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Red in Chicago
08-16-2008, 06:10 PM
St. Louis

S. Schumaker cf
R. Ludwick rf
A. Pujols 1b
R. Ankiel lf
T. Glaus 3b
F. Lopez ss
Y. Molina c
J. Pineiro p
A. Miles 2b

Cincinnati

C. Dickerson lf
J. Hairston Jr. ss
J. Bruce rf
B. Phillips 2b
J. Valentin 1b
J. Keppinger 3b
C. Patterson cf
R. Hanigan c
A. Harang p

jesusfan
08-16-2008, 07:52 PM
Votto is back and Rosales is back down.. I wonder why Votto isn't in the line-up though...

Red in Chicago
08-16-2008, 07:53 PM
Votto is back and Rosales is back down.. I wonder why Votto isn't in the line-up though...

because javy is the future:rolleyes:

actually i saw a note that says they want to give him a couple days to get back into playing shape.

jesusfan
08-16-2008, 07:55 PM
because javy is the future:rolleyes:

Yeah... the future of mustache rides..:eek:

Matt700wlw
08-16-2008, 07:56 PM
Patterson continues to play everyday.....it's almost as if Dusty is trying to give him every opportunity to earn a spot on this team next year....



There's a thought that can ruin your night...

jesusfan
08-16-2008, 07:59 PM
Patterson continues to play everyday.....it's almost as if Dusty is trying to give him every opportunity to earn a spot on this team next year....



There's a thought that can ruin your night...

Didn't you know both Patterson and Javy are the future!

Red in Chicago
08-16-2008, 08:00 PM
Any bets that Harang doesn't bring his "A" game tonight? I'm thinking it's going to get ugly pretty early...sigh.

jesusfan
08-16-2008, 08:01 PM
Any bets that Harang doesn't bring his "A" game tonight? I'm thinking it's going to get ugly pretty early...sigh.

I think he tosses a pretty nice game tonight... he's due..

KittyDuran
08-16-2008, 08:03 PM
I'm here & there are WAY too many Cards fans!

Matt700wlw
08-16-2008, 08:05 PM
I'm here & there are WAY too many Cards fans!

So FCB's in attendance?

nate
08-16-2008, 08:09 PM
Chat is open!

Red in Chicago
08-16-2008, 08:10 PM
Here comes Prince Albert...thanks George:rolleyes:

OnBaseMachine
08-16-2008, 08:12 PM
Groundout, strikeout, flyout for Harang.

mbgrayson
08-16-2008, 08:13 PM
Nice first for Aaron. Not overwelming velocity(Gameday shows 89-91 fastball), but his control looks good. He was keeping the ball off the heart of the plate.

OnBaseMachine
08-16-2008, 08:15 PM
Pineiro is terrible, which means he'll throw a shutout tonight.

OnBaseMachine
08-16-2008, 08:16 PM
Dickerson K's swinging on ball 4.

OnBaseMachine
08-16-2008, 08:18 PM
Hairston and Bruce single. First and third and only one out.

OnBaseMachine
08-16-2008, 08:20 PM
1-0 Reds on a Phillips sac fly.

Red in Chicago
08-16-2008, 08:20 PM
First inning run for the Reds:confused:

Big Klu
08-16-2008, 08:21 PM
BPhil appears to be wincing in pain. (Or am I imagining it?)

OnBaseMachine
08-16-2008, 08:25 PM
Wow. Where in the world was that 1-2 pitch to Ankiel?

OnBaseMachine
08-16-2008, 08:26 PM
And of course the missed strike three call leads to a walk. The same exact pitch was called a strike before that. MLB umpires seem to be getting worse each year.

mth123
08-16-2008, 08:28 PM
Ugh!!!!

Can't the Reds find a catcher who can catch the darn ball?

OnBaseMachine
08-16-2008, 08:31 PM
RBI single. That missed strike three on Ankiel changed the whole inning. This is about to a be blowout pretty quick.

Matt700wlw
08-16-2008, 08:35 PM
Yeah.

It's saturday. Go drink.

OnBaseMachine
08-16-2008, 08:35 PM
5-1.

Why in the world did the Reds rush Harang back?

Kc61
08-16-2008, 08:35 PM
RBI single. That missed strike three on Ankiel changed the whole inning. This is about to a be blowout pretty quick.

Good call. Game's about done.

