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Red in Chicago
08-07-2008, 07:52 PM
Astros:
Matsui 2b
Tejada ss
Berkman 1b
Lee lf
Pence rf
Wigginton 3b
Bourne cf
Ausmus c
Oswalt p

Reds:
Keppinger ss
Votto 1b
Bruce rf
Phillips 2b
Dunn lf
Encarnacion 3b
Patterson cf
Bako c
Fogg p

NC Reds
08-07-2008, 08:02 PM
Is there a worse team from 7-9 in the lineup than the Reds right now?

This season is lost. Get Dickerson and Hanigan up here.

flyer85
08-07-2008, 08:09 PM
could there be any wore matchup than Oswalt against the Reds in a Fogg?

Red in Chicago
08-07-2008, 08:12 PM
patterson's line in 225 at bats:
ba/obp/slg/ops
.191/.221/.338/.559

bako's line in 236 at bats:
ba/obp/slg/ops
.216/.288/.339/.627

brutal

flyer85
08-07-2008, 08:12 PM
Corey had the cement shoes on

Red in Chicago
08-07-2008, 08:15 PM
1st inning runs for the opposition...imagine that:rolleyes:

nate
08-07-2008, 08:17 PM
Chat is open! Bring your hair shirts!

KittyDuran
08-07-2008, 08:19 PM
Its Ladies Night! had chocolate marshmallows, cookies, got a pink & white hat, & a lei. They had massages but there was a long line.

PuffyPig
08-07-2008, 08:19 PM
patterson's line in 225 at bats:
ba/obp/slg/ops
.191/.221/.338/.559

bako's line in 236 at bats:
ba/obp/slg/ops
.216/.288/.339/.627

brutal

Look across the diamond.

Borne and Asmus at .595 and .612.

That's a pretty sick pair of CF/C for both teams.

WVRedsFan
08-07-2008, 08:30 PM
Bottom of the first...Dunn walks to load the bases with two out and Encarnacion up. Swings at the first pitch and fouls. Strike two call. Strike 3 call.

1-0 Houston after 1.

Red in Chicago
08-07-2008, 08:31 PM
ee is completely lost at the plate yet again...looks at strike three with bases loaded...sigh

BCubb2003
08-07-2008, 08:31 PM
Lots of OBP that inning.

OnBaseMachine
08-07-2008, 08:36 PM
That 0-2 pitch on Ausmus was strike three on EdE. Gotta love inconsistent strikezones.

CTA513
08-07-2008, 08:47 PM
Another called 3rd strike to end the inning for the Reds.

jesusfan
08-07-2008, 08:47 PM
that was not a strike... I guess you have to be swinging with 2 strikes though..

Big Klu
08-07-2008, 08:47 PM
You know, I normally hate called third strikes, but I can't gripe about the one Keppinger watched. It was low and outside.

BTW, good heads-up play by Bako stretching his single into a double.

OnBaseMachine
08-07-2008, 08:47 PM
I like him as a bench player but I don't know how much more I can handle of Keppinger starting at SS. His range is among the worst in baseball at SS and he hasn't hit a lick since coming back from his injury.

OnBaseMachine
08-07-2008, 08:48 PM
You know, I normally hate called third strikes, but I can't gripe about the one Keppinger watched. It was low and outside.

Ump has a bad zone tonight, he made two low strike calls on Bruce in the first inning.

flyer85
08-07-2008, 08:50 PM
Lots of OBP that inning.
Oswalt knows who the guys are that he can get out when he needs to

Big Klu
08-07-2008, 08:51 PM
I like him as a bench player but I don't know how much more I can handle of Keppinger starting at SS. His range is among the worst in baseball at SS and he hasn't hit a lick since coming back from his injury.

There aren't a lot of options at this point. Personally, I would have given Cabrera a second start at SS tonight, but that's not really a slam-dunk alternative.

OnBaseMachine
08-07-2008, 08:51 PM
I find it hard to believe that Matt Maloney (when he returns from the DL), Paul Janish, Chris Dickerson, and Ryan Hanigan can't do a better job than Josh Fogg, Patterson, Keppinger, and Bako/Ross.

mbgrayson
08-07-2008, 08:53 PM
Ump has a bad zone tonight, he made two low strike calls on Bruce in the first inning.

