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dougdirt
08-27-2008, 02:58 PM
From Pittsburgh Post Gazette:



The Major League Baseball Players Assocation today will file a grievance against the Pirates regarding the signing of first-round draft pick Pedro Alvarez, according to two sources.

The union's contention is that Alvarez agreed to his contract after the Aug. 15 midnight deadline.

UPDATE 1:43 p.m.: The Pirates react by issuing a statement. This is it in full:

"At the Pirates' request, the Office of the Commissioner today placed Pedro Alvarez on Major League Baseball's Restricted List. The Pirates were forced to request that Pedro be placed on the Restricted List because we were informed by his agent, Scott Boras, that Pedro will not sign the contract to which he agreed on August 15. Boras further informed us that Pedro will not report to the Club unless we renegotiate his contract and agree to pay him more than the $6 million signing bonus to which he agreed.

"The Major League Rules provide that a player who refuses to sign a Uniform Player Contract to which he has agreed and report to the signing Club shall, upon a report of the signing Club, be placed on the Restricted List until he signs a contract reflecting the terms to which he has agreed. Such a player may not sign a contract with or play for any other Club. While demanding that we renegotiate his contract and pay Pedro more than the $6 million signing bonus to which Pedro agreed, Mr. Boras has contended that the contract we reached with Pedro was consummated after the Aug. 15 deadline. This claim was not raised on the evening of the 15th when we informed Mr. Boras that Major League Baseball had confirmed that the contract was submitted in a timely fashion. Mr. Boras asserted this claim several days later, after all of the draft signings had become publicized.

"The Pirates are confident that the contract reached with Pedro Alvarez was agreed to and submitted to Major League Baseball in a timely fashion and properly accepted by Major League Baseball. In fact, the contract between the Kansas City Royals and Eric Hosmer, another Boras client, was submitted to the Office of the Commissioner after our contract with Pedro was submitted. Mr. Boras is apparently satisfied with the $6 million bonus that he secured for Mr. Hosmer and has not challenged the validity of that contract. Mr. Boras has been informed that if he pursues a claim that our contract with Pedro was not timely he puts Eric Hosmer's contract with Kansas City in jeopardy.

"The Pirates made several attempts to commence negotiations immediately following the draft and were willing and ready to agree to pay Pedro a $6 million signing bonus from the very outset. Predictably, however, Mr. Boras refused to engage in any negotiations at all until shortly before the August 15 deadline and even then an agreement was reached only after Pedro took control of the negotiations.

"Regrettably, we are not surprised that Mr. Boras would attempt to raise a meritless legal claim in an effort to compel us to renegotiate Pedro's contract to one more to his liking. We are, however, disappointed that Pedro would allow his agent to pursue this claim on his behalf. Pedro showed tremendous fortitude and independent thinking when he agreed to his contract on August 15.

"The Office of the Commissioner has assured us that we have a valid contract with Pedro and that it will vigorously defend any claim to the contrary. Despite our disappointment, we continue to believe in Pedro Alvarez the person and the baseball player and remain excited to add Pedro to our system. We will sit down with Pedro and his family as soon as Mr. Boras' claim is rejected to chart a new and much more productive start to Pedro's career with the Pittsburgh Pirates."

mac624
08-27-2008, 03:25 PM
Office to slot pay draft picks? I only wish it would, because it's getting beyond rediculous what these kids are getting paid. As for Boras, well, I've never liked him and I'd be very happy if the Reds stayed away from ever drafting one of his guys.

AccordinglyReds
08-27-2008, 03:46 PM
I like the way Pittsburgh is going about it. :)

Sea Ray
08-27-2008, 03:50 PM
I guess it all comes down to proof that this kid "agreed" to the contract. Do they have a signature? a fax? a voicemail?

757690
08-27-2008, 04:19 PM
If I were the Pirates, I would say that there is no deal, let him go and get two picks in the top five next year. There is a good chance that they would get him again, and he would have less leverage. Even if they don't get him they would get the third pick next year and that guy should be equal in talent to him.
I also would then lobby hard for hard slots for next year, which would mean that Alvarez would get far less than $6M.

