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Red in Chicago
08-13-2008, 06:33 PM
Cincinnati Reds
1 J. Cabrera LF
2 J. Keppinger SS
3 J. Bruce CF
4 B. Phillips 2B
5 E. Encarnacion 3B
6 A. Phillips 1B
7 C. Patterson CF
8 R. Hanigan C
9 J. Fogg P

Pittsburgh Pirates
1 F. Sanchez 2b
2 D. Mientkiewicz 1B
3 N. McLouth CF
4 R. Doumit C
5 A. LaRoche 3B
6 B. Moss LF
7 J. Michaels RF
8 J. Rivas SS
9 P. Maholm P

oneupper
08-13-2008, 07:50 PM
Corey gets the start over Dickerson against the lefty.
Anyone surprised?

redsfan30
08-13-2008, 07:50 PM
Ok, this is my very first lineup complaint in the six-ish years I've been here....

There is absolutley no reason Chris Dickerson should not be back in the lineup and leading off.

OnBaseMachine
08-13-2008, 07:51 PM
Corey gets the start over Dickerson against the lefty.
Anyone surprised?

I don't mind that much because Dickerson struggles against lefties but what ticks me off is guys like Cabrera, Keppinger, and Andy Phillips continue to play over Adam Rosales.

OnBaseMachine
08-13-2008, 07:53 PM
Judging from the interviews and articles written on Dickerson, he's a very smart dude and a nice guy.

nate
08-13-2008, 08:06 PM
Chat is open!

lollipopcurve
08-13-2008, 08:08 PM
Why are Rosales and Dickerson on the bench in favor of Andy Phillips and Cory Patterson?

Really, what is the point?

Why go bad when you can go young?

OnBaseMachine
08-13-2008, 08:09 PM
Keppinger singles after swinging at a terrible 3-1 pitch before that.

WVRedsFan
08-13-2008, 08:11 PM
I saw that DP coming.

nate
08-13-2008, 08:12 PM
I saw that DP coming.

I wasn't expecting it until the next batter!

;)

OnBaseMachine
08-13-2008, 08:13 PM
I hate watching Josh Fogg pitch.

Spring~Fields
08-13-2008, 08:14 PM
The lineup Baker never gives it a rest. Seasons over, 42 games left, a good chance to look at various players and Patterson is still king........auditioning for next year.

_Sir_Charles_
08-13-2008, 08:14 PM
I don't mind that much because Dickerson struggles against lefties but what ticks me off is guys like Cabrera, Keppinger, and Andy Phillips continue to play over Adam Rosales.

Exactly. Dickerson sitting is fine, in fact I even like Dusty's reasoning behind it....per Fay: "Chris Dickerson won't play against all left-handers. He hit .300 vs. RHP and .247 against LHP at Louisville. "I'm trying to protect him some and keep his confidence," Dusty Baker said. "You want to put him in a position to succeed. He'll play tomorrow."

But what's Adam got to do to get a start? Sheesh! Does anybody seriously believe that Andy Phillips or Jolbert Cabrera have more of a future with the Reds than Rosales does? Not a chance.

WVRedsFan
08-13-2008, 08:14 PM
I wasn't expecting it until the next batter!

;)

Heh.

I knew Bruce's impatience would result in him swinging at something he couldn't drive resulting in a ground ball, but I agree. It might have happened with the next batter, too.

OnBaseMachine
08-13-2008, 08:17 PM
That pitch Bruce swung at was a strike. If he takes it it's strike three.

Spring~Fields
08-13-2008, 08:20 PM
"I'm trying to protect him some and keep his confidence," Dusty Baker said.


Cincinnati Inning Summary

- B. Phillips flied out to right
- E. Encarnacion struck out swinging
- A. Phillips grounded out to third
- End of Inning (0 Runs, 0 Hits, 0 Errors)

Spring~Fields
08-13-2008, 08:31 PM
Pittsburgh Inning Summary

- A. LaRoche grounded out to third
- B. Moss grounded out to second
- J. Michaels singled to left
- L. Rivas lined out to left center
- End of Inning (0 Runs, 1 Hit, 0 Errors)

Bob Borkowski
08-13-2008, 08:31 PM
No score after 2.

Tom Servo
08-13-2008, 08:33 PM
Patterson homers.

WVRedsFan
08-13-2008, 08:33 PM
Corey's back.. CF forever!

Spring~Fields
08-13-2008, 08:34 PM
Homerun Patterson.............1-0 Reds..........contract extension :D

Tom Servo
08-13-2008, 08:34 PM
Lousy Heartbreak Kid Jason Michaels robs Hanigan.