Red in Chicago
08-16-2008, 08:35 PM
Just as I suspected. He's got nothing today.

redsfan30
08-16-2008, 08:36 PM
If he's not injured, we have a major....major problem.

WVRedsFan
08-16-2008, 08:37 PM
I don't know that they rushed him. I think he has serious problems. He's been giving up the long ball a lot this year and two walks this inning are unusual.

Pitching is fickle. One minute you are the ace and the next the goat. I fear this is what we are seeing here and I certainly hope I'm wrong.

OnBaseMachine
08-16-2008, 08:37 PM
Dusty really screwed up Harang. I'd shut him down for the season.

Falls City Beer
08-16-2008, 08:40 PM
I'd shut him down for the season.

Yeah, he should be shut down. Though it would be nice to know what's actually bothering him physically.

WVRedsFan
08-16-2008, 08:40 PM
I really don't think Dusty or any other coach caused this. Injuries happen. Sometimes it's as simple as someone twisting your foot in celebration (Vern Law) or making an ackward step on a sidewalk. For whatever reason, Harang does have some problem that he's not telling about or can't be determined. FWIW, he was grimicing when pitching that inning. That's not good.

OnBaseMachine
08-16-2008, 08:41 PM
Reds have two on and none out.

edabbs44
08-16-2008, 08:43 PM
I really don't think Dusty or any other coach caused this. Injuries happen. Sometimes it's as simple as someone twisting your foot in celebration (Vern Law) or making an ackward step on a sidewalk. For whatever reason, Harang does have some problem that he's not telling about or can't be determined. FWIW, he was grimicing when pitching that inning. That's not good.

Don't you know anything? If a pitcher pitches poorly, it is Dusty's fault. No questions asked. Just like Arroyo's career was over because of the '07 SD 120 pitch game. Until he started to pitch better.

Matt700wlw
08-16-2008, 08:44 PM
On this date 60 YEARS ago...

Babe Ruth died.

OnBaseMachine
08-16-2008, 08:44 PM
Bases loaded one out for Dickerson.

Matt700wlw
08-16-2008, 08:44 PM
Wow...even the Cardinals play crappy in the field!

Red in Chicago
08-16-2008, 08:44 PM
Cards with some Reds-like d:thumbup:

WVRedsFan
08-16-2008, 08:45 PM
On this date 60 YEARS ago...

Babe Ruth died.

More importantly, on this date 31 years ago Elvis died.

Thankyouverymuch.

Kc61
08-16-2008, 08:46 PM
Don't know shutting down Harang would help him. Sometimes a pitcher needs to pitch.

But the Harang and Arroyo contracts are definitely a concern for next year.

oneupper
08-16-2008, 08:46 PM
Someone explain that bunt to me. Down 4...to move one guy over one base?
Poor strategy.

Matt700wlw
08-16-2008, 08:46 PM
The Bambino and the King...dead on the same date

How about that! A rather historical date, that August 16th is...

WVRedsFan
08-16-2008, 08:46 PM
Don't know shutting down Harang would help him. Sometimes a pitcher needs to pitch.

But the Harang and Arroyo contracts are definitely a concern for next year.

No kidding.

RFS62
08-16-2008, 08:47 PM
More importantly, on this date 31 years ago Elvis died.

Thankyouverymuch.



And on that day my career in the disaster relief business started.

Makes it easy to remember with Elvis croaking and all.

OnBaseMachine
08-16-2008, 08:47 PM
Bases loaded, one out and the top of the order up against a terrible pitcher...and they don't score. Just as I figured. Unbelievable.

WVRedsFan
08-16-2008, 08:48 PM
The Bambino and the King...dead on the same date

How about that!

And both were built portly, at least at some point in their lives. The Babe from eating, and surpisingly enough, the King had the same problem.

Matt700wlw
08-16-2008, 08:50 PM
http://www.vintagephotos.com/Vintage%20Babe%20Ruth%2072%20DPI.jpg

The final bow...

WVRedsFan
08-16-2008, 08:50 PM
Bases loaded, one out and the top of the order up against a terrible pitcher...and they don't score. Just as I figured. Unbelievable.

Hannigan (rookie) ground ball, nearly a DP
Dickerson (rookie) strikes out

Youth will do that to you.

Red in Chicago
08-16-2008, 08:50 PM
And the slaughter continues.

reds44
08-16-2008, 08:51 PM
Harang is awesome.

oneupper
08-16-2008, 08:51 PM
Bases loaded, one out and the top of the order up against a terrible pitcher...and they don't score. Just as I figured. Unbelievable.

