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Spring~Fields
08-24-2008, 10:35 AM
SEPTEMBER CALL-UPS: With Triple-A Louisville in the playoffs, any September call-ups off the Bats' roster will be delayed until the playoff run is over.

"It's a good delay," Baker said. "It's a good delay for them. And we've got guys here trying to have good years and make a run."

All players on the 40-man roster are eligible to be on the active roster after Sept. 1.

Homer Bailey, Danny Herrera, Paul Janish, Daryl Thompson and Todd Coffey are candidates for return trips to the majors. Danny Richar and Wilkin Castillo, obtained in the Ken Griffey Jr. and Adam Dunn trades, may get calls as well.

The Reds could add players to the 40-man. Matt Maloney, Drew Stubbs, Josh Roenicke and Chris Valaika could be considered.

WHAT ABOUT PETTYJOHN? Baker isn't overlooking Adam Pettyjohn.

The 31-year-old left-hander is 14-5 with a 4.66 ERA for Louisville.

"You like to call up guys who have good years," Baker said. "He's a crafty lefty. He won (16) last year and 14 this year. I don't buy when they say a guy doesn't have enough fastball or this and that."

Baker points to John Burkett, whom he managed in San Francisco. Burkett went on to pitch 15 years in the big leagues and win 166 games. "He was called up by default," Baker said.

http://news.cincinnati.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080824/SPT04/808240440/1071

corkedbat
08-24-2008, 11:13 AM
I'd DFA Patterson, Fogg, Bako & Majewski and cut Coffey from the forty-man and add Stubbs, Valika, Dorn, Roenicke and Fisher. I'd also call-up Castillo, Herrera and at least one from among Maloney,Thompson, Livingston & Ramierez (I've seen enough of Homer this year) and give them a couple of starts. I'd rest Volquez (or Harang if needed) after the AAA playoffs - maybe go to a modified 6-man rotation.

September would be "Kiddie Kamp".

Degenerate39
08-24-2008, 11:58 AM
I'd like to see Patterson, Fogg, Bako, and Majewski off the team. And I'd like to see Roenicke, Stubbs, Valika brought up at least. Go young.

RedLegSuperStar
08-24-2008, 12:30 PM
Currently the 40 man roster sits at 39 players. You could open another slot with placing Matt Belisle on the 60 day DL. So that gives you 2 slots to add someone with out risk of losing someone. I'd add Roenicke and Maloney.

Patterson isn't going anywhere in my opinion because you just don't have someone to fill the OF void, plus he is aparently tight with Dusty. I think we could see DFA's from this list: Andy Phillips, Javy Valentin, and Josh Fogg. Perhaps they work out a deal with Hairston and sign him to a deal for next year and then let him rest the remainder of the year by placing him on the 60 day DL.

I'd also like to see Carlos Fisher (4-0 1.23 in AAA), Danny Dorn (.286 20HR .932OPS in AA), and Chris Valaika (.316 17HR .839OPS A and AA).

mth123
08-24-2008, 12:38 PM
Nobody will get released this close to the end of the season IMO. The Reds may be able to deal a guy like Weathers or Affeldt to open spce, but no one gets relased to open 40 man spots in late August. It would kill the team's reputation with players IMO.

corkedbat
08-24-2008, 12:42 PM
Nobody will get released this close to the end of the season IMO. The Reds may be able to deal a guy like Weathers or Affeldt to open spce, but no one gets relased to open 40 man spots in late August. It would kill the team's reputation with players IMO.

How's that any worse than DFA'ing Ross a couple of weeks ago. They'd still get paid and maybe get a chance to hook up with someone for next year. Bring on the youth, dump the dreck.

I do realize though that it would probably use up an option so I wouldn't call up Dorn or Fisher, but I'd risk it with Roenicke, Valika and Stubbs. I'd also callup Herrera and at least one of the starters who are already on the 40-man.

* I think the 40th spot is being held open for Owings from the Dunn deal and I believe that the roster on MLB.com shows Belisle already off th 40-man (but not on the 60-day,strange).

