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Chi-Town Red
08-16-2008, 11:30 PM
Another bad outing.....what do you guys think? Seems he never recovered from the extra inning game ....

winker12
08-16-2008, 11:46 PM
There's got to be something wrong. It's hard to believe that he was so good over the last couple of years and he suddenly has lost it. Brantly was saying his fastball was in the mid 80's and thats not right. I think I would shut him down and start over for next year.

Jefferson24
08-16-2008, 11:50 PM
Shut him down now. Nothing to gain by running him back out there. Cross our fingers for next year. I wonder if he is hurt and if so do the Reds have insurance for this type of thing.

Slyder
08-16-2008, 11:51 PM
Shut him down and send him to EVERY arm doc and quack you can find, whoever can figure out and fix Harang becomes the arm specialist for the Reds.

And you fine Duhhsty for being Duhhsty.

Then send a huge check to the local churches and start praying for Harang :D.

E. Davis 44
08-17-2008, 12:02 AM
no need to panic, he just needs to shut it down. He obviously isn't healthy. Just stop him unitl next season.

superred
08-17-2008, 12:08 AM
i dont think it has anything to do with his physical health, he just isnt hitting his spots and harang just doesnt have good enough stuff to be wild he has to hit his spots to be effective just let hijm pitch to get the rust out

Slyder
08-17-2008, 12:11 AM
If he's only hitting mid 80s (which I read on here and a couple other) its more than just hitting his spots.

superred
08-17-2008, 12:16 AM
harang usually throws low ninetys to high eightys anyway just let him keep working up here and if he doesnt show any signs of improving in about three or four starts then start sending him to the doctors

Jefferson24
08-17-2008, 12:25 AM
He needs to be shut down and see doctors now. I wouldn't let him throw another pitch.

Chi-Town Red
08-17-2008, 07:46 AM
Yea its very concerning for sure...i agree shut him down and get him to the best Dr to take a look

dmoe
08-17-2008, 10:32 AM
he really shouldn't throw again...i know he wants to come back, but at this point, it's worthless. they need to re-evaluate him and focus on getting him healthy.

redsbuckeye
08-17-2008, 10:53 AM
He could be ruined but I doubt it, his injury was hardly a major one.

Re-evaluate him right now with every doctor you can get a hold of. If he's fine, it could be he just forgot some of his important mechanics because he didn't pitch for a while and just needs to remember them. Shutting him down wouldn't help him relearn. Give him another start or two. If it continues, then shut him down and let the arm rest. If he's not fine, well the answer to that's obvious.

Even shutting him down now is an ok idea. Let him get his groove back in over the off-season and during spring. He'll be fine.

kpresidente
08-17-2008, 11:37 AM
I think if Harang is ruined we could be in deep trouble in the near future. He's critical to the team's success.

Redeye fly
08-17-2008, 12:09 PM
I don't yet if Harang is ruined or not. Actually, "ruined" is a pretty strong term in this day and age.

That said, I can't help but think about the scout who reportedly asked if we were trying to ruin Harang by pitching him after one rehab start.

You really have to wonder if other teams just kind of sit back and laugh at some of the things the Reds do. I mean sure, teams like the Royals and Pirates don't have room to laugh much. But if the Reds can find a way to do something utterly stupid, I'm sure they will, or have.

justincredible
08-17-2008, 12:17 PM
It is definitely time to shut the big guy down for the year.

Chi-Town Red
08-17-2008, 03:22 PM
He could be "missing his spots" because he is over compensating for an injury....that being said, people in Chicago always thought Dusty over used Mark Prior and well we know what happened to him....

Kingspoint
08-17-2008, 04:34 PM
Harang is not ruined.....yet, but if they continue to throw him out there like they have been each of the last 4 or 5 starts, then he could be next year what Arroyo was this year.

Shut the man down already. What possible service does he do for the team by pitching any more games this year.

Harang has a tired arm. Let's not complicate this any more than it is. Only one solution exists.

Shut the mand down.

The MRI revealed nothing. Of course it didn't. They don't when the problem is a tired arm.

Shut the man down.

....and everything will be alright next year.

INRedsFan
08-17-2008, 09:54 PM
The Reds still struggle with pitching. Maybe instead of looking at the pitching, maybe we should be looking at the pitching coaches. Why is it our pitchers can't pitch in Cincinnati but when they get in St. Louis, all of the sudden they are good pitchers. The ballparks are not that much different. I think it is a combination of the pitching coaching and the defense behind them.

Focusonit
08-18-2008, 09:49 AM
The Reds have changed Harang's mechanics. He is now a slow, controlled, short-striding pitcher. What that does is completely removes all momentum and forces the arm to do the work. We are now seeing the results of that.

As far as Dusty ruining Prior...that's bull. Prior had bad mechanics due to Tom House's tutelage. At one time House proclaimed that Prior had perfect mechanics. Once he broke down, he blamed Dusty instead of the obvious flaws in Prior's delivery. It was simply a way for House to cover himself!

gilpdawg
08-18-2008, 10:36 AM
Read TC's post on the ORG. TC knows what he's talking about 99% of the time.

ThirdBaseCoach
08-29-2008, 04:31 PM
Another bad outing.....what do you guys think? Seems he never recovered from the extra inning game ....

Chi-Town, you are on the right track. Someone should ask Pete Mack whether he would have brought AH back into that extra inning game and have him throw, what, four innings between starts? I think PM would never have even thought about such an absurd and dangerous move.

Duhsty ruined Mark Prior, and almost ruined Kerry Wood. Harang may be another notch on Duhsty's belt, dude.

Chi-Town Red
08-29-2008, 08:13 PM
yep ol Dusty has a rep alright