Only real hit in that inning was Kepps. REDS were lucky to load 'em up at all.

OnBaseMachine
08-16-2008, 08:51 PM
I can't stand Dusty Baker.

WVRedsFan
08-16-2008, 08:52 PM
Harang is obviously hurt and Pujols is obviously very talented. The combination means a laugher for the Cardinals tonight. Of course, they have now scored enough runs that we don't have to worry about this one.

WVRedsFan
08-16-2008, 08:54 PM
"This is not the same fastball we saw from Aaron Harang earlier in the season. We haven't seen a good fastball from him except in spots in awhile."
--Jeff Brantley

reds44
08-16-2008, 08:54 PM
I can't stand Dusty Baker.

:confused:

Falls City Beer
08-16-2008, 08:55 PM
His velocity is down. It's likely an injury, not just poor execution.

WVRedsFan
08-16-2008, 08:56 PM
:confused:

Dusty is the root of all evil. Read it first on RedsZone. :D

Matt700wlw
08-16-2008, 08:56 PM
Dusty is the root of all evil. Read it first on RedsZone. :D

http://www.firedustybaker.com

Red in Chicago
08-16-2008, 08:57 PM
I can't stand Dusty Baker.

I'm not a fan of Dusty's by any means, but you're barking up the wrong tree tonight. If Aaron can't get out the likes of Molina and Schumaker, then he shouldn't be pitching. He needs to tell someone that he's hurt or that something doesn't feel right.

reds44
08-16-2008, 08:57 PM
His velocity is down. It's likely an injury, not just poor execution.
Gun's got him between 90-93, his velocity is fine.

Matt700wlw
08-16-2008, 08:58 PM
Yadier Molina.

Wow.

WVRedsFan
08-16-2008, 08:59 PM
Gun's got him between 90-93, his velocity is fine.

Which gun? Brantley on radio says he's topping out at 88 most of the time. If it's the gun on TV, it's been wrong all year.

I hope it's wrong because if he is in at 91-93 and still getting killed, he really does have a serious problem.

Falls City Beer
08-16-2008, 09:00 PM
Gun's got him between 90-93, his velocity is fine.

According to gameday, his fastball is topping at 88-89. So who knows?

Kc61
08-16-2008, 09:01 PM
I can't believe that it was Dusty who made the judgment to reinstate Harang. My guess is that it was the doctors and the GM who had the most say. With Harang's contract, I'm sure Walt didn't leave this decision to the manager.

These look like rehab starts, Harang obviously isn't pitching well enought to win at the major league level. Somebody misjudged his readiness.

VR
08-16-2008, 09:05 PM
And on that day my career in the disaster relief business started.

Makes it easy to remember with Elvis croaking and all.

Do the Reds have your resume? You are a shoo in for a job in the front office!

Matt700wlw
08-16-2008, 09:15 PM
Another disaster unfolds.

Bob Borkowski
08-16-2008, 09:16 PM
Do the Reds have your resume? You are a shoo in for a job in the front office!

Classic. :laugh:

Red in Chicago
08-16-2008, 09:16 PM
8 - 1 now after a two run hr from lugwick:eek:

Tony Cloninger
08-16-2008, 09:17 PM
I remember Elvis death.....beacuse of the quote from Johnny Rotten..."Good riddance to bad rubbish."

Something i hope to say when Patterson is no longer on this team.

Matt700wlw
08-16-2008, 09:18 PM
:roll: :lol: :laugh: :explode:

VR
08-16-2008, 09:19 PM
I think Harang could have been stretched for 5 to get at least get a shot for the win.

VR
08-16-2008, 09:20 PM
:roll: :lol: :laugh: :explode:


That might be the post of the year. Sums up the Reds in 4 emoticons.

Red in Chicago
08-16-2008, 09:21 PM
why is maj still on this team?

WVRedsFan
08-16-2008, 09:28 PM
And on that day my career in the disaster relief business started.

Makes it easy to remember with Elvis croaking and all.I was at Myrtle Beach on the fateful day. Single and having a great time. My two buddies and I had just made dates with 3 young ladies from Concord, NC for the night to go club hopping. The news of Elvis' death caused them to be so bummed that they cancelled, we went to see that new movie "Star Wars" and the rest is history.

BTW, the Reds beat San Diego that night 5-1, with Tom Seaver pitching a 5-hit complete game to go to 13-5. The only run scored against him was unearned on an error by, of all people, Johnny Bench.