LoganBuck
08-24-2008, 12:58 PM
How's that any worse than DFA'ing Ross a couple of weeks ago. They'd still get paid and maybe get a chance to hook up with someone for next year. Bring on the youth, dump the dreck.

I do realize though that it would probably use up an option so I wouldn't call up Dorn or Fisher, but I'd risk it with Roenicke, Valika and Stubbs. I'd also callup Herrera and at least one of the starters who are already on the 40-man.

* I think the 40th spot is being held open for Owings from the Dunn deal and I believe that the roster on MLB.com shows Belisle already off th 40-man (but not on the 60-day,strange).

Adding players that will not be eligible for the Rule V draft to the 40 man in the offseason is a very bad idea. Stubbs and Roenicke do not need to be protected from the Rule V draft. Keep them off and protect those who need protecting.

corkedbat
08-24-2008, 01:22 PM
Adding players that will not be eligible for the Rule V draft to the 40 man in the offseason is a very bad idea. Stubbs and Roenicke do not need to be protected from the Rule V draft. Keep them off and protect those who need protecting.

I thought both had to be protected, but if that's so, I agree.

OnBaseMachine
08-24-2008, 01:40 PM
Reds' callups could be delayed
Minor Leaguers may have to wait with Louisville in playoffs
By Mark Sheldon / MLB.com

DENVER -- In just over a week, on Sept. 1, Major League rosters are allowed to expand for callups.

Because Triple-A Louisville is playoff-bound, the Reds will likely have to hold up promotions for a few extra days until the Bats' season is completed.

"It's a good delay," Reds manager Dusty Baker said on Saturday. "It's a good delay for them. Some of the guys here are still trying to have real good years and make a move."

While it seems as if the Reds have already promoted most of their top prospects this season, the extra roster space creates a chance to take a look at others.

The organization isn't saying who it's considering yet, but players already on the 40-man roster are the best bets. That should certainly include lefty reliever Danny Herrera, who has a 1.93 ERA in 44 games, and already had two brief big league stints.

Pitchers Homer Bailey, Todd Coffey and Bobby Livingston and shortstop Paul Janish are also on the 40-man. So is catcher Wilkin Castillo, who was acquired in the Adam Dunn trade with Arizona, and infielder Danny Richar, who came to the organization in the Ken Griffey Jr. deal with the White Sox.

It's much harder for players not on the 40-man roster to get promoted, because it would require an additional move to jettison someone else to create room. But there are players outside of the roster worthy of consideration.

Lefty starter Matt Maloney, 24, is 10-4 with a 4.23 ERA. Although 31 years old, right-hander Justin Lehr is 6-2 with a 2.07 ERA.

"You'd like to call up guys that are deserving and have had good years," Baker said.

Baker put in a plug for another 31-year-old, left-handed starter Adam Pettyjohn, who's gone 14-5 with a 4.55 ERA.

"Pettyjohn won [16] last year and 14 this year," Baker said. "I don't buy sometimes when guys say he doesn't have enough fastball, or enough this or that. Somehow, these guys win. They said [former Giants pitcher] John Burkett couldn't throw hard. He ended up being one of the last guys called up by default, because everybody was hurt. He won 15 games in Triple-A and came to the big leagues and stayed 15 years."

Outfielder Drew Stubbs, who began the season in Class A and was the Reds' first-round Draft pick in 2006, is a very outside shot. Stubbs is batting a combined .277 with seven homers, 54 RBIs and 32 steals over three levels this season. The 23-year-old batted .316 through his first nine games with Louisville.

http://cincinnati.reds.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20080823&content_id=3356604&vkey=news_cin&fext=.jsp&c_id=cin

mth123
08-24-2008, 02:11 PM
How's that any worse than DFA'ing Ross a couple of weeks ago. They'd still get paid and maybe get a chance to hook up with someone for next year. Bring on the youth, dump the dreck.

I do realize though that it would probably use up an option so I wouldn't call up Dorn or Fisher, but I'd risk it with Roenicke, Valika and Stubbs. I'd also callup Herrera and at least one of the starters who are already on the 40-man.

