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GAC
08-27-2008, 06:14 PM
We did it last year. And it's that time again, so here's week #1's schedule. Pick your winners/losers and may the best man win.

Here was last year's final standings....

Playadlc 32-11 .744

Iowa Red 24-9 .727

BuckeyeRed27 33-13 .717

GAC 39-16 .709

Danny Serafini 39-16 .709

Unassisted 39-16 .709

BuckWoody 30-13 .697

Strikes Out Looking 29-14 .674

texasdave 33-16 .673

Week #1

Akron @ Wisconsin
Coastal Carolina @ Penn State
Maine @ Iowa
Syracuse @ Northwestern
Western Ky @ Indiana
Youngstown State @ OSU
Utah @ Michigan
Northern Illinois @ Minnesota
Michigan State @ Cal
Illinois @ Missouri

*BaseClogger*
08-27-2008, 06:44 PM
Can I play?

I'll take:
Wiscy
PSU
Iowa
Northwestern
Indiana
tOSU
Michigan
Minnesota
Cal
Missouri

GAC
08-27-2008, 07:26 PM
Can I play?

It's open to everyone.... once you pay a small franchise people. :p:

RedsManRick
08-27-2008, 08:03 PM
Wisconsin
Penn State
Iowa
Syracuse
Indiana
OSU
Michigan
Minnesota
Cal
Missouri

Buckeye33
08-27-2008, 08:09 PM
Akron @ Wisconsin
Coastal Carolina @ Penn State
Maine @ Iowa
Syracuse @ Northwestern
Western Ky @ Indiana
Youngstown State @ OSU
Utah @ Michigan
Northern Illinois @ Minnesota
Michigan State @ Cal
Illinois @ Missouri

mole44
08-27-2008, 09:06 PM
Wisconsin
Penn State
owa
Northwestern
Indiana
OSU
Utah
Northern Illinois
Cal
Missouri

MasonBuzz3
08-27-2008, 10:07 PM
Akron @ Wisconsin
Coastal Carolina @ Penn State
Maine @ Iowa
Syracuse @ Northwestern
Western Ky @ Indiana
Youngstown State @ OSU
Utah @ Michigan
Northern Illinois @ Minnesota
Michigan State @ Cal
Illinois @ Missouri

OSUredsFAN
08-27-2008, 10:09 PM
I join this thing:

Week #1
Akron @ Wisconsin
Coastal Carolina @ Penn State
Maine @ Iowa
Syracuse @ Northwestern
Western Ky @ Indiana
Youngstown State @ OSU
Utah @ Michigan
Northern Illinois @ Minnesota
Michigan State@ Cal
Illinois @ Missouri

*BaseClogger*
08-28-2008, 01:14 AM
I join this thing:

Week #1
Akron @ Wisconsin
Coastal Carolina @ Penn State
Maine @ Iowa
Syracuse @ Northwestern
Western Ky @ Indiana
Youngstown State @ OSU
Utah @ Michigan
Northern Illinois @ Minnesota
Michigan State@ Cal
Illinois @ Missouri

Go Big Ten! :lol:

BuckeyeRed27
08-28-2008, 01:53 AM
Akron @ Wisconsin - Wisco
Coastal Carolina @ Penn State - PSU
Maine @ Iowa - Iowa
Syracuse @ Northwestern - ugh....Syracuse
Western Ky @ Indiana - IU
Youngstown State @ OSU - OSU (it's too damn hot for penguins)
Utah @ Michigan - Utah
Northern Illinois @ Minnesota - ugh...Minnesota
Michigan State @ Cal - Sparty
Illinois @ Missouri - Missou

OSUredsFAN
08-28-2008, 02:45 AM
Go Big Ten! :lol:

Ha, I didn't even notice that. I was just picking the games based on matchups. But yeah, go Big 11!!!!

OUReds
08-28-2008, 06:29 AM
Akron @ Wisconsin
Coastal Carolina @ Penn State
Maine @ Iowa
Syracuse @ Northwestern
Western Ky @ Indiana
Youngstown State @ OSU
Utah @ Michigan
Northern Illinois @ Minnesota
Michigan State @ Cal
Illinois @ Missouri

Four tough calls this week, I could see Utah, Sparty, Illinois, and N. Illinois all winning.

Danny Serafini
08-28-2008, 09:41 AM
Wisconsin 37 Akron 10
Penn St. 41 Coastal Carolina 3
Iowa 35 Maine 6
Syracuse 17 Northwestern 14
Indiana 31 W. Kentucky 7
Ohio St. 41 Youngstown St. 3
Utah 24 Michigan 17
Minnesota 10 N. Illinois 6
California 24 Michigan St. 14
Missouri 31 Illinois 21

Hoosier Red
08-28-2008, 10:01 AM
Wisconsin
Penn State
Iowa
Northwestern
Indiana
tOSU
Michigan
Cal
Mizzou
Minnesota

cumberlandreds
08-28-2008, 11:32 AM
We did it last year. And it's that time again, so here's week #1's schedule. Pick your winners/losers and may the best man win.

Here was last year's final standings....

Playadlc 32-11 .744

Iowa Red 24-9 .727

BuckeyeRed27 33-13 .717

GAC 39-16 .709

Danny Serafini 39-16 .709

Unassisted 39-16 .709

BuckWoody 30-13 .697

Strikes Out Looking 29-14 .674

texasdave 33-16 .673

Week #1

Akron @ Wisconsin
Coastal Carolina @ Penn State
Maine @ Iowa
Syracuse @ Northwestern
Western Ky @ Indiana
Youngstown State @ OSU
Utah @ Michigan
Northern Illinois @ Minnesota
Michigan State @ Cal
Illinois @ Missouri

If you will take predictions from an old SEC fan,I'll play. :)

Here they are:
Wisconsin
Penn State
Iowa
Syracuse
Indiana
OSU
Michigan
Cal
Missouri

