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Red in Chicago
08-21-2008, 08:52 AM
Reds
C. Dickerson lf
J. Keppinger ss
J. Bruce rf
B. Phillips 2b
J. Votto 1b
E. Encarnacion 3b
C. Patterson cf
P. Bako c
J. Fogg p

Cubs
A. Soriano lf
R. Theriot ss
D. Lee 1b
A. Ramirez 3b
J. Edmonds cf
M. DeRosa 2b
K. Fukudome rf
H. Blanco c
C. Zambrano p

corkedbat
08-21-2008, 02:56 PM
Why waste at bats/innings on dreck like Patterson, Majewski, etc. Dickerson should be in CF with Rosales in LF. Gotta keep the little girl happy I guess. :evil:

BRM
08-21-2008, 02:58 PM
I would love to see Rosales get at least a little bit of playing time one of these days.

OnBaseMachine
08-21-2008, 03:02 PM
Dusty said a few days ago he was going to start Rosales in one of the Cubs games. Turns out he lied.

reds44
08-21-2008, 03:04 PM
Dusty said a few days ago he was going to start Rosales in one of the Cubs games. Turns out he lied.
Go read the quote again.

cumberlandreds
08-21-2008, 03:06 PM
Apparently Rosales was just brought up to carry Patterson's bags. :rolleyes:

reds44
08-21-2008, 03:07 PM
Dusty said a few days ago he was going to start Rosales in one of the Cubs games. Turns out he lied.



"I'll try to work him in the right situation, right time and right place," Baker said. "At this point, you'd be substituting one young guy for another young guy. I'll try to get him at-bats, especially in Chicago. I like to have guys play in their hometown."

Nowhere does he say that Rosales will get a start.

OnBaseMachine
08-21-2008, 03:08 PM
I'm not really surprised, Dusty has been known to make up things in the past. IIRC he made up some stuff on Bruce and Freel earlier in the year and they both refuted it.

reds44
08-21-2008, 03:09 PM
He didn't make anything up about Rosales or his playing time.

BRM
08-21-2008, 03:11 PM
It's important to get Patterson and Bako as many at-bats as possible in this lost season.

nate
08-21-2008, 03:12 PM
Chat is open!

reds44
08-21-2008, 03:22 PM
Dickerson with a 4 pitch walk to start the game.

Matt700wlw
08-21-2008, 03:23 PM
"I'll try to work him in the right situation, right time and right place," Baker said. "At this point, you'd be substituting one young guy for another young guy. I'll try to get him at-bats, especially in Chicago. I like to have guys play in their hometown."

Yet, Corey Patterson's "right situation" remains a mystery...

Chip R
08-21-2008, 03:24 PM
OK, let's move on about Patterson and Rosales. If you want to complain about their usage, go over to ORG.

reds44
08-21-2008, 03:25 PM
Bob Brenly has a mancrush on Chris Dickerson.

Matt700wlw
08-21-2008, 03:25 PM
Lee steals one from Keppinger. He's a thief I tell you, A THIEF!!

HumnHilghtFreel
08-21-2008, 03:25 PM
Zambrano not looking very good early on.

reds44
08-21-2008, 03:26 PM
And Bruce can't get him home.

Red in Chicago
08-21-2008, 03:28 PM
Zambrano not looking very good early on.

which is the time to score on him...can't let him get into a groove...

reds44
08-21-2008, 03:28 PM
Phillips just refuses to walk.

Grounds out to 2nd ona 3-0 pitch. Awesome.

HumnHilghtFreel
08-21-2008, 03:28 PM
Phillips grounds out up the middle and Dickerson is stranded at 3rd.

OnBaseMachine
08-21-2008, 03:29 PM
Phillips swings at a 3-0 pitch and grounds out. He's got to be the most unintelligent hitter in baseball.

HumnHilghtFreel
08-21-2008, 03:29 PM
17 pitches, 6 strikes that inning for Big Z and he managed to only give up 1 walk

OnBaseMachine
08-21-2008, 03:31 PM
Phillips is 2-for-13 in 3-1 or 3-0 counts. That's awful.