* I think the 40th spot is being held open for Owings from the Dunn deal and I believe that the roster on MLB.com shows Belisle already off th 40-man (but not on the 60-day,strange).


Good point about Ross, but letting one guy go is different than a wholesale purge which is what is being suggested. I think if the Reds let multiple guys like that go this close to the end of the year, there would be consequences.

For next year, I hope that Maj, Coffey, Belisle, Patterson, Fogg, Weathers, Affeldt, A. Phillips, Cabrera, Bako, Javy and Hairston are all cut loose. I wouldn't re-sign any of them at this point given the alternatives, the probable prices and the team's seeming direction. I just don't see the players sitting still if 4 or 5 guys are cut loose this close to the end of the year. I don't really like most of those guys as players, but the guys left behind would probably revolt if their buddies were all dumped so unceremoniously en masse like that. Add that a team probably in need of a couple stopgap vets won't have much luck attracting them after a maneuver like that. It's not worth it IMO. Put those guys at the end of the bench while Rosales, Janish, Richar, Castillo, Herrera, Roenicke, Thompson and Maloney assume their roles and I'd have no problem with it, but cutting them this close to rosters expanding seems bush league to me.

Falls City Beer
08-24-2008, 02:29 PM
I think Janish's absence on the MLB roster is telling. I think it signals that he's not being considered as a possible option for SS next year.

mth123
08-24-2008, 02:39 PM
I think Janish's absence on the MLB roster is telling. I think it signals that he's not being considered as a possible option for SS next year.

I agree and really hope he's only a fall back option anyhow. Right now, I'd play him every day to help the pitchers out, but I'd look elsewhere for 2009.

Janish is the second coming of Gary Green IMO. Highly touted glove who just couldn't stick in the majors because of offensive issues. I predict a similar career for Janish. I suppose if Janish reaches his ultimate upside he could be John McDonald, but he has a long way to go IMO. Lets hope Cozart's recently added POP is for real and he works out a little better.

Falls City Beer
08-24-2008, 02:45 PM
I agree and really hope he's only a fall back option anyhow. Right now, I'd play him every day to help the pitchers out, but I'd look elsewhere for 2009.

Janish is the second coming of Gary Green IMO. Highly touted glove who just couldn't stick in the majors because of offensive issues. I predict a similar career for Janish. I suppose if Janish reaches his ultimate upside he could be John McDonald, but he has a long way to go IMO. Lets hope Cozart's recently added POP is for real and he works out a little better.

Cozart?

Does he have any glove at all?

OnBaseMachine
08-24-2008, 02:48 PM
Cozart?

Does he have any glove at all?

He's actually been touted as one of the best defensive shortstops in the minors.

OnBaseMachine
08-24-2008, 02:50 PM
This is what Baseball Prospectus had to say on Cozart a few months ago:

Zach Cozart, SS, Low-A Dayton (Reds)
A second-round pick last year, Cozart entered pro ball as an outstanding defensive shortstop with little offense to offer. The first part of that equation hasn't changed, but the offensive aspect of his game has taken a shocking turn. After hitting just two home runs over 184 at-bats in last year's pro debut, Cozart just slugged his 11th and 12th home runs of the season over the weekend, and is now hitting a shocking .269/.330/.470 in 70 games for the Dragons. The on-base skills are still lacking, but the power development is downright shocking, and all he needed was some kind of offensive upside to project as an everyday player in the big leagues, because the defense really is that good.

http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=7834

Falls City Beer
08-24-2008, 02:53 PM
That's good news about Cozart. I remember him being an athletic pick (and one of the few Wayne picks I liked--with Frazier), but I wasn't sure if that athleticism would translate into real skills.

Highlifeman21
08-24-2008, 02:55 PM
We should definitely bring up at least 4 SP from the minors when the call ups happen, and go to a 9+ man rotation. Give guys like Harang, Arroyo, Volquez and Cueto the rest they need and deserve. No sense to stretch Volquez and Cueto's IP for the year, and this would be a controlled way to shut Harang and Arroyo down for the year.

Gotta look ahead to 2009, ya know...