CTA513
08-13-2008, 08:34 PM
Homerun Patterson.............1-0 Reds..........contract extension :D

The 5 year extention will be announced after the season is over.

:cool:

MrCinatit
08-13-2008, 08:38 PM
I have a bit of a Harvey Dent complex when it comes to Patterson.
As he is a Red, I want to see him succeed to help the ball club. Seeing the home run was a good thing for that side.
But, on the other side, part of me knows that the home run presents the chance that he will be continually seen by at least Dusty as the center field answer.

Spring~Fields
08-13-2008, 08:38 PM
Cincinnati Inning Summary

- C. Patterson homered to deep right center
- R. Hanigan lined out to right center
- J. Fogg grounded out to third
- J. Cabrera struck out swinging
- End of Inning (1 Run, 1 Hit, 0 Errors)

Spring~Fields
08-13-2008, 08:40 PM
I have a bit of a Harvey Dent complex when it comes to Patterson.
As he is a Red, I want to see him succeed to help the ball club. Seeing the home run was a good thing for that side.
But, on the other side, part of me knows that the home run presents the chance that he will be continually seen by at least Dusty as the center field answer.

My only regret is that he did not bat down in the six or seven hole all year, where his stats have indicated that he can hit like he has been down there.

Batting #6 188 AB .303 .335 .426 .761
Batting #7 316 AB .272 .320 .475 .795

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/splits?playerId=4239&type=batting3

GAC
08-13-2008, 08:41 PM
Corey gets the start over Dickerson against the lefty.
Anyone surprised?

And stakes Fogg to an early 1-0 lead with his 8th Hr.

He'll be here in '09. Anyone wanna wager? ;)

Spring~Fields
08-13-2008, 08:44 PM
Pittsburgh Inning Summary

- P. Maholm flied out to left
- F. Sanchez flied out to deep center
- D. Mientkiewicz grounded out to second
- End of Inning (0 Runs, 0 Hits, 0 Errors)

Spring~Fields
08-13-2008, 08:45 PM
And stakes Fogg to an early 1-0 lead with his 8th Hr.

He'll be here in '09. Anyone wanna wager? ;)

No way would I bet against him and Bako being here.

_Sir_Charles_
08-13-2008, 08:48 PM
Kepp with his second single of the game 2 for 2. Hopefully this is the beginning of him breaking out of the post injury slump.

puca
08-13-2008, 08:49 PM
The 5 year extention will be announced after the season is over.

:cool:

You mean after the wedding.

WVRedsFan
08-13-2008, 08:50 PM
Another gb dp by Bruce.

Just bunt him next time...

Matt700wlw
08-13-2008, 08:50 PM
Patterson homers.

That should excite me.....but instead it scares me :)

Spring~Fields
08-13-2008, 08:51 PM
Cincinnati Inning Summary

- J. Keppinger singled to left
- J. Bruce grounded into double play second to shortstop to first, J. Keppinger out at second
- B. Phillips flied out to center
- End of Inning (0 Runs, 1 Hit, 0 Errors)

GAC
08-13-2008, 08:54 PM
No way would I bet against him and Bako being here.

Bako will be here because from what I've read he's good with young catchers. He'll be a cheap "mentor" to Hanigan.

I offer no excuses if Corey is here in '08. I'll defer that to Walt's "advisors". ;)


Chat is open :beerme:

Spring~Fields
08-13-2008, 08:56 PM
Bako will be here because from what I've read he's good with young catchers. He'll be a cheap "mentor" to Hanigan.

I offer no excuses if Corey is here in '08. I'll defer that to Walt's "advisors". ;)


No public comment or response will be forth coming, I reserve the right to send you an email though on the URGENT matter.........:D

Bob Borkowski
08-13-2008, 08:58 PM
After 4 full innings, Reds still lead 1-ZIP.

RedsManRick
08-13-2008, 08:59 PM
It's amazing how effective a pitcher with mediocre stuff can be when he hits his spots.

Spring~Fields
08-13-2008, 08:59 PM
Pittsburgh 4th Inning Summary

- N. McLouth grounded out to second
- R. Doumit grounded out to first
- A. LaRoche struck out looking
- End of Inning (0 Runs, 0 Hits, 0 Errors)


J. Fogg 4.0 2 0 0 0 1 0 7.47

P. Maholm 4.0 3 1 1 0 2 1 3.73


Pitches-strikes - J Fogg 50-34; P Maholm 48-35.

Ground balls-fly balls - J Fogg 6-5; P Maholm 6-4.

