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Red in Chicago
08-05-2008, 07:49 PM
please post lineup

CTA513
08-05-2008, 07:53 PM
Reds
1. Keppinger SS
2. Votto 1B
3. Bruce RF
4. Phillips 2B
5. Dunn LF
6. Encarnacion 3B
7. Patterson CF
8. Bako C
9. Volquez P


Brewers
1. Durham 2B
2. Hardy SS
3. Braun LF
4. Fielder 1B
5. Hart RF
6. Counsell 3B
7. Cameron CF
8. Kendall C
9. Bush P

NC Reds
08-05-2008, 08:11 PM
Dead Horse Alert - Please cut Corey Patterson. Baker will play his adopted son until you take him away.

nate
08-05-2008, 08:13 PM
Smooth play by EE to Votto. 2 down.

CTA513
08-05-2008, 08:18 PM
The Reds need a good center fielder.

NC Reds
08-05-2008, 08:20 PM
Let Dickerson get his cup of coffee rather than play Patterson, who clearly should be in AAA somewhere.

OnBaseMachine
08-05-2008, 08:21 PM
Goodness. Volquez retired the first two batters on 5 pitches and then allowed a double, intentionally walked Fielder, and Hart hit a 2-run triple. 2-0 Brewers after 1/2 inning. Reds pitchers can never get that third out. It looked like Volquez was going to breeze through that inning.

OnBaseMachine
08-05-2008, 08:23 PM
The Reds strategies never work, or so it seems. Everytime they put a shift on the batter seems to beat it and then they intentionally walk Fielder in the first inning and it comes back to bite them.

NC Reds
08-05-2008, 08:29 PM
Phillips gets bailed out there by Hardy. C'mon Adam!

OnBaseMachine
08-05-2008, 08:29 PM
Why in the world does Phillips continue to bat 4th?!?

He was ahead 1-0 and swung at two straight pitches two inches off the ground and should have grounded into a DP if not for a bobble by Hardy.

flyer85
08-05-2008, 08:29 PM
a gift as the SS bobbles a sure DP off the bat of BP

BTW, none of the three pitches to BP was a strike

OnBaseMachine
08-05-2008, 08:30 PM
Dunn HBP to load the bases for EdE.

NC Reds
08-05-2008, 08:32 PM
Great slide by EdE.

OnBaseMachine
08-05-2008, 08:33 PM
Counsell saves a 3-run double but EdE beats the throw for a RBI single. 2-1 still loaded for Patterson.

NC Reds
08-05-2008, 08:34 PM
Why throw Corey a strike? He swings regardless.

OnBaseMachine
08-05-2008, 08:34 PM
And of course Patterson swings at a first pitch fastball a foot high and a foot outside and flies out. Good grief. Yeah, Chris Dickerson couldn't do a better job than that.

Blitz Dorsey
08-05-2008, 08:34 PM
I couldn't even begin to tell you how much I despise Corey Patterson. OK, I guess I could begin to tell you.

CTA513
08-05-2008, 08:35 PM
Everyone should have already expected him to do that.

Blitz Dorsey
08-05-2008, 08:36 PM
BTW, Corey could have gone after what turned out to be a triple for Hart a little harder. He pulled up on that ball. Uh, Corey, don't worry about protecting your body pal. Go all out. I think the Reds will be OK in the event you happen to get hurt. Well, maybe not OK, but they won't miss you.

NC Reds
08-05-2008, 08:38 PM
There is something fundamentally unserious about any organization that gives Corey Patterson this many at bats.

Blitz Dorsey
08-05-2008, 08:38 PM
I'm thinking someone like Aaron Rowand wouldn't have pulled up on that ball. But then again, we're supposed to be believe the horribly-hitting Patterson is on the team due to his excellent glove. LOL.

CTA513
08-05-2008, 08:40 PM
I'm thinking someone like Aaron Rowand wouldn't have pulled up on that ball. But then again, we're supposed to be believe the horribly-hitting Patterson is on the team due to his excellent glove. LOL.

