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Ga_Red
08-14-2008, 10:01 PM
according to Baseball American they've signed 30th-round pick Juan Carlos Sulbaran. This is a big signing. He's getting big money because many people thought he wouldn't sign. The Reds took a chance and it'll pay off. The right-hander is playing for the Dutch Olympic team right now.

nemesis
08-14-2008, 10:57 PM
Wow. Kid sounds like and ace with time....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juan_Carlos_Sulbaran

NorrisHopper30
08-14-2008, 11:09 PM
How much did they pay?

EDIT: 500K.

Grande Donkey
08-14-2008, 11:10 PM
I think it was 500,000

Gainesville Red
08-14-2008, 11:15 PM
I kind of wanted to see him in Orange and Blue, but I guess I'll live.

Nice work, Walt, now go get Yonder off his high horse and into Sarasota.

LouisvilleCARDS
08-14-2008, 11:22 PM
I'm all for signing some good draft picks, good news. We need as much infusion into this franchises future as possible.

PuffyPig
08-14-2008, 11:45 PM
Not much of a gamble, possibly wasting a 30th round pick.

RedlegJake
08-14-2008, 11:57 PM
Not much of a gamble, possibly wasting a 30th round pick.

Agreed. Its the kind of long shot what the heck late pick lots of teams make - except very few actually sign the really talented guys - they usually opt for college even when offered a big bonus.

BuckeyeRedleg
08-15-2008, 12:17 AM
Would this kids be ranked anywhere near the HS pitcher (Cline) that they took in the 4th?

He was paid more, right?

NorrisHopper30
08-15-2008, 12:23 AM
Is there a compilation of Reds draft picks and how much they signed for anywhere?

OnBaseMachine
08-15-2008, 01:57 AM
Would this kids be ranked anywhere near the HS pitcher (Cline) that they took in the 4th?

He was paid more, right?

Tyler Cline signed for only $240,000 dollars and Sulbaran received $500,000. Cline seems to be more of a project whereas Sulbaran has good velocity already and a projectable frame to add more velocity, plus he's got a changeup and curveball that are already average pitches with room to grow. Apparently the Reds are pretty high on him considering the amount of money he received.

camisadelgolf
08-15-2008, 02:03 AM
Is there a compilation of Reds draft picks and how much they signed for anywhere?

Baseball America should have something pretty soon. They've made something available for the public the past few years.

dougdirt
08-15-2008, 12:23 PM
Tyler Cline signed for only $240,000 dollars and Sulbaran received $500,000. Cline seems to be more of a project whereas Sulbaran has good velocity already and a projectable frame to add more velocity, plus he's got a changeup and curveball that are already average pitches with room to grow. Apparently the Reds are pretty high on him considering the amount of money he received.

I am not sure who is reporting that number for Cline, but I have seen reports that say he got more than that.

OnBaseMachine
08-15-2008, 12:24 PM
I am not sure who is reporting that number for Cline, but I have seen reports that say he got more than that.

Baseball America database.

redhawk61
08-15-2008, 12:25 PM
as well as pgcrosschecker

dougdirt
08-15-2008, 12:31 PM
Baseball America database.

Interesting.... I saw something that stated it was a decent sized chunk bigger than that and it was from a very reliable source.

RedsManRick
08-15-2008, 01:46 PM
These are the sort of gambles that make so much more sense than giving Corey Patterson or Mike Stanton $3M...

OnBaseMachine
08-15-2008, 05:10 PM
Q: Confused Reds Fan from Florida asks:
Who in gods name is Juan Carlos Sulbaran and how did he get 500k from the Reds in the 30th round? He was more highly paid than any Reds pick and there is literally no info on him anywhere. Can you shed some light on this kid? Thanks

A: Moderator: JJ here. We have something on him here at BA. Check out Jim Callis' draft blog on the signing: http://www.baseballamerica.com/blog/draft/?p=423. He's from Curacao originally, low 90s fastball, feel for a breaking ball and a changeup. And you can watch him pitch in the Olympics, as he's on the Netherlands' roster for the Olympics, although he hasn't pitched yet. He's definitely not a 30th round talent, but was one of those players who was going to cost some money to sign, after seeing him shut down Cuba in the Honkball Tournament, the Reds apparently were impressed enough to pony up the money.

http://www.baseballamerica.com/chat/chat.php?id=2008081501&rnd=1

redhawk61
08-15-2008, 05:15 PM
Q: Confused Reds Fan from Florida asks:
Who in gods name is Juan Carlos Sulbaran and how did he get 500k from the Reds in the 30th round? He was more highly paid than any Reds pick and there is literally no info on him anywhere. Can you shed some light on this kid? Thanks

A: Moderator: JJ here. We have something on him here at BA. Check out Jim Callis' draft blog on the signing: http://www.baseballamerica.com/blog/draft/?p=423. He's from Curacao originally, low 90s fastball, feel for a breaking ball and a changeup. And you can watch him pitch in the Olympics, as he's on the Netherlands' roster for the Olympics, although he hasn't pitched yet. He's definitely not a 30th round talent, but was one of those players who was going to cost some money to sign, after seeing him shut down Cuba in the Honkball Tournament, the Reds apparently were impressed enough to pony up the money.