IowaRed
08-28-2008, 02:22 PM
Akron @ Wisconsin 45-10
Coastal Carolina @ Penn State 39-0
Maine @ Iowa 27-17
Syracuse @ Northwestern 24-19
Western Ky @ Indiana 38-14
Youngstown State @ OSU 48-7
Utah @ Michigan 20-9
Northern Illinois @ Minnesota 38-34
Michigan State @ Cal 27-13
Illinois @ Missouri 47-24

OnBaseMachine
08-28-2008, 02:45 PM
Wisconsin
Penn State
Iowa
Northwestern
Indiana
OSU
Michigan
Minnesota
Michigan State
Missouri

cincrazy
08-28-2008, 04:08 PM
Akron @ Wisconsin
Coastal Carolina @ Penn State
Maine @ Iowa
Syracuse @ Northwestern
Western Ky @ Indiana
Youngstown State @ OSU
Utah @ Michigan
Northern Illinois @ Minnesota
Michigan State @ Cal
Illinois @ Missouri

Spring~Fields
08-28-2008, 05:21 PM
Akron @ Wisconsin Akron
Coastal Carolina @ Penn State Coastal Carolina
Maine @ Iowa Maine
Syracuse @ Northwestern Syracuse
Western Ky @ Indiana Western Ky
Youngstown State @ OSU Youngstown State
Utah @ Michigan Utah
Northern Illinois @ Minnesota Northern Illinois
Michigan State @ Cal Cal
Illinois @ Missouri Missouri

GAC
08-28-2008, 08:57 PM
I had to do vast amounts of research before I get my picks wrong. :p:

But here they are...


Akron @ Wisconsin 48-6
Coastal Carolina @ Penn State 42-7
Maine @ Iowa 31-10
Syracuse @ Northwestern 21-12
Western Ky @ Indiana 28-20
Youngstown State @ OSU 45-7
Utah @ Michigan 27-13
Northern Illinois @ Minnesota 45-21
Michigan State @ Cal 28-24
Illinois @ Missouri 38-13

OSUredsFAN
08-28-2008, 11:30 PM
Akron @ Wisconsin Akron
Coastal Carolina @ Penn State Coastal Carolina
Maine @ Iowa Maine
Syracuse @ Northwestern Syracuse
Western Ky @ Indiana Western Ky
Youngstown State @ OSU Youngstown State
Utah @ Michigan Utah
Northern Illinois @ Minnesota Northern Illinois
Michigan State @ Cal Cal
Illinois @ Missouri Missouri


Somebody either is on drugs or just hates the Big 11

TheOnlyRedsFan
08-29-2008, 02:28 AM
Coastal Carolina @ Penn State
Maine @ Iowa
Syracuse @ Northwestern
Western Ky @ Indiana
Youngstown State @ OSU
Utah @ Michigan
Northern Illinois @ Minnesota
Michigan State @ Cal
Illinois @ Missouri

Spring~Fields
08-29-2008, 06:29 PM
Somebody either is on drugs or just hates the Big 11

:lol:

Neither, I just wanted to root for the underdogs for a change.

I do have a bit of an attitude toward the Big Ten/Big One little ten and their scheduling, but that has been hashed over before. I would enjoy some of the small schools knocking some of them off.

*BaseClogger*
08-29-2008, 10:45 PM
:lol:

Neither, I just wanted to root for the underdogs for a change.

I do have a bit of an attitude toward the Big Ten/Big One little ten and their scheduling, but that has been hashed over before. I would enjoy some of the small schools knocking some of them off.

Mizzou and Cal will be underdogs? News to my ears...

Spring~Fields
08-30-2008, 12:14 PM
Mizzou and Cal will be underdogs? News to my ears...

:oops:

Okay so I had a Big Attitude toward the Big One and little ten. :)

MWM
08-30-2008, 03:09 PM
Utah is going to beat Michigan. But I think it's more because they're actually a better team.

OnBaseMachine
08-30-2008, 07:07 PM
Utah is going to beat Michigan. But I think it's more because they're actually a better team.

Good call. Utah just beat Michigan 25-23.

MWM
08-30-2008, 07:57 PM
Good call. Utah just beat Michigan 25-23.

Utah is a legitimately top 20 team. They're returning almost an entire team that pretty good last year. They can't play with the top teams, but outside that top tier, they can play with about anyone.

OnBaseMachine
08-30-2008, 10:14 PM
Utah is a legitimately top 20 team. They're returning almost an entire team that pretty good last year. They can't play with the top teams, but outside that top tier, they can play with about anyone.

Agreed. I like BYU and Utah as the two candidates from a non BCS conference to reach a BCS bowl this year. There's a chance both teams could be 11-0 when they face off in the last week of the season.

OnBaseMachine
08-30-2008, 11:49 PM
Wisconsin
Penn State
Iowa
Northwestern
Indiana
OSU
Michigan
Minnesota
Michigan State
Missouri

Well, I got eight of 10 right. Utah beat Michigan and Cal beat Michigan State.

MWM
08-31-2008, 12:36 AM
If MSU and Michigan are bad this year, it could be another really bad year for the Big Ten.

Danny Serafini
08-31-2008, 01:17 AM
If I wasn't a 'Cuse homer I would've run the table. Oh well, I suppose I can afford to lose one game early.

GAC
08-31-2008, 04:40 AM
Utah is going to beat Michigan. But I think it's more because they're actually a better team.

When I was making my picks I wanted badly to pick Utah. They are going to be a sound team this year. The only thing that stopped me was they were playing in the Big House. Sheridan looked terrible. He should have had more then one INT that is for sure.

