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IslandRed
08-14-2008, 11:18 PM
Sorry if already posted in another thread. From the Tallahassee Democrat today:


About 52 hours shy of the deadline for major league clubs to sign their draft choices, the 35th-round pick in the MLB June draft informed Martin of his decision. His signing bonus is expected to be around $250,000.

“Certainly this is a big blow to our club,” Martin said 20 minutes after talking with Fairel. “We just lost our No. 1 pitcher. I talked to Matt and it’s done, he’s gone. He’s signing. Two days before deadline. No way are we going to be able to find a player to replace him at this point.

“Cincinnati had some money to work with and they are giving him fourth-round money as a 35th-round draft choice. No way did I dream that Matt Fairel was going to sign.”

The lefthander emerged as FSU's top pitcher in 2008 with a 12-2 record and 3.79 ERA. He struck out 100 opposing batters.

Although Fairel was just a sophomore last season, he was eligible for the draft because his birthday fell within MLB draft-eligibility rules.

BuckeyeRedleg
08-14-2008, 11:21 PM
Alonso is definitely not signing.

SoTxRedsFan
08-14-2008, 11:25 PM
That is a great signing. I didn't think the Reds had a shot. That coach sounded pretty damn bitter. LOL!!

Degenerate39
08-14-2008, 11:28 PM
Sounds like the Reds got a lot of good pitchers.

NorrisHopper30
08-14-2008, 11:33 PM
That coach sounded depressed.

Az. Reds Fan
08-14-2008, 11:39 PM
Yea, I think the Reds realized that have no chance with Alonso and are beginning to spread his bonus out to other players. Get Pfisterer and Bandilla signed and don't let the door hit ya in the backside Yonder.

Nice job.

Gainesville Red
08-14-2008, 11:51 PM
It's only fair. UF loses one, so FSU's gotta lose one.

NorrisHopper30
08-14-2008, 11:55 PM
It's only fair. UF loses one, so FSU's gotta lose one.

Miami is next :beerme:

RedlegJake
08-15-2008, 12:37 AM
Wow. Fairel and Sulbaran. That is really unusual and exciting, too. The backend of this draft may end up much better than the front end.

OnBaseMachine
08-15-2008, 12:54 AM
Wow. I never expected him to sign. That's surprising to hear. It's beginning to look more and more likely that Yonder Alonso will not sign. That's a shame, the Reds could use a big bat like that.

camisadelgolf
08-15-2008, 01:22 AM
. . . or maybe the money saved on Dunn and Griffey is going to draft picks. That would be nice.

Az. Reds Fan
08-15-2008, 02:03 AM
Now we really know why Matt chose to leave FSU, outside of the fact he got paid...his hero, Buster Posey left

Take a look...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s46LVyIFkRs

Topcat
08-15-2008, 03:25 AM
If the red's have decided Yonder isn't signing I love that there stepping up and signing the late rd reach a dream guys who they would have thought would never sign! they are using the cash and getting talent that is all that matters. Plus the reds get slot compensation on yonder in next draft. Castellini disappointed me in dropping Wayne K but he is getting back in my good graces with these steal late rd moves.

RedsManRick
08-15-2008, 11:12 AM
Alonso is definitely not signing.

That could be money saved in the Griffey or Dunn deals -- not necessarily coming out of the allocation for Alonso. Though my gut says the same thing...

princeton
08-15-2008, 11:34 AM
Reds bottom fishing for lefties, any lefties at all-- none picked in top 12 rounds, but picked and signed ones late in draft: rounds 13, 19, 34, 35, 41 and 43.

out of top 12 picks in three drafts, only Travis Webb (a no. 8 pick) and Drew Bowman (a no. 5) were selected. Two lefties in 36 picks.

Results: no lefties in organization

camisadelgolf
08-15-2008, 12:19 PM
Reds bottom fishing for lefties, any lefties at all-- none picked in top 12 rounds, but picked and signed ones late in draft: rounds 13, 19, 34, 35, 41 and 43.

out of top 12 picks in three drafts, only Travis Webb (a no. 8 pick) and Drew Bowman (a no. 5) were selected. Two lefties in 36 picks.

Results: no lefties in organization

Maybe the Reds haven't invested heavily in left-handers because they haven't needed to.

Blaine Howell (13th round) has a 1.35 ERA this year and is looking very good.

Mace Thurman (19th round) signed for above slot money and has already been promoted to A-ball after completely dominating at Billings.

Bryan Gardner (34th round) isn't exactly blowing people away, but he has a respectable 4.50 ERA and 18 strikeouts over 18 innings in the GCL.