:beerme:

OnBaseMachine
08-05-2008, 08:42 PM
Volquez K's Cameron and Kendall and gets Bush to ground out.

OnBaseMachine
08-05-2008, 08:56 PM
Volquez allows a lead off single in the third but gets Hardy to GIDP. He fooled Braun on two changeups and then threw him a fastball and he lines a single to LF.

OnBaseMachine
08-05-2008, 08:59 PM
Fielder grounded out. 2-1 Brewers after 2 1/2 with Votto/Bruce/Phillips due up.

CTA513
08-05-2008, 09:02 PM
Already two quick outs on 4 pitches to start the inning.

Red in Chicago
08-05-2008, 09:02 PM
why are they talking to this guy from north carolina:confused:

OnBaseMachine
08-05-2008, 09:04 PM
A 1-2-3 third inning for Bush.

NC Reds
08-05-2008, 09:05 PM
why are they talking to this guy from north carolina:confused:

Lack of Reds offense.

When I was a kid, there was a poll taken in a Raleigh paper that indicated the Reds were the most popular team in the circulation area. This was back when the Braves were horrible. Once Atlanta started to win their bandwagon filled up quickly.

There are still some good Reds fans in this state. :thumbup:

jesusfan
08-05-2008, 09:05 PM
why are they talking to this guy from north carolina:confused:

He requested that he meet Jim Day before the game when he saw Thom....Both are from North Carolina I assume... I think it is a very classy thing to do by Jim and Thom...

CTA513
08-05-2008, 09:05 PM
A 1-2-3 third inning for Bush.

He should start rolling pitches up to the plate and see if the Reds hitters will swing at them.

OnBaseMachine
08-05-2008, 09:06 PM
Thom just hooked that guy up with free tickets for tomorrow's game.

NC Reds
08-05-2008, 09:07 PM
Corey refuses to crash into that wall.

jesusfan
08-05-2008, 09:08 PM
Patterson played that one much better... However, I think he still could've caught it... jump into a wall sometime...

OnBaseMachine
08-05-2008, 09:08 PM
What a frustrating pitching staff. Volquez had Hart 0-2, made him look awful on the previous changeup, so what does Bako call for? A 0-2 curveball, his third best pitch and Hart hammers it off the wall. The quicker these three catchers are the gone the better.

Blitz Dorsey
08-05-2008, 09:09 PM
So in addition to being a horrible hitter he's a whimp. It just keeps getting better with C-Patt.

CTA513
08-05-2008, 09:10 PM
Corey refuses to crash into that wall.

The thing I liked about Freel is he was willing to try and catch those balls that Patterson is playing off the wall.

OnBaseMachine
08-05-2008, 09:11 PM
Groundout moves the runner to third with one out. I still don't understand throwing the 0-2 curveball. A changeup probably K's him.

jesusfan
08-05-2008, 09:12 PM
Cameron RBI single... 3-1

jesusfan
08-05-2008, 09:13 PM
my goodness Bako... my grandma could steal off of you!

NC Reds
08-05-2008, 09:14 PM
Does Bako lack opposable thumbs?

Blitz Dorsey
08-05-2008, 09:17 PM
Volquez can throw the fastball up to 95, 96... the Brewers are sitting on nothing but soft stuff... and what does Volquez throw every time he gets 2 strikes? A change or curve. Amazing. Call off Bako if you're not comfortable. You're an All-Star pitcher. He's not an All-Star catcher.

CTA513
08-05-2008, 09:17 PM
I hope Walt is watching tonights game.

jesusfan
08-05-2008, 09:20 PM
2 more for the Brew... 4-1 Brewers...

jesusfan
08-05-2008, 09:21 PM
I hope Walt is watching tonights game.

considering he is the GM I hope he is too... :thumbup:

Reds/Flyers Fan
08-05-2008, 09:21 PM
Anyone still want to see EV run out there every 5 days? At this rate he's going to be a .500 pitcher by the end of the year.

jesusfan
08-05-2008, 09:23 PM
1 pitch, 1 out... Is it just me, or was he wild early?

