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redhawk61
08-08-2008, 08:04 PM
Matt Maloney back on the bump for LOU
Lecure going for Chatt
Rafael Gonzalez for SAR
Montano for DAY

redhawk61
08-08-2008, 08:10 PM
Dickerson back leading off for LOU

CTA513
08-08-2008, 08:11 PM
GCL Reds won 9-2

Cline: 1 Inning, 1 Hit, 1 Run, 1 BB, 1 K
Daryl Thompson: 4 Innings, 2 Hits, 1 Unearned Run, 0 BB, 3 Ks - (1st appearance since June 29th)
Pizziconi: 3 Innings, 2 Hits, 0 Runs, 0 BB, 2 Ks
Gardner: 1 Inning, 0 Hits, 0 Runs, 0 BB, 0 K

Oliveras: 2 for 5 with a single, triple and 3 RBIs
Hale: 2 for 5 with 2 singles and 1 RBI
Vasquez: 1 for 3 with a triple, walk and 2 RBIs
Bowe: 2 for 3 with 2 singles and a walk

redhawk61
08-08-2008, 08:16 PM
Maloney 1inning, 0Hits,0 R, 1 BB, 2K's

redhawk61
08-08-2008, 08:19 PM
Rosales doubles his 27th

redhawk61
08-08-2008, 08:29 PM
Maloney 2inn, 1 hit, 0 R, 1 BB, 3 K's, 1 HBP

redhawk61
08-08-2008, 08:30 PM
Lecure 1 inning 1 K

redhawk61
08-08-2008, 08:32 PM
Hanigan singles now up to .326....yeah we don't need that;)

zipcurve
08-08-2008, 08:55 PM
Lecure 2 innings 0 hits 2 K

redhawk61
08-08-2008, 09:07 PM
Stubbs hits an RBI double, oppo

Henry had an RBI triple in the 1st

Dorn RBI double

redhawk61
08-08-2008, 09:16 PM
Lecure 3 innings 3 K's no runs

zipcurve
08-08-2008, 09:20 PM
LeCure has a no hitter through 4 innings with 3 Ks

redhawk61
08-08-2008, 09:22 PM
Dayton down 7-0 in the 4th

Soto 1-2
Jones 1-2

Montano 2 innings, 2 hits 2 ER, 2 BB's, 1 K
Thurman 0.0 innings 2 hits 4 ER 2BB's
Arias 1inning 1 hit 1 run(unearned) 1K

redhawk61
08-08-2008, 09:26 PM
Maloney 5 innings, 5 hits, 1 ER, 2 BB's, 7 K's

redhawk61
08-08-2008, 09:34 PM
Stubbs almost comes up with a big hit with runners on but the OF made a great diving play on the ball/ I really like what I am hearing from what he is doing at AA.

zipcurve
08-08-2008, 09:42 PM
LeCure No hitter through 5 with 4 Ks

zipcurve
08-08-2008, 09:56 PM
LeCure No hitter through 6 with 7 Ks
Lookouts leading 3-0

Kc61
08-08-2008, 10:12 PM
Lecure no hitter through 7 with 9Ks. Before missing some time on the DL, Lecure had been dominant. He is dominant tonight. Is this a guy who is exceeding his expected upside?

redhawk61
08-08-2008, 10:18 PM
basehit to leadoff the 8th ends the bid for a no-no

HokieRed
08-08-2008, 10:24 PM
Was it a no-no or was Lecure still perfect? He was perfect at least through 6.

zipcurve
08-08-2008, 10:33 PM
LeCure 7 perfect innings. Gave up two singles in the 8th. Struck out 9.

HokieRed
08-08-2008, 10:36 PM
Rosales is 2 for 4, double and homer. Needs to be the third baseman in Cinti, sooner the better.

Patrick Bateman
08-08-2008, 10:47 PM
Rosales is 2 for 4, double and homer. Needs to be the third baseman in Cinti, sooner the better.

Rosales can't even OPS in AAA more than EE can in the majors.

HokieRed
08-08-2008, 10:57 PM
Look at Rosales' numbers as they are developing over the season.

redhawk61
08-08-2008, 11:02 PM
Rosales now 3-5 with 2 doubles and 2 RBI's

Kc61
08-08-2008, 11:03 PM
The way Louisville consistently wins, I wonder if the Reds would be better off just promoting the whole AAA squad and call them the Reds.

