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OnBaseMachine
08-05-2008, 12:37 PM
Louisville - 7:05 - Bobby Livingston

Chattanooga - 8:05 - Camilo Vazquez

Sarasota - 7:00

Dayton - 7:00

Billings - 9:05 - Andrew Bowman

The GCL Reds play at 12:00

The DSL Reds played at 10:30

AmarilloRed
08-05-2008, 01:59 PM
Matthew Klinker is the Sarasota starter.

OnBaseMachine
08-05-2008, 05:49 PM
The GCL Reds lost 6-2.

Pimentel: 2-for-5
Oliveras: 1-for-5
Coddington: 1-for-3 walk
Lutz: 0-for-3 walk
Vazquez: 2-for-4
Bowe: 2-for-4

Chiu: 2 IP, 4 H, 1 ER, 0 BB, 0 K

Rodriguez: 1 IP, 0 H, 0 R, 1 BB, 0 K

OnBaseMachine
08-05-2008, 06:59 PM
Jeremy Horst is starting for Dayton.

OnBaseMachine
08-05-2008, 06:59 PM
Neftali Soto is playing SS for Dayton tonight btw.

OnBaseMachine
08-05-2008, 07:15 PM
Livingston throws a scoreless first inning.

1 IP, 1 H, 0 R, 0 BB, 1 K

OnBaseMachine
08-05-2008, 07:25 PM
Louisville takes a 2-0 lead in the first inning on Rosales' 26th double and Kevin Barker's 16th homerun.

OnBaseMachine
08-05-2008, 07:28 PM
Dayton is scoreless in the 2nd.

Horst: 2 IP, 1 H, 0 R, 0 BB, 2 K

Soto is 1-for-1.

OnBaseMachine
08-05-2008, 07:37 PM
Mesoraco walked in his first PA.

OnBaseMachine
08-05-2008, 07:45 PM
Livingston: 3 IP, 1 H, 0 R, 1 BB, 2 K

OnBaseMachine
08-05-2008, 07:47 PM
Horst: 3 IP, 2 H, 0 R, 0 BB, 2 K

CTA513
08-05-2008, 07:55 PM
Does anyone think Rosales might get called up later this season when the rosters expand?

He's been hitting around .300 for the last 2 months and is off to a good start this month.

OnBaseMachine
08-05-2008, 07:57 PM
Does anyone think Rosales might get called up later this season when the rosters expand?

He's been hitting around .300 for the last 2 months and is off to a good start this month.

I sure hope so. He's 2-for-2 tonight with a double.

Drew Anderson just doubled in two runs, 4-0 Louisville in the third inning.

OnBaseMachine
08-05-2008, 08:12 PM
Horst: 4 IP, 3 H, 0 R, 0 BB, 4 K

Game is still scoreless.

OnBaseMachine
08-05-2008, 08:16 PM
Livingston: 4 IP, 2 H, 2 R, 2 BB, 3 K

OnBaseMachine
08-05-2008, 08:31 PM
Horst's final line: 5 IP, 6 H, 1 R, 0 BB, 6 K

Dayton trails 1-0 after 5.

OnBaseMachine
08-05-2008, 08:37 PM
Chattanooga put up a six run first inning.

Henry: 0-for-1 walk, SB
Stubbs: 1-for-1 double
Dorn: 0-for-1 walk
Valaika: 0-for-1
Turner: 1-for-1
Eymann: 1-for-1 homerun (#6), 3 RBI

crazyredfan40
08-05-2008, 08:41 PM
Stubbs in the 2 hole is interesting to me...

OnBaseMachine
08-05-2008, 08:46 PM
Livingston: 6 IP, 4 H, 4 R, 2 BB, 5 K

5-4 Louisville after 6.

crazyredfan40
08-05-2008, 08:47 PM
Livingston with 6IP 4H 4ER 2BB 5Ks

What has killed him is the 2HR he has given up...

Louisville is up 5-4...

Rosales 2-3 double
Dickerson 1-3 BB

OnBaseMachine
08-05-2008, 08:57 PM
Livingston retires the first batter in the 7th but then allows a one out single and is replaced by Josh Roenicke.

Roenicke allows a groundball single to LF.

Next batter K's on three pitches. Two outs.

Next batter flies out.

5-4 Bats after 6 1/2.

Livingston's final line: 6.1 IP, 5 H, 4 R, 2 BB, 5 K

Roenicke: 0.2 IP, 1 H, 0 R, 0 BB, 1 K

OnBaseMachine
08-05-2008, 09:00 PM
Rosales singles to begin the 7th, Rosales is 3-for-4 with a double.

OnBaseMachine
08-05-2008, 09:01 PM
Dayton is now winning 2-1 after 6 1/2 on a Jason Bour 2-run homerun.

redhawk61
08-05-2008, 09:02 PM
Chatt up 8-0 Stubbs 2-3 2 RBI

OnBaseMachine
08-05-2008, 09:13 PM
Sarasota trails 4-3 after seven inning.