CTA513
08-05-2008, 09:24 PM
1 pitch, 1 out... Is it just me, or was he wild early?

Its what these hackers do.

jesusfan
08-05-2008, 09:24 PM
Edwin K's looking... 2 down

jesusfan
08-05-2008, 09:25 PM
Corey K's... boo that man... boooooo!

NC Reds
08-05-2008, 09:25 PM
Corey swings at one at his head and gets booed for his trouble. He deserves heckling.

OnBaseMachine
08-05-2008, 09:26 PM
Patterson K's on a pitch that nearly hit an airplane flying overhead.

4-1 Brewers after 4.

WVRedsFan
08-05-2008, 09:26 PM
This offense is pitiful. I knew this would happen. If Dunn leaves, it will be worse.

CTA513
08-05-2008, 09:27 PM
Bush with another quick inning.

jesusfan
08-05-2008, 09:28 PM
This is becoming a joke... Is it really that hard to realize Corey Patterson stinks? I mean c'mon, even in little league baseball the coach tries to find a way to play the worst player the least... Is it that much to ask?? Bring up Dickerson and let him play center every night until Hairston is back... see what the guy can do! It's just really frustrating to sit here in my house and feel like I can realize something before an MLB front office can!

_Sir_Charles_
08-05-2008, 09:28 PM
I'm stunned he's still up here. Flat out stunned. Once Jocketty made the decision to send him down to Louisville they only brought him up due to injuries. Why is he still here? Why?

I know everybody praised us getting Jocketty....but I sure as hell haven't seen anything worth praising so far.

CTA513
08-05-2008, 09:31 PM
The Reds hitters had a 8 pitch inning... Hardy just had a 7 pitch at bat to start the inning.

flyer85
08-05-2008, 09:32 PM
take him out

mbgrayson
08-05-2008, 09:33 PM
Couldn't agree more on getting Dickerson up. At this point in the year, let the young guys play. Let Homer pitch. Let Volquez learn from his mistakes. Let Matt Maloney get a chance.

Giving ABs to Patterson or starts to Fogg does nothing to get ready for 2009.

jesusfan
08-05-2008, 09:33 PM
Bako is gonna get ran...

CTA513
08-05-2008, 09:34 PM
take him out

That won't happen unless he gives up some more runs this inning, which is a good possibility.

OnBaseMachine
08-05-2008, 09:34 PM
This is hilarios. Hardy singles on a 2-2 slider and Braun singles on a 0-2 slider. That is funny stuff. Bako is calling for his 4th best pitch? No wonder this team is so bad.

jesusfan
08-05-2008, 09:35 PM
It would be different if Patterson had a future, but he doesn't... Dickerson and Cumberland are two guys that could possibly blossom into good everyday players, at the very least, they will help you out on the bench... It's just mind boggling...

VR
08-05-2008, 09:36 PM
Volquez can throw the fastball up to 95, 96... the Brewers are sitting on nothing but soft stuff... and what does Volquez throw every time he gets 2 strikes? A change or curve. Amazing. Call off Bako if you're not comfortable. You're an All-Star pitcher. He's not an All-Star catcher.

This is where you are completely off base. The only reason EV had success early this year was because Bako was his personal catcher. The reasons for EV's struggles lately are EV's fault, because Bako is a savvy vet that came to Cincy only because the Duster can attract quality talent to Cincy.

Don't let the 10 teams in 10 years, or being 36 years old, or 2008 being the 3rd most games he's played in a year in his career (and it's only August), or his .420 OPS over the last 3 months fool you......this man is critical to the success of the Reds, and should be getting most of the workload.

pffffft.

_Sir_Charles_
08-05-2008, 09:36 PM
Bako is gonna get ran...

Off the club? Don't get my hopes up. I personally want to see a catching mass exodus.