What amazes me is why players continue to sign with Boros when he continues to pull stunts like this. This has nothing to do with helping Alvarez. The difference between $6M and $6.2M isn't worth risking your career, but that extra $200K lets Boros brag that he got the highest bonus this year. It is pure selfish greed for Boros, and again with absolutely no concern for the career of the player he represents.

GoReds33
08-27-2008, 05:24 PM
If I were the Pirates, I would say that there is no deal, let him go and get two picks in the top five next year. There is a good chance that they would get him again, and he would have less leverage. Even if they don't get him they would get the third pick next year and that guy should be equal in talent to him.
I also would then lobby hard for hard slots for next year, which would mean that Alvarez would get far less than $6M.

What amazes me is why players continue to sign with Boros when he continues to pull stunts like this. This has nothing to do with helping Alvarez. The difference between $6M and $6.2M isn't worth risking your career, but that extra $200K lets Boros brag that he got the highest bonus this year. It is pure selfish greed for Boros, and again with absolutely no concern for the career of the player he represents.I believe that if you draft a player and cannot sign them, you can't pick them the next year. That's if I understand the rule correctly.

Tony Cloninger
08-27-2008, 09:21 PM
His clients do not care......they are as big headed and ego driven as he is. They want to have the highest bonus as much as Boras does.

A-Rod....great player, wish the reds had him...but i think he would rather be the highest paid player than win a WS. That is his motivation, IMO......if he happens to be on a WS winner, it is a bonus. I really believe that.

SMcGavin
08-27-2008, 09:25 PM
This is a perfect way to handle it from Pittsburgh's side. Pointing out that Hosmer signed after Alvarez is especially good. It's not just because of this, but I really like the new front office that Pittsburgh has in place.

LoganBuck
08-27-2008, 09:30 PM
I believe that if you draft a player and cannot sign them, you can't pick them the next year. That's if I understand the rule correctly.

You can, if the player in question says that you can.

GoReds33
08-27-2008, 09:34 PM
You can, if the player in question says that you can.Oh, sorry. Thanks for clearing that up. I wasn't 100% sure.

camisadelgolf
08-28-2008, 02:23 AM
You can, if the player in question says that you can.

Yes, but the player needs to give written permission, which may be a problem in Alvarez's case. :D

klw
08-28-2008, 07:30 AM
Idiotic move by Alvarez. Unless Pitt caves and gives him a higher bonus and somehow MLB approves it, and I don't see how it could. If he doesn't it puts him a year behind in getting to arbitration, free agency etc.

redsmetz
08-30-2008, 08:41 AM
I saw in today's Enquirer's "Short Hops" that MLB has ruled that the Royals first round draft choice, Eric Hosmer can't play until the Pirates settle this dispute. According to the blurb, the commissioner's office withdrew approval of Hosmer's contract pending a resolution of the grievance against the Pirates.

This is a good strategic move by MLB and will put pressure on Boras now that another client is pulled back. I could imagine Hosmer would be unhappy with this, understandably.

Now, as a number of folks have mentioned, MLB needs to firm up this informal slotting system and that needs to be done within the CBA. What I don't know is can that be reopened for something like this (ala the drug screening) or whether it will have to wait and fester until the current agreement is up. The powers that be do themselves no favors when they independently create structures like this out of of their basic agreements. There's no question the agents (and the draftees) want to push this aside. Lets come to some agreements between the parties and not have this kabuki dance each year.

Joseph
08-30-2008, 09:52 AM
It seems to me that there are one of two things that can happen here, at least if I'm in charge.

Alvarez can sign the agreed upon deal. Or Alvarez can go play independent ball because the agreement was made after deadline.

Boras shouldn't have a leg to stand on because the rule is simple, you sign before midnight or you don't. Its not you sign before midnight, or you agree to sign if you can come to terms you really like later.

redsmetz
08-30-2008, 10:00 AM
It seems to me that there are one of two things that can happen here, at least if I'm in charge.