Batters faced - J Fogg 14; P Maholm 13.

mbgrayson
08-13-2008, 09:00 PM
Thru 4 innings: Reds 1, Pirates 0

Fogg 50 pitches, 34 strikes.
Maholm 48 pitches, 34 strikes.

PuffyPig
08-13-2008, 09:00 PM
I wonder what the chances of Patterson geting a hit and not having even one post saying something like "contract extension" or "he'll never be taken out now" ?

I'd say 0%, because I doubt it has ever happened.

I think it speaks volumes about the originality on the game threads.

Spring~Fields
08-13-2008, 09:03 PM
It's amazing how effective a pitcher with mediocre stuff can be when he hits his spots.

It is amazing at times, how they can pitch quite well when they have the location going for them, several of them do.

Does it effect the batters timing, or do they just fool the batters on those nights ?

Spring~Fields
08-13-2008, 09:05 PM
I wonder what the chances of Patterson geting a hit and not having even one post saying something like "contract extension" or "he'll never be taken out now" ?

I'd say 0%, because I doubt it has ever happened.

I think it speaks volumes about the originality on the game threads.

:lol::lol::lol:

Spring~Fields
08-13-2008, 09:06 PM
Cincinnati Inning Summary

- E. Encarnacion struck out swinging
- A. Phillips grounded out to shortstop
- C. Patterson grounded out to second
- End of Inning (0 Runs, 0 Hits, 0 Errors)

CTA513
08-13-2008, 09:09 PM
2-1 Pirates

After Fogg gives up a 2-run homer to Michaels

OnBaseMachine
08-13-2008, 09:10 PM
Josh Fogg is awful. Moss doubles and Michaels homers. Fogg may actually be worse than Jimmy Haynes.

WVRedsFan
08-13-2008, 09:10 PM
Well, it had to happen sooner or later. Josh will give up some runs.

OnBaseMachine
08-13-2008, 09:11 PM
And now a four pitch walk to the great Luis Rivas.

Spring~Fields
08-13-2008, 09:12 PM
Josh Fogg is awful. Moss doubles and Michaels homers. Fogg may actually be worse than Jimmy Haynes.

OBM, you're going to have to find us someone at Louisville to replace #5 :)

MrCinatit
08-13-2008, 09:18 PM
I still cannot get over the Aflack trivia answer: The pitcher with the most wins in PNC Park is our very own Josh Fogg.
That alone speaks volumes about the recent history of the Pirates.

_Sir_Charles_
08-13-2008, 09:19 PM
Fogg is horrible? Ummm...he's allowed 4 hits and 2 runs in 5 innings. That's far from a poor outing. In fact I'd say he's been pretty damned good tonight. But it's pretty obvious he's running out of gas. As long as you're not expecting 7 or 8 innings out of him, he's holding his own. Once he reaches five innings, you've got to have a quick hook. If there is more damage this inning, it's Dusty's fault IMO. He should've been pulled after the 4 pitch walk.

OnBaseMachine
08-13-2008, 09:21 PM
Fogg is horrible? Ummm...he's allowed 4 hits and 2 runs in 5 innings. That's far from a poor outing. In fact I'd say he's been pretty damned good tonight.

Yeah he's horrible. He entered tonight with a 7.98 ERA. Dude has always been horrible.

Meanwhile Jeff Keppinger allows a two out single. He is not a shortstop.

RedsManRick
08-13-2008, 09:22 PM
Bloop to short LF falls in. EE gave up on it. Keppinger was pouting before the play was over. And Fogg stood and watched from the mound as Rivas went to 3B. Looks like a team that doesn't care terribly much anymore.

Kc61
08-13-2008, 09:22 PM
Shortstop needs to catch that.

GAC
08-13-2008, 09:22 PM
Josh Fogg is awful. Moss doubles and Michaels homers. Fogg may actually be worse than Jimmy Haynes.

We know he's awful; but if you can get 5 innings and only 2 runs out of him, then take it and be thankful. ;)

_Sir_Charles_
08-13-2008, 09:23 PM
Another walk after a bloop single. What is Dusty waiting for? Sheesh.

Spring~Fields
08-13-2008, 09:24 PM
Come on we need an out here

GAC
08-13-2008, 09:24 PM
Fogg Is Awful! :p:

Spring~Fields
08-13-2008, 09:24 PM
Doumit 2 run double

- B. Moss doubled to deep right
- J. Michaels homered to deep left, B. Moss scored
- L. Rivas walked
- P. Maholm struck out bunting foul
- F. Sanchez flied out to right
- D. Mientkiewicz singled to shallow left, L. Rivas to third
- D. Mientkiewicz to second
- R. Doumit ground rule double to deep right, D. Mientkiewicz and L. Rivas scored, N. McLouth to third

Majewski to relieve.

