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LouisvilleCARDS
08-06-2008, 11:04 PM
They've broken away a bit from Toledo and have about half their remaining games against Columbus. It wil be interesting, there hasn't been a playoff team since 2001 I believe. I think the Bats have a good shot to take the IL crown.

OnBaseMachine
08-06-2008, 11:05 PM
They are now up eight games. They have a pretty good chance at winning the championship if they continue playing like they have lately.

LouisvilleCARDS
08-06-2008, 11:15 PM
They are now up eight games. They have a pretty good chance at winning the championship if they continue playing like they have lately.

They draw huge attendance here too, it seems like every year Louisville has won the attendance crown. This with a stadium that probably limits the overall attendance numbers a bit. It's nice to have this team finally start to win. At least Reds management hasn't neglected the Bats and built up a pretty good contender.

redhawk61
08-06-2008, 11:18 PM
I wonder if the Bats get in the playoffs if the likes of Dorn, Stubbs, Valaika, Henry would get move up there to get that play off experience. Is there roster expansion for the AAA playoffs?

camisadelgolf
08-07-2008, 12:08 AM
I'm excited for Louisville. And all this success is coming after pawning off players like Jim Brower, Tom Shearn, and Justin Lehr.

KronoRed
08-07-2008, 12:37 AM
Send Bruce back down to strengthen them for the home stretch

Someone in the system should win a title ;)

OnBaseMachine
08-07-2008, 12:42 AM
I'll be surprised if the Bats don't win the championship this year with the current team they have. They have strong starting pitching led by Daryl Thompson when he returns soon, Matt Maloney, Ramon Ramirez, Bobby Livingston, and AAA fodder like Pettyjohn, and the bullpen is very strong with power arms like Roenicke, Pelland, and Fisher and others like Herrera, Manuel, and Jon Adkins. And the offense has a nice mix between solid prospects like Rosales, Dickerson, Richar, Cumberland, and Janish and older veterans like Barker, Hanigan, and Drew Anderson. It's been fun following this team over the last few weeks with the great ball they've been playing.

camisadelgolf
08-07-2008, 01:12 AM
I'll be surprised if the Bats don't win the championship this year with the current team they have. They have strong starting pitching led by Daryl Thompson when he returns soon, Matt Maloney, Ramon Ramirez, Bobby Livingston, and AAA fodder like Pettyjohn, and the bullpen is very strong with power arms like Roenicke, Pelland, and Fisher and others like Herrera, Manuel, and Jon Adkins. And the offense has a nice mix between solid prospects like Rosales, Dickerson, Richar, Cumberland, and Janish and older veterans like Barker, Hanigan, and Drew Anderson. It's been fun following this team over the last few weeks with the great ball they've been playing.

I like this almost as much as the 'Broken Elbow for Lotzkar..Thank God' thread title. :laugh:

roborobj
08-07-2008, 01:44 AM
I'm excited for Louisville. And all this success is coming after pawning off players like Jim Brower, Tom Shearn, and Justin Lehr.

The Reds just resigned Justin Lehr according to the radio announcer during last night's game.

OnBaseMachine
08-07-2008, 03:25 AM
I like this almost as much as the 'Broken Elbow for Lotzkar..Thank God' thread title. :laugh:

I probably didn't put it in the best words but Pettyjohn is a fine AAA starter but nothing else. There ain't nothing wrong with having a guy like that on the AAA roster.

Kingspoint
08-07-2008, 04:00 AM
The Reds just resigned Justin Lehr according to the radio announcer during last night's game.

Sweet. What the heck was his release really all about then? I'd love to hear an interview with him about his travels since he left.

It's really cool to see how well Louisville has played this year. They are currently the hottest team in the International League having won 6 in a row and at least 8 out of 10. No other team's won 8 of 10.

It had to happen as O'Brien and Krivsky moved this minor league system from a Bottom-5 in baseball to a Top-5 in baseball.

Winning feels good and it's an attitude that helps everyone at every level.

Plus, the fans love it. I love Minor League Baseball.

Kingspoint
08-07-2008, 04:06 AM
Chattanooga and Sarasota have percentages in the .470's for the season. It's not championship, but it's not terrible.

The franchise still needs better starting pitching.

If Dunn is not brought back, that brings in 2 more 1st Round/Supplemental 1st Round picks, potentially starting pitching.