Matt700wlw
08-21-2008, 03:32 PM
With Fogg on the mound, you'd have to think the Reds need to execute in scoring opportunities....like the one they just had.

cumberlandreds
08-21-2008, 03:33 PM
With Fogg on the mound, you'd have to think the Reds need to execute in scoring opportunities....like the one they just had.

I really don't think it matters. I have zero confidence in Fogg getting past the third inning.

CTA513
08-21-2008, 03:35 PM
Fogg already up to 13 pitches with 2 runners on and 0 outs.

Matt700wlw
08-21-2008, 03:36 PM
Soriano may have missed second base....unless his just nipped it

Doc. Scott
08-21-2008, 03:36 PM
Sigh.... nibblenibblenibblenibblenibbleSMACK.

I just simulated the patented Fogg pitching technique.

reds44
08-21-2008, 03:36 PM
That was a nice turn.

Red in Chicago
08-21-2008, 03:36 PM
d. lee is very prone to the dp...love it : )

Doc. Scott
08-21-2008, 03:39 PM
Hey, Josh gets Aramis Ramirez to pop up. Saw a stat earlier today about how A-Ram is hitting .333 off Fogg with four homers since 2003.

reds44
08-21-2008, 03:41 PM
I'm liking EE's socks.

Doc. Scott
08-21-2008, 03:43 PM
Votto leads off with a single, but Encarnacion is helpless on a two-strike slider. One down.

Matt700wlw
08-21-2008, 03:45 PM
Votto steals second, and Patterson creates an out.

puca
08-21-2008, 03:46 PM
and Patterson creates an out.

He does what he does. It's what he's good at.

Doc. Scott
08-21-2008, 03:46 PM
Corey Patterson, batting a Ruthian .245 (!) in August, works (!!) a 2-2 count while Votto swipes second base (#5). Patterson then flies out to center.

Bako goes a-hackin' at the first pitch and grounds out to first.

1-0 Cubs, mid 2nd.

reds44
08-21-2008, 03:49 PM
Nice pitch by Fogg.

reds44
08-21-2008, 03:50 PM
Not so nice pitch by Fogg.

Doc. Scott
08-21-2008, 03:50 PM
!!!

Fogg strikes out Jim Edmonds-Grande on four vicious high-eighties fastballs.

Then gives up a home run on the first pitch to Mark DeRosa.

nate
08-21-2008, 03:51 PM
George couldn't even get "you know his story" out before DeRosa hit the Fogg out of that ball.

CTA513
08-21-2008, 03:52 PM
Thats the 14th homer Fogg has given up in around 67 innings this season.

Kc61
08-21-2008, 03:53 PM
These Fogg games are helping accomplish two goals.

First, they are helping the Reds get a higher draft pick next year.

And, by leaving Maloney in AAA they are helping Louisville clinch a spot in the playoffs and perhaps win some playoff games.

Doc. Scott
08-21-2008, 03:56 PM
Fogg finishes the second by retiring the fading Kosuke Fukudome and Young Bakovian Henry Blanco without incident.

2-0 Cubs, end 2nd.

Doc. Scott
08-21-2008, 03:59 PM
Fogg makes Zambrano throw him seven fastballs before he whiffs. He swings at just one pitch, fouling it off. One out.

Dickerson works a full count, then walks again! Nice.

Keppinger steps in.

Chip R
08-21-2008, 03:59 PM
And, by leaving Maloney in AAA they are helping Louisville clinch a spot in the playoffs and perhaps win some playoff games.


I'm not sure about that. He was hammered the other day. The Bats came back to win but he was pounded.

dougdirt
08-21-2008, 03:59 PM
Who else saw that one coming a mile away?

OnBaseMachine
08-21-2008, 04:01 PM
Keppinger is a double play machine.

Maybe one day Dusty will stop batting him second.

Doc. Scott
08-21-2008, 04:01 PM
Fogg makes Zambrano throw him seven fastballs before he whiffs. He swings at just one pitch, fouling it off. One out.

Dickerson works a full count, then walks again! Nice.

Keppinger steps in.

...and erases any chance of a rally by grounding into a double play on the second pitch.

2-0 Cubs, mid 3rd.