Caveat Emperor
08-24-2008, 03:40 PM
I think Janish's absence on the MLB roster is telling. I think it signals that he's not being considered as a possible option for SS next year.

Word has it, though, that he's on the inside track to receive the William Bergolla Award, given to the one player in the organization who best exemplifies the "Yeah, but if he could only get his bat going..." caveat.

No word on who the Stephen Smitherman award is going to this season.

TOBTTReds
08-24-2008, 04:12 PM
That's good news about Cozart. I remember him being an athletic pick (and one of the few Wayne picks I liked--with Frazier), but I wasn't sure if that athleticism would translate into real skills.


Not sure if you are thinking of someone else? He was touted as the best defensive SS in all of college baseball when drafted. All glove little stick pick. Looks like the bat may be on its way though now.

Falls City Beer
08-24-2008, 04:50 PM
Not sure if you are thinking of someone else? He was touted as the best defensive SS in all of college baseball when drafted. All glove little stick pick. Looks like the bat may be on its way though now.

Must have been. Either way, it's good news. What round was Cozart?

remdog
08-24-2008, 04:53 PM
With Cueto being pulled with a 'sore right tricep tendon' let's just shut Johnny down and, once the Bats' season is over, let's see what Homer, Thompson and maybe even Maloney can do.

Rem

Benihana
08-24-2008, 05:07 PM
With Cueto being pulled with a 'sore right tricep tendon' let's just shut Johnny down and, once the Bats' season is over, let's see what Homer, Thompson and maybe even Maloney can do.

Rem

If Cueto should be shut down, then ditto for Thompson, who's shoulder issues have seemed to resurfaced in the last couple months.

I think we know what Homer "can do" in the bigs, while I fear that Maloney will get similar results. He would be a guy I'd be looking to trade in the offseason, provided some team gets excited by his minor league results. If he bombs in the bigs, you've just lost that value.

FWIW, I think they should use this last month to give Masset a shot as a starter. He could easily be the #5 starter for next year.

remdog
08-24-2008, 05:10 PM
FWIW, I think they should use this last month to give Masset a shot as a starter. He could easily be the #5 starter for next year.

That's not a bad idea. Maybe use Homer out of the bully in place of Masset.

Rem

SMcGavin
08-24-2008, 06:26 PM
I think Janish's absence on the MLB roster is telling. I think it signals that he's not being considered as a possible option for SS next year.

Agreed, and it's a decision I agree with. You have to be able to at least hit a little bit to be a MLB starter.

OnBaseMachine
08-24-2008, 07:24 PM
Must have been. Either way, it's good news. What round was Cozart?

Second round.

vaticanplum
08-24-2008, 07:51 PM
Word has it, though, that he's on the inside track to receive the William Bergolla Award, given to the one player in the organization who best exemplifies the "Yeah, but if he could only get his bat going..." caveat.

No word on who the Stephen Smitherman award is going to this season.

What happened to William Bergolla anyway?

I swear I have never heard of Cozart, ever. Whether this means I'm escapting the clutches of loserdom or escaping the clutches of my godawful organization is anybody's guess.

OnBaseMachine
08-24-2008, 07:53 PM
What happened to William Bergolla anyway?


He's playing for the Columbus Clippers, the AAA affiliate of the Nationals.

Heath
08-24-2008, 07:56 PM
I think Willie Bergolla was in Columbus with the Nats(!) at one point this year.

I'm all in favor of shutting down Harang & Cueto and pitching whomever. Didn't Justin Lehr come back from Korea?

Put Cueto on the 60 day DL for arm soreness, and let someone take his place.

If you are going to go down in flames, might as well let the kids do it.

LoganBuck
08-24-2008, 09:31 PM
Louisville may suggest that Homer takes Cueto's place. They are trying to win a title. Homer hasn't had positive outings recently, imo.

Sea Ray
08-25-2008, 09:50 AM
We can't count on reinforcements from Louisville anytime real soon. They're headed to the post season and they'll need their players for that.

RedsManRick
08-25-2008, 12:10 PM
We can't count on reinforcements from Louisville anytime real soon. They're headed to the post season and they'll need their players for that.

