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RedsManRick
08-20-2008, 02:28 PM
Over at THE BOOK Blog, Tangotiger has opened up the 2008 Fan Scouting Report for submissions.

http://tangotiger.net/scouting/

There have been a dozen submissions for the Reds so far, but the more people who respond, the better the data we'll get back. This sort of exercise is all about the collective knowledge of us fans. I encourage everybody to participate.

nate
08-20-2008, 02:40 PM
Thanks for the link, RMR.

Here's what I came up with:

http://www.gluethemoose.com/neen/redsfielding.png

Ltlabner
08-20-2008, 06:12 PM
Agggggggggghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

All those numbers.

Don't you people know that numbers have nothing to do with baseball. Why don't you get away from the computer and watch a game?

:runaway:

JinAZ
08-26-2008, 10:00 AM
I just wanted to emphasize how helpful these data can be. They provide insights into players' specific skillsets, which lets us answer questions that we otherwise could not. And they provide a unique, grounded perspective that none of the other fielding ratings can match.

Furthermore, the results historically have correlated well to some of the most sophisticated fielding stats available--UZR, PMR, etc. You can legitimately argue that the Fans' results provide the baseline against which all other fielding statistics should be evaluated.

So, as RMR said, please do head over and cast a ballot. The data are invaluable, and we need all the participation we can get.

Thanks,
Justin

nate
08-26-2008, 10:13 AM
I'd be interested to see how other folks who have watched (endured?) the Reds this season voted.

JinAZ
08-26-2008, 06:03 PM
I'm particularly interested to see how guys like Bruce and Votto come out. Most other quality fielding stats need several years to provide reliable indications of performance, so these data will probably be our best indication of their fielding skills next year. -j

dougdirt
08-26-2008, 06:06 PM
I'm particularly interested to see how guys like Bruce and Votto come out. Most other quality fielding stats need several years to provide reliable indications of performance, so these data will probably be our best indication of their fielding skills next year. -j

I think with Votto you are going to see a wide array of answers. It seems there is a big split in opinions when it comes to his defense over there.

JinAZ
08-26-2008, 11:04 PM
I think with Votto you are going to see a wide array of answers. It seems there is a big split in opinions when it comes to his defense over there.

If true, that'll show up in the reliability rating for his scores. Freel is another guy who has gotten very disparate answers in past years and tends to have lower-than-typical reliability ratings...and that mirrors the conversations I've seen about his pre-injury defense. All the more reason to get as many ballots cast as we can! :)
-j

Mario-Rijo
08-26-2008, 11:17 PM
"From pitcher to crack of the bat"? I know I should be understanding this but right now I can't figure out quite what that means? :confused:

dougdirt
08-26-2008, 11:20 PM
"From pitcher to crack of the bat"? I know I should be understanding this but right now I can't figure out quite what that means? :confused:
Do they make an adjustment as the pitch is on its way? How accurate is it when they do?

Mario-Rijo
08-28-2008, 04:52 AM
Do they make an adjustment as the pitch is on its way? How accurate is it when they do?

Interesting, i'm not sure I could give a response to that question. I guess i'll have to start paying more attention to that part of their game. It should be interesting to see the fans response to it, for each guy. Oh btw thanks for the info DD.

Mario-Rijo
08-28-2008, 05:57 PM
Interesting, i'm not sure I could give a response to that question. I guess i'll have to start paying more attention to that part of their game. It should be interesting to see the fans response to it, for each guy. Oh btw thanks for the info DD.

I feel like I should expand a bit on this. I don't see enough games live to make that kind of conclusive determination. On TV you just don't get to see BP responding as the ball is pitched as if he already knows where the ball is headed, like someone said he does do, earlier in the season. I could really only assume that for the most part, so maybe that's not a fair question for most fans to answer and thus possibly wrong in some instances. Perhaps even in most cases.

What say you Jin-AZ? How many are guilty of assuming too much and using that assumption as a basis for fact?

BTW I asked TT the same question, should be interesting to see what he says about it.

JinAZ
08-29-2008, 11:39 AM
I feel like I should expand a bit on this. I don't see enough games live to make that kind of conclusive determination. On TV you just don't get to see BP responding as the ball is pitched as if he already knows where the ball is headed, like someone said he does do, earlier in the season. I could really only assume that for the most part, so maybe that's not a fair question for most fans to answer and thus possibly wrong in some instances. Perhaps even in most cases.


That's something that has been discussed before, and Tango leaves "not sure" as an answer specifically for cases like that. However, I'm sure that there are a fair number of people who respond to those prompts and yet watch most games on TV and therefore have no clue about things like "reads" off the bat, much less how fielders respond while the pitch is on the way to the plate. One could make the argument that those categories should be de-emphasized in any rankings based on these scores.

Nevertheless, there are fans who watch lots and lots of games in person every year and thus are reasonably qualified to make those sorts of assessments. That's why Tango asks the question. -j

jojo
08-29-2008, 12:01 PM
I'd suggest that the fact that people filling out the ballot ask themselves questions such as these speaks to the integrity of the responders which may mitigate in part the issue.