Matt Fairel (35th round) just signed for above slot money, and we've yet to see what he can do.

David Torcise (47th round) has a 1.71 ERA and 1.10 WHIP over 21 innings this year.

Joe Krebs (14th round), who has 49 strikeouts in 40 innings this year, was drafted last year and is already in Sarasota.

Shea Snowden (16th round) has been the GCL Reds' best pitcher with a 1.50 ERA and 1.06 WHIP over 36 innings.

Jeremy Horst (21st round) has been amazing this year with a 1.00 WHIP and 96 strikeouts over 85.2 innings.

Lee Tabor was drafted two years ago in the 30th round and is already in Chattanooga.

Jamie Arneson was a 16th rounder, but he was paid like a 4th rounder, so I wouldn't count him as the Reds not investing in left-handers.

Tzu-Kai Chiu was signed as an amateur free agent (for second round money, iIrc) and has a 3.34 ERA and 1.13 WHIP over 56.2 professional innings.

Matteo Pizziconi was signed out of Italy last year and has given up only one earned run over 17.2 innings.

Luca Panerati, also out of Italy, has a 1.50 ERA and 1.00 WHIP over 12 innings.

Aguido Gonzalez was signed just last year and all he has done this year is throw 30 innings without giving up an earned run.

camisadelgolf
08-15-2008, 12:39 PM
By the way, four of the five Reds' starters in Chattanooga are left-handed (Ben Jukich, Travis Wood, Pedro Viola, and Camilo Vazquez). The Reds also have two left-handers in the Sarasota bullpen in Phil Valiquette and Steve Otterness. Ty Pelland, Matt Maloney, Adam Pettyjohn, and Danny Herrera are in Louisville. Alex Smit is playing in the Olympics, but he is left-handed, too. And I still haven't even mentioned all the left-handers in the organization.

OnBaseMachine
08-15-2008, 12:44 PM
Terrell Young is right handed.

camisadelgolf
08-15-2008, 12:45 PM
Terrell Young is right handed.

Oops.:redface:

princeton
08-15-2008, 12:47 PM
By the way, four of the five Reds' starters in Chattanooga are left-handed (Ben Jukich, Travis Wood, Pedro Viola, and Camilo Vazquez). The Reds also have three left-handers in the Sarasota bullpen in Phil Valiquette, Terrell Young, and Steve Otterness. Ty Pelland, Matt Maloney, Adam Pettyjohn, and Danny Herrera are in Louisville. Alex Smit is playing in the Olympics, but he is left-handed, too. And I still haven't even mentioned all the left-handers in the organization.

in this organization, Maloney and Herrerra might be it. And they were acquisitions.

if another turns out to be effective against major league lefties, we'll be fortunate.

nemesis
08-15-2008, 01:07 PM
now here comes the interesting part... Now that we are getting more flush with talent... Where do we put them all? I mean look at the starting rotation candidates for Dayton next year:

Lotzkar
Castro
Astorga
Janke
Shunick
Garcia
Arneson
Ravin - who could be gone
Bowman
Guerrero - Ditto
Hildenbrandt
Snowden
Fairel
Sulbaran
Chiu
Cline

Not to mention the guys still in the Dominican like De La Rosa, Machuca, Marizan, Correa (If he comes back from his 50 gamer still a red), and Aquino who better be in Dayton next year. I bet there still is 4 or 5 more possibles that I left off.

I mean 3 years ago it was Bailey - Cueto and ... We are filthy rich in pitching in the low minors. 5 years ago if our #1 pitching prospect hurt himself it was like oh no. Wait til the next draft to get a pitcher.

The guys in A+ and AA better find their stride cause a truckload of pitching is developing. Guys won't be given 2 and 3 years to develop at the A or A+ ball level anymore. Find that relese point or be released.

OnBaseMachine
08-15-2008, 01:10 PM
There is no way Cline and Sulbaran will begin next season in Dayton. Look for both to start with the GCL Reds.

dougdirt
08-15-2008, 01:10 PM
There is no way Josh Ravin will be gone next year. None. Kid throws upper 90's at times and he is 20 years old. Switch to the bullpen? Maybe. Gone? No chance.

nemesis
08-15-2008, 02:21 PM
Ravin does have a great arm no doubt. But in 3 years hasn't even shown the slightest improvement in control in 3 years. it's one thing to throw 95+ but you actually have to throw with control.

princeton
08-15-2008, 02:24 PM
We are filthy rich in pitching in the low minors.

I wouldn't say that.

more, "we are filthy rich in minor pitchers"

lollipopcurve
08-15-2008, 02:30 PM
more, "we are filthy rich in minor pitchers"

I agree, if I get your drift. System isn't barren by any means, just no real exciting arms that profile as starters.