Well, if his non-use of Rosales in an obvious circumstance is any indication (along with his reluctance to use Bray and Hannigan), Dusty isn't one to give opportunities to the young guys unless there is a gaping hole to be filled.

I'm not sure sitting on a bench in Cincinnati is all that important for the youngsters if there is still baseball to be played in Louisville.

westofyou
08-25-2008, 12:20 PM
Well, if his non-use of Rosales in an obvious circumstance is any indication (along with his reluctance to use Bray and Hannigan), Dusty isn't one to give opportunities to the young guys unless there is a gaping hole to be filled.

I'm not sure sitting on a bench in Cincinnati is all that important for the youngsters if there is still baseball to be played in Louisville.

Hannigan gets time, he's just not going to catch Cueto or Volquez at this juncture... maybe Fogg requested Bako too? 9 out of Bako's last 10 starts involved those three starters.

I wouldn't be surprised if Fogg requested Bako too, Pettite requested that he never throw again to Irod if they could help it.

RedsManRick
08-25-2008, 12:28 PM
Hannigan gets time, he's just not going to catch Cueto or Volquez at this juncture... maybe Fogg requested Bako too? 9 out of Bako's last 10 starts involved those three starters.

I wouldn't be surprised if Fogg requested Bako too, Pettite requested that he never throw again to Irod if they could help it.

Volquez and Cueto I can understand -- though the latter is possibly not an issue moving forward. Josh Fogg should just be happy to get a start and pitch to whom he's told. Ryan Hannigan's development is more important than Josh Fogg's comfort or how well he pitches.

Heath
08-25-2008, 02:37 PM
Mario Soto always liked Alex Trevino.

As it were.

top6
08-25-2008, 04:25 PM
Honestly, I could care less about this incompetent organization and their arrogant, terrible manager, and as I've said before part of me will be happy when GAB is 90% Cubs fans and this organization and Baker suffer the humiliation they richly deserve. (FYI, I think the other part of me is dead.)

That said, I would go down to the ballpark to watch some minor leaguers get their first chance, or to watch a guy like Pettyjohn make it back to the majors after almost a decade.

Kc61
08-25-2008, 04:58 PM
Well, if his non-use of Rosales in an obvious circumstance is any indication (along with his reluctance to use Bray and Hannigan), Dusty isn't one to give opportunities to the young guys unless there is a gaping hole to be filled.

I'm not sure sitting on a bench in Cincinnati is all that important for the youngsters if there is still baseball to be played in Louisville.

Who should sit so Rosales can play. His positions are basically third base and first base. RedsZone fav EE? Should he sit? Or maybe Votto, having a fine rookie year, should hit the pine so that Rosales can play.

Or possibly second base. I guess Phillips could sit so Rosales can play. Not happening.

If you recall, when Hairston got "healthy" the guy sent down was Rosales. That's because the Reds think of him as a AAA player, major league fill-in right now. Accordingly, they don't view him as a guy who should get many at bats right now. He is a major league sub right now.

As for Dusty's supposed reluctance to use kids, it's not so at all. Votto became the first baseman. Hatteberg left. The Reds play three or four rookie starting players every day. Bruce, Votto, and Dickerson play virtually every day. Bray has 51 appearances.

Sea Ray
08-25-2008, 05:03 PM
As for Dusty's supposed reluctance to use kids, it's not so at all. Votto became the first baseman. Hatteberg left. The Reds play three or four rookie starting players every day. Bruce, Votto, and Dickerson play virtually every day. Bray has 51 appearances.


Hatteberg never found work, did he? That's a little surprising to me

OnBaseMachine
08-25-2008, 05:05 PM
Who should sit so Rosales can play. His positions are basically third base and first base. RedsZone fav EE? Should he sit? Or maybe Votto, having a fine rookie year, should hit the pine so that Rosales can play.

Or possibly second base. I guess Phillips could sit so Rosales can play.

