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RedLegsToday
08-19-2008, 01:21 PM
Does anyone know or have any guesses as to which players the Reds will send to these leagues? I'd like to see Alonso, Frazier and Stubbs in Arizona and Meso, Francisco, and Soto in Hawaii.

lollipopcurve
08-19-2008, 01:29 PM
I hope Alonso gets assigned somewhere. And I'd like to see Owings as a hitter in Arizona, provided his shoulder is OK.

OnBaseMachine
08-19-2008, 01:30 PM
I'd definitely like to see Alonso get some additional atbats in one of those leagues. I figure Juan Francisco will play in one of the Dominican leagues.

Benihana
08-19-2008, 02:31 PM
I figure Juan Francisco will play in one of the Dominican leagues.

Hopefully as a catcher.

Redman15
08-19-2008, 03:20 PM
Frazier, Stubbs, Valaika and Turner to AFL? Henry, Dorn, Heisey to Hawaii ?
When do the rosters come out? The Reds are in Peoria this year.

RED VAN HOT
08-19-2008, 05:43 PM
IIRC winter leagues are considered to be between A+ and AA, with AFL being the better of the two leagues. I just checked and last year the Reds sent Valaika, Griffin, Lecure, and Ondrusek to Hawaii. Tatum, Rosales, Pelland, Jukich, Roenicke, and Viola went to Arizona. These players came from A+ and AA rosters. If Alonzo is evaluated as ready for that level, as most people on the board believe, then he would seem to be a good candidate. Otherwise I would look to SAR and CHA rosters for candidates.

Suggestions thus far have been light on pitching. I suggest Buck, Carroll, Watson, and Lutz. Though his stats have been underwhelming to date, Lutz is an extreme ground ball pitcher.

Az. Reds Fan
08-19-2008, 06:06 PM
IIRC winter leagues are considered to be between A+ and AA, with AFL being the better of the two leagues. I just checked and last year the Reds sent Valaika, Griffin, Lecure, and Ondrusek to Hawaii. Tatum, Rosales, Pelland, Jukich, Roenicke, and Viola went to Arizona. These players came from A+ and AA rosters. If Alonzo is evaluated as ready for that level, as most people on the board believe, then he would seem to be a good candidate. Otherwise I would look to SAR and CHA rosters for candidates.

Suggestions thus far have been light on pitching. I suggest Buck, Carroll, Watson, and Lutz. Though his stats have been underwhelming to date, Lutz is an extreme ground ball pitcher.

I would doubt the Reds would want Buck to add any more innings to his arm than he already has. Take the offseason to rest and be ready to roll in '09

mth123
08-19-2008, 07:19 PM
My Hope:

AFL - Alonso, Frazier (at 3B only), Dorn, Stewart, Watson, Geronimo

HFL - Heisey, Henry (to play CF only), Viola (as a starter), Mace Thurman (Kid's gonna move quickly).

OnBaseMachine
08-19-2008, 07:20 PM
The Reds are trying to keep Stewart's innings down so I doubt they'll send him to a fall league.

mth123
08-19-2008, 07:29 PM
The Reds are trying to keep Stewart's innings down so I doubt they'll send him to a fall league.

Ok scratch Stewart. Maybe a late signee like Sulbarren instead.

zipcurve
08-19-2008, 07:29 PM
Actually LeCure was at the AFL last year

11larkin11
08-19-2008, 07:39 PM
Hopefully as a catcher.

What do you mean by that? Is the organization really considering that or is it just your opinion?

dougdirt
08-19-2008, 07:43 PM
Ok scratch Stewart. Maybe a late signee like Sulbarren instead.

No way they send a young kid like that.

lollipopcurve
08-19-2008, 07:48 PM
The Reds are trying to keep Stewart's innings down so I doubt they'll send him to a fall league.

Yeah, no way -- he pitched all college season. A lot of times the pitchers are second/third tiers and/or guys who need innings coming off an injury. Many more premium players on the offensive side. Perfect fit for Alonso, either league.

redsmetz
08-19-2008, 07:57 PM
FYI, here are the eligibility rules for the AFL. I don't know if the HWL has similar rules


Each Major League organization is required to provide six players subject to the following requirements:

All Triple-A and Double-A players are eligible, provided the players are on at least a Double-A level roster no later than Aug. 1.

One player below the Double-A level is allowed per Major League team.

One foreign player is allowed, as long as the player does not reside in a country that participates in winter ball, as part of the Caribbean Confederation or the Australian winter league.

No players with more than one year of credited Major League service as of August 31 are eligible, except a team may select one player picked in the most recently concluded Major League Rule 5 Draft.

To be eligible, players on Minor League disabled lists must be activated at least 45 days before the conclusion of their respective seasons.

klw
08-19-2008, 08:21 PM
my hope is that Milton Loo plays in the Hawaiian league and that neither Cueto nor Vasquez play winter ball in the Dominican.

mth123
08-19-2008, 08:24 PM
No way they send a young kid like that.

Why not? If he's going to start out in Sarasota, then the AFL, or maybe Hawaii since it seems less advanced, would be a good spot to get a look at him. They paid him 500K. The talk is he's quite advanced and they think he can move quickly I'd bet..

Redman15
08-19-2008, 08:26 PM
I think all of the new younger guys have to go to instructs. They won't
be playing anywhere but in Sarasota. Alonso should there too.

dougdirt
08-19-2008, 09:45 PM
Why not? If he's going to start out in Sarasota, then the AFL, or maybe Hawaii since it seems less advanced, would be a good spot to get a look at him. They paid him 500K. The talk is he's quite advanced and they think he can move quickly I'd bet..

I don't buy for a second that he would start in Sarasota, unless its the GCL.

RedsUp
08-19-2008, 10:18 PM
How about sending Frazier and Valiquette to Hawaii?
They are both young, need the experience and are promising players.

BigRed07
08-19-2008, 10:23 PM
I think the majority of the players in the AFL will be from AA with the exception of Stubbs. Pitchers maybe Jukich, Manuel, Watson
and maybe Woods after tonights performance.

Redman15
08-20-2008, 02:08 PM
Henry, Valaika and Turner are headed to the AFL as position players
from Chattanooga.

lollipopcurve
08-20-2008, 03:08 PM
I'd like to see Cozart and Alonso go to Hawaii.

redsmetz
08-20-2008, 06:20 PM
BTW, Ted Power will be the Reds representative in the league, serving as pitching coach for the Peoria Javelinas. Darren Brown from the Mariners will manage and Ozzie Timmons from Tampa Bay will be the coach.

http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20080730&content_id=3224331&vkey=news_mlb&fext=.jsp&c_id=mlb