Tonight's home plate ump is Ed Rapuano. Here are his stats:

ED RAPUANO 10.13 runs/Gm, 23 games, 12.3 Ks/Gm, 7.2 BBs/GM, 1.7 Ks/BB

Big Klu
08-07-2008, 08:56 PM
Paul Janish? I saw enough of him in May and June. He's not the answer now, and he may never be.

I'm guessing that the front office has seen enough of all of those guys to make an informed decision as to whether they can help, and since they aren't up, my guess is they probably can't. (Except maybe for Maloney, as he is on the disabled list.)

OnBaseMachine
08-07-2008, 08:57 PM
I honestly think half of the Redszoners on here could get a hit off Josh Fogg. I look at his stuff and just wonder how in the world he ever reach the major leagues.

CTA513
08-07-2008, 08:59 PM
2-0 Astros after Lee singles in another run.

VR
08-07-2008, 09:00 PM
I honestly think half of the Redszoners on here could get a hit off Josh Fogg.

1/2? You obviously hold RZ in very low regard. :)

OnBaseMachine
08-07-2008, 09:00 PM
I can't believe Walt held on to Josh Fogg when the Rockies were interested. Dude is just awful.

5-0 Astros on a Pence homerun.

flyer85
08-07-2008, 09:00 PM
there's something out there in the Fogg ... unfortunately it isn't a pitcher

CTA513
08-07-2008, 09:01 PM
That should lock up another Oswalt win against the Reds.

jesusfan
08-07-2008, 09:01 PM
Paul Janish is not the answer... I'd much rather have Hairston at SS when he returns and Dickerson in CF to see what he can do for the rest of the year... I just don't understand how hard it is to see that Dickerson and Hanigan need to be up here... Are they going to be studs like Votto and Bruce? No But can they help out the club much more than Bako and Patterson... Most definitely...

I sound like a broken record stating this every single time i'm on here, but it's just unreal to me how this does not happen....

NC Reds
08-07-2008, 09:01 PM
Fogg is awesome.

Big Klu
08-07-2008, 09:01 PM
This game is over. The Reds can't score more than two off Oswalt.

jesusfan
08-07-2008, 09:01 PM
Fogg Alert! Fogg Alert!

flyer85
08-07-2008, 09:02 PM
this game is over ... time to watch some football

jesusfan
08-07-2008, 09:02 PM
This game is over. The Reds can't score more than two off Oswalt.

two??? I was hoping for maybe 1...

VR
08-07-2008, 09:02 PM
I was just getting ready to type "queue the finale from 'Overture of 1812' this inning for the Astros offense"

the cannon went off before I finished.

Ltlabner
08-07-2008, 09:02 PM
I can't believe Walt held on to Josh Fogg when the Rockies were interested. Dude is just awful.

5-0 Astros on a Pence homerun.

No kidding.

Sure glad we hung onto him so we could "win as many games as possible".

Brilliant ownership and management.

OnBaseMachine
08-07-2008, 09:03 PM
I just have to laugh when Dusty and Walt say they want to win as many games as possible this year and then they run guys like Patterson, Bako, and Fogg out there when there are better options available. Walt is starting to remind me of Dan O'Brien with his overly patient approach.

Ltlabner
08-07-2008, 09:04 PM
I just have to laugh when Dusty and Walt say they want to win as many games as possible this year and then they run guys like Patterson, Bako, and Fogg out there when there are better options available. Walt is starting to remind me of Dan O'Brien with his overly patient approach.

I guess we'll never know why they decided to hold all their trading "chips" at the deadline but I think it will go down as a major stratigic blunder.

CTA513
08-07-2008, 09:05 PM
The Reds are going to have to call someone up to help cover some innings if the starters keep pitching horrible.

flyer85
08-07-2008, 09:07 PM
lotsa patience

Falls City Beer
08-07-2008, 09:07 PM
I guess we'll never know why they decided to hold all their trading "chips" at the deadline but I think it will go down as a major stratigic blunder.

Others have made a good point, though: what benefit was there in trading the Foggs and Weathers of the world? The return would have sucked.

VR
08-07-2008, 09:07 PM
The Ghosts of 1982 are stirring for the Reds. Dave Van Gorder is now warming up Bruce Berenyi, Paul Householder is in the on-deck circle.