Patrick Bateman
08-08-2008, 11:04 PM
Look at Rosales' numbers as they are developing over the season.


A smaller sample size never trumps a larger sample size.

redhawk61
08-08-2008, 11:04 PM
Rosales:
April-.461 OPS
May-.676 OPS
June-.900 OPS
July-.846 OPS
August-1.180 OPS

PuffyPig
08-08-2008, 11:06 PM
The way Louisville consistently wins, I wonder if the Reds would be better off just promoting the whole AAA squad and call them the Reds.

Louisville plays in a weaker league as I believe AAA is considered lower than the majors.

I'm expecting they wouldn't do as well.

HokieRed
08-08-2008, 11:07 PM
Playing in the minors is about learning.

redhawk61
08-08-2008, 11:08 PM
A smaller sample size never trumps a larger sample size.
when tracking player progression/regression, smaller sample sizes, or "what have you done for me lately" trumps a large sample size.

AmarilloRed
08-08-2008, 11:32 PM
Bats win 7-1

Maloney: 5 IP, 5 hits, 1 run, 1 ER, 2 BB, 7 K
Fisher: 1 IP, 1 BB
Herrera:1 1/3 IP, 2 K, 2.08 ERA
Rosales:3-5, 2 doubles, HR, 2 RBI
Hanigan: 2-5, double, RBI
Cumberland:2-4

I'd keep an eye on how Carlos Fisher does the rest of this year and next year. He had a .179 BAA, 4 BB, 12 K in 7 2/3 IP in Louisville entering tonight. Small sample size, but he seems to be handling Louisville alright.

AmarilloRed
08-08-2008, 11:43 PM
Lookouts win 4-0

Lecure: 7 1/3 IP, 2 hits, 9 K
Geronimo:1 2/3 IP, 1 BB, 2 K
Dorn:3-4, double , RBI
Henry:2-4, triple
Stubbs:1-4, double, RBI

The Sarasota game was suspended by rain

AmarilloRed
08-08-2008, 11:49 PM
Dragons lose 14-3

Soto: 1-5
Waring:1-5
Bour:2-4, 2 doubles
K. Jones: 2-4

Mustangs up 4-0 in the 6th

Arneson: 6 IP, 1 hit, 1 BB, 8 K

Puckett: 2-2, HR
Wiley: 2-2, HR
Konstanty:1-2, double, 2 RBI

Patrick Bateman
08-09-2008, 01:28 AM
when tracking player progression/regression, smaller sample sizes, or "what have you done for me lately" trumps a large sample size.

No, it really doesn't... a small sample size is never a more useful forward indicator. Small samples are too much dependent on luck. Player's can appear to improve based on a fluky couple months (ie. Jerry Hairston), when really they are just in a higher standard deviation for their skillset. Bad players string along success over small samples all the time. There is too much luck in baseball to ever to take a small sample size as gospel.

The question is whether Rosales can keep up this type of play. The normal truth is probably somewhere in between. He wasn't as bad as he was in the first few months, but he's likely not the same player he has been the last few. I'd expect he's somwhere in between, and with his mediocre fielding, that does not project to be a regular. Until he keeps up that type of play for longer periods of time, his ceiling translates as more of an offensive minded utility man (think a more powerful, less contact oriented Jeff Keppinger) that can fill in at multiple positions. The type of guy to be proud of on your bench, but ashamed to be penciling in on an every day basis.

RedlegJake
08-09-2008, 03:58 AM
Actually I expect Rosales to be just about what he was the last 2 months - not as bad as the first month and not as incredible as the current one. Rosales can hit, period. I think his bat will translate very well to the majors but his first year will be ups and downs as he adjusts. I'm not at all afraid of him at third base if it came to that but again, there's the learning curve all over again. What he's not going to do is come up and immediately shine. Besides, as AK points out, his defense is mediocre and that would just perpetuate the same problem we already have with EE at third. Okay bat, suspect defense.

camisadelgolf
08-09-2008, 04:16 AM
I think Rosales translates to be something of a 2005 version of Rich Aurilia. He can play all the infield spots (albeit not great), he's right-handed, and he has a little power. Sure, he'll strike out more, but beyond that, I don't see the two as being all that different from each other.

crazyredfan40
08-09-2008, 06:16 AM
I see Rosales as a utility infield bench type for a couple years, and we use his bat as a pinch hitter...