Doc. Scott
08-21-2008, 04:02 PM
Zambrano is batting .357 with three homers and twelve RBI this season. Geez. He'd bat fifth or so on the Reds.

CTA513
08-21-2008, 04:03 PM
Zambrano just homered and thats now the 15th homerun given up by Fogg.

Red in Chicago
08-21-2008, 04:03 PM
zambrano showing the reds how it's done on the mound and in the batters box...fun stuff

HumnHilghtFreel
08-21-2008, 04:03 PM
That Zambrano fella can put a charge into a ball

KYRedsFan
08-21-2008, 04:05 PM
I hate Zambrano. He is as clownish a player as the cubs fans are in the stands. Perfect match.

Doc. Scott
08-21-2008, 04:07 PM
Carlos works a 1-2 count, then belts a fat changeup over the fence in right-center. Homer number four, 3-0 Cubs.

Fogg, of course, quickly gets the next two outs and a called third strike on Derrek Lee.

3-0 Cubs, end 3rd.

Chip R
08-21-2008, 04:24 PM
...And we're back.

nate
08-21-2008, 04:26 PM
Chris, just now after the miscommunication in the OF:

"I don't know why they're playing Corey Patterson."

reds44
08-21-2008, 04:26 PM
Chris Dickerson looks like the best player on the team. That's sad.

MrCinatit
08-21-2008, 04:27 PM
...And we're back.

...just in time to listen to Chris rip Corey a new one over the air. "Why is he even out there?"
I am liking Welch more and more.

nate
08-21-2008, 04:27 PM
And then he hits a double!

Rally time!

reds44
08-21-2008, 04:27 PM
Chris, just now after the miscommunication in the OF:

"I don't know why they're playing Corey Patterson."
To hit a double. Duh. ;)

RFS62
08-21-2008, 04:28 PM
The tag Edwin made on the wild pitch with the runner going to third just now is one of my pet peeves.

He reached towards home plate to receive the ball, instead of positioning himself at the bag and waiting on the ball, not reaching, which makes his only move straight down with the ball once it gets there. It takes much more time to reach out to get the ball then come back with your arm for the tag.

It's a subtle skill, but I can't believe how many times I see it ignored in the major leagues.

Many things in baseball are better than ever. Nutrition, strength training, flexibility training..... many things. But some of the fundamentals that used to be a given on the major league level simply aren't as prevalent anymore.

And get off my lawn.

Doc. Scott
08-21-2008, 04:28 PM
Board blip, apparently.

Fogg gets out of the fourth inning after the Reds finish their half of the fourth with a strikeout/thrown-out double play.

Patterson has just doubled with one out in the top of the fifth.

reds44
08-21-2008, 04:28 PM
Adam Rosales is wearing #60. Never the number of a game who is going to stick around for awhile.

Doc. Scott
08-21-2008, 04:30 PM
Bako whiffs on four pitches and up comes young Adam Rosales to pinch-hit for Fogg.

Four innings, four hits, three earned runs, one walk, four strikeouts, two homers. His ERA plummets from 7.71 to 7.66.

reds44
08-21-2008, 04:30 PM
What was Patterson doing?

Doc. Scott
08-21-2008, 04:31 PM
Rosales reaches on a throwing error by Theriot, putting men on the corners with two outs for Chris Dickerson.

nate
08-21-2008, 04:31 PM
What was Patterson doing?

There was a ball hit to right center that he should've taken charge of and it fell between him and Bruce and subsequently rolled to the wall.

Doc. Scott
08-21-2008, 04:32 PM
Chris flies out to short right to end the fifth. Still 3-0 Cubs.

MrCinatit
08-21-2008, 04:33 PM
What was Patterson doing?

On obvious single had been hit to right single. Bruce had already pulled back to let Corey field it...and Corey inexplicably pulled back, letting the ball bounce past him and the runner get second instead of just a single.

reds44
08-21-2008, 04:33 PM
I saw his defensive blunder, he nearly made a baserunning blunder too.

Doc. Scott
08-21-2008, 04:34 PM
On comes our favorite linebacker-sized middle reliever to face 8-9-1 in the bottom of the fifth.

reds44
08-21-2008, 04:36 PM
Phillips fielded that ball 2 steps to the SS side. Where was Keppinger?