VR
08-07-2008, 09:08 PM
4 batters, 4 pitches.

Single
Out
Out
Foul.

There's no train to catch boys.

Ltlabner
08-07-2008, 09:10 PM
Others have made a good point, though: what benefit was there in trading the Foggs and Weathers of the world? The return would have sucked.

Says FCB.......

I guess I just have more faith in Walt than you do.

Big Klu
08-07-2008, 09:12 PM
I just have to laugh when Dusty and Walt say they want to win as many games as possible this year and then they run guys like Patterson, Bako, and Fogg out there when there are better options available. Walt is starting to remind me of Dan O'Brien with his overly patient approach.

Who are these better options? There are no healthy pitchers to replace Fogg--otherwise they would have been here instead of Bailey. With one half-season of productive minor-league baseball under his belt, Chris Dickerson has become the Second Coming of Chris Denorfia on RedsZone, but at his best he likely projects to be no better than Corey Patterson is now. There is a better option than Bako, but it isn't Hanigan, who is Paul Bako circa 1996. The better alternative to Bako is David Ross.

OnBaseMachine
08-07-2008, 09:13 PM
Bruce drops a flyball. Looks like he looked up to see where Patterson was.

Big Klu
08-07-2008, 09:14 PM
I'm sure that was Corey Patterson's fault somehow.

Ltlabner
08-07-2008, 09:14 PM
http://carolynbaker.net/site/images/train%20wreck.jpg

edabbs44
08-07-2008, 09:14 PM
Bruce drops a flyball. Looks like he looked up to see where Patterson was.


I'm sure that was Corey Patterson's fault somehow.

Good call. :)

Red in Chicago
08-07-2008, 09:15 PM
http://carolynbaker.net/site/images/train%20wreck.jpg

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OnBaseMachine
08-07-2008, 09:15 PM
Who are these better options? There are no healthy pitchers to replace Fogg--otherwise they would have been here instead of Bailey. With one half-season of productive minor-league baseball under his belt, Chris Dickerson has become the Second Coming of Chris Denorfia on RedsZone, but at his best he likely projects to be no better than Corey Patterson is now. There is a better option than Bako, but it isn't Hanigan, who is Paul Bako circa 1996--it's David Ross.

Dickerson hit well in Louisville last year too so it's not just a half season. And what in the world is wrong with giving him a chance? What's it going to hurt? Corey Patterson is clearly not getting the job done, why not give Dickerson a shot? And David Ross is awful. He's not much better than Bako. At least Hanigan can play a little defense unlike the other two.

OnBaseMachine
08-07-2008, 09:16 PM
Good call. :)

What?

OnBaseMachine
08-07-2008, 09:19 PM
Edwin singles to begin the 5th and Corey Patterson pops a bunt up for the first out. Sheesh.

flyer85
08-07-2008, 09:20 PM
at least Corey is consistent

edabbs44
08-07-2008, 09:20 PM
Others have made a good point, though: what benefit was there in trading the Foggs and Weathers of the world? The return would have sucked.

There would have been benefit in just getting Fogg off the roster. However, a trade of Fogg for a lottery ticket probably would have given Cincy a better chance of getting a positive return.

OnBaseMachine
08-07-2008, 09:21 PM
Bako GIDP to end the inning.

Ltlabner
08-07-2008, 09:23 PM
http://eppsnet.com/images/collapsed-bridge.jpg

Bako is to winning as this bridge is to crossing rivers.

Big Klu
08-07-2008, 09:24 PM
There would have been benefit in just getting Fogg off the roster. However, a trade of Fogg for a lottery ticket probably would have given Cincy a better chance of getting a positive return.

Somebody has to eat some innings the rest of the way, though. Some people are already starting to grumble that Volquez and Cueto have thrown too many innings.

HokieRed
08-07-2008, 09:29 PM
Ramon Ramirez is scoreless through five tonight for Louisville with 8 K's. Maybe more interesting to see him than Fogg[?] Personally I see no justification whatever for playing Corey Patterson--anybody would be better than Patterson.

OnBaseMachine
08-07-2008, 09:33 PM
Nice catch by Patterson.

Ltlabner
08-07-2008, 09:33 PM
I despise Patterson, but that was a dang nice snag.

Big Klu
08-07-2008, 09:33 PM
Patterson allows the run to tag up and score.

