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RedsMan3203
08-13-2008, 12:45 PM
I logged into my old photobucket account the other day and saw this... I just said Wow... Times sure do change in 6 years...

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a53/TigerNEC/rookies_desktop.jpg

Sea Ray
08-13-2008, 01:30 PM
They've both put on way too many lbs since then. I expect some weight to appear in a player's late 20s/early 30s but these guys put on 25-30 lbs before they were 25.

Kearns has really been a disappointment. I recall when they were coming up and we were enjoying Dunn, Adam said "just wait 'till Kearns gets here. He's better than me." I think he was. I don't know if it was that collision with Ray King or just a case of a guy peaking at age 24 but Kearns was supposed to be a perennial All Star.

BuckeyeRedleg
08-13-2008, 01:35 PM
I really don't understand what anyone is talking about regarding Dunn being overweight. I don't see it.

I keep reading it and hearing it on call-in shows from his detractors, but I don't see it.

westofyou
08-13-2008, 01:41 PM
I really don't understand what anyone is talking about regarding Dunn being overweight. I don't see it.

I keep reading it and hearing it on call-in shows from his detractors, but I don't see it.

Gosh we all should look the same as we did at 21.... did you miss the memo?

traderumor
08-13-2008, 01:43 PM
They both had BRM haircuts. That is what went wrong, they let their hair grow.

Raisor
08-13-2008, 01:46 PM
2006
http://imagecache2.allposters.com/images/pic/PHO/AAGZ005_8x10-2006BattingAction~Adam-Dunn-Posters.jpg



2008
http://cache.boston.com/resize/bonzai-fba/AP_Photo/2008/08/11/1218493938_7305/300h.jpg

He's slimmer now.

redsfan30
08-13-2008, 02:16 PM
Austin Kearns is reason enough not to annoit Jay Bruce the savior of the franchise just yet.

Let Bruce develop into it....don't appoint him it.

sonny
08-13-2008, 02:19 PM
OT- i do like those helmets as opposed to the cool-flo ones they wear now. But again, I'm a geek.

MartyFan
08-13-2008, 02:19 PM
I submit further evidence...Remember Brandon Larson?

Tom Servo
08-13-2008, 02:27 PM
We do have two openings in the outfield after this season...


Let's bring 'em back!

bucksfan2
08-13-2008, 02:33 PM
Austin Kearns is reason enough not to annoit Jay Bruce the savior of the franchise just yet.

Let Bruce develop into it....don't appoint him it.

Kearns was a highly thought of prospect that's value to Cincy was inflated because of his local ties. He burst onto the scene but never made the proper adjsutments or his shoulder never regained the form after Ray King.

Dunn on the other hand looked like a HOF in his early career but after the 2002 AS break he never seemed to get back to that early level. Dunn's first half of 02 was unreal; .300 BA, .452 OBP, .544 Slugging. It seemed like the league made some adjustments that Dunn has failed to make.

MWM
08-13-2008, 02:38 PM
Dunn on the other hand looked like a HOF in his early career but after the 2002 AS break he never seemed to get back to that early level. Dunn's first half of 02 was unreal; .300 BA, .452 OBP, .544 Slugging. It seemed like the league made some adjustments that Dunn has failed to make.

My theory, and with some anecdotal evidence to support, is that coaches kept trying to "fix" Adam to get him to stop striking out so much. Every new hitting coach or manager that came in (and there were a lot of them) thought they could "fix" him. Dumbest decision ever.

redsfan30
08-13-2008, 02:41 PM
My theory, and with some anecdotal evidence to support, is that coaches kept trying to "fix" Adam to get him to stop striking out so much. Every new hitting coach or manager that came in (and there were a lot of them) thought they could "fix" him. Dumbest decision ever.

True enough. There were too many cooks in Adam's kitchen so to say over the past seven years.

OnBaseMachine
08-13-2008, 02:46 PM
I remember there being an article back in 2002 talking about Jim Bowden wanting Dunn to start pulling the ball more in order to hit for more power. I thought it was foolish at the time because Dunn was still hitting for power and was hitting up in the .310-.320 range with an OBP in the .460 area and an OPS over 1.000, yet Bowden wanted him to pull the ball more. That doesn't surprise me though considering how awful of a GM Bowden is/was. Dunn was never that same hitter after that. All those different hitting coaches didn't help matters either.

bucksfan2
08-13-2008, 02:56 PM
IIRC there was an article when both were still in the minors predicting future status of the top minor league players. Dunn was predicted as a future HOF and Kearns as a potental All Star and an everyday player in the bigs. It is interesting to look now 8 years later and see where each player stands.

Kearns is a fringe everyday outfielder. If he weren't playing for Jimbo he would have bounced around the league for the past year +.

Dunn on the other hand, if healthy, will put up HOF HR numbers. It will be interesting to see if Dunn hits 500, 550, 600 how people will fell about him.

KronoRed
08-13-2008, 03:06 PM
Dunn on the other hand, if healthy, will put up HOF HR numbers. It will be interesting to see if Dunn hits 500, 550, 600 how people will fell about him.