Doc. Scott
08-21-2008, 04:37 PM
The incredibly-fleet Henry Blanco scrapes an infield hit.

Doc. Scott
08-21-2008, 04:40 PM
Masset grounds Zambrano into a 3-6 double play and strikes out Soriano swinging.

3-0 Cubs, end 5th.

nate
08-21-2008, 04:43 PM
BRUUUUCCCEEE!!!!!

reds44
08-21-2008, 04:43 PM
Bruuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuce!

_Sir_Charles_
08-21-2008, 04:44 PM
BRRUUUUUUUCE! 3-1 Cubbies

CTA513
08-21-2008, 04:44 PM
2 more of those and the game will be tied

Chip R
08-21-2008, 04:46 PM
Small ball at its best.

_Sir_Charles_
08-21-2008, 04:48 PM
Votto with another hit. Gotta love his approach at the plate. Bruce has gotten all the hype, but in my book...Votto looks to be the better of the two. At least THIS season.

BRM
08-21-2008, 04:49 PM
Small ball at its best.

I love the small ball HR. Exciting stuff.

Doc. Scott
08-21-2008, 04:52 PM
Jay Bruce puts the Reds on the board in the sixth with a one-out solo homer, #13. 3-1 Cubs after five and a half.

Masset gives up a leadoff single to Ryan Theriot to start the bottom of the sixth.

KYRedsFan
08-21-2008, 04:59 PM
Please, please God. Can we see a Big Z meltdown?

CTA513
08-21-2008, 04:59 PM
Patterson walks to leadoff the inning and then is caught stealing.
Bako follows up with a single.

_Sir_Charles_
08-21-2008, 05:00 PM
Who didn't see THAT coming. Patterson walks, is caught stealing, and Bako immediately follows with a single. Way to run us out of an inning. *sigh*

OnBaseMachine
08-21-2008, 05:00 PM
Patterson is a terrible baserunner.

_Sir_Charles_
08-21-2008, 05:03 PM
Patterson is a terrible baserunner.

But he's fast, and that offsets everything...right?

OnBaseMachine
08-21-2008, 05:03 PM
And now Dickerson singles. He's been on base three times today. That caught stealing is looking huge now.

Red in Chicago
08-21-2008, 05:03 PM
and of course, kep leaves 'em stranded. sad, very sad.

CTA513
08-21-2008, 05:03 PM
walk and 2 singles = 0 runs for the Reds

Doc. Scott
08-21-2008, 05:03 PM
Nick gets Derrek Lee to fly to Bruce on the second pitch, Ramirez to Patterson on the first pitch, and Edmonds to ground into a force on the first pitch. Excellent.

3-0 Cubs after 6.

dougdirt
08-21-2008, 05:03 PM
Ah, Reds baseball.... its fun to watch isn't it?

Red in Chicago
08-21-2008, 05:04 PM
Nick gets Derrek Lee to fly to Bruce on the second pitch, Ramirez to Patterson on the first pitch, and Edmonds to ground into a force on the first pitch. Excellent.

3-0 Cubs after 6.

doc, you missed the bruce home run ;)

Doc. Scott
08-21-2008, 05:05 PM
Patterson works a walk, then kills the goodwill by getting caught stealing. Bako promptly follows with a sharp single to right. After pinch-hitter Jolbert Cabrera flies out, Chris Dickerson singles with what would have scored the second run. As it stands, it's just two on and two out for Keppinger, who hacks at the second pitch and grounds to third to end the inning.

3-1 Cubs after 6.5.

_Sir_Charles_
08-21-2008, 05:05 PM
Slight change of subject.....Gene Upshaw (NFL hall of famer) just passed away at age 63.

Doc. Scott
08-21-2008, 05:06 PM
On comes Mike Lincoln to pitch the seventh after Nick Masset turned in two scoreless innings. Let's hope Lincoln does a little better than he did last outing, where he ended up letting all four batters he faced reach. All four scored.

Doc. Scott
08-21-2008, 05:10 PM
Lincoln gets DeRosa to fly to Bruce, strikes out the flailin' Fukudome on a tipped third strike, and flies Blanco out to right as well.