Alvarez can sign the agreed upon deal. Or Alvarez can go play independent ball because the agreement was made after deadline.

Boras shouldn't have a leg to stand on because the rule is simple, you sign before midnight or you don't. Its not you sign before midnight, or you agree to sign if you can come to terms you really like later.

There's no question that MLB's move to drag Hosmer into the equation is meant to put their feet to the fire.

SirFelixCat
08-30-2008, 08:07 PM
There's no question that MLB's move to drag Hosmer into the equation is meant to put their feet to the fire.

And good to see, tbh. I really would like it in writing in the next CBA regarding slot money for draft picks...


Is there any realistic chance that the player's union 'allows' that to be included?

flyer85
08-30-2008, 08:10 PM
There's no question that MLB's move to drag Hosmer into the equation is meant to put their feet to the fire.it may be the case that it puts the feet of Boras to the fire but it only makes sense ... the Ok for Hosmer's deal came after Alvarez according to MLB so if an arbitrator invalidates the Alvarez deal it only follows that Hosmer's deal is void as well.

ChatterRed
08-31-2008, 07:44 PM
Scott Boras a.k.a. Satan.

Caveat Emperor
09-01-2008, 01:50 PM
Is there any realistic chance that the player's union 'allows' that to be included?

I don't know why they wouldn't -- every dollar being paid to these "top prospects' is potentially one less dollar to pay to an established big-leaguer who IS a member of the MLBPA (unlike these kids).

OnBaseMachine
09-22-2008, 12:08 PM
Report: Pirates, No. 2 pick Alvarez agree on deal despite grievance

ESPN.com news services

Updated: September 22, 2008, 9:17 AM ET

The Pirates have agreed to a reworked deal with third baseman Pedro Alvarez, the No. 2 overall pick from Vanderbilt who Pittsburgh initially signed a month ago before a union grievance put the contract on hold, the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette reported Monday.

Alvarez and the Pirates agreed to a four-year deal Sunday night worth a guaranteed $6.4 million, the newspaper reported, citing three sources close to the contract talks. The deal is contingent on a physical expected to be performed early this week.

The Pirates' No. 2 overall pick this year, Pedro Alvarez -- playing for Team USA last summer -- has agreed to a revised $6.4 million deal, according to a newspaper report.

A source told the Post-Gazette the Pirates' signing of the power-hitting collegiate star would likely result in the voiding of a grievance the players' association filed Aug. 27 against the commissioner's office.

It contended Major League Baseball had violated its collective bargaining agreement with the players by approving an agreement between Alvarez and the Pirates shortly after a midnight deadline Aug. 15.

An arbitrator heard the complaint Sept. 10 in New York, a hearing that included commissioner Bud Selig. Two more hearings were set for Tuesday and Wednesday, the newspaper reported.

"Regrettably, we are not surprised that Mr. Boras would attempt to raise a meritless legal claim in an effort to compel us to renegotiate Pedro's contract to one more of his liking," Pirates president Frank Coonelly said in a statement on Aug. 27, referring to agent Scott Boras. "We are, however, disappointed that Pedro would allow his agent to pursue this claim on his behalf.

"Pedro showed tremendous fortitude and independent thinking when he agreed to his contract on Aug. 15."

Alvarez and the Pirates originally agreed to a minor league deal with a $6 million signing bonus. The new contract retains the $6 million bonus but would pay it over four years instead of two, the Post-Gazette reported.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3602002

Strider
09-22-2008, 05:59 PM
OBM...

Help me understand why paying out a $6M bonus over 4 years rather than 2 is better for Alvarez?

He will be in the top tax bracket regardless and the time value of money would seem to dictate that dollars sooner is better than dollars later...

PuffyPig
09-22-2008, 08:44 PM
OBM...

Help me understand why paying out a $6M bonus over 4 years rather than 2 is better for Alvarez?

He will be in the top tax bracket regardless and the time value of money would seem to dictate that dollars sooner is better than dollars later...

It's not better, it's worse, as you say.

But he got $400,000 more which would likely offset the difference.

But it allows Boras to say he got a higher bonus.