That game tripped up most people. The entire schedule tripped up Spring~Fields ;)

WEEK 1 SCORES

Northwestern 30 Syracuse 10
Indiana 31 Western KY 13
OSU 43 Youngstown State 0
Penn State 66 Coastal Carolina 10
Wisconsin 38 Akron 17
Iowa 46 Maine 3
Utah 25 Michigan 23
Minnesota 31 N. Illinois 27
Missouri 52 Illinois 41
California 38 MSU 31


WEEK 1 STANDINGS



BaseClogger 9-1 .900
mole44 9-1 .900
OUReds 9-1 .900
Danny Serafini 9-1 .900
Hoosier Red 9-1 .900
cincrazy 9-1 .900
IowaRed 9-1 .900
GAC 9-1 .900
RedsManRick 8-2 .800
Buckeye33 8-2 .800
MasonBuzz3 8-2 .800
BuckeyeRed27 8-2 .800
OnBaseMachine 8-2 .800
OSUredsFAN 7-3 .700
cumberlandreds 7-2 .777 missed N. Illinois/Minnesota
TheOnlyRedsFan 7-2 .777 missed Akron/Wisconsin
Spring~Fields 3-7 .300

Spring~Fields
08-31-2008, 01:09 PM
That game tripped up most people. The entire schedule tripped up Spring~Fields ;)

WEEK 1 SCORES

Utah 25 Michigan 23
Missouri 52 Illinois 41
California 38 MSU 31




I should have known better than to count on those Michigan teams, despite my overlooking Missouri, I could have been perfect 0-10, it is not easy to pick them in reverse. Try it sometime, pick the losers.

GAC
09-01-2008, 05:14 AM
Try it sometime, pick the losers.

I bet you play alot of musical chairs at your house huh? ;)

WEEK #2 SCHEDULE

Ohio @ OSU
Marshall @ Wisconsin
E. Illinois @ Illinois
E. Michigan @ Michigan State
Miami(OH) @ Michigan
Florida Int. @ Iowa
N. Colorado @ Purdue
Oregon State @ Penn State
Murray State @ Indiana
Northwestern @ Duke
Minnesota @ Bowling Green

Spring~Fields
09-01-2008, 09:43 AM
I bet you play alot of musical chairs at your house huh? ;)

WEEK #2 SCHEDULE

Ohio @ OSU
Marshall @ Wisconsin
E. Illinois @ Illinois
E. Michigan @ Michigan State
Miami(OH) @ Michigan
Florida Int. @ Iowa
N. Colorado @ Purdue
Oregon State @ Penn State
Murray State @ Indiana
Northwestern @ Duke
Minnesota @ Bowling Green

I should have received points for degree of difficutly, the rest of you took the easy street. :)

What a schedule for the Big and Wants-It-EASY-Eleven, my goodness talk about wanting it soft. Even the Michigan teams should win this week. OSU will be ill-prepared for USC at this rate.

I will take the easy ones like you GAC this week. :p:
OSU
Wisconsin
Illinois
Michigan State
Michigan
Iowa
Purdue
Penn State
Indiana
Northwestern
Bowling Green - I wonder if they are for real, teams usually have a let down after a big win, but Minnesota had to do all it could to win last week.

OnBaseMachine
09-01-2008, 09:57 AM
WEEK #2 SCHEDULE

OSU
Wisconsin
Illinois
Michigan State
Michigan
Iowa
Purdue
Penn State
Indiana
Northwestern
Bowling Green

OUReds
09-01-2008, 10:22 AM
WEEK #2 SCHEDULE

Ohio @ OSU
Marshall @ Wisconsin
E. Illinois @ Illinois
E. Michigan @ Michigan State
Miami(OH) @ Michigan
Florida Int. @ Iowa
N. Colorado @ Purdue
Oregon State @ Penn State
Murray State @ Indiana
Northwestern @ Duke
Minnesota @ Bowling Green


I really thought that the Michigan D would step up in the Utah game. Who knew they would take the entire first half off?

cincrazy
09-01-2008, 10:37 AM
WEEK #2 SCHEDULE

Ohio @ OSU
Marshall @ Wisconsin
E. Illinois @ Illinois
E. Michigan @ Michigan State
Miami(OH) @ Michigan
Florida Int. @ Iowa
N. Colorado @ Purdue
Oregon State @ Penn State
Murray State @ Indiana
Northwestern @ Duke
Minnesota @ Bowling Green

mole44
09-01-2008, 11:57 AM
OSU
Wisconsin
Illinois
Michigan State
Michigan
Iowa
Purdue
Penn State
Indiana
Northwestern
Bowling Green

RedsManRick
09-01-2008, 12:44 PM
Ohio @ OSU
Marshall @ Wisconsin
E. Illinois @ Illinois
E. Michigan @ Michigan State
Miami(OH) @ Michigan
Florida Int. @ Iowa
N. Colorado @ Purdue
Oregon State @ Penn State
Murray State @ Indiana
Northwestern @ Duke
Minnesota @ Bowling Green

cincrazy
09-01-2008, 12:46 PM
I really wasn't all that impressed with Utah to be honest. I mean a win in the Big House is big for their program, but lets face it, Michigan is absolutely awful. Utah did everything in their power down the stretch to blow the game with a blocked punt and a TO, but Michigan couldn't cash in. I wasn't very impressed with their offensive line, and although Brian Johnson's stats at the end of the day looked great, I really wasn't all that blown away with him either.

*BaseClogger*
09-01-2008, 04:22 PM
WEEK #2 SCHEDULE

Ohio @ OSU
Marshall @ Wisconsin
E. Illinois @ Illinois
E. Michigan @ Michigan State
Miami(OH) @ Michigan
Florida Int. @ Iowa
N. Colorado @ Purdue
Oregon State @ Penn State
Murray State @ Indiana
Northwestern @ Duke
Minnesota @ Bowling Green

cincrazy
09-01-2008, 05:23 PM
WEEK #2 SCHEDULE

Ohio @ OSU
Marshall @ Wisconsin
E. Illinois @ Illinois
E. Michigan @ Michigan State
Miami(OH) @ Michigan
Florida Int. @ Iowa
N. Colorado @ Purdue
Oregon State @ Penn State
Murray State @ Indiana
Northwestern @ Duke
Minnesota @ Bowling Green


Fixed it :). Originally I didn't bold my OSU-Ohio pick.... I mean the game IS a toss-up and everything :)