CTA513
08-13-2008, 09:25 PM
Fogg is lucky that was only a 2 run double and not a grand slam.

_Sir_Charles_
08-13-2008, 09:26 PM
Yeah he's horrible. He entered tonight with a 7.98 ERA. Dude has always been horrible.

Meanwhile Jeff Keppinger allows a two out single. He is not a shortstop.

I meant TONIGHT. Overall, yeah, he's far from a starter IMO. A decent long man out of the pen...sure. Starter, nope. But until this inning, he's been pretty darned good. Had Dusty pulled him after the post HR walk, this inning could've been well under control.....as I speak...groundrule double....4-1 Bucs.

Kc61
08-13-2008, 09:26 PM
Here's a second guess. A lefty should have pitched to the lefty hitter there. Trying to get Fogg through five innings cost the Reds, probably took them out of the game.

OnBaseMachine
08-13-2008, 09:26 PM
Two runs have already scored after Keppinger failed to catch a routine pop out. Hopefully Walt is watching.

I continue to wonder how in the heck Fogg has a job.

GAC
08-13-2008, 09:27 PM
Here's a second guess. A lefty should have pitched to the lefty hitter there. Trying to get Fogg through five innings cost the Reds, probably took them out of the game.

It's all part of the greater plan Kc.

Even Patton needed a plan at Gettysburg. ;)

WVRedsFan
08-13-2008, 09:27 PM
Probably won't make any difference. Reds probably have all the runs they are going to get tonight.

lollipopcurve
08-13-2008, 09:27 PM
Still a 2-1 game if Keppinger gets to that bloop, a ball a major league SS has to get to.

Spring~Fields
08-13-2008, 09:27 PM
Fogg is lucky that was only a 2 run double and not a grand slam.

yes,
we are too.

_Sir_Charles_
08-13-2008, 09:28 PM
Wow, Majewski isn't even CLOSE to the zone.

WVRedsFan
08-13-2008, 09:29 PM
How long with the Reds put up with Majewski? Wayne is gone. There is no reason to continue to try to justify the trade.

RBA
08-13-2008, 09:29 PM
Wow, Majewski isn't even CLOSE to the zone.


Were you expecting he would be?

PuffyPig
08-13-2008, 09:30 PM
Fogg is horrible? Ummm...he's allowed 4 hits and 2 runs in 5 innings. That's far from a poor outing. In fact I'd say he's been pretty damned good tonight. But it's pretty obvious he's running out of gas. As long as you're not expecting 7 or 8 innings out of him, he's holding his own. Once he reaches five innings, you've got to have a quick hook. If there is more damage this inning, it's Dusty's fault IMO. He should've been pulled after the 4 pitch walk.

You may have jumped the gun.

He never did get to 5 innings, and his runs are growing by the second, 4 now and counting, he's lucky it's not 6 yet.

If a starter can't get to 5 innings without giving up a ton of runs....well, that's considered something other than "pretty damned good".

OnBaseMachine
08-13-2008, 09:30 PM
The two worst pitchers on the staff have pitched tonight in Fogg and Majewski.

Spring~Fields
08-13-2008, 09:31 PM
How long with the Reds put up with Majewski? Wayne is gone. There is no reason to continue to try to justify the trade.

If I was King, Majewski and Fogg would have been gone long ago.

_Sir_Charles_
08-13-2008, 09:32 PM
You may have jumped the gun.

He never did get to 5 innings, and his runs are growing by the second, 4 now and counting, he's lucky it's not 6 yet.

If a starter can't get to 5 innings without giving up a ton of runs....well, that's considered something other than "pretty damned good".

That's my point though. He's not a starter. He's being misused. He has also been left in too long. It was pretty obvious after a 2b, hr and a 4 pitch walk that he should've been yanked. His final line is far worse than it should've been.

OnBaseMachine
08-13-2008, 09:32 PM
As awful as Fogg pitched, this would still be a 2-1 game after five innings if the Reds had just an average major league SS.

WVRedsFan
08-13-2008, 09:32 PM
That inning was caused by not making a play at shortstop. It should be 2-1.

Spring~Fields
08-13-2008, 09:33 PM
Pittsburgh 6th Inning Summary

- B. Moss doubled to deep right
- J. Michaels homered to deep left, B. Moss scored
- L. Rivas walked
- P. Maholm struck out bunting foul
- F. Sanchez flied out to right
- D. Mientkiewicz singled to shallow left, L. Rivas to third
- D. Mientkiewicz to second
- R. Doumit ground rule double to deep right, D. Mientkiewicz and L. Rivas scored, N. McLouth to third
- G. Majewski relieved J. Fogg
- A. LaRoche walked
- B. Moss flied out to left center
- End of Inning (4 Runs, 4 Hits, 0 Errors)

Pirates 4 Reds 1

PuffyPig
08-13-2008, 09:33 PM
Here's a second guess. A lefty should have pitched to the lefty hitter there. Trying to get Fogg through five innings cost the Reds, probably took them out of the game.