Francisco has hit his 16th homerun.

OnBaseMachine
08-05-2008, 09:17 PM
Louisville adds three insurance runs in the 7th on a Anderson RBI triple and Boliver 2-run single.

8-4 after 7.

OnBaseMachine
08-05-2008, 09:23 PM
Aguido Gonzalez continues his dominance with a 1-2-3 8th inning for Dayton.

2-1 Dayton.

Soto is 2-for-4 with a double.

OnBaseMachine
08-05-2008, 09:28 PM
Rick Sweet pulls a head scratcher. The Mud Hens have three lefties in a row coming up so instead of bringing in Herrera, he leaves Roenicke in who allows a 2-run homerun to Larish to make it 8-6...and now he brings in Herrera to face the right handed portion of the lineup.

OnBaseMachine
08-05-2008, 09:31 PM
Dayton won 2-1.

Soto: 2-for-4 double
Waring: 1-for-4 double
Mesoraco: 0-for-3 walk
Bour: 2-for-3 double, homerun (#5)

Horst: 5 IP, 6 H, 1 R, 0 BB, 6 K

Partch: 2 IP, 1 H, 0 R, 1 BB, 2 K

Gonzalez: 2 IP, 0 H, 0 R, 0 BB, 0 K...26 IP of ER ball this season

OnBaseMachine
08-05-2008, 09:33 PM
Herrera goes 1-2-3 with 2 K's.

crazyredfan40
08-05-2008, 09:34 PM
Nice to see the Lookouts offense wakeup...

OnBaseMachine
08-05-2008, 09:34 PM
Sarasota trails 4-3 after 8.

OnBaseMachine
08-05-2008, 09:37 PM
Sarasota lost 4-3.

Castro: 1-for-3 walk, HBP
Heisey: 1-for-4 HBP
Francisco: 2-for-5 solo HR (#16)
Frazier: 1-for-5
Parker: 1-for-5
Perales: 3-for-4

Klinker: 5 IP, 10 H, 4 R, 4 BB, 2 K

Valiquette: 2 IP, 1 H, 0 R, 2 BB, 0 K

Young: 1 IP, 1 H, 0 R, 0 BB, 0 K

CTA513
08-05-2008, 09:39 PM
Rosales now 4-5 after he homered in the 8th

OnBaseMachine
08-05-2008, 09:39 PM
Adam Rosales hits a solo homerun in the 8th to make it 9-6 Louisville. Rosales is 4-for-5 with his 9th homerun and 26th double.

OnBaseMachine
08-05-2008, 09:46 PM
Colina sac fly with the bases loaded makes it 10-6 Bats in the 8th.

OnBaseMachine
08-05-2008, 09:46 PM
Stubbs doubles again, he's 3-for-4 with two doubles. 10-3 Chattanooga in the 5th.

dougdirt
08-05-2008, 09:50 PM
Stubbs doubles again, he's 3-for-4 with two doubles. 10-3 Chattanooga in the 5th.

Guess those AA pitchers haven't quite figured him out yet. :thumbup:

OnBaseMachine
08-05-2008, 09:52 PM
Billings trails 1-0 after 2 1/2.

OnBaseMachine
08-05-2008, 10:00 PM
Louisville won 10-8.

Dickerson: 1-for-4 walk
Richar: 1-for-5
Rosales: 4-for-5 double, homerun (#9)
Barker: 2-for-4 homerun (#16), walk
Anderson: 3-for-5 double, triple, 3 RBI
Cumberland: 0-for-4 walk

Livingston: 6.1 IP, 5 H, 4 R, 2 BB, 5 K

Roenicke: 0.2 IP, 3 H, 2 R, 0 BB, 1 K

Herrera: 1 IP, 0 H, 0 R, 0 BB, 2 K

Adkins: 1 IP, 2 H, 2 R, 0 BB, 1 K

OnBaseMachine
08-05-2008, 10:02 PM
Chattanooga is winning 11-3 after five innings.

Henry: 0-for-3 walk, SB
Stubbs: 3-for-4 two doubles
Dorn: 1-for-3 walk
Gutierrez: 1-for-4
Valaika: 2-for-4
Tatum: 2-for-3
Eymann: 2-for-3 homerun (#6), 3 RBI
Anderson: 3-for-3 double, homerun (# 5),

klw
08-05-2008, 10:03 PM
Rick Sweet pulls a head scratcher. The Mud Hens have three lefties in a row coming up so instead of bringing in Herrera, he leaves Roenicke in who allows a 2-run homerun to Larish to make it 8-6...and now he brings in Herrera to face the right handed portion of the lineup.

