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RedsManRick
08-20-2008, 01:04 PM
I hadn't really noticed this guy until perusing the Bats stats this morning. I can't quite get a hold of his background / track record, because it seems to be mixed up with the Ramon Ramirez on the Royals. Anybody have the goods on him?

From what I can tell, it looks like he deserves to be in the mix with Maloney, Thomson, Bailey, and Livingston.

dougdirt
08-20-2008, 01:09 PM
Good velo on his FB, 90-96 MPH, very good change up and reportedly throws a split finger. Short right hander though, so bullpen is likely his future.

OnBaseMachine
08-20-2008, 01:33 PM
Apparently he's got a pretty solid breaking ball too according to a poster on here who saw him pitch live a couple weeks ago. He's already on the 40-man roster so hopefully he gets called up sometime in September.

RedsManRick
08-20-2008, 01:49 PM
Where did we get him? It looks like he was signed by the Padres, released, and then signed by the Reds as a free agent prior to 2003. Is that right?

dougdirt
08-20-2008, 02:05 PM
We signed him in 2003. He pitched for the Padres for their DSL team in 2000 and 2001. Did not pitch in 2002 for anyone. We signed him and he pitched for our VZL team in 2003 before coming stateside in 2004 with us. Thats from the Reds media guide.

RED VAN HOT
08-20-2008, 02:13 PM
From what I can tell, it looks like he deserves to be in the mix with Maloney, Thomson, Bailey, and Livingston.

http://minors.baseball-reference.com/players.cgi?pid=26692

Over the last two years his H/9 are under 8 and K/9 are over 9. His numbers have steadily improved with promotions. I am adding him to my list.

AccordinglyReds
08-20-2008, 02:49 PM
I'd really like to see him get a start after the Bats' playoffs. I was really impressed with his stuff and demeanor out on the mound.

He's pitching tonight for Louisville. If I didn't have a baseball game myself, I'd be there.

camisadelgolf
08-20-2008, 03:14 PM
Last year, he was second in the Reds' minor league organization in strikeouts (behind Johnny Cueto). This past winter, the Reds made some people scratch their heads when they added Ramirez to the 40-man roster (over Carlos Guevara, among others) to protect him from the rule five draft, and it looks like the Reds might have made the right decision.

princeton
08-20-2008, 03:18 PM
From what I can tell, it looks like he deserves to be in the mix with Maloney, Thomson, Bailey, and Livingston.

Livingston? :rolleyes:

Ramirez was princeton's preseason sleeper pick (gave him a slight nod over DThompson) ;)

kfm
08-20-2008, 07:32 PM
I saw him pitch in Columbus, and he pitched very well. I heard a great inteview about him with Ted Power. Power said Ramirez's changeup is good enough that even when people know it is coming they can't hit it. Seems like his numbers suggest he should get a legitimate shot especially since he is already on the 40 man roster. If we are going to put him in the bullpen because he is short and right handed then does that mean Cueto is going to the bullpen also?

dougdirt
08-20-2008, 07:33 PM
I saw him pitch in Columbus, and he pitched very well. I heard a great inteview about him with Ted Power. Power said Ramirez's changeup is good enough that even when people know it is coming they can't hit it. Seems like his numbers suggest he should get a legitimate shot especially since he is already on the 40 man roster. If we are going to put him in the bullpen because he is short and right handed then does that mean Cueto is going to the bullpen also?

Cueto is a bit of a different pitcher than Ramirez is....

kfm
08-20-2008, 09:35 PM
Cueto is a bit of a different pitcher than Ramirez is....

Can you expand a little bit on that? I thought after Moneyball, this whole short right handed thing had been put to bed.

reds44
08-20-2008, 09:37 PM
By "different" he means "better".

kfm
08-20-2008, 10:49 PM
By "different" he means "better".

So is your point that Ramirez cannot be a starter because he is short and right handed or is your point that he is not good enough to be a starter. It was a cute comment, but it doesn't really explain anything. I am really trying to find out why we are willing to simply dismiss everything about a pitcher and just say short and right handed equals bullpen. If no one has a good answer, which I suspect no one actually does, that is fine, but if someone does have a good answer I would like to understand this point of view.

reds44
08-20-2008, 10:56 PM
So is your point that Ramirez cannot be a starter because he is short and right handed or is your point that he is not good enough to be a starter. It was a cute comment, but it doesn't really explain anything.
Saying he can't be a starter because he is short and right handed would be a dumb comment. I don't think anybody said he has to be in the bullpen because he is short and right handed.

kfm
08-20-2008, 11:05 PM
Good velo on his FB, 90-96 MPH, very good change up and reportedly throws a split finger. Short right hander though, so bullpen is likely his future.

I think someone did say that.

Kingspoint
08-31-2008, 06:51 PM
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