I doubt you can be thinking about taking out your starter in the 5th inning of a meaningless game down 2-1 to get a LH/LH matchup.

Matt700wlw
08-13-2008, 09:33 PM
I leave the thread for 10 minutes and everything is now out of hand... :nono:

_Sir_Charles_
08-13-2008, 09:34 PM
Were you expecting he would be?

Yeah, I was. He gives up hits but he's not known for walking a ton. He hits the zone...just with pretty mediocre stuff. He wasn't just out of the zone, he was out of the area code that inning.

Spring~Fields
08-13-2008, 09:35 PM
I leave the thread for 10 minutes and everything is now out of hand... :nono:

Now we know who to blame ;)

HokieRed
08-13-2008, 09:35 PM
Wouldn't worry too much about the plan. I think there aren't too many days left until Majewski and Fogg are gone and Keppinger is back to being what he should be: a nice backup.

Spring~Fields
08-13-2008, 09:37 PM
Wouldn't worry too much about the plan. I think there aren't too many days left until Majewski and Fogg are gone and Keppinger is back to being what he should be: a nice backup.

But this game tonight is pushing the frustration meter upward........

OnBaseMachine
08-13-2008, 09:37 PM
Andy LaRoche robs Rosales of a double down the line. Hilarious. Anyone notice how scrub defensive players always make gold glove caliber plays against the Reds?

_Sir_Charles_
08-13-2008, 09:38 PM
Andy LaRoche robs Rosales of a double down the line. Hilarious. Anyone notice how scrub defensive players always make gold glove caliber plays against the Reds?

Scrub defensive players? Andy LaRoche has a GREAT glove. His bat is pretty ordinary, but the kid can flash the leather.

That being said, yep, Rosales and Hanigan both got robbed tonight.

Spring~Fields
08-13-2008, 09:39 PM
Cincinnati Inning Summary

- R. Hanigan struck out looking
- A. Rosales hit for G. Majewski
- A. Rosales grounded out to third
- J. Cabrera singled to center
- J. Keppinger lined out to second
- End of Inning (0 Runs, 1 Hit, 0 Errors)

Rosales is a shortstop isn't he ?

OnBaseMachine
08-13-2008, 09:40 PM
Scrub defensive players? Andy LaRoche has a GREAT glove. His bat is pretty ordinary, but the kid can flash the leather.

That being said, yep, Rosales and Hanigan both got robbed tonight.

You've got it backwards. LaRoche's bat is supposed to be very good while his glove is considered to be average at best.

_Sir_Charles_
08-13-2008, 09:41 PM
Rosales can play all 4 infield slots. He projects to be a thirdbaseman though. His range isn't exceptional....but he does have a nice arm.

_Sir_Charles_
08-13-2008, 09:42 PM
You've got it backwards. LaRoche's bat is supposed to be very good while his glove is considered to be average at best.

You're thinking Adam LaRoche I think. Andy was brought up for his glove and they're hoping his bat will be good enough to keep him there. His range isn't great which is why he was moved from SS to 3B, but his glove and arm are very good.

Spring~Fields
08-13-2008, 09:43 PM
Rosales can play all 4 infield slots. He projects to be a thirdbaseman though. His range isn't exceptional....but he does have a nice arm.

Thank you,

I thought that he was versatile.

OnBaseMachine
08-13-2008, 09:44 PM
You're thinking Adam LaRoche I think. Andy was brought up for his glove and they're hoping his bat will be good enough to keep him there.

No I'm thinking of Andy LaRoche, acquired from the Dodgers in the Bay deal. His bat is considered to be very good while his defense is average at best.

Spring~Fields
08-13-2008, 09:44 PM
J. Affeldt relieved G. Majewski

puca
08-13-2008, 09:44 PM
Rosales can play all 4 infield slots. He projects to be a thirdbaseman though. His range isn't exceptional....but he does have a nice arm.

He sounds like a catcher to me

Spring~Fields
08-13-2008, 09:46 PM
Pittsburgh Inning Summary

- J. Affeldt relieved G. Majewski
- J. Michaels flied out to right
- L. Rivas struck out swinging
- P. Maholm struck out looking
- End of Inning (0 Runs, 0 Hits, 0 Errors)

Due up for the Reds

J. Bruce
B. Phillips
E. Encarnacion

BuckeyeRedleg
08-13-2008, 09:46 PM
Uhh, Affeldt dialing it up there to the tune of 95, 97, 96, and 96 last 4 pitches.