Now Roenicke is prepared to be called up and misused in the Reds pen.

OnBaseMachine
08-05-2008, 10:05 PM
The DSL Reds won 5-1.

Duran: 1-for-3 walk
Rodriguez: 4-for-4 double
Candelario: 1-for-4

Juan Aquino: 5 IP, 4 H, 1 R, 0 BB, 7 K

OnBaseMachine
08-05-2008, 10:06 PM
Billings takes a 2-1 lead in the 4th on a Mendez 2-run single.

BigRed07
08-05-2008, 10:15 PM
Chattanooga seems to have found the bat rack tonight. 16 hits thru 6 innings. Every player in the line up has a knock but Henry. Anderson is 4-4 with a bomb
and is having a great night.

mace
08-05-2008, 10:36 PM
Rick Sweet pulls a head scratcher. The Mud Hens have three lefties in a row coming up so instead of bringing in Herrera, he leaves Roenicke in who allows a 2-run homerun to Larish to make it 8-6...and now he brings in Herrera to face the right handed portion of the lineup.

It seems reasonable that they'd want to see how Roenicke fares against lefties, and to get him work in that area. If he's going to be more than a 1-batter specialist for the Reds, he'll need to be proficient in that way. I suspect that minor-league managers make a lot of moves that aren't viable in the context of winning the game but are rather designed to develop the player.

BigRed07
08-05-2008, 10:49 PM
Anderson is 5-5. Looks have pounded out 20 hits so far.

Xavier Redleg
08-05-2008, 11:50 PM
I was looking at the GCL roster and noticed that Shea Snowden is currently suspended. Anyone know anything. Hopefully it's just a few games suspension because of behavior and not substance or PED related.

OnBaseMachine
08-06-2008, 12:53 AM
It seems reasonable that they'd want to see how Roenicke fares against lefties, and to get him work in that area. If he's going to be more than a 1-batter specialist for the Reds, he'll need to be proficient in that way. I suspect that minor-league managers make a lot of moves that aren't viable in the context of winning the game but are rather designed to develop the player.

Roenicke has showed he can handle lefties but I was a bit surprised to see him not go the traditional way and bring in the lefty.

OnBaseMachine
08-06-2008, 12:55 AM
Chattanooga won 12-6.

Henry: 0-for-4 walk, SB
Stubbs: 3-for-6 two doubles
Dorn: 1-for-5 walk
Gutierrez: 3-for-6
Valaika: 2-for-6
Turner: 2-for-5
Tatum: 2-for-5
Eymann: 2-for-4 homerun (#6), walk, 3 RBI
Anderson: 5-for-5 double, homerun (#5)

Watson: 1.2 IP, 0 H, 0 R, 1 BB, 2 K

OnBaseMachine
08-06-2008, 12:57 AM
Billings won 7-5.

Puckett: 1-for-5 double
Sappelt: 1-for-4 walk
Brown: 1-for-5 SB
Wiley: 2-for-4 double, walk, SB
Wideman: 2-for-3 walk

Bowman: 5 IP, 3 H, 1 R, 5 BB, 6 K

TRF
08-06-2008, 09:02 AM
Guess those AA pitchers haven't quite figured him out yet. :thumbup:

I think perhaps he MIGHT be figuring out AA pitchers. they sure had his number for 3 weeks.

Honestly doug, EVERYONE on this board hopes you are right about Stubbs. The data says you are wrong, but we all hope otherwise.

That said, he's finally bumped his OPS after his first AA game over .700, and he's had a nice run over the last 4-5 games. Progress I suppose.

But he's hardly the .900+ OPS beast you were predicting when he was in Billings. Right now while everyone seems to want his comp to be Mike Cameron, I see his comp as Chris Dickerson. Very similar players. Plus defense, Stubbs has the better OBP, Dickerson more power. Both will likely not see the major leagues for any extended time until age 26-27. That may not be the worst thing in the world, but in Stubbs' case it is due to his draft slot.

princeton
08-06-2008, 09:10 AM
It seems reasonable that they'd want to see how Roenicke fares against lefties, and to get him work in that area. If he's going to be more than a 1-batter specialist for the Reds, he'll need to be proficient in that way. I suspect that minor-league managers make a lot of moves that aren't viable in the context of winning the game but are rather designed to develop the player.


in a smart organization, what you say is true. but that's not what I usually observe. I often see guys that are in the minors because they struggle against lefties put on the bench against lefties.

the flip side to all of this is that Herrera did well. It's tough for managers to give chances to young pitchers that don't throw hard, but Herrera looks like a good one. Reds could use a lefty

dougdirt
08-06-2008, 12:15 PM
I think perhaps he MIGHT be figuring out AA pitchers. they sure had his number for 3 weeks.

Honestly doug, EVERYONE on this board hopes you are right about Stubbs. The data says you are wrong, but we all hope otherwise.