*starts chanting*
Dickerson, Hannigan, Roenicke & Herrera....
Dickerson, Hannigan, Roenicke & Herrera....
Dickerson, Hannigan, Roenicke & Herrera....
*prays Walt has his hearing aids in*

WVRedsFan
08-05-2008, 09:36 PM
It's more than Patterson, guys. This team has managed 6 hits in 14 innings of baseball. No one's hitting and haven't for some time. Patterson is a waste, but at the plate, almost everyone else is too.

jesusfan
08-05-2008, 09:37 PM
In a weird kind of way I wish the reds would show some fire in the dugout like the Brewers did last night... That is called passion, I know it's kind of stupid, but passion and fire is what fuels the desire to WIN!

CTA513
08-05-2008, 09:39 PM
Sac fly on a 1-2 curve

5-1 Brewers

jesusfan
08-05-2008, 09:39 PM
Off the club? Don't get my hopes up. I personally want to see a catching mass exodus.

*starts chanting*
Dickerson, Hannigan, Roenicke & Herrera....
Dickerson, Hannigan, Roenicke & Herrera....
Dickerson, Hannigan, Roenicke & Herrera....
*prays Walt has his hearing aids in*

Tomorrow's transactions if I were GM....

Dickerson up, Patterson home
Hanigan up, Bako home
Roenicke up, Majewski home

Give Herrera until September, he'll come up when rosters expand...

I see no reason for having Patterson, Bako, and Majewski on this team...

Red in Chicago
08-05-2008, 09:41 PM
junior's due up third after the commercial break...cell debut

mbgrayson
08-05-2008, 09:41 PM
Here is the problem: I remember last year when there was a sac fly to medium center, that Hamilton not only tried to throw the ball home, he got several guys out on fly balls about as deep as the one Patterson just lobbed back in to second base. Not even trying bugs me...

jesusfan
08-05-2008, 09:43 PM
by the way... I love these two quotes and the mind-set from Ned Yost about last nights Brew haha in the dugout... I wish we had more players like that....

"I just don't want cookie-cutter players," Yost said. "I want guys that compete. I want guys that play with fire and passion. And sometimes when you do, things like that happen.

"I'd much rather deal with this than a bunch of guys sitting on the bench getting their butts kicked every day and not caring about it, to be honest with you."

OnBaseMachine
08-05-2008, 09:45 PM
Bako K's on a pitch that bounced a foot in front of the plate. Brutal, just brutal. Patterson and Bako should have been gone a long time ago.

VR
08-05-2008, 09:46 PM
Here is the problem: I remember last year when there was a sac fly to medium center, that Hamilton not only tried to throw the ball home, he got several guys out on fly balls about as deep as the one Patterson just lobbed back in to second base. Not even trying bugs me...

Speaking of, Hammy with a two run jack in the 1st of Petitte.

First inning homeruns. Anyone remember those?


Bako, wow.

CTA513
08-05-2008, 09:46 PM
6 pitches into the inning and already 2 outs

Red in Chicago
08-05-2008, 09:47 PM
nice ovation for grif

CTA513
08-05-2008, 09:48 PM
Another easy inning for Bush

VR
08-05-2008, 09:48 PM
Bako K's on a pitch that bounced a foot in front of the plate. Brutal, just brutal. Patterson and Bako should have been gone a long time ago.

Dusty should be arrested for continuing to play these guys. I'm only half kidding....it just defies any sense of reason at all.

OnBaseMachine
08-05-2008, 09:48 PM
The Reds last baserunner was the EdE infield single in the first inning.

NC Reds
08-05-2008, 09:50 PM
Bring up some young guys with something to prove. Enough of these untalented retreads.

Playing for Dusty Baker in Chicago should not be a resume enhancer.

Red in Chicago
08-05-2008, 09:51 PM
wow, there is just too much interaction with this north carolina guy...i just don't get it...tonight's broadcast is approaching new lows...

CTA513
08-05-2008, 09:51 PM
Bring up some young guys with something to prove. Enough of these untalented retreads.

Playing for Dusty Baker in Chicago should not be a resume enhancer.