Kingspoint
08-07-2008, 04:29 AM
Dayton's only 2 games out with about 20 games to play.

Waring's been great since the All-Star break (945 OPS).

Lotzkar had been tremendous since the All-Star break (.208 Opp Avg).

They've had Aguido Gonzalez for 6 appearances (he of the 0.00 ERA on the season at 3 levels.)

Jeremy Horst (he is a horse at 6'4" & 220) had an excellent .190 Opp Avg before the All-Star break, but what he's done in comparison after the All-Star break has been phenomenal. Before: 3.69 ERA in 39IP and 0 Starts After: 1.73 ERA in 42 IP & 6 Starts (5 Reliefs). But, that's not the half of it. He lowered his Walks from 19 to 7 and increased his K's from 39 to 51. He turns 23 October 1st. (Only 56 hits in 81 IP this year).

Batters are hitting only .189 off of Jeff Jeffords since the AS break.

and, Luis Montano has a 2.38 ERA in 9 starts since the AS break.

And, the beanpole (6'2" & 165) Juan Rafael has 19K's and 2BB's in 15 IP w/ a 1.20 ERA and 3-0 Record since the AS break.

camisadelgolf
08-07-2008, 04:35 AM
I probably didn't put it in the best words but Pettyjohn is a fine AAA starter but nothing else. There ain't nothing wrong with having a guy like that on the AAA roster.

Yeah, I agree with you. But 90% of the conversation on RedsZone is taking things out of context so that it sounds like what you want it to sound like for the sake of making conversation or arguing.

princeton
08-07-2008, 09:20 AM
solid prospects like Rosales, Dickerson, Richar, Cumberland, and Janish...

there might not be a prospect in the lot

camisadelgolf
08-07-2008, 09:36 AM
there might not be a prospect in the lot

They're all currently prospects (of various grades), but they might not all become quality Major Leaguers.

princeton
08-07-2008, 09:43 AM
They're all currently prospects.

guys like that are often called "suspects" not "prospects".

I've always like that term. Suspect.

Q. "so who killed the Reds' great farm system?"

A."we don't know yet. There are about 1000 suspects."

Kc61
08-07-2008, 01:55 PM
The Bats are 71-48, just a shade below .600 winning percentage. The team has mainly consisted of younger players, not a lot of journeymen. Does this mean anything for the future Reds?

I'm probably overly optimistic, but I think so.

The minor league stars have mostly advanced already. Bruce, Cueto, Votto. I put Bailey in a different category, he was touted as a star, but still needs seasoning. Volquez, Burton, Bray from other organizations have graduated to the Reds.

Louisville has a bunch of guys, perhaps not stars, who seem ready to graduate to the big leagues. I expect graduation day to come at the end of this season.

Dickerson. Roenicke. Hanigan. Herrera. Pelland. Janish. These guys seem ready to graduate. The Reds may not keep them all, some may wash out or leave the organization, but for the most part they seem to have completed their AAA education.

This is not an exhaustive list. Rosales may be ready, although his success came late this year. Thompson probably needs more seasoning but the Reds had him up earlier. Maloney was on line for his diploma but had this injury. Ramon Ramirez only needs a few more credits. Don't know about the infielder acquired from the Chisox.

Except for the Griffey deal, Walt has been very quiet. Probably the calm before the storm. But I don't think it's an accident Louisville has won. There's a fair amount of talent there -- even if not stars -- and I hope some are with the big club pretty soon.

LouisvilleCARDS
08-08-2008, 11:34 PM
Another win! That's 8 in a row. Wow, I can't remember such a hot Bats team.

Kingspoint
08-09-2008, 01:24 AM
Enjoy it Louisville.

Last time I was in Louisville was in the Military in the fall of 1980. Love the accents on the women there.

RedlegJake
08-09-2008, 03:04 AM
guys like that are often called "suspects" not "prospects".

I've always like that term. Suspect.

Q. "so who killed the Reds' great farm system?"

A."we don't know yet. There are about 1000 suspects."

That's true. The thing about prospects to remember is - they're all, except for a rarified handful, actually suspects. It's a numbers game to a large extent - the more suspects in the system, the better the chances that 1 or 2 break through each year.

camisadelgolf
08-09-2008, 03:18 AM
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BEETTLEBUG
08-09-2008, 07:10 AM
Would Walt upset The Apple cart and bring up those guys before their season is over and then Louisville not win?