BRM
08-07-2008, 09:33 PM
According to the Denver papers, the Reds asked for Ryan Spilborghs in return for Fogg. Of course, the Rockies laughed.

edabbs44
08-07-2008, 09:34 PM
Somebody has to eat some innings the rest of the way, though. Some people are already starting to grumble that Volquez and Cueto have thrown too many innings.

There are plenty of Monday morning QBs on the board.

I agree that someone has to throw the innings, but the same people griping about Volquez and Cueto have to understand that, to limit their totals, guys like Fogg have to trot out there every 5th day.

WVRedsFan
08-07-2008, 09:44 PM
Reds bumbling through another game--sleep walking if you will while the Houston offense gets 6 runs.

:sleep:

OnBaseMachine
08-07-2008, 09:50 PM
Bruce doubles into the left center gap to extend his hitting streak to 11 games and he's hit safely in 23 of 25 games.

Big Klu
08-07-2008, 09:52 PM
I'm sure that baserunning blunder was Corey Patterson's fault.

jesusfan
08-07-2008, 09:52 PM
nice baserunning down 6-0... Welsh going off...

Big Klu
08-07-2008, 09:54 PM
nice baserunning down 6-0... Welsh going off...

Chris is mad as hell, and he's not going to take it anymore!

jesusfan
08-07-2008, 09:59 PM
YES!!! A meaningless double-play!

jesusfan
08-07-2008, 10:00 PM
Have we ever gotten Lee out?

Spring~Fields
08-07-2008, 10:02 PM
Reds bumbling through another game--sleep walking if you will while the Houston offense gets 6 runs.

:sleep:

:lol:zzzzzzzzzzzZZZZZZZZZZZz

jesusfan
08-07-2008, 10:04 PM
Any game where Corey Patterson has two hits we should win...

jesusfan
08-07-2008, 10:05 PM
Nice bako...

OnBaseMachine
08-07-2008, 10:05 PM
Another Bako double play.

jesusfan
08-07-2008, 10:06 PM
My bad... Patterson doesnt have two hits... what was I thinking?

Spring~Fields
08-07-2008, 10:07 PM
My bad... Patterson doesnt have two hits... what was I thinking?

Oh well, you made me look, you were close though, he does have one.

jesusfan
08-07-2008, 10:08 PM
There is a reason Oswalt has a 4.50 era this year and it isn't his stellar pitching performances... There is also a reason the reds offense blows.... The reds are beat before they even take the field when they face Oswalt, psyched out!

Spring~Fields
08-07-2008, 10:10 PM
ESPN has CP listed with two last 7 days, and both are good
Patterson, he likes batting down in the order
Last 7 Days .294 .294 .529 .824
Last 7 Days .385 .385 .692 1.077

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?playerId=4239
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/splits?playerId=4239

jesusfan
08-07-2008, 10:11 PM
Hey... Votto showed up tonight...

OnBaseMachine
08-07-2008, 10:11 PM
A two out walk by Cabrera, Kepp follows with a single and Votto lines a RBI single to CF. Votto is 3-for-4.

jesusfan
08-07-2008, 10:13 PM
Bruce punches it to 3rd for the easy FC... 6-1 after 7...

Spring~Fields
08-07-2008, 10:27 PM
R. Oswalt 7.0 9 1 1 2 6 0 4.56

J. Fogg 4.0 8 6 6 1 1 1 7.98
G. Majewski 1.0 0 0 0 0 0 0 3.45
J. Affeldt 2.0 2 0 0 0 0 0 3.64
B. Bray 1.0 1 0 0 1 0 0 2.92

Pitches-strikes - R Oswalt 92-63; J Fogg 88-54; G Majewski 10-8; J Affeldt 28-19; B Bray 19-11.

Ground balls-fly balls - R Oswalt 11-4; J Fogg 3-8; G Majewski 2-1; J Affeldt 5-1; B Bray 3-0.

Batters faced - R Oswalt 30; J Fogg 22; G Majewski 3; J Affeldt 7; B Bray 5.

Spring~Fields
08-07-2008, 10:31 PM
W. Wright relieved R. Oswalt
B. Phillips walked
A. Dunn struck out swinging

Spring~Fields
08-07-2008, 10:32 PM
Home Run

E. Encarnacion homered to deep left center, B. Phillips scored

EE

OnBaseMachine
08-07-2008, 10:32 PM
EdE belts a 2-run homerun (#21) to cut the deficit to 6-3.