That said, he's finally bumped his OPS after his first AA game over .700, and he's had a nice run over the last 4-5 games. Progress I suppose.

But he's hardly the .900+ OPS beast you were predicting when he was in Billings. Right now while everyone seems to want his comp to be Mike Cameron, I see his comp as Chris Dickerson. Very similar players. Plus defense, Stubbs has the better OBP, Dickerson more power. Both will likely not see the major leagues for any extended time until age 26-27. That may not be the worst thing in the world, but in Stubbs' case it is due to his draft slot.

No data says I am wrong. If he keeps doing what he has been doing all year long, he will be fine in the majors. Thats what I have said all year and I will continue to say it, because its right. I think its a bit crazy to suggest that Stubbs won't see the majors for an extended period of time for 3-4 more years when he is currently sitting in AA.

We are again seeing some slight improvement to Drews game. Its early, but again he has a lower strikeout rate through 87 PA in AA than he had in A+. His walk rate is down though, but his hit rate is up. I will always make that trade off.

So long as he continues what he is doing, he will be fine. If he continues making improvements, fantastic, because he will be even better.

OnBaseMachine
08-06-2008, 12:26 PM
What are the odds of this turning into a 5+ page thread?;)

redhawk61
08-06-2008, 01:52 PM
do you think Stubbs, unless he completely falls apart, starts next year at LOU?

Redman15
08-06-2008, 02:27 PM
That depends on where Dickerson starts the season at.

dougdirt
08-06-2008, 02:50 PM
do you think Stubbs, unless he completely falls apart, starts next year at LOU?

Not too sure really. I think that is more an issue of how he does in spring training honestly.

TRF
08-06-2008, 07:15 PM
doug, he didn't improve his game at Sarasota, it got progressively worse. His play didn't warrant promotion. his draft slot got him that promotion.

dougdirt
08-06-2008, 07:20 PM
doug, he didn't improve his game at Sarasota, it got progressively worse. His play didn't warrant promotion. his draft slot got him that promotion.

Thats a silly notion. Strikeout rate dropped from the level before, walk rate went up from the level before and his line drive rate went up from the level before. Thats improvement if I have ever seen it. And an injury actually got him the promotion.

Kc61
08-06-2008, 10:41 PM
I wonder if we're seeing a change of approach at the plate by Stubbs. He's striking out less, 17 Ks in 76 at bats, at AA. He's hitting for a higher average. Yet a low SLG, less power than in previous years. Could he be focusing more on contact and spraying the ball around? Or maybe it's just a small sample size. In any event, he seems to be hitting and getting on base consistently so far at AA. Ok with me, I'm not concerned with power hitting from Stubbs.

TRF
08-07-2008, 08:54 AM
he didn't show in season improvement. His OBP dropped from April to May to a pedestrian level. didn't improve much in June. His power completely dried up in those two months. If there was a player that deserved promotion because he SHOWED he could handle pitching at a higher level, it was Todd Frazier.

TRF
08-07-2008, 08:56 AM
I wonder if we're seeing a change of approach at the plate by Stubbs. He's striking out less, 17 Ks in 76 at bats, at AA. He's hitting for a higher average. Yet a low SLG, less power than in previous years. Could he be focusing more on contact and spraying the ball around? Or maybe it's just a small sample size. In any event, he seems to be hitting and getting on base consistently so far at AA. Ok with me, I'm not concerned with power hitting from Stubbs.

I'd say sample as the three weeks prior to this last week, he hadn't hit squat.

I think his stats for August will be far more telling about Stubbs in AA than July. July has to taken as an adjustment period. I'll give him that much.

dougdirt
08-07-2008, 11:58 AM
In season improvement? Its a LONG season. His April was the best so far, his July was the second best. His overall game has shown improvement from last year. I think you are reaching a lot on this one TRF.

TRF
08-07-2008, 03:09 PM
the data for July is unreliable as it contains info from two levels. I give Stubbs a pass on July (which for the most part kinda sucked) as it is an adjustment period. May and June weren't bad, they were atrocious. And that is NOT reaching.

Most of July in AA past his first game, he was awful, but that was him adjusting to better pitching. This first week in August has been a bit better, He's made an adjustment. I'm interested in the end of August when his book in AA is known by opposing pitching coaches. We saw what happened in May when his book was established. He was completely overmatched at the plate. It wasn't bad luck, not for 180 AB's it wasn't.

I think he's got a long road to the majors UNLESS he's forced up the ladder. He obviously would have lost all value had he stayed in Sarasota, do this bump might help him. I hope it does.

dougdirt
08-07-2008, 08:32 PM
Go Drew Stubbs.

TRF
08-08-2008, 12:08 AM
Go Drew Stubbs.

And take Corey Patterson with you.

couldn't resist. :)