LouisvilleCARDS
08-09-2008, 07:53 PM
Enjoy it Louisville.

Last time I was in Louisville was in the Military in the fall of 1980. Love the accents on the women there.

This is actually a pretty big baseball hotbed. I think if there was a major league team here, it could do just as well as the Reds draw in Cincinnati. Back in the 80's when the Redsbirds first came here, the minor league team, attendance broke a million and were averaging over 20K a game. Actually drew more than a few teams like the Indians for a couple years around there.

Last summer the Louisville Cardinals made the college baseball world series, and we hosted the super regionals and they had a ton of temporary bleachers, big sell out, as we beat the crap out of Oklahoma St that series and went to the College World series.

The city is most known to be a college basketball city, but there's a ton of baseball support.

OnBaseMachine
08-11-2008, 07:21 PM
Louisville's championship hopes have taken a hit in the last few days with Adam Rosales, Ryan Hanigan, and now Chris Dickerson all getting called up to the Reds. Rosales could be back though I'd like to see him in Cincy the remainder of the season. I wouldn't be surprised to see some players like Danny Dorn and Sean Henry get promoted to Louisville to help them win a title.

RedlegJake
08-12-2008, 01:57 AM
Louisville's championship hopes have taken a hit in the last few days with Adam Rosales, Ryan Hanigan, and now Chris Dickerson all getting called up to the Reds. Rosales could be back though I'd like to see him in Cincy the remainder of the season. I wouldn't be surprised to see some players like Danny Dorn and Sean Henry get promoted to Louisville to help them win a title.

They may well be getting some outside help soon.

Kingspoint
08-12-2008, 02:20 AM
This is actually a pretty big baseball hotbed. I think if there was a major league team here, it could do just as well as the Reds draw in Cincinnati. Back in the 80's when the Redsbirds first came here, the minor league team, attendance broke a million and were averaging over 20K a game. Actually drew more than a few teams like the Indians for a couple years around there.

Last summer the Louisville Cardinals made the college baseball world series, and we hosted the super regionals and they had a ton of temporary bleachers, big sell out, as we beat the crap out of Oklahoma St that series and went to the College World series.

The city is most known to be a college basketball city, but there's a ton of baseball support.

20,000 fans is not minor league....that's major league. So, is it a dry county?

camisadelgolf
08-12-2008, 02:28 AM
20,000 fans is not minor league....that's major league. So, is it a dry county?

Louisville's metro area is a little more than half of Cincinnati's, and I believe Cincinnati has many more residents per square mile. No one doubts that Louisville likes baseball (Louisville Slugger says 'hi'), but unless it continues to grow the way it has lately, they won't be getting a Major League baseball team.

Kingspoint
08-12-2008, 02:33 AM
Louisville's metro area is a little more than half of Cincinnati's, and I believe Cincinnati has many more residents per square mile. No one doubts that Louisville likes baseball (Louisville Slugger says 'hi'), but unless it continues to grow the way it has lately, they won't be getting a Major League baseball team.


They'll never get a major league baseball team. They've got to be considered Cincinnati's "area". If I were them, I wouldn't want a Major League team. There are a lot of great things about the Minor League teams that you can't get as a Major League team....most distinctly is player connections with the fans.

camisadelgolf
08-12-2008, 02:55 AM
Personally, I love minor league baseball. Unless I'm watching the Reds are visiting a special stadium, I'd rather watch, say, the Bats, Indians, Dragons, Clippers, Mud Hens, etc.

LouisvilleCARDS
08-12-2008, 02:56 AM
They'll never get a major league baseball team. They've got to be considered Cincinnati's "area". If I were them, I wouldn't want a Major League team. There are a lot of great things about the Minor League teams that you can't get as a Major League team....most distinctly is player connections with the fans.

I don't think the city is even pushing for it. I mean we didn't even have a city sports commission up until a couple years ago. The time has come and passed for a big push for a pro team here. We tried an NBA team, and it was split in the first place on whether or not to even want it here. We tried for the Grizzlies, it was between us and Memphis, they chose Memphis. Then the Hornets moved, it was between us and New Orleans, they chose New Orleans. Basically better corporate sponsorship deals. Ironically, both places rank at the lowest in the league in attendance and their ownership is hemorrhaging money. I didn't want an NBA team, because its completely bombed since MJ retired and there's no support.