Nah, we need to keep watching these guys for the reason of the season to see if we should keep them or not.

:all_cohol

CTA513
08-05-2008, 09:53 PM
Masset with a 1-2-3 inning for the Reds

WVRedsFan
08-05-2008, 09:55 PM
Last 40 innings...17 runs and 25 hits (4 errors) while the opposition has 27 runs and 54 hits (1 error). We have morphed into maybe the worst offense in the National League.

NC Reds
08-05-2008, 09:58 PM
The announcers are enamored with Dave Bush, but there are three near-automatic outs at the bottom of the lineup. That helps too.

OnBaseMachine
08-05-2008, 09:58 PM
It must be fun pitching against the Reds offense.

NC Reds
08-05-2008, 09:58 PM
I'm including the pitcher's spot.

CTA513
08-05-2008, 09:58 PM
15 straight retired for Bush.

Bush is at 66 pitches with 2 outs in the 6th inning.

mbgrayson
08-05-2008, 09:59 PM
That is fifteen Reds out in a row after Jay Bruce Ks on a high fastball....Maybe 91 mph?

NC Reds
08-05-2008, 10:01 PM
Jacoby and Pole should not be brought back. I would just assume Dusty go with them.

We would have a better record with Mackanin as manager.

VR
08-05-2008, 10:03 PM
Reds OPS leaders.

Paul Bako .633
Br. Arroyo .630
Patterson .561

:ughmamoru

OnBaseMachine
08-05-2008, 10:04 PM
Nice catch by Patterson.

The Reds are giving that family from NC four Diamond Seats for tomorrow's game.

CTA513
08-05-2008, 10:05 PM
Bush threw 24 pitches in the 1st inning and has thrown 47 pitches over the last 5 innings.

jesusfan
08-05-2008, 10:07 PM
Masset could help this team out... I like his stuff... of course many reds pitchers have had good stuff only to see it ruined.. But, he could help out..

guttle11
08-05-2008, 10:07 PM
I have to be honest, I'm far more interested in that family than the game.

Good stuff from the Reds, even if TV is brutally overdoing it. Showing the guy stuffing his face with a cheese coney. That probably isn't necessary.

jesusfan
08-05-2008, 10:07 PM
Masset!!! woo.. I like that...

NC Reds
08-05-2008, 10:07 PM
That's for Manny says Masset.

MasonBuzz3
08-05-2008, 10:08 PM
masset must be tight with manny parra, back to back up-and-in to Fielder

CTA513
08-05-2008, 10:09 PM
Masset is officially a Reds pitcher.

guttle11
08-05-2008, 10:09 PM
Nice catch by the fan. Now he'll probably throw it back, leaving only a purple mark with laces for his effort.

VR
08-05-2008, 10:09 PM
"that's what you get for pitching inside" MB

Huh?

MasonBuzz3
08-05-2008, 10:10 PM
watching prince fielder trot down the 3rd baseline is bringing back memories of the opening credits from baywatch

NC Reds
08-05-2008, 10:15 PM
Wow, a baserunner for Corey.

OnBaseMachine
08-05-2008, 10:15 PM
Woohoo! A baserunner. A throwing error on Bush ends the streak of 17 in a row retired.

NC Reds
08-05-2008, 10:16 PM
Corey with a flukish double.

edabbs44
08-05-2008, 10:16 PM
This offense is pitiful. I knew this would happen. If Dunn leaves, it will be worse.


Last 40 innings...17 runs and 25 hits (4 errors) while the opposition has 27 runs and 54 hits (1 error). We have morphed into maybe the worst offense in the National League.

Worser than the worstest? :)

But that is why Dunn should have been traded...having him on this team, without serious talent infusions guaranteed to be taking place, is just a waste of talent and money. If you aren't going to get serious about improving the roster, then don't bring him back.

OnBaseMachine
08-05-2008, 10:18 PM
2nd and 3rd with one out, and Bako of course K's on a pitch in the dirt.