Spring~Fields
08-07-2008, 10:34 PM
C. Patterson flied out to deep center

REDREAD
08-07-2008, 10:35 PM
Just peeking in, but it looks like a normal Reds night.. not good.. :(

Spring~Fields
08-07-2008, 10:38 PM
L. Hawkins relieved W. Wright

Spring~Fields
08-07-2008, 10:41 PM
Ross walks with two out.


J. Valentin hit for B. Bray

OnBaseMachine
08-07-2008, 10:44 PM
Valentin bloop single. Keppinger up.

Spring~Fields
08-07-2008, 10:44 PM
Base hit Valentine

Spring~Fields
08-07-2008, 10:46 PM
Valentin bloop single. Keppinger up.

Still alive here in the bottom of the eigth.

Big Klu
08-07-2008, 10:47 PM
I don't like using Arroyo as a pinch-runner, because he is the best-hitting pitcher on the team, and the Reds might need his bat off the bench since they are running out of players. I would have preferred using Volquez or Bailey as the pinch-runner for Valentin. (I wouldn't use Cueto since he is scheduled to pitch tomorrow, and should already be in his routine.)

Spring~Fields
08-07-2008, 10:49 PM
Cincinnati Inning Summary

- W. Wright relieved R. Oswalt
- B. Phillips walked
- A. Dunn struck out swinging
- E. Encarnacion homered to deep left center, B. Phillips scored
- C. Patterson flied out to deep center
- D. Ross hit for P. Bako
- L. Hawkins relieved W. Wright
- D. Ross walked
- J. Valentin hit for B. Bray
- J. Valentin singled to left, D. Ross to second
- B. Arroyo ran for D. Ross
- J. Keppinger popped out to second
- End of Inning (2 Runs, 2 Hits, 0 Errors)

Raisor
08-07-2008, 10:49 PM
I don't like using Arroyo as a pinch-runner, because he is the best-hitting pitcher on the team, and the Reds might need his bat off the bench since they are running out of players. .

You know, I think they should start using Arroyo as a regular pinch hitter.

OnBaseMachine
08-07-2008, 10:49 PM
Wow. Keppinger refused a walk there. He swung at a 2-0 breaking ball at his ankles and fouled it off to make it 2-1. Next pitch bounced in the dirt to make it 3-1 and then Kepp pops out on a 3-1 fastball that was inside. He should have walked. Just a perfect example of why this offense is awful...they get into favorable hitting counts and swing at junk like that. Jeez.

Bases should have been loaded for Votto.

OnBaseMachine
08-07-2008, 10:54 PM
Surprise, surprise. David Weathers comes on to pitch the 9th and is getting crushed. Thank goodness Walt held on to him.

Big Klu
08-07-2008, 10:56 PM
You know, I think they should start using Arroyo as a regular pinch hitter.

I am fully on board with that decision. He looks like he's got half a clue when he's at the plate. In this era when clubs are carrying 12-13 pitchers, it also follows that they carry only 4-5 backup position players. As a result, I think it will become more common to have a pitcher (or pitchers) who can fill some sort of offensive role (at least in low-leverage situations) off the bench on days he doesn't start. For the Reds, that would mean using Arroyo as a PH, and maybe Cueto as a PR. Around the NL, pitchers like Carlos Zambrano and C.C. Sabathia would obviously be pinch-hitting threats.

LoganBuck
08-07-2008, 11:15 PM
Yeah, Patterson is up.

LoganBuck
08-07-2008, 11:18 PM
noooo............

Astros 7 Reds 4 ----- Final

CTA513
08-07-2008, 11:19 PM
noooo............

Astros 7 Reds 4 ----- Final

The Reds at least showed some life in the 9th inning.

Matt700wlw
08-07-2008, 11:24 PM
Corey Patterson should never be the tyring run at the plate in the bottom of the 9th...

HokieRed
08-07-2008, 11:30 PM
Corey Patterson should never be at the plate in a Reds uniform again. Period.

Matt700wlw
08-07-2008, 11:36 PM
It is a shame that he's allowed to continue wasting at bats while Chris Dickerson continues to play in AAA