Thanks for pointing that out Baseclogger, appreciate it

Spring~Fields
09-01-2008, 07:01 PM
Fixed it :). Originally I didn't bold my OSU-Ohio pick.... I mean the game IS a toss-up and everything :)



:lol:

Yikes with that three headed QB at OSU let's hope not, it just might bite them next week. :(

cincrazy
09-01-2008, 07:47 PM
:lol:

Yikes with that three headed QB at OSU let's hope not, it just might bite them next week. :(

Are you referring to the USC game? I hope it doesn't bite them. It bit us against Texas in 2005, hopefully we can avoid that scenario this time. I really think it will throw USC off a little bit. The their defense is so talented, I'm very worried about whether or not our receiver's can get open. And with Beanie being hurt... :thumbdown

But In Tressel I Trust :)

GAC
09-01-2008, 09:03 PM
I should have received points for degree of difficutly, the rest of you took the easy street. :)

What a schedule for the Big and Wants-It-EASY-Eleven, my goodness talk about wanting it soft. Even the Michigan teams should win this week. OSU will be ill-prepared for USC at this rate.

I will take the easy ones like you GAC this week. :p:

Well.... the object of this whole "competition" IS to pick the weekly WINNERS.

You've been listening to Baker's philosophy too long on how to pick winners.

You must have graduated from South! :p:

GAC
09-01-2008, 09:21 PM
Ok. Here are my picks....

Ohio @ OSU
Marshall @ Wisconsin
E. Illinois @ Illinois
E. Michigan @ Michigan State
Miami(OH) @ Michigan
Florida Int. @ Iowa
N. Colorado @ Purdue
Oregon State @ Penn State
Murray State @ Indiana
Northwestern @ Duke
Minnesota @ Bowling Green

I gotta a feeling I'm gonna get burned on the Minnesota-Bowling Green game, but I'm hanging. Coach Brewster does not impress me. ;)

Spring~Fields
09-01-2008, 10:45 PM
Well.... the object of this whole "competition" IS to pick the weekly WINNERS.

Well I did this time, ten of them, you missed one, I will tell you which one after the results are in :D


I gotta a feeling I'm gonna get burned on the Minnesota-Bowling Green game, but I'm hanging. Coach Brewster does not impress me.

That Minnesota/Bowling Green game has been haunting me since I made the pick, you might be right. I am going to stick with the first thought. If I were you, I would change that pick to Minnesota though. :evil:


You've been listening to Baker's philosophy too long on how to pick winners.

That's true. ;)
I don't listen to him though, with him, you have to get everything in writing. ;) :all_cohol


You must have graduated from South! :p:
Nope. I was raised in the Fairborn school system in the winter and your area during the summer months.

Hey, I know that you’re the one that graduated from cow patti high, Northeastern, but don’t worry about it, your secret is safe with me, I won’t tell all of Redszone. First in your class in mole hunting. :thumbup:
:oops:

:lol:

Spring~Fields
09-01-2008, 10:59 PM
Are you referring to the USC game? I hope it doesn't bite them. It bit us against Texas in 2005, hopefully we can avoid that scenario this time. I really think it will throw USC off a little bit. The their defense is so talented, I'm very worried about whether or not our receiver's can get open. And with Beanie being hurt... :thumbdown

But In Tressel I Trust :)

I hope not too but I think it will, plus Pete Carroll and USC as we know are pretty good, suppose to be a lot of speed on that team.

I guess we will have to wait and see, but, I am already preparing myself.

OSUredsFAN
09-01-2008, 11:15 PM
WEEK #2 SCHEDULE

Ohio @ OSU
Marshall @ Wisconsin
E. Illinois @ Illinois
E. Michigan @ Michigan State
Miami(OH) @ Michigan
Florida Int. @ Iowa
N. Colorado @ Purdue
Oregon State @ Penn State
Murray State @ Indiana
Northwestern @ Duke
Minnesota @ Bowling Green

OnBaseMachine
09-01-2008, 11:45 PM
Anyone watching the UCLA/Tennessee game? Rick Neuheisel just lost the game for UCLA. It's truly unreal how dumb coaches can be. UCLA led 24-21 with 27 seconds left. They did a little squib kick and gave Tennessee the ball at the 45 instead of kicking deep and making them earn those yards. Then predictably they ran the prevent defense and like it always does, it prevented them from winning. Tennessee moved the ball at will and kicked a game tying field goal to sent it to OT. Man oh man. It's the same story every time. When will coaches finally learn that squib kicks and prevent defense kill you every time? I can't stand UCLA so I'm glad UT is probably gonna win.

Edit - UCLA wins 27-24 in OT but they deserved to lose after that choke.

George Foster
09-01-2008, 11:53 PM
Tennessee pulls another Tenn. Fulmer is on double secret probation again!

KronoRed
09-02-2008, 12:42 AM
What exactly were the D's doing in that game? both just let the recivers catch pass after pass 10 yards down the field.

Yeesh can both take the loss?

cumberlandreds
09-02-2008, 07:56 AM
Here are this weeks winners:

OSU
Wisconsin
Illinois
Michigan State
Michigan
Iowa
Purdue
Penn State
Indiana
Northwestern
Bowling Green

cumberlandreds
09-02-2008, 07:57 AM
Tennessee pulls another Tenn. Fulmer is on double secret probation again!

Fullmer got really two lucky wins last season against Vandy and UK or he would have been gone then. I don't think Vol Nation is going have him around this time next season.

BuckeyeRed27
09-02-2008, 11:16 AM
OSU
Wisconsin
Illinois
Michigan State
Michigan
Iowa
Purdue
Penn State
Indiana
Northwestern
Bowling Green


I don't think three of these are locks (Oregon State, Duke and Minnesota I think could all win).

OSUredsFAN
09-02-2008, 11:47 AM
I don't think three of these are locks (Oregon State, Duke and Minnesota I think could all win).