3-1 Cubs, end of 7.

HokieRed
08-21-2008, 05:10 PM
Anybody watching this thing: how does Masset look? Is there a real role for this guy on the future staff?

Doc. Scott
08-21-2008, 05:11 PM
Top of 8. Zambrano at 105 pitches, so Carlos Marmol comes on. After a bad stretch prior to the All-Star break, Marmol is riding a streak of 16 consecutive scoreless innings. Batters hitting .130 off him, although he has served up seven homers.

He'll face 3-4-5 in Bruce, Phillips, and Votto.

Sea Ray
08-21-2008, 05:12 PM
Going into this series I was wondering if we'd score. This series unfortunately is going pretty much like I expected

Sea Ray
08-21-2008, 05:12 PM
I like Masset's sinker. We need some sinkerballers at GABP

Doc. Scott
08-21-2008, 05:13 PM
Bruce goes after pitch #2, a high fastball, and pops up to short.

OnBaseMachine
08-21-2008, 05:13 PM
The Reds have pitched well enough to win all three of these games.

dougdirt
08-21-2008, 05:15 PM
The Reds have pitched well enough to win all three of these games.

Unfortunately so have the Cubs....

Red in Chicago
08-21-2008, 05:16 PM
votto got all of that one...

nate
08-21-2008, 05:16 PM
Rally cap time!

OnBaseMachine
08-21-2008, 05:17 PM
Votto homers, 3-2.

Votto owns the Cubs.

BRM
08-21-2008, 05:18 PM
Solo homers are rally killers.

Doc. Scott
08-21-2008, 05:18 PM
Phillips lines out hard to second, but Votto hits a hanging slider out for homer #15! 3-2 Cubs. Encarnacion gets ahead in the count 2-1, but lines out to left.

Whoa, Reds were hitting some shots there. We go to the bottom of eight, good guys down one.

OnBaseMachine
08-21-2008, 05:19 PM
Votto has 15 homeruns this year, seven of those have been against the Cubs.

CTA513
08-21-2008, 05:19 PM
Patterson, Bako and a pinch hitter to face Wood in the 9th

Doc. Scott
08-21-2008, 05:21 PM
Patterson, Bako and a pinch hitter to face Wood in the 9th

Well, we still have Hanigan, Valentin, and Andy Phillips on the bench. Maybe we can get more than one PH.

BRM
08-21-2008, 05:21 PM
Patterson, Bako and a pinch hitter to face Wood in the 9th

How about pinch-hitter, pinch-hitter, pinch-hitter?

Matt700wlw
08-21-2008, 05:23 PM
Patterson, Bako and a pinch hitter to face Wood in the 9th

This should not happen under any circumstances

Doc. Scott
08-21-2008, 05:23 PM
Two pitches, one out for Lincoln as pinch-hitter Mike Fontenot flies out to Dickerson in left.

Mike gets ahead of Soriano 0-2, runs it full, then walks him. Missed opportunity there.

BRM
08-21-2008, 05:26 PM
This should not happen under any circumstances

It will. Baker will let the two lefties face Wood, then he'll bring in Javy.

Strikes Out Looking
08-21-2008, 05:28 PM
I'd bat Arroyo before any of the three due up.

Matt700wlw
08-21-2008, 05:28 PM
Yup. Patterson is hitting....

Doc. Scott
08-21-2008, 05:28 PM
Theriot grounds into a double play! Onto the ninth. Two strong innings for Mike Lincoln. The middle relief has really kept us in the game today.

Doc. Scott
08-21-2008, 05:30 PM
Annnnd here's C. Baker back to lead off the ninth against Kerry Wood.

He takes ball one.
He fouls off a fastball.
He takes ball two, slider high and outside.
He fouls off another fastball.
He fouls off a curve.
He fouls off another curve.
He grounds to first on a fastball.

Can't really argue with that at-bat too badly. He swung at good pitches.

One out.

jesusfan
08-21-2008, 05:30 PM
Patterson grounds to 1st...