And thats probably the main reason why we won't get a pro team probably ever. It's because the strength of MLB, NBA, and NHL are all horrible for expansion. Even established teams lose money and don't draw fans - it would be hard to sustain that here. I don't think we would do any worse than the city of Cincinnati though.

It's odd to explain, but the state government here treats Louisville like crap. Instead of promoting it as the states crown city, it constantly screws it over in budgets, especially the University of Louisville - while 95% of the tax money leaves the city. I mean U of L has a football stadium expansion paid for, all private money, and the state just needed to convene last year to approve the construction bonds.

Mind you, they didn't have to actually PAY for a damn thing in this, it was all privately funded - they just had to approve it for construction. But they didn't convene, the project was delayed to approval for this year, and in turn we not only lost a chance to have the expansion built a year early - but it also added $10 mil more to the rising cost of raw materials.

Well, thats my random tangent. Just some insight on why exactly we wouldn't ever get a team. A combination of a weaknesses of every pro sport besides the NFL right now, the city's history of ineptitude, and the state's goal to screw over the city at every turn - and you can see why.

OnBaseMachine
08-22-2008, 01:14 AM
Bats' division clincher sweet for Sweet
Pettyjohn, Louisville win West Division with victory over Durham
By Danny Wild / Special to MLB.com

A team supposedly devoid of heroes also happens to be one of the best in the Minors.

Adam Pettyjohn tossed eight strong innings and Rick Sweet tied a franchise record for wins as the Louisville Bats held off the visiting Durham Bulls, 6-3, to win the International League's West Division crown on Thursday.

"It's unbelievable," Pettyjohn said. "It's a credit to those guys in the locker room. We came together and I think more than anything, it was unselfish play. No one tried to be the hero, no one is worried about personal stats. We've just played great as a team."

Like it or not, Pettyjohn (14-5) was the hero Thursday in earning his 14th win. The veteran struck out a season-high seven and held the Bulls to three runs on seven hits over eight innings. Jon Adkins fanned a pair in the ninth inning for his 26th save to seal the division crown.

"It's been an absolute blast," said Sweet, who tied Dave Miley's managerial club record with his 296th victory. "We've got more to do."

It was the fourth IL division title and the first since 2003 for Louisville (82-51), which owns the best record in the league. The Bats, 17-3 in August, will face the eventual South Division champs -- either Durham or the Norfolk Tides -- in the playoffs next month.

"It's been a lot of fun," Sweet said. "It's amazing how many guys are involved in this. I've had text messages all day from the guys in Cincinnati saying, 'Get it done tonight.'"

Louisville did exactly that. Pettyjohn allowed a pair of runs in the first, but held the Bulls (68-65) to one run thereafter. The Bats scored twice to tie the game in the first and tacked on three more runs to take the lead in the fourth.

"It's been that way all year, we do all kinds of things well and get big hits," the skipper said. "It's just the way we've played. This started in April and these guys finished it off."

Louisville reeled off eight straight wins to begin the month before losing to the Columbus Clippers on Aug. 9. Pettyjohn said the final push started when Aaron Harang led the Bats to an 11-0 win in a rehab start against Toledo on Aug. 4.

"Harang came down and we got it done," he said. "That set the tone for that series and the month. We haven't looked back since."

Miley led the Bats to a 79-64 record in 2003 to capture Louisville's last division title.

"Miles is one of my best friends, I'm very close with Dave," Sweet said. "It's nice to be there with him, I'm honored to be equal with him."

Pettyjohn and Sweet agreed the season has been an enjoyable one. The Bats went 15-1 from Aug. 1-17 to take control of the West Division.

"We're enjoying the win and title, enjoying it as a team," said Pettyjohn. "It's been so much fun. To be able to clinch like that is so much fun, so we're going to celebrate."

Pettyjohn moved into second place all-time in franchise history for wins in a season and can tie Ralph Citarella's 1992 record with his next victory.

"It is a total credit to our offense and our bullpen," he said. "Every win I've had this year, the bullpen has come in and, without them, none of it is possible."

Sweet has 11 regular-season games remaining to move into first all-time in club wins.

"He's as much as a player's manager as there is out there," Pettyjohn said. "He takes care of his players and he's done a great job keeping us fresh. He's kept us focused."

Adkins struck out John Jaso swinging to end the game and officially commence a somewhat subdued on-field celebration. Less than half of the 8,503 fans at Louisville Slugger Ballpark remained to see the final out, and many of them quietly sat in anticipation.