Is that gun right tonight?

Wow.

BuckeyeRedleg
08-13-2008, 09:47 PM
I think Affeldt's a keeper.

OnBaseMachine
08-13-2008, 09:48 PM
Bruce with a long homerun makes it 4-2!

#12 for Bruce.

Spring~Fields
08-13-2008, 09:48 PM
Bruce

Homerun :)

_Sir_Charles_
08-13-2008, 09:49 PM
No I'm thinking of Andy LaRoche, acquired from the Dodgers in the Bay deal. His bat is considered to be very good while his defense is average at best.

Okay. Well I guess we've heard differing reports. All the reports I've read say otherwise...same from my conversations with my Pirate-fan friends. From watching him (about 4 times now) he seems to be a VERY good defensive player. But I'm far from an expert on Minor League players (or shortly removed).

Oh, and by the way....BRUUUUUUUUUUCE! :O)

PuffyPig
08-13-2008, 09:51 PM
That's my point though. He's not a starter. He's being misused. He has also been left in too long.

Fogg has been a starter his whole career.

He's not a guy who blows hitters away for a few innings and then struggles. He's just not very good.

You can argue he should be used, but he hasn't been misused.

Spring~Fields
08-13-2008, 09:52 PM
Ground rule double Andy Phillips.

HokieRed
08-13-2008, 09:54 PM
Now we have a choice: we can wish for another dinger and a tie ball game from CP--knowing this will mean he plays every day for the rest of the season--or we can hope he goes quietly and we take our chances again next inning.

Spring~Fields
08-13-2008, 09:55 PM
Cincinnati Inning Summary

- J. Bruce homered to deep right center
- B. Phillips grounded out to pitcher
- E. Encarnacion flied out to deep center
- A. Phillips ground rule double to right
- C. Patterson grounded out to pitcher
- End of Inning (1 Run, 2 Hits, 0 Errors)

4-2 Pirates going to the bottom of the 7th

oneupper
08-13-2008, 09:57 PM
Now we have a choice: we can wish for another dinger and a tie ball game from CP--knowing this will mean he plays every day for the rest of the season--or we can hope he goes quietly and we take our chances again next inning.

CP has had plenty of chances to play himself out of that spot already. If he hasn't its because it wont happen. Just root for the team and don't think too much. :).

_Sir_Charles_
08-13-2008, 09:57 PM
Fogg has been a starter his whole career.

He's not a guy who blows hitters away for a few innings and then struggles. He's just not very good.

You can argue he should be used, but he hasn't been misused.

Yes, I know he has been. Wow, I'm just not typing clearly or something tonight. :O) Sorry. He SHOULD be used as a long man out of the pen. He SHOULD have been pulled after the 4 pitch walk. With the injuries and such to our staff right now, I have no problem with them using him as a starter...but he should be watched VERY closely when he's in there. He tends to lose his stuff after 4 or 5 innings....well, maybe not his 'stuff' but rather his concentration.

Spring~Fields
08-13-2008, 10:03 PM
Pittsburgh 7th Inning Summary

- F. Sanchez flied out to deep center
- D. Mientkiewicz grounded out to pitcher
- N. McLouth singled to center
- R. Doumit flied out to center
- End of Inning (0 Runs, 1 Hit, 0 Errors)

Due up for the Reds

R. Hanigan
J. Affeldt
J. Cabrera



J. Fogg 4.2 6 4 4 2 2 1 7.96
G. Majewski 0.1 0 0 0 1 0 0 4.60
J. Affeldt 2.0 1 0 0 0 2 0 3.55


P. Maholm 7.0 6 2 2 0 4 2 3.71


Pitches-strikes - J Fogg 83-48; G Majewski 11-4; J Affeldt 25-17; P Maholm 88-63.

Ground balls-fly balls - J Fogg 6-6; G Majewski 0-1; J Affeldt 1-3; P Maholm 11-6.

Batters faced - J Fogg 22; G Majewski 2; J Affeldt 7; P Maholm 25.

HokieRed
08-13-2008, 10:03 PM
I've no "shoulds" about Fogg except one: once Louisville's season is over, we should not have to watch him any longer. Period.

Spring~Fields
08-13-2008, 10:06 PM
Hairston base hit

Kc61
08-13-2008, 10:06 PM
Hairston with a one out single. Wouldn't mind seeing Jerry back in the lineup.