On the other hand, it looks like they should be able to build pretty cheap bullpens for awhile.

11larkin11
08-15-2008, 02:30 PM
Ok sorry to stray away from the pessimism, but OBM and Doug, what does Fairel throw?

11larkin11
08-15-2008, 02:33 PM
I agree, if I get your drift. System isn't barren by any means, just no real exciting arms that profile as starters.

On the other hand, it looks like they should be able to build pretty cheap bullpens for awhile.

Kidding, right? Kyle Lotzkar? Evan Hildenbrandt?

OnBaseMachine
08-15-2008, 02:36 PM
I agree, if I get your drift. System isn't barren by any means, just no real exciting arms that profile as starters.

On the other hand, it looks like they should be able to build pretty cheap bullpens for awhile.

I agree for the most part, but Lotzkar and Hildenbrandt excite me. Especially Lotzkar. I think he's got a chance to be a special pitcher someday.

OnBaseMachine
08-15-2008, 02:38 PM
Kidding, right? Kyle Lotzkar? Evan Hildenbrandt?

The last report I could find on him is two years old but it says he throws 87-89 and mixes in a quality breaking ball and changeup.

lollipopcurve
08-15-2008, 02:48 PM
I agree for the most part, but Lotzkar and Hildenbrandt excite me. Especially Lotzkar. I think he's got a chance to be a special pitcher someday.

Lotzkar is the exception, yes, but my expectations have been tempered by his elbow injury. Hildenbrandt, no. Not TOR stuff, so far as I know, just a good curveball.

RED VAN HOT
08-15-2008, 03:34 PM
[QUOTE=princeton;1722987]

out of top 12 picks in three drafts, only Travis Webb (a no. 8 pick) and Drew Bowman (a no. 5) were selected. Two lefties in 36 picks.

Maybe this signals a new emphasis on LH pitching. Fairel's stats suggest that had he declared his intention to turn pro in advance of the draft, he would have gone around the fourth round. That would also be consistent with the money the Reds offered.

Overall, I am impressed by the Reds ability to finesse two relatively high draft choices by pursuing kids that other clubs had given up on.

mac624
08-15-2008, 03:34 PM
Well, I watched him a lot at FSU and his fastball probably tops out at 89 or 90, but he's got very good breaking stuff and is very accurate with his pitches. Another year of school would have helped him, and by the time he came out, he'd be a top 2 or 3 round guy, maybe even a compensatory sandwich guy.

While I'm not saying he's the next Tom Glavine, he does remind me of him in that he hits the corners and gets very good control most of the time. He won't wow you on the gun, but the guy gets results.

nemesis
08-15-2008, 04:46 PM
Well, I watched him a lot at FSU and his fastball probably tops out at 89 or 90, but he's got very good breaking stuff and is very accurate with his pitches. Another year of school would have helped him, and by the time he came out, he'd be a top 2 or 3 round guy, maybe even a compensatory sandwich guy.

While I'm not saying he's the next Tom Glavine, he does remind me of him in that he hits the corners and gets very good control most of the time. He won't wow you on the gun, but the guy gets results.

Then why would we sign him, here on the RedsZone you better be Tom Glavine, CC Sabathia, Prince Albert or A Rod to be considered Major Leauge Ready here...:rolleyes:

princeton
08-15-2008, 05:25 PM
Fairel's stats suggest that had he declared his intention to turn pro in advance of the draft, he would have gone around the fourth round. That would also be consistent with the money the Reds offered..

1. you don't draft on stats

2. the last 2 years, we've been giving guys money that didn't match their talent if they have enough leverage. by extrapolation, if Fairel signed for 4th round money, it may mean that he has 12th round talent.

RedlegJake
08-15-2008, 06:49 PM
1. you don't draft on stats

2. the last 2 years, we've been giving guys money that didn't match their talent if they have enough leverage. by extrapolation, if Fairel signed for 4th round money, it may mean that he has 12th round talent.

Anytime I want to figure out how good a prospect might be I take your view and Doug's view and split the difference.

dougdirt
08-15-2008, 08:48 PM
Lotzkar is the exception, yes, but my expectations have been tempered by his elbow injury. Hildenbrandt, no. Not TOR stuff, so far as I know, just a good curveball.

Hildenbrandt also features a low 90's fastball. Maybe not TOR stuff right now, but he is 19, so his stuff isn't exactly set in stone either.

camisadelgolf
08-16-2008, 12:20 AM
Anytime I want to figure out how good a prospect might be I take your view and Doug's view and split the difference.

:D :D :D QFT