As for the large sample size, take a look at last years numbers where he was the minor league hitter of the year over Jay Bruce...He had a very bad month in April and I agree that the larger sample size is better to look at but he still isn't that bad and he isn't as good as hit hot month right now, but I think he could bring some much needed pop off the bench at a cheap price...

mth123
08-09-2008, 09:08 AM
I think Rosales translates to be something of a 2005 version of Rich Aurilia. He can play all the infield spots (albeit not great), he's right-handed, and he has a little power. Sure, he'll strike out more, but beyond that, I don't see the two as being all that different from each other.

This is right on and its not bad to have while its cheap. I'd like to see Rosales play in the fall league and get some reps in the OF. Perfect player for a supersub. The Reds have a lot of these types and should realize its a way to salvage a guy who doesn;t turn into a every day player. Then maybe they won;t pay the Freel's of the world $4 Million (which I thought was ok at the time but now I see that its unnecessary and better spent elsewhere).

FTR, I think Valaika is in the same mold and maybe he should be sold off before his value falls from potential every day MI with a decent bat to supersub who doesn't play well enough defensively to hold down a spot every day. Develop Rosales as a supersub, dump Freel if possible, hold the line with Hairston and flip Valaiaka in a deal for a vet to fill a spot.

Rosales and Dickerson give the Reds a couple of fairly cheap but promisong bench options for 2009 and should help the team save some cash for elsewhere. If they show thay can handle a bigger role, all the better.

mace
08-09-2008, 11:38 AM
Rosales doesn't play second and short, does he? He sounds to me like Andy Phillips.

dougdirt
08-09-2008, 12:12 PM
Rosales doesn't play second and short, does he? He sounds to me like Andy Phillips.

He grew up a SS and played there through low A. Then he hurt is elbow and spent time at 1B for the most part. He isn't a SS, but can play there in a pinch

camisadelgolf
08-09-2008, 12:14 PM
Rosales doesn't play second and short, does he? He sounds to me like Andy Phillips.

Actually, he's spent more time playing shortstop than anywhere else. He's spent some more time at second base in Louisville this year, too. I think the Reds might be preparing him for his future utility role.

camisadelgolf
08-09-2008, 12:15 PM
I'm pretty sure I posted before you, dougdirt. I don't know how the message board screwed that one up.

SMcGavin
08-09-2008, 02:55 PM
Maloney: 5 IP, 5 hits, 1 run, 1 ER, 2 BB, 7 K
Herrera:1 1/3 IP, 2 K, 2.08 ERA

1. Does anyone think Maloney is less equipped to handle MLB right now than Homer Bailey?
2. Does anyone think the Reds could use a lefty reliever who strikes out a batter an inning, has good control, has strong groundball tendencies, and never gives up home runs?

dougdirt
08-09-2008, 02:57 PM
1. Does anyone think Maloney is less equipped to handle MLB right now than Homer Bailey?
2. Does anyone think the Reds could use a lefty reliever who strikes out a batter an inning, has good control, has strong groundball tendencies, and never gives up home runs?

I wouldn't say Maloney has strong groundball tendencies.... because he gives up more fly balls than ground balls.

SMcGavin
08-09-2008, 02:58 PM
I wouldn't say Maloney has strong groundball tendencies.... because he gives up more fly balls than ground balls.

Neither would I. Perhaps you should read more carefully.

dougdirt
08-09-2008, 03:10 PM
Neither would I. Perhaps you should read more carefully.

Perhaps? I think its quite clear I should read more carefully.

SMcGavin
08-09-2008, 03:20 PM
Perhaps? I think its quite clear I should read more carefully.

:)

Seriously though Herrera has given up seven home runs in almost 200 professional innings. Makes me sad when the Majewskis and Coffeys of the world get called up before he does.

mace
08-09-2008, 04:21 PM
Chalk me up as another Herrera admirer. I just really like the notion of a guy who offers something different, not to mention the guile implied in the package. Maybe it's because I go back to the Stu Millers of the world. And I'd think it would be especially effective these days, with all the emphasis on smoke-throwing, macho-man relievers.

zjr1717
08-10-2008, 05:20 AM
It might be overkill, but wouldnt we be better off just seeing what guys like rosales, hanigan, herrera, dickerson, and maloney can all do as starters right now. I mean, its not like were in a playoff race or anything.