_Sir_Charles_
08-13-2008, 10:07 PM
I've no "shoulds" about Fogg except one: once Louisville's season is over, we should not have to watch him any longer. Period.

LOL. Hard to argue with that. Only one thing to say about that is this...he's already getting paid, and we're already pushing Volquez & Cueto farther than they're used to...so if we don't have capable people ready to pick up some innings from Louisville...then I say we keep him around to eat innings. Will we lose those games? Sure, but I'd rather not risk our real pitchers' arms in a lost season.

Spring~Fields
08-13-2008, 10:08 PM
Cincinnati Inning Summary

- R. Hanigan struck out swinging
- J. Hairston Jr. hit for J. Affeldt
- J. Hairston Jr. singled to center
- J. Cabrera grounded into double play third to second to first, J. Hairston Jr. out at second
- End of Inning (0 Runs, 1 Hit, 0 Errors)


R H E

Cincinnati 2 7 0

Pittsburgh 4 7 0

HokieRed
08-13-2008, 10:08 PM
Anybody got Maholm's lifetime against us? Maybe I'm just imagining it, but he seems to give us fits every time we face him.

_Sir_Charles_
08-13-2008, 10:09 PM
Has Rosales gotten to play defense in the bigs yet? I don't recall seeing him in anything but pinchhitting roles so far.

Bob Borkowski
08-13-2008, 10:10 PM
4-2 Bucs, going to bottom of the 8th.

Spring~Fields
08-13-2008, 10:10 PM
Has Rosales gotten to play defense in the bigs yet? I don't recall seeing him in anything but pinchhitting roles so far.

I don't think so.

HokieRed
08-13-2008, 10:12 PM
2 things.
1. Rosales should get a start.
2. I'm hoping Livingston will take up some of those Sept. innings--agree completely that priority number one is to keep the innings down on Cueto and Volquez.

CTA513
08-13-2008, 10:12 PM
5-2 Pirates after Moss homers.

Now the Reds need 3 more solo shots to tie the game.

Spring~Fields
08-13-2008, 10:14 PM
Looking forward to the ninth for the Reds

Due up
J. Keppinger
J. Bruce
B. Phillips

_Sir_Charles_
08-13-2008, 10:15 PM
2 things.
1. Rosales should get a start.
2. I'm hoping Livingston will take up some of those Sept. innings--agree completely that priority number one is to keep the innings down on Cueto and Volquez.

Good point about Livingston. I forgot about him. He's been throwing the ball very well lately.

His last outting (on the 10th I believe)...."Bobby Livingston went 7 shutout innings, walked 2, allowed 5 hits and he struck out 6."~per Doug's site.

Kc61
08-13-2008, 10:15 PM
2 things.
1. Rosales should get a start.
2. I'm hoping Livingston will take up some of those Sept. innings--agree completely that priority number one is to keep the innings down on Cueto and Volquez.


I'm just guessing that Rosales will go back to AAA when Votto returns. The Reds called up Hanigan and Dickerson for the rest of the season IMO. But Rosales came up, I'd guess, for a short time to replace Votto on the roster.

I'm not sure Rosales has had the sustained success at AAA as yet.

Spring~Fields
08-13-2008, 10:16 PM
Pittsburgh Inning Summary

- M. Lincoln relieved J. Affeldt
- A. LaRoche grounded out to second
- B. Moss homered to deep center
- J. Michaels grounded out to third
- L. Rivas grounded out to pitcher
- End of Inning (1 Run, 1 Hit, 0 Errors)

Through eight
5-2 Pirates

Spring~Fields
08-13-2008, 10:17 PM
J. Grabow relieved P. Maholm

Spring~Fields
08-13-2008, 10:19 PM
J. Keppinger grounded out to third
J. Bruce flied out to center
Phillips flys out

game over

5-2 Pirates.

_Sir_Charles_
08-13-2008, 10:23 PM
I'm just guessing that Rosales will go back to AAA when Votto returns. The Reds called up Hanigan and Dickerson for the rest of the season IMO. But Rosales came up, I'd guess, for a short time to replace Votto on the roster.

I'm not sure Rosales has had the sustained success at AAA as yet.

That wouldn't surprise me, but I hope you're wrong. His stats at Louisville have earned him a shot IMO though.

112 games / 409 ab's / 64 r / 115 h / 28 2b / 10 hr / 53 rbi / 22 bb / 78 k's / 6 sb / 1 cs / .281 batting av. / .335 obp / .457 slg / .792 ops

That's more than solid enough to warrent a good long look at him the rest of the year IMO.