I agree, these games can go either way

IowaRed
09-02-2008, 12:18 PM
WEEK #2 SCHEDULE

Ohio @ OSU
Marshall @ Wisconsin
E. Illinois @ Illinois
E. Michigan @ Michigan State
Miami(OH) @ Michigan
Florida Int. @ Iowa
N. Colorado @ Purdue
Oregon State @ Penn State
Murray State @ Indiana
Northwestern @ Duke
Minnesota @ Bowling Green

Spring~Fields
09-02-2008, 07:56 PM
I don't think three of these are locks (Oregon State, Duke and Minnesota I think could all win).

I think that you are right, those are shakey. It is hard to tell about some of these teams early in the season with little but some press clippings to judge by.

*BaseClogger*
09-02-2008, 08:21 PM
It seems just about everybody is making the same picks for Week #2...

Hoosier Red
09-02-2008, 11:19 PM
It seems just about everybody is making the same picks for Week #2...

I have the lead, I'm protecting my lead. :)

Hoosier Red
09-02-2008, 11:21 PM
tOSU
Wisconsin
Illinois
Michigan State
Michigan
Iowa
Purwho
Penn State
INDIANA
Dook
Bowling Green

rotnoid
09-03-2008, 03:23 PM
Missed out last week, but if it's not too late, I'll take these

WEEK #2 SCHEDULE

OSU
Wisconsin
Illinois
Michigan State
Michigan
Iowa
Purdue
Penn State
Indiana
Northwestern
Bowling Green

Strikes Out Looking
09-03-2008, 04:22 PM
OSU
Wisconsin
Illinois
Michigan State
Michigan
Iowa
Purdue
Oregon State
Indiana
Duke
Bowling Green

Buckeye33
09-03-2008, 08:03 PM
Ohio @ OSU
Marshall @ Wisconsin
E. Illinois @ Illinois
E. Michigan @ Michigan State
Miami(OH) @ Michigan
Florida Int. @ Iowa
N. Colorado @ Purdue
Oregon State @ Penn State
Murray State @ Indiana
Northwestern @ Duke
Minnesota @ Bowling Green

GAC
09-03-2008, 08:48 PM
Hey, I know that you’re the one that graduated from cow patti high, Northeastern, but don’t worry about it, your secret is safe with me, I won’t tell all of Redszone. First in your class in mole hunting.

I graduated from Urbana. ;)

Spring~Fields
09-03-2008, 10:48 PM
I graduated from Urbana. ;)

Glad I wasn't in a desert waiting for a drink of water, I have been waiting for days to see what you would say back. :) :lol:

Both are good schools.

GAC
09-04-2008, 03:14 PM
I have the lead, I'm protecting my lead. :)

So are those 7 other guys tied for first at 9-1. :p:

MasonBuzz3
09-04-2008, 03:32 PM
Ohio @ OSU
Marshall @ Wisconsin
E. Illinois @ Illinois
E. Michigan @ Michigan State
Miami(OH) @ Michigan
Florida Int. @ Iowa
N. Colorado @ Purdue
Oregon State @ Penn State
Murray State @ Indiana
Northwestern @ Duke
Minnesota @ Bowling Green

GAC
09-05-2008, 07:13 AM
My pick of Oregon State over Penn State is looking better...

Paterno suspends players for Saturday's game vs. Oregon State

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=3569991

Danny Serafini
09-05-2008, 09:00 AM
I suppose I'll take the same teams as everyone else:

Ohio St. 41 Ohio 6
Wisconsin 44 Marshall 3
Illinois 47 E. Illinois 7
Michigan St. 35 E. Michigan 10
Michigan 31 Miami 10
Iowa 35 Florida International 3
Purdue 51 N. Colorado 0
Penn St. 28 Oregon St. 13
Indiana 38 Murray St. 6
Northwestern 24 Duke 14
Bowling Green 24 Minnesota 10

Hoosier Red
09-05-2008, 11:07 AM
So are those 7 other guys tied for first at 9-1. :p:

I'm old school. I like ties in college football.

Spring~Fields
09-05-2008, 11:39 PM
My pick of Oregon State over Penn State is looking better...

Paterno suspends players for Saturday's game vs. Oregon State

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=3569991

I read it to mean that Penn St will be really loose and relaxed for this game. :)

GAC
09-06-2008, 06:47 AM
I read it to mean that Penn St will be really loose and relaxed for this game. :)

"Put Me In Coach! I'm Ready To Play.... Centerfield!"

http://sistertoldjah.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/10/jspicoli2.jpg

OldRightHander
09-06-2008, 12:34 PM
Anyone know why I can't get the OSU game on XM today?

Spring~Fields
09-06-2008, 12:53 PM
"Put Me In Coach! I'm Ready To Play.... Centerfield!"

http://sistertoldjah.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/10/jspicoli2.jpg


:lol:

Centerfield, hm, you might have stumbled upon the answer to the 64 dollar question. :)

Reds Fanatic
09-06-2008, 12:59 PM
Anyone know why I can't get the OSU game on XM today?

OSU broadcasts are exclusively on Sirius not XM. The only time they are on XM is when a team XM carries is playing OSU.

Reds Fanatic
09-06-2008, 01:00 PM
So far this is a pitiful first half for OSU now down 7-3 to Ohio.

OnBaseMachine
09-06-2008, 01:12 PM
So far this is a pitiful first half for OSU now down 7-3 to Ohio.

They're probably just looking ahead to USC next week. They'll win this game by 21+ points.

HumnHilghtFreel
09-06-2008, 01:19 PM
The OSU offense is none too impressive today. I never expected the loss of Beanie Wells to have this much of a pronounced effect.

Reds Fanatic
09-06-2008, 01:22 PM
At halftime it is 7-6 Ohio. The offensive line has been pretty bad. They are getting nothing from the running game and not much passing either.

Reds Fanatic
09-06-2008, 01:55 PM
Now a bad snap leads to a fumble recovery in the end zone. 14-6 Ohio mid 3rd quarter.

OnBaseMachine
09-06-2008, 02:19 PM
OSU TD makes it 14-12 and now Ohio fumbles a punt return. OSU has this one wrapped up.

