View Full Version : Why Not Try To Move Phillips To SS!

08-11-2008, 01:13 PM
The rest of the season is to play for 09. It is obvious Keppinger doesn't have the movement to play SS. Alex Gonzalez is suppose to be back in 09, but how well will he play, can you guarantee he will be solid? The free agent market is slim for SS.

The Rays went from one of the worst defensive teams last year to one of the best by switching position players to meet their strengths. Milwaukee moved Braun to LF he went from a bad 3rd basemen to one of the best LF in the national league.

Why not move Kepp to 2nd where he would be much more adequate and Phillips to SS. Right now Kepp isn't hitting so you could have Cabrera and Andy Phillips platoon with Kepp at second. We need to see If we have any interest in keeping Jolbert and Andy as utility players.

I just think the D gets a whole lot better with Brandon at SS Kepp, Cabrera and A Phillips at second. Then when Hairston is healthy he plays CF. Why not pull the trigger on this, what could it hurt to try for a few games and see how it goes? If it fails oh well, that shows us we need to find or make a trade for a SS next year. I just don't think AG is going to cut it and we should release or trade him in the offseason.

What are your thoughts?

08-11-2008, 01:18 PM
Sounds like a good idea.

I think the reasoning behind keeping Phillips at 2B is that he is a gold glove 2B, but just and average SS. Also, the Reds are in a tough position with Gonzo hurt this whole year, and not knowing how good he will be next year. I don't think that they want to move Phillips to SS, then move him back to 2B if Gonzo is healthy.

08-11-2008, 01:19 PM
What about to try and help AGon come back by going the Ripken route and putting him at 3b for a spell during spring training? Granted this is all moot cause the Reds outright refusal to move Phillips from 2b to ss (even when we have 1000 guys on the dl earlier this season).

If Dunn isnt resigned EdE to LF then slide the infield to the right?
2b Kepp/Janish/whoever
ss Phillips
3b Gonzalez

Just a thought.

08-11-2008, 01:49 PM
I'd Rather go out and sign Orlando Hudson if we're moving Phillips to SS.

08-11-2008, 02:00 PM
I would like to see Phillips at ss because we have an abundance of average+ 2b with Hairston, Kepp, Freel, and Valakia on the way, or O-Dog will be a cheap free agent.

Phillips came up as a ss and was moved because the Indians had Omar. He also had to play some 2b in college because Georgia had some guy named Keppinger at ss. This also gives him a chance to get out from under Chase Utley's shadow in the NL because he is not moving anytime soon and Hanley Ramirez may be moved in a year or 2...

I don't like EdE's bat in lf or AGon's bat at 3b. The move I would like to see is Votto to rf. This is because Yonder Alonso will hopefully be signed soon and he can rake at 1b, if he chooses to not sign, Mark Tiexera would be a excellent with his glove and bat!!!

A line up in 2009 of the following would be an upgrade for offense and defense:

1b Alonso or Teixera
2b O-Dog or Keppinger / Hairston / Gonzales (who ever is healthy.)
ss Phillips
3b Encarnacion, he is improving and still just 23...
lf Dunn (resign him now!!!)
cf Bruce
rf Votto (athlete, can't be as bad as Griff)
c Hannigan / free agent or trade. (I like Shoppach from Cleveland)

bench - Hopper, Freel

08-11-2008, 02:29 PM
I was very supportive of the idea when it was first considered a year or two ago. Phillips has a range factor at second base that is eighth in the Major Leagues for second basemen. I don't see that as good enough to cover even more ground at shortstop. That being said, Keppinger is near the bottom of the league for shortstop RF, with Hairston just below average.


Cincinnati Shortstops:
Paul Janish, Cin 30 13 162.1 90 25 62 3 11 .967 4.82 .831
Jerry Hairston Jr., Cin 31 28 245.0 117 54 59 4 15 .966 4.15 .800
Jeff Keppinger, Cin 72 69 591.0 253 85 163 5 42 .980 3.78 .771

median shortstops:
Yuniesky Betancourt, Sea 109 107 957.2 477 170 290 17 75 .964 4.33 .834
Edgar Renteria, Det 103 100 885.0 433 138 285 10 69 .977 4.30 .819

Second Basemen:

Brandon Phillips, Cin 115 115 1015.1 579 248 326 5 63 .991 5.09 .843

MLB average second basemen:
Mark Ellis, Oak 105 104 929.2 523 213 306 4 78 .992 5.03 .884
Kelly Johnson, Atl 105 98 868.2 491 183 297 11 60 .978 4.98 .804

I just don't see the need for the change. With Phillips a little above average at second, I think it would be safe to say he would be a little below average at shortstop. He's such a difference maker, I just don't want to see him being an average player.

08-11-2008, 03:17 PM
Why mess with something that seems to be working?

08-11-2008, 03:36 PM
I would rather play Janish at SS and have 2 great defensive players rather than move Phillips to SS and have two average ones.

08-12-2008, 02:06 AM
I'd be fine with that if Janish could hit. The last thing this line up needs is another week stick. I remember seeing Phillips at short a few years back and he was above average. With a year under his belt, I think he would be just as good there as 2b. I am not big on defensive statistics. Heck the stats above say he is the 8th best in the league. We have nothing to loose at this point in the season or next depending on AGon's health. If he comes back as Alex circa 1999 then Phillips would not miss a beat going back to second.

08-12-2008, 02:11 AM
Alex Gonzalez plays it for one season next year and then Frazier takes over for him the next year and then Waring takes over for him the year after that, and then it will be time to move Frazier to 2nd Base and trade Phillips.