I'd have never remembered all of this is wasn't for the demise of the King.

Matt700wlw
08-16-2008, 09:29 PM
I'm not even going to call CP's PA's at bats anymore.

That's an insult to actual at bats.

WVRedsFan
08-16-2008, 09:36 PM
why is maj still on this team?

Just because.

Of the entire bullpen, Majewski is the one pitcher who I cannot figure out what anyone sees in him. Sinkerball pitcher, for sure, but he gets hit hard and gives up the long ball.

Now, Maj wants to help out in the infield and screws up a ground ball out. Oh boy.

Big Klu
08-16-2008, 09:43 PM
Andy Phillips, pinch-hitting for Majewski, leads off the bottom of the fifth with his first homer.

OnBaseMachine
08-16-2008, 09:44 PM
Dickerson gets called out on the same pitch that was a ball on Ankiel in the second inning.

_Sir_Charles_
08-16-2008, 09:47 PM
His velocity is down. It's likely an injury, not just poor execution.

Has anybody considered the possibility that its a lack of confidence? Its not like he's had a hot streak or anything this season. He's been pretty hittable ALL season. Before AND after that SD game (so don't point to that). And I refuse to believe it's Dusty either. He's just struggled. After getting snakebit in several game at the start of the season it starts to get into your psyche...I think it's all mental right now. Only thing to do is to work through it. If it was an injury...he wouldn't be back. I don't think either Harang, Dusty or the trainers are that stupid.

WVRedsFan
08-16-2008, 09:47 PM
Andy Phillips, pinch-hitting for Majewski, leads off the bottom of the fifth with his first homer.


Get your rally caps on.

Only 7 runs behind now.

OnBaseMachine
08-16-2008, 09:53 PM
Fogg in to pitch. Interesting. I wonder if Walt is planning on calling someone up to take his rotation spot.

Matt700wlw
08-16-2008, 09:54 PM
Reds get to face Lohse tomorrow....he'll probably throw a 2 hitter.

Big Klu
08-16-2008, 09:56 PM
Fogg in to pitch. Interesting. I wonder if Walt is planning on calling someone up to take his rotation spot.

It may be that today is his throwing day, and since he didn't go very long in Pittsburgh on Wednesday, he is available for an inning or two tonight.

Raisor
08-16-2008, 09:56 PM
More importantly, on this date 31 years ago Elvis died.

Thankyouverymuch.

19 years ago today, my dog Duke barked his last bark.

Babe Ruth
Elvis
Duke The Wonderdog

all the giants of this world.

Big Klu
08-16-2008, 09:59 PM
Last inning, Andy Phillips led off with a homer.

This inning, Brandon Phillips led off with a homer.

I used to coach a kid named Corey Phillips--maybe the Reds should sign him and let him lead off next inning! :D

WVRedsFan
08-16-2008, 10:08 PM
Last inning, Andy Phillips led off with a homer.

This inning, Brandon Phillips led off with a homer.

I used to coach a kid named Corey Phillips--maybe the Reds should sign him and let him lead off next inning! :D

Was he any good? Better than Patterson? Please say he was!

Matt700wlw
08-16-2008, 10:09 PM
It may be that today is his throwing day, and since he didn't go very long in Pittsburgh on Wednesday, he is available for an inning or two tonight.

I like OBM's thinking better :D

OldXOhio
08-16-2008, 10:21 PM
Dusty really screwed up Harang. I'd shut him down for the season.

Can't understand why this is even debated. Shut the man down, he's clearly not right.

Matt700wlw
08-16-2008, 11:11 PM
That mess is over.

9-3 Cardinals win

WVRedsFan
08-17-2008, 12:07 AM
That may have been the shortest game thread in history.

Big Klu
08-17-2008, 12:51 AM
I'm going to tomorrow's game, and I'll do my best to bring home a victory! (My record is 2-3 this year.)

Ron Madden
08-17-2008, 12:52 AM
I'm going to tomorrow's game, and I'll do my best to bring home a victory! (My record is 2-3 this year.)

I'll be there too.

:)

Matt700wlw
08-17-2008, 04:40 AM
I'll be working and running the game at the station trying to figure out how Nick Brunker gets to host a 3 hour show, while I get to work for my 8th straight day, lose my off day, and do the same thing next week........Im going to the Bengals game, though...so I guess that rocks.....