OnBaseMachine
09-06-2008, 02:29 PM
TD OSU puts them on top 19-14 with 14 minutes remaining. Told ya. Ohio never had a chance at winning this game. This type of stuff happens all the time where a heavily favored team looks ahead to the following week and allows the underdog to hang in there for a couple quarters.

paintmered
09-06-2008, 02:38 PM
My dad played football for OU and my mom graduated from OSU. They're watching today's game in separate rooms. :D

MWM
09-06-2008, 02:51 PM
OSU is way to dependent on Beanie. Ultimately, the lack of a good passing game will cost them in the long run.

OUReds
09-06-2008, 03:39 PM
In fairness to OU, they have an excellent and veteran secondary. I think the OSU passing game is fine.

Spring~Fields
09-06-2008, 04:26 PM
My pick of Oregon State over Penn State is looking better...

Paterno suspends players for Saturday's game vs. Oregon State

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=3569991

Rut Roh :p:



1 2 3 4 Total
Oregon St. 0 0 0 13:06
Penn St. 14 7 21 2nd
1st-10, Penn St. 30


Must have been some good stuff. :dunno:

OnBaseMachine
09-06-2008, 04:32 PM
Penn State is looking like they are going to be very tough this season. Of course they've only played Coastal Carolina and Oregon State but they're taking care of business.

Caveat Emperor
09-06-2008, 05:04 PM
Ugh -- I was really hoping Ohio could figure out a way to pull that game out.

Watching BCS v. non-BCS games is a lot like watching televised blackjack. You can root for the player, but you know in the back of your mind that the house is usually going to win.

MWM
09-06-2008, 06:24 PM
Wow, I know it's not the Big Ten, but I just saw the officials just absolutely take the game away from Washington. They scored a TD to move within one point with 2 seconds left and were called for an excessive celebration penalty moving the PAT back to a 35 yard field goal. It was blocked and UW lost by a single point. It was one of the worst calls I've ever seen. An absolute joke and a game where the officials were directly responsible for the game. Now, they were outplayed quite a bit, IMO, and I watched most of the second half and UW should have lost and were lucky to be in the game. And they still could have made the PAT.. a 35 yarder is just a chip shot. And it would have tied the game and not won. So ultimately, the better team won, IMO. But having make a call like that in that situation leaves me with a bad taste in my mouth and is bad for college football, especially for Ty Willingham. Just ridiculous. I'm sure we'll be hearing more about this on ESPN tonight.

guttle11
09-06-2008, 06:28 PM
I flipped over just in time to see that play. Absolutely horrible. Yes, by rule that's a call that can be made. But calling everything by the letter of a rule does not constitute good officiating.

OnBaseMachine
09-06-2008, 06:36 PM
Wow, I know it's not the Big Ten, but I just saw the officials just absolutely take the game away from Washington. They scored a TD to move within one point with 2 seconds left and were called for an excessive celebration penalty moving the PAT back to a 35 yard field goal. It was blocked and UW lost by a single point. It was one of the worst calls I've ever seen. An absolute joke and a game where the officials were directly responsible for the game. Now, they were outplayed quite a bit, IMO, and I watched most of the second half and UW should have lost and were lucky to be in the game. And they still could have made the PAT.. a 35 yarder is just a chip shot. And it would have tied the game and not won. So ultimately, the better team won, IMO. But having make a call like that in that situation leaves me with a bad taste in my mouth and is bad for college football, especially for Ty Willingham. Just ridiculous. I'm sure we'll be hearing more about this on ESPN tonight.

I was just about to comment on that. What a pathetic call. College refs are getting worse and worse each year. I agree with throwing flags on excessive celebration but that was no where near excessive. There's nothing wrong with a little team celebration after a huge play like that.

MWM
09-06-2008, 06:36 PM
I flipped over just in time to see that play. Absolutely horrible. Yes, by rule that's a call that can be made. But calling everything by the letter of a rule does not constitute good officiating.

Yep. I'm trying to think of an instance where a celebration penalty was that prominent in a game and I can't think of one. The sad thing is, it wasn't excessive at all. It was a fairly tame celebration as the TD (with the assumed PAT) would have just tied the game as opposed to won it. But the refs decided to step in. Too bad they had the kick blocked because their final drive was full of do or die moments where they looked to be done but pulled one out.

As an aside, it looks like Notre Dame is just as bad this year as last. Too bad, I'm not a fan, but I hate to see ND this bad.

OnBaseMachine
09-06-2008, 06:39 PM
As an aside, it looks like Notre Dame is just as bad this year as last. Too bad, I'm not a fan, but I hate to see ND this bad.

I can't wait to hear Lou Holtz on ESPN after this game.

MWM
09-06-2008, 06:40 PM
I was just about to comment on that. What a pathetic call. College refs are getting worse and worse each year. I agree with throwing flags on excessive celebration but that was no where near excessive. There's nothing wrong with a little team celebration after a huge play like that.

I still can't think of how it was excessive. Locker threw the ball backwards up in the air quite a bit, but I don't think that's one of the automatic penalties (i.e. taking off the helmet). If it wasn't an automatic flag by something they did, all they did was pretty much hug in the endszone. It's not like the game was over. On a scale of 1 to 10 of excessiveness of celebrations, it was a 4.

OnBaseMachine
09-06-2008, 06:43 PM
San Diego State lost to Cal Poly last week...and this week are beating Notre Dame 13-7 in the 4th quarter. Notre Dame just caught a huge break though. SDSU had the ball first and goal at the ND 3-yard line and fumbled in the endzone. A touchdown there may have put the game away.

MWM
09-06-2008, 06:49 PM
As soon as I say something, ND goes down for a quick score. Claussen showedsins on that drive of was he was so highly touted coming out of HS. He's definitely got some skills.

cincrazy
09-06-2008, 07:40 PM
Fixed it :). Originally I didn't bold my OSU-Ohio pick.... I mean the game IS a toss-up and everything :)

Thanks for pointing that out Baseclogger, appreciate it

Holy crap... the game WAS a toss up. I should refrain from making such jokes in the future...