If you recall, when Hairston got "healthy" the guy sent down was Rosales. That's because the Reds think of him as a AAA player, major league fill-in right now. Accordingly, they don't view him as a guy who should get many at bats right now. He is a major league sub right now.

As for Dusty's supposed reluctance to use kids, it's not so at all. Votto became the first baseman. Hatteberg left. The Reds play three or four rookie starting players every day. Bruce, Votto, and Dickerson play virtually every day. Bray has 51 appearances.

Rosales can play shortstop. He's not the longterm solution there because he lacks the range but he's no worse than Keppinger.

RedsManRick
08-25-2008, 05:30 PM
Who should sit so Rosales can play. His positions are basically third base and first base. RedsZone fav EE? Should he sit? Or maybe Votto, having a fine rookie year, should hit the pine so that Rosales can play.

Or possibly second base. I guess Phillips could sit so Rosales can play. Not happening.

If you recall, when Hairston got "healthy" the guy sent down was Rosales. That's because the Reds think of him as a AAA player, major league fill-in right now. Accordingly, they don't view him as a guy who should get many at bats right now. He is a major league sub right now.

As for Dusty's supposed reluctance to use kids, it's not so at all. Votto became the first baseman. Hatteberg left. The Reds play three or four rookie starting players every day. Bruce, Votto, and Dickerson play virtually every day. Bray has 51 appearances.

No need to make it so complicated. Dusty decided to play somebody besides Keppinger at SS. He had two choices: The 35 year old utility man Cabrera and the 24 year old Rosales, who has played SS, 3B, and 1B -- though the latter only to protect an arm recovering from surgery. He's lamented the lack of opportunity to play Rosales. He chose Cabrera, citing Rosales's lack of experience at SS.

When Hatteberg was around, Votto was only starting 4 days a week. Votto became the first baseman when Hatteberg was taken away from Dusty. Bruce didn't called up until Patterson fell on his face. Dickerson didn't get called up until both Junior and Dunn were traded for reasons having nothing to do with Dickerson. Bray has pitched fewer innings and appearances than anybody else who has been in the pen all year (Cordero, Weathers, Affeldt, Lincoln) and has been the most effective.

It's not that Dusty avoids youngsters like the plague. It's that he treats them with kid gloves. Dusty, as he has discussed at length, is very big on keeping guys confident and happy. He wants to put youngsters only in situations where they are likely to succeed until he has confidence that they can handle the adversity of a larger role. What happens in the process though is that he puts older guys in situations where they can fail. He seems to use age and experience disproportionately relative to talent and ability in making decisions about who to use when; at least by my tastes.

REDREAD
08-25-2008, 05:33 PM
Nobody will get released this close to the end of the season IMO. The Reds may be able to deal a guy like Weathers or Affeldt to open spce, but no one gets relased to open 40 man spots in late August. It would kill the team's reputation with players IMO.

Yep. Really no point in DFAing players when rosters expand. Isn't that the whole point of roster expansion, so you can look at kids without DFAing vets?

Why throw away depth for nothing? We're paying Fogg, Patterson, Bako, etc regardless...

REDREAD
08-25-2008, 05:34 PM
I think Janish's absence on the MLB roster is telling. I think it signals that he's not being considered as a possible option for SS next year.

Looks like he's pigeon-holed in the role of emergency infield help at AAA for as long as the Reds are able to hold him there.

Tony Cloninger
08-25-2008, 06:08 PM
Since when has Baker been reluctant to use Bray?? Stick with bashing the obvious ones....like not using Rosales.

Spring~Fields
08-25-2008, 06:21 PM
Who should sit so Rosales can play. His positions are basically third base and first base. RedsZone fav EE? Should he sit? Or maybe Votto, having a fine rookie year, should hit the pine so that Rosales can play.

Or possibly second base. I guess Phillips could sit so Rosales can play. Not happening.

If you recall, when Hairston got "healthy" the guy sent down was Rosales. That's because the Reds think of him as a AAA player, major league fill-in right now. Accordingly, they don't view him as a guy who should get many at bats right now. He is a major league sub right now.