OnBaseMachine
08-05-2008, 10:19 PM
Hairston pinch hitting. Why didn't he PH for Bako?

oneupper
08-05-2008, 10:20 PM
Hairston pinch hitting. Why didn't he PH for Bako?

Doubly Stupid IMO...now you can't back date him on the DL if he's not right.

OnBaseMachine
08-05-2008, 10:21 PM
Hairston walks. Bases loaded for Keppinger.

NC Reds
08-05-2008, 10:21 PM
Hairston pinch hitting. Why didn't he PH for Bako?

Good question.

Keppinger needs to get a big hit here.

CTA513
08-05-2008, 10:22 PM
2nd and 3rd with one out, and Bako of course K's on a pitch in the dirt.

Hes up to 72 Ks in 235 at bats this season.

He would lead this team in K's if he played everyday.

guttle11
08-05-2008, 10:23 PM
watching prince fielder trot down the 3rd baseline is bringing back memories of the opening credits from baywatch

Vegetarian + professional athlete = all of that?

Pythagoras is dead.

OnBaseMachine
08-05-2008, 10:23 PM
Ah yes, the famous weak groundout by Keppinger.

Spring~Fields
08-05-2008, 10:35 PM
Last 40 innings...17 runs and 25 hits (4 errors) while the opposition has 27 runs and 54 hits (1 error). We have morphed into maybe the worst offense in the National League.

The team has gone to pot. Especially the cleanup batter.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/teams/batting?team=cin&season=2008&seasonType=2&split=61&cat=avg&order=true&type=reg

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/teams/batting?team=cin&cat=avg&order=false&season=2008&split=44&seasonType=2&type=reg

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/teams/batting?team=cin&cat=avg&order=false&season=2008&split=43&seasonType=2&type=reg

OnBaseMachine
08-05-2008, 10:38 PM
Bruce ropes a single to RF against Shouse to extend his hitting streak to nine games.

NC Reds
08-05-2008, 10:50 PM
Wow. This is a short game thread. Everyone must be watching the Sexual Harassment Panda episode of South Park. :)

OnBaseMachine
08-05-2008, 11:03 PM
Reds lost 8-1.

WVRedsFan
08-06-2008, 12:09 AM
Wow. This is a short game thread. Everyone must be watching the Sexual Harassment Panda episode of South Park. :)

Nah, there's a lot more entertaining to do than watch the Reds these days.

You know, even when we lost 90+ games over the last 8 years, at least the Reds hit well and you just never knew if they would come back. This team is so emasculated now that once the other team scores 4 runs, you're pretty much sure that the game is over and you can do something else.

The great pitching predicted by most has morphed into a very below average staff with the trials of Volquez (lately), Cueto, Arroyo, and Harang. The lights-out closer we thought we had is human after all. Volquez and Cueto will improve, but this year it's so boring that once the game is over (when the opposition has a four run lead), it's easier to just do something else and that's sad.

Spring~Fields
08-06-2008, 01:20 AM
You know, even when we lost 90+ games over the last 8 years, at least the Reds hit well and you just never knew if they would come back. This team is so emasculated now that once the other team scores 4 runs, you're pretty much sure that the game is over and you can do something else.

The great pitching predicted by most has morphed into a very below average staff with the trials of Volquez (lately), Cueto, Arroyo, and Harang. The lights-out closer we thought we had is human after all. Volquez and Cueto will improve, but this year it's so boring that once the game is over (when the opposition has a four run lead), it's easier to just do something else and that's sad.

Hard to understand how they all could become so mediocre at once, I am suspicious of the instructions that they receive from pitching improvements, to the one calling the pitches, to those batting tips from the staff. I wish Jocketty would just clean house in the off season.

HokieRed
08-06-2008, 01:36 AM
Spring fields, I think you'll get your wish. I look for WJ to clean house in a major way. My prediction: only Bruce and Votto back from today's starting position players. The rest will go.

Matt700wlw
08-06-2008, 11:21 AM
Note to Masset...if you're going to try to intimidate Prince Fielder with some chin music.....make sure you get him out...

:)