http://www.baseballamerica.com/chat/chat.php?id=2008081501&rnd=1
That guy cracks me up :D

dougdirt
08-15-2008, 09:41 PM
Q: Confused Reds Fan from Florida asks:
Who in gods name is Juan Carlos Sulbaran and how did he get 500k from the Reds in the 30th round? He was more highly paid than any Reds pick and there is literally no info on him anywhere. Can you shed some light on this kid? Thanks

A: Moderator: JJ here. We have something on him here at BA. Check out Jim Callis' draft blog on the signing: http://www.baseballamerica.com/blog/draft/?p=423. He's from Curacao originally, low 90s fastball, feel for a breaking ball and a changeup. And you can watch him pitch in the Olympics, as he's on the Netherlands' roster for the Olympics, although he hasn't pitched yet. He's definitely not a 30th round talent, but was one of those players who was going to cost some money to sign, after seeing him shut down Cuba in the Honkball Tournament, the Reds apparently were impressed enough to pony up the money.

http://www.baseballamerica.com/chat/chat.php?id=2008081501&rnd=1

That guy doesn't know how to use google apparently.

ChatterRed
08-16-2008, 01:51 PM
Wasted pick? I think the kid only went in the 30th because he was rumored to not sign.

Off of Wikipedia regarding his performance against the Cuban National Team:

Sulbaran joined the Netherlands Antilles national baseball team for the 2008 Haarlem Baseball Week and got a no-decision against the Cuban national team.[1] He allowed one hit and one run in 7 innings and struck out 6 but walked 7. The only run was a steal of home by Giorvis Duvergel. The performance earned him a spot on the Dutch squad for the 2008 Summer Olympics in Beijing. He was the only player on the team who had never appeared for the "Orange" before.

Grande Donkey
08-16-2008, 01:57 PM
He is supposed to pitch today in the olympics. Have no idea what time though.

ChatterRed
08-16-2008, 05:31 PM
http://sports.yahoo.com/olympics/beijing/baseball/results;_ylt=AoL6VkgCkfoVKeWZd16fb_RtaJh4

According to boxscore for Netherlands, he did not pitch this morning.

OnBaseMachine
08-16-2008, 07:53 PM
I said this in another thread: I watched a scouting video of Sulbaran a couple days ago and come away very impressed. He's a lanky kid (around 6'3" 190 or so) and already throws in the low 90's with room to fill out and add more velocity. He also has a curveball and changeup that are projected to be above average pitches. What impressed me the most the life on his fastball... His fastball was constantly moving in on right handed hitters. I can definitely see why the Reds paid this kid the big bucks.

dougdirt
08-16-2008, 07:59 PM
http://sports.yahoo.com/olympics/beijing/baseball/results;_ylt=AoL6VkgCkfoVKeWZd16fb_RtaJh4

According to boxscore for Netherlands, he did not pitch this morning.

I also saw that. I had read he was supposed to pitch today, so maybe he will go on Monday.

Grande Donkey
08-18-2008, 09:34 AM
http://www.nbcolympics.com/athletes/athlete=54431/bio/index.html

Sulbaran's Olympic profile. It says he is 6'2" and 243 pounds. The Netherlands game is in progress right now but I don't know if he started.

princeton
08-18-2008, 09:37 AM
He's a lanky kid (around 6'3" 190 or so).




It says he is 6'2" and 243 pounds.



Jenny Craig?

Feed lot?

Grande Donkey
08-18-2008, 10:17 AM
Sulbaran did start in the Olympics today. His line: 4.2 IP, 4 H, 5 R, 2 ER, 3 W, 6 K. He will get used to bad defense playing with the Reds too.

Grande Donkey
08-18-2008, 10:19 AM
It also looks like he hit 3 batters.

ChatterRed
08-18-2008, 11:24 AM
It also looks like he hit 3 batters.

If we were playing the Cards, Cubs, Yanks or Red Sox, that would be fine by me. :D

redsmetz
08-18-2008, 12:05 PM
Do we know if the Reds have their international scout at the games?

OnBaseMachine
08-18-2008, 12:05 PM
http://www.nbcolympics.com/athletes/athlete=54431/bio/index.html

Sulbaran's Olympic profile. It says he is 6'2" and 243 pounds. The Netherlands game is in progress right now but I don't know if he started.

That's wrong. He is no where near 243 pounds. The draft tracker has him at 198 pounds which seems pretty accurate. He's not even close to 243.

Grande Donkey
08-19-2008, 08:49 AM
In order to evaluate the progress and potential of JC Sulbaran, you must see him pitch.
He has an advance feeling for pitching way ahead of other kids his age.
Robert Eenhorn, manager of the Dutch Olympic team, played 10 years in the Mayor League, after seeing JC pitch for the first time was convinced that he was seing a 25-26 year old pitcher.
A lot of “so called” baseball experts never saw JC pitch. Only Reds scouts, his agent and his coaches knows how good JC Sulbaran realy is. He was offered by the Reds to start his career at Dayton. However his advisors rejected this offer and most probably JC will start at Sarasota.From a guy that supposedly knows Juan Carlos Sulbaran and his family over at Doug's blog.