As for Dusty's supposed reluctance to use kids, it's not so at all. Votto became the first baseman. Hatteberg left. The Reds play three or four rookie starting players every day. Bruce, Votto, and Dickerson play virtually every day. Bray has 51 appearances.

What difference does it make being 23.5 games behind and in last place in the division with several players already having a lot of TPA and some of those struggling in August.

What would it hurt if some of them were to receive days off and what is the resistance to allowing players with less PA to get in more playing time?
The team has 31 games left to make good use of trying to see what players might or might not bring to the team against major league pitching and defenses when they are in top form.

Who is advocating benching anyone?

The team has well established what the more experienced players can or cannot do and their value.

What is the point of playing the more experienced or the veterans at this stage when the Reds are out of it for the season?

It looks like some of these guys could use a day off.


August Season TPA
B. Phillips .200 .250 .447 .697 549
Encarncion .224 .298 .355 .653 473
Joey Votto .382 .414 .545 .959 453
J. Keppinger .205 .250 .256 .506 382
Paul Bako .143 .205 .171 .377 295
Jay Bruce .227 .253 .489 .741 332
C. Patterson .234 .286 .391 .676 291
J. Valentin .241 .333 .483 .816 126
Ryan Hanigan .238 .333 .429 .762 24
J. Cabrera .276 .313 .517 .830 60
C. Dickerson .319 .385 .681 1.065 52
A. Rosales 7




Experience
P. Bako 10 years
J. Hairston 10 years
J. Valentin 9 years
C. Patterson 8 years
J. Cabrera 7 years
B. Phillips 6 years
J. Keppinger 3 years
E. Encarncion 3 years
J. Bruce
R. Hanigan
C. Dickerson
J. Votto
Rosales


Let the rookies play, we have seen enough of the players that should not have been on this team to begin with, and should be DFA by W. Jocketty

Spring~Fields
08-25-2008, 06:24 PM
Why throw away depth for nothing? We're paying Fogg, Patterson, Bako, etc regardless...

Team depth?

Do you expect Jocketty to resign them?

Spring~Fields
08-25-2008, 06:37 PM
No need to make it so complicated. Dusty decided to play somebody besides Keppinger at SS. He had two choices: The 35 year old utility man Cabrera and the 24 year old Rosales, who has played SS, 3B, and 1B -- though the latter only to protect an arm recovering from surgery. He's lamented the lack of opportunity to play Rosales. He chose Cabrera, citing Rosales's lack of experience at SS.

When Hatteberg was around, Votto was only starting 4 days a week. Votto became the first baseman when Hatteberg was taken away from Dusty. Bruce didn't called up until Patterson fell on his face. Dickerson didn't get called up until both Junior and Dunn were traded for reasons having nothing to do with Dickerson. Bray has pitched fewer innings and appearances than anybody else who has been in the pen all year (Cordero, Weathers, Affeldt, Lincoln) and has been the most effective.

He seems to use age and experience disproportionately relative to talent and ability in making decisions about who to use when; at least by my tastes.

On the season
At shortstop - 5 players
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/teams/batting?team=cin&season=2008&seasonType=2&split=82&cat=plateAppearances&order=true&type=exp
At third - 8 players
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/teams/batting?team=cin&season=2008&seasonType=2&split=81&cat=plateAppearances&order=true&type=exp
At second - 6 players
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/teams/batting?team=cin&season=2008&seasonType=2&split=80&cat=plateAppearances&order=true&type=exp
At first - 5 players
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/teams/batting?team=cin&season=2008&seasonType=2&split=79&cat=plateAppearances&order=true&type=exp
In center - 6 players
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/teams/batting?team=cin&season=2008&seasonType=2&split=84&cat=plateAppearances&order=true&type=exp
In left - 7 players
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/teams/batting?team=cin&season=2008&seasonType=2&split=83&cat=plateAppearances&order=true&type=exp
In right - 6 players
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/teams/batting?team=cin&season=2008&seasonType=2&split=85&cat=plateAppearances&order=true&type=exp
C - 4 players
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/teams/batting?team=cin&season=2008&seasonType=2&split=78&cat=plateAppearances&order=true&type=exp