Pettyjohn, who threw 79 of his 104 pitches for strikes, said he didn't mind watching the ninth from the dugout.

"It doesn't really matter to me, Sweet has done a great job and I never even questioned it," Pettyjohn said. "I was able to put our team in position to win, and the bullpen has been doing it all year."

Durham remained in first place in the South Division and will need to hold off Norfolk for the title. The Bulls and Bats could very well meet again in the first round in September.

"As long as we keep playing the way we are, we'll do just fine," Pettyjohn said. "I know we'll stay focused."

Drew Anderson and Kevin Parker lined consecutive run-scoring hits in the first to knot the game, 2-2. Craig Tatum, Danny Richar and Luis Bolivar each drove in a run in the fourth to give the Bats a 5-2 lead.

Wade Davis (3-2) allowed five runs on six hits and three walks over four innings to suffer the loss for Durham.

http://cincinnati.reds.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20080822&content_id=3348058&vkey=news_cin&fext=.jsp&c_id=cin

OnBaseMachine
08-23-2008, 01:21 AM
Former Louisville stars wish Bats well
Reds' Triple-A squad headed to International League playoffs
By Mark Sheldon / MLB.com

DENVER -- By virtue of their current last-place status, the Reds will not get so much as a sniff of the postseason for the eighth consecutive season.

However, there were several players in the clubhouse Friday that can say they contributed to a playoff team and division winner. Triple-A Louisville won its game Thursday over Durham to clinch the International League's West Division title.

Reds rookie outfielder Chris Dickerson has stayed in touch with the Bats and manager Rick Sweet since his Aug. 12 promotion to the big leagues.

"I told Sweet to spray a bottle of champagne for me and make sure he wore his swim goggles," Dickerson said. "He said he's old school and likes the sting in his eyes. It's nice to look back and feel like we contributed to something great. It's awesome Sweet and the coaching staff is getting a chance to enjoy the playoffs and a division championship. We wish them the best. I would have liked to have been there for that celebration."

Perhaps not quite as much being in the Majors.

Besides Dickerson, Jay Bruce, Ryan Hanigan, Adam Rosales, Jolbert Cabrera, Andy Phillips, Corey Patterson, Bill Bray and Gary Majewski logged time at Louisville this season. Even Reds veteran Aaron Harang got a win for the Bats, during an Aug. 4 rehab assignment start.

Louisville, which entered Friday 82-51, went 17-3 in August to claim its first playoff berth since 2003. With their season extended, don't be surprised if some September callups are delayed until the Bats' run is done.

"I was excited for them. I figured they would [clinch]," Hanigan said. "There's momentum on that team down there. They expect to win. They play good, consistent baseball all the time. We obviously lost a couple of guys before, when I was there, and then me and Dickerson. It's not about that. It's about the feel they play with and the aggressiveness. Hopefully they keep it going through the playoffs. I talk to those guys all the time, and I'm rooting them on."

http://cincinnati.reds.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20080822&content_id=3351188&vkey=news_cin&fext=.jsp&c_id=cin

Spring~Fields
08-23-2008, 11:57 AM
Like it or not, Pettyjohn (14-5) was the hero Thursday in earning his 14th win. The veteran struck out a season-high seven and held the Bulls to three runs on seven hits over eight innings. Jon Adkins fanned a pair in the ninth inning for his 26th save to seal the division crown.

Throughout the season I often wondered why Pettyjohn could not have been a fifth starter with the Reds, what is it that I don't understand about a guy that can win 14 games, maybe more before it is over?

OnBaseMachine
09-02-2008, 12:17 PM
Playoff matchups

Louisville will have today off before facing Durham and David Price (1-1, 4.50). Price, Tampa Bay's top pitching prospect and No. 1 pick in the 2007 draft, is 12-1 overall with a 2.30 ERA this year. He will face fellow lefty Matt Maloney (11-5, 4.68).

On Thursday, Durham's Mitch Talbot (13-9, 3.86) will face Homer Bailey (4-7, 4.77); Jeff Niemann (9-5, 3.59) takes on Louisville's Adam Pettyjohn (15-6, 4.59) on Friday; and Wade Davis (4-2, 2.72) faces Livingston on Saturday if necessary.

Starters have not been named for Game 5.

http://www.courier-journal.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080902/SPORTS07/809020474/1002/SPORTS