Matt700wlw
08-21-2008, 05:31 PM
Patterson weakly grounds out. Now Javy will PH for Bako

jesusfan
08-21-2008, 05:32 PM
That sure was a good swing... 2 down

Doc. Scott
08-21-2008, 05:32 PM
Called strike to Bako, who is also hitting when he shouldn't be. Another one. Fastball's high and outside. Slider's fouled off. Wood puts him away with high cheese.

Two outs.

jesusfan
08-21-2008, 05:32 PM
Corey Mendoza and Paul Sucko... shew

Matt700wlw
08-21-2008, 05:32 PM
I lied. Bako ks and Javy is now up

Doc. Scott
08-21-2008, 05:33 PM
Valentin hitting for Lincoln. Wood has given up all of one homer this year, incidentally.

Slider's low, ball one. Curveball on the corner evens it up, then a 96-mph fastball is high. Slider catches the corner to even the count at 2-2. Fastball's outside, full count. Javy then completes the swing-less at-bat by watching a slider for strike three.

Ballgame.

Matt700wlw
08-21-2008, 05:34 PM
That was an easy ending

Tony Cloninger
08-21-2008, 05:37 PM
Strike 3......no...more like high and outside.

What a really...pathetic song that CUBS song is...I think even Asia or The Damn Yankees could write better and less chessier songs than that.

harangatang
08-21-2008, 05:37 PM
You have to laugh when Patterson and Bako come up as the first 2 batters in the 9th. At least if you combine both of their OPS+ for this season they are slightly above league average at 106 (of course this is a joke with a meaning). This offense sucks.

Spring~Fields
08-21-2008, 05:45 PM
The Reds have pitched well enough to win all three of these games.

Playing the number one team close indicates that the Reds really aren't as bad as they look, even if this isn't football.

HokieRed
08-21-2008, 05:49 PM
Need to take a hard look at the offense. Two players need to be back: Bruce and Votto. The rest can be moved.

Will M
08-21-2008, 05:53 PM
Need to take a hard look at the offense. Two players need to be back: Bruce and Votto. The rest can be moved.

disagree.

Phillips has an OPS+ of ~100 which means he is average offensively. He plays plus defense at 2B and has speed. He is not a superstar but is a solid player.

Dickerson has looked good so far in his audition for the CF job in 2009.

Kep is a nice part time player. He is just not a SS nor does he hit RHP well.

The Reds need a SS & a 3B ( with EE to LF ). Get these and we can live with a weak stick good glove catcher.

LincolnparkRed
08-21-2008, 06:05 PM
Need to take a hard look at the offense. Two players need to be back: Bruce and Votto. The rest can be moved.

Keep Phillips but just show Dusty how his stats say he is 6th or 7th hitter not a cleanup hitter. Just like with Patterson at leadoff, you are putting him in a position to fail more than he succeeds

Big Klu
08-21-2008, 06:09 PM
Adam Rosales is wearing #60. Never the number of a game who is going to stick around for awhile.

Normally I agree, but it's getting toward the end of the season, so I don't think it matters as much. Rosales is basically a September callup--he just got here two or three weeks early. I guess they could have given him #16 (which I think was the only available low number when he first got the call), but when he came up for Votto, I think they thought he would only be up for a couple of days. I also think that they didn't anticipate Rosales coming back so quickly because of Hairston's recurring injury. I would expect the Reds to assign a low number to him next spring.



Playing the number one team close indicates that the Reds really aren't as bad as they look, even if this isn't football.

The Reds score four runs in 27 innings. They are fortunate to leave Chicago with a 1-2 record in the series.

oneupper
08-21-2008, 07:28 PM
Keep Phillips but just show Dusty how his stats say he is 6th or 7th hitter not a cleanup hitter. Just like with Patterson at leadoff, you are putting him in a position to fail more than he succeeds

Phillips bat is being exposed now that he doesn't benefit from hitting between Griffey and Dunn.

Spring~Fields
08-21-2008, 09:27 PM
Phillips bat is being exposed now that he doesn't benefit from hitting between Griffey and Dunn.

Agreed

I also think that the guy that placed him in the four hole this year is being exposed too.

Pretty sure that Jocketty knows a cleanup batter after his years at St. Louis vs a Phillips, a Baker decision.