He struck out too much and never hit .300, also he comitted errors every game and had to be carried out to LF by his team mates

:D

Big Klu
08-13-2008, 03:51 PM
OT- i do like those helmets as opposed to the cool-flo ones they wear now. But again, I'm a geek.

What, you don't like the Klingon helmets with the gills on the sides?! :p::D

(Neither do I.)

Sea Ray
08-13-2008, 04:16 PM
I really don't understand what anyone is talking about regarding Dunn being overweight. I don't see it.

I keep reading it and hearing it on call-in shows from his detractors, but I don't see it.

Well he was listed at 240 lbs when he broke in and now he's listed at 275 on MLB.com. He's not sculpted like Glenn Braggs so I'd say that's not 35 lbs of muscle that he added at the gym. 275 is pretty heavy even if you're 6'6".

BuckeyeRedleg
08-13-2008, 04:26 PM
Listed weights really don't mean anything to me. Adam Dunn doesn't look overweight to me. He is a big guy.

princeton
08-13-2008, 04:31 PM
he looks just like a Texas quarterback, doesn't he?

I mean, I look and I think, "Vince Young"

CTA513
08-13-2008, 04:32 PM
he looks just like a Texas quarterback, doesn't he?

I mean, I look and I think, "Vince Young"

Vince Young wishes he had Dunns speed.

:p:

RosieRed
08-13-2008, 04:46 PM
I logged into my old photobucket account the other day and saw this... I just said Wow... Times sure do change in 6 years...


I still have one of those huge "A-Team" posters of Dunn, Kearns and A. Boone.

WVRedsFan
08-13-2008, 06:48 PM
Off topic, for sure, but...

I miss those uniforms. What we have now look like ice cream suits. and the old style piping around the collar and down the buttons is so last year. No style for this club. I've decided it's the uniforms...

RedEye
08-13-2008, 08:04 PM
Off topic, for sure, but...

I miss those uniforms. What we have now look like ice cream suits. and the old style piping around the collar and down the buttons is so last year. No style for this club. I've decided it's the uniforms...

Totally with you on the uniforms. They are pretty bland. Problem is, even when the Reds try to be cutting edge by doing the retro thing, we end up with something equally putrid.

http://reds.enquirer.com/img/photos/062397deion_400x488.jpg

Blech. I almost wish they'd go back to the '80's... it's time for that look again, I think.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f5/Eric_davis.jpg

GAC
08-13-2008, 08:24 PM
They've both put on way too many lbs since then. I expect some weight to appear in a player's late 20s/early 30s but these guys put on 25-30 lbs before they were 25.

They could be doing NutriSystem commercials with Golic. ;)

And no regrets on Kearns at all.

If people are going to say they are glad Dunn is gone because of "holes in his game", then how can they defend an Austin Kearns?

redsfan30
08-13-2008, 10:29 PM
If people are going to say they are glad Dunn is gone because of "holes in his game", then how can they defend an Austin Kearns?

I know Redszone puts players who have come up through our own system on a pedistal, but the love thrown around for Austin Kearns even still to this day boggles my mind.

Try these numbers out for size:

Austin Kearns 2008- .221/.308/.317 with 6 homers and 30 RBI at $5 million.

Corey Patterson 2008- .197/.227/.348 with 9 homers and 21 RBI at $3 million.

Austin Kearns is not a good player. Period. If the Reds signed a player with Kearns' numbers at Kearns' salary from outside the organization there would be a 20 page thread calling for Walt Jocketty's head.

Awhile back I remember reading a number of posters saying they'd love to bring Austin back into the fold for 2009 even at the inflated salary he'll be due (can't remember what he's due to make next year). This is just foolishness. Yes, he can play a pretty good defensive outfield, but come on now.

Spitball
08-14-2008, 12:55 AM
We do have two openings in the outfield after this season...


I'd love to resign Dunn, but I doubt very much that will ever happen. Jocketty has designed World Series participants by signing or trading for "bounce around guys" like Reggie Sanders, Preston Wilson, and Juan Encarnacion. I believe he will have little trouble finding a couple of outfielders.

WVRedsFan
08-14-2008, 01:01 AM
I'd love to resign Dunn, but I doubt very much that will ever happen. Jocketty has designed World Series participants by signing or trading for "bounce around guys" like Reggie Sanders, Preston Wilson, and Juan Encarnacion. I believe he will have little trouble finding a couple of outfielders.

And I agree. Dunn and Griffey were not Jocketty-type ball players. Dunn was going to be too expensive and Griffey was not producing (at least in Walt's eyes). In fact, I don't think anyone is off limits if he thinks he can better the club and that includes Votto, Phillips, Encarnacion, and Bruce. The right deal for any of them will go down. The one who I look to not be around next year is Edwin. In fact, I think it's likely.

TeamBoone
08-14-2008, 12:39 PM
I hate those uniforms of the 80's; always have... even in the 80's.

I like the sleeveless, vest-like jerseys and think they would allow the players more freedom, whether in the field or at the plate. In fact, that little thing Jay Bruce does before he bats is because he once caught his elbow in the sleeve. Now he always pushes it up to make sure it doesn't happen again. Not a problem if there are no sleeves.