Spring~Fields
08-13-2008, 10:27 PM
R H E
Cincinnati 2 7 0
Pitts 5 8 0


Scoring Summary
Top 3rd: Cincinnati
- C. Patterson homered to deep right center


Bot 5th: Pittsburgh
- J. Michaels homered to deep left, B. Moss scored

- R. Doumit ground rule double to deep right, D. Mientkiewicz and L. Rivas scored, N. McLouth to third


Top 7th: Cincinnati - J. Bruce homered to deep right center


Bot 8th: Pittsburgh - B. Moss homered to deep center

Cincinnati Batting
2B - A Phillips (3, P Maholm).

HR - C Patterson (8, 3rd inning off P Maholm 0 on, 0 Out), J Bruce (12, 7th inning off P Maholm 0 on, 0 Out).

RBI - C Patterson (20), J Bruce (33).

Runners left in scoring position, 2 out - C Patterson 1.

GIDP - J Bruce 2, J Cabrera.

Team LOB - 2.

Batting Pittsburgh
2B - N McLouth (38, J Fogg); B Moss (3, J Fogg); R Doumit (26, J Fogg).

HR - J Michaels (8, 5th inning off J Fogg 1 on, 0 Out), B Moss (2, 8th inning off M Lincoln 0 on, 1 Out).

RBI - J Michaels 2 (36), R Doumit 2 (45), B Moss (5).

2-out RBI - R Doumit 2.

Runners left in scoring position, 2 out - R Doumit 1, B Moss 2.

Team LOB - 6.

Fielding
DP - 3 (F Sanchez-L Rivas-D Mientkiewicz 2, An LaRoche-F Sanchez-D Mientkiewicz).



J. Fogg 4.2 6 4 4 2 2 1 7.96 (L, 2-5)
G. Majewski 0.1 0 0 0 1 0 0 4.60
J. Affeldt 2.0 1 0 0 0 2 0 3.55
M. Lincoln 1.0 1 1 1 0 0 1 3.59


P. Maholm (W, 8-7) 8.0 7 2 2 0 5 2 3.69
J. Grabow (S, 3) 1.0 0 0 0 0 0 0 3.09


Pitches-strikes - J Fogg 83-48; G Majewski 11-4; J Affeldt 25-17; M Lincoln 11-7; P Maholm 97-69; J Grabow 6-4.

Ground balls-fly balls - J Fogg 6-6; G Majewski 0-1; J Affeldt 1-3; M Lincoln 3-0; P Maholm 13-6; J Grabow 1-2.

Batters faced - J Fogg 22; G Majewski 2; J Affeldt 7; M Lincoln 4; P Maholm 28; J Grabow 3.

Time: 2:14.
Attendance: 15,787.

mbgrayson
08-13-2008, 10:27 PM
A 6 pitch 9th inning for the Reds. Bruce and Phillips both fly out on the first pitch.

All in all, Maholm threw 97 pitches in 8 innings, and Grabow threw 6 in the 9th. The Reds lose seeing only 103 pitches. The opposing pitcher only had to throw 11.4 pitches per inning tonight.

We are not going to win many games where we hack away like that. Now, with Adam Dunn and his league leading P/PA numbers gone, opposing teams can give their bullpens the night off.

The best Reds in OBP and P/PA were Dunn, Ross, and Griffey.(Hairston is high in OBP too) They are gone. This team will not win until it recognizes the importance of getting runners on base.

RedFanAlways1966
08-13-2008, 10:38 PM
* 7th time this year that the REDS have had no walks in a game.
> 2007 season: 8 times.
> 2006 season: 5 times.
> 2005 season: 3 times.

* Last time the REDS were 20 or more games back was the end of the 2005 season. That was 445 games ago.

KronoRed
08-13-2008, 11:38 PM
Well at least this new O of ours will make games quicker.
gO reDZ!

Ron Madden
08-14-2008, 04:40 AM
And stakes Fogg to an early 1-0 lead with his 8th Hr.

He'll be here in '09. Anyone wanna wager? ;)

I bet Patterson is still here in '09. At least he's better than Hopper.

KronoRed
08-14-2008, 02:32 PM
I bet Patterson is still here in '09. At least he's better than Hopper.

I don't think so, Patterson is having himself a nice dead cat bounce but he's still bad, at least Norris can bunt :D

HokieRed
08-14-2008, 03:34 PM
I doubt either CP or NH will be back in 2009.

Ron Madden
08-14-2008, 04:08 PM
I don't think so, Patterson is having himself a nice dead cat bounce but he's still bad, at least Norris can bunt :D


About the only thing Hopper can do is bunt. IMO Patterson is far and away a better defensive outfielder than Hopper.