Spring~Fields
09-06-2008, 09:05 PM
Penn State is looking like they are going to be very tough this season. Of course they've only played Coastal Carolina and Oregon State but they're taking care of business.

I thought that Penn looked pretty good also for what I saw of them today. They were a fun team to watch also.

MWM
09-06-2008, 09:38 PM
The Big Ten really needs PSU tobe legitimately good this year. I think Wisconsin is a good team and OSU is strong. Michigan isn't going to be good, so they need someone else to step up if they want to have 3 legit teams.

MWM
09-06-2008, 09:45 PM
Here's what the ref of the Washington game said:

"After scoring the touchdown, the player threw the ball into the air and we are required, by rule, to assess a 15-yard unsportsmanlike conduct penalty. It is a celebration rule that we are required to call. it was not a judgment call."

It's still a ridiculous rule that I doubt most players even know about. And I hate to see it enforced in that situation.

Spring~Fields
09-06-2008, 10:39 PM
Minnesota rolling to mess up our string ........

Minnesota 42
Bowling Grn 17
3:06 4th GameChannel

Spring~Fields
09-06-2008, 10:41 PM
The Big Ten really needs PSU tobe legitimately good this year.

So true.

Spring~Fields
09-06-2008, 10:51 PM
Finals
N Colorado 10
Purdue 42

Ohio 14
Ohio St 26

E Michigan 10
Michigan St 42

Miami (OH) 6
Michigan 16

Marshall 14
Wisconsin 51

E Illinois 21
Illinois 47

Fla Intl 0
Iowa 42

Oregon St 14
Penn St 45

Murray St 3
Indiana 45

Northwestern 24
Duke 20

Minnesota 42
Bowling Grn 17

Spring~Fields
09-06-2008, 10:53 PM
OSU
Wisconsin
Illinois
Michigan State
Michigan
Iowa
Purdue
Penn State
Indiana
Northwestern
Bowling Green - I wonder if they are for real, teams usually have a let down after a big win, but Minnesota had to do all it could to win last week.

Wish I had that one back now, :bang:

Danny Serafini
09-07-2008, 12:04 AM
Wish I had that one back now, :bang:

You're not the only one. But as a Toledo grad I'm required to root against BG, so I'd rather miss a game here and watch them get blown out. Plus Minnesota has been so awful that BG looked like a solid pick.

KronoRed
09-07-2008, 01:16 AM
The call in the Wash/Byu game was bad but it wasn't the reason they didn't tie it up, the XP was blocked, he didn't miss it to the left or right because of the extra distance it was blocked, most likely happens from 19 yards as well, BYU won it right there.

OnBaseMachine
09-07-2008, 01:20 AM
WEEK #2 SCHEDULE

OSU
Wisconsin
Illinois
Michigan State
Michigan
Iowa
Purdue
Penn State
Indiana
Northwestern
Bowling Green

I got 'em all but the Minnesota/Bowling Green game.

Spring~Fields
09-07-2008, 03:01 AM
I got 'em all but the Minnesota/Bowling Green game.

Can we claim that we picked 9 in a row, and somehow overlook Bowling Green :evil: So close, I have never picked 10 in row in my life, I wanted that one. :)

Oh wait, that was ten in a row, GAC caused us to pick eleven in the "Big Ten", that's it, I'll blame GAC or Dusty :lol:

GAC
09-07-2008, 07:51 AM
TD OSU puts them on top 19-14 with 14 minutes remaining. Told ya. Ohio never had a chance at winning this game.

What you told us was this ;)


They'll win this game by 21+ points.

Final score: 26-14

OU had every chance of winning this game. OSU escaped by the hair of their chinny, chin, chin on this one.

I'm a Big Ten fan who just has not been impressed with the conference these last few years. It's almost like they are behind the times.

Yeah, yeah, I know - my Bucks have been to the NC game 3 times this decade. And I give them credit for that. But they have also been soundly embarassed twice and given justification to some who said they probably shouldn't have been there.

The OSU team's recent play, IMHO, justifies a playoff system in college football.

If they were, by chance, to make it again this year, and get embarassed again, that'll be a monkey that will be very hard to get off their backs IMO. ;)

GAC
09-07-2008, 07:52 AM
OSU is way to dependent on Beanie. Ultimately, the lack of a good passing game will cost them in the long run.

Tressell ball is making a comeback! :p:

I've been up in Sandusky all weekend for the Honda Family Fest at Cedar Point. Had a blast; but there were scores of us men running around, like someone stepped on an ant hill, trying to get updates on the OSU-Ohio game. When I heard it was 14-6 Ohio at one stage I was calling my son back home telling him to turn the damn Wii off, go to Directv and feed me updates via the cellphone! :lol:

I got screwed by a Pac-10 team today (Oregon State).... and might get screwed again next week. ;)

I really thought Bowling Green would beat the Gophers.

I'll post updated standings when I get home gentlemen.

P.S. - if you've never been to Cedar Point, and ever plan on going..... RIDE THE DRAGSTER!

120 mph in 3.6 seconds! Straight up 420 ft... then a headfirst plunge back down.

http://www.gregscoasterphotos.com/images/cp/draglauncht.jpg

http://videodetective.com/photos/009/000413_13.jpg

GAC
09-07-2008, 08:57 AM
WEEK 2 WINNERS

Ohio State
Michigan State
Michigan
Wisconsin
Illinois
Iowa
Purdue
Penn State
Indiana
Northwestern
Minnesota


WEEK 2 STANDINGS



rotnoid 10-1
BaseClogger 19-2
mole44 19-2
OUReds 19-2
Danny Serafini 19-2
cincrazy 19-2
IowaRed 19-2
TheOnlyRedsFan 7-2
GAC 18-3
Hoosier Red 18-3
RedsManRick 18-3
Buckeye33 18-3
MasonBuzz3 18-3
BuckeyeRed27 18-3
OnBaseMachine 18-3
cumberlandreds 17-3
Strikes Out Looking 8-3
OSUredsFAN 17-4
Spring~Fields 13-8

MWM
09-07-2008, 11:17 AM
The call in the Wash/Byu game was bad but it wasn't the reason they didn't tie it up, the XP was blocked, he didn't miss it to the left or right because of the extra distance it was blocked, most likely happens from 19 yards as well, BYU won it right there.


True. And it wasn't barely blocked. It looked like three players got through and were right on top of the ball. But a normal extra point is generally a little quicker is launched at a higher angle. So you never know. So while I agree that all they needed to do was make a 35 yarder versus a 20 yarder, so they still share plenty of blame, the chances of them either missing or getting a normal extra point was a lot lower than a 35 yarder. But the call at that point in the game is still irritating.

Spring~Fields
09-07-2008, 11:50 AM
Tressell ball is making a comeback! :p:



Why do I get the feeling or hunch that the rest of college football might have caught on and caught up with "Tressell ball" ?

Next week against USC do we Buckeye fans get to use the "talent" excuse for Ohio State like some do for another in sports? ;)

improbus
09-07-2008, 08:50 PM
Is anyone getting the feeling that Tressel might be a little overrated? Think about the following:
-The Big Ten has been extremely weak. (John Cooper had to deal with a much tougher league top to bottom)
-His play-calling and personal decisions seem to be getting worse (Mo' Wells, Terrell Pryor??)
-His lack of in-game adjustments are questionable

MWM
09-07-2008, 09:06 PM
I've been saying that for a few years no, improbus. But mostfans thinks I'm crazy. I think the last two title games have exposed his limitations. Both games are primarily on him, IMO.

*BaseClogger*
09-08-2008, 01:20 AM
I've been saying that for a few years no, improbus. But mostfans thinks I'm crazy. I think the last two title games have exposed his limitations. Both games are primarily on him, IMO.

Then how do you explain the Bucks beating Miami in the NC in 2002, KSU in the Fiesta in 2003, ND in the Fiesta in 2005, or at Texas in 2006?

*BaseClogger*
09-08-2008, 01:21 AM
-His play-calling and personal decisions seem to be getting worse (Mo' Wells, Terrell Pryor??)


What is the bolded above referring to?

Spring~Fields
09-08-2008, 03:28 PM
Then how do you explain the Bucks beating Miami in the NC in 2002, KSU in the Fiesta in 2003, ND in the Fiesta in 2005, or at Texas in 2006?

A damaged leg to the Miami running back ? Great linebackers ? A great field goal kicker ?

*BaseClogger*
09-08-2008, 04:21 PM
A damaged leg to the Miami running back ? Great linebackers ? A great field goal kicker ?

First, when McGahee got hurt he had carried the ball 20 times for 67 yards. Second, shouldn't Tressel get credit for recruiting those players, training those players, and putting them in the proper situation to succeed?

Spring~Fields
09-08-2008, 07:28 PM
First, when McGahee got hurt he had carried the ball 20 times for 67 yards. Second, shouldn't Tressel get credit for recruiting those players, training those players, and putting them in the proper situation to succeed?

I was just trying to answer your questions but, I ended up with more questions.

Did he recruit all those defensive players that played in that NC game? I can't recall, so long ago.

Who are you picking against USC next week?

MWM
09-08-2008, 08:00 PM
First, when McGahee got hurt he had carried the ball 20 times for 67 yards. Second, shouldn't Tressel get credit for recruiting those players, training those players, and putting them in the proper situation to succeed?

The only Tressel players were the freshmen class. So he recruited Clarrett, but the rest of the team was still Coopers.

Tressel had a great game plan that day and OSU went out and just hit Miami harder than they had been hit before. It was a great coaching job. It helped that his defense was absolutely loaded with NFL talent. But he did a great job that game.

since, he's coachedpretty much the same way and he's able to be schemed against by teams who can match him in talent, which no other Big Ten team can do. I think he's a really good coach, but has severe limitations. He hasn't shown any ability to be able to adjust his coaching style when a game dictates. Again, I think the last two title games have shown his limitations. And I think this Saturday is going to show them again. I think they're going to get beat soundly.

*BaseClogger*
09-08-2008, 11:41 PM
The only Tressel players were the freshmen class. So he recruited Clarrett, but the rest of the team was still Coopers.

Tressel had a great game plan that day and OSU went out and just hit Miami harder than they had been hit before. It was a great coaching job. It helped that his defense was absolutely loaded with NFL talent. But he did a great job that game.

I assumed he was responding as a whole to the four games I posted, most of which were dominated by players Tressel recruited.


since, he's coachedpretty much the same way and he's able to be schemed against by teams who can match him in talent, which no other Big Ten team can do. I think he's a really good coach, but has severe limitations. He hasn't shown any ability to be able to adjust his coaching style when a game dictates. Again, I think the last two title games have shown his limitations. And I think this Saturday is going to show them again. I think they're going to get beat soundly.

I can pretty much agree with most of this...

Spring~Fields
09-09-2008, 07:30 PM
since, he's coachedpretty much the same way and he's able to be schemed against by teams who can match him in talent, which no other Big Ten team can do. I think he's a really good coach, but has severe limitations. He hasn't shown any ability to be able to adjust his coaching style when a game dictates. Again, I think the last two title games have shown his limitations. And I think this Saturday is going to show them again. I think they're going to get beat soundly.

A few years ago you said it better than you have today and I was able to see what you meant in games that followed, I still agree with you today though also.

He's pretty good at beating the weaker teams going in, most coaches are.

Spring~Fields
09-09-2008, 09:08 PM
Top-ranked Trojans gearing up for Buckeyes
By JOHN NADEL, AP Sports Writer

LOS ANGELES (AP)—The buildup to Saturday night’s Ohio State-USC game began several months ago, with college football fans drooling at the thought of a matchup of this magnitude in mid-September.

The reaction at Southern California?

“It’s just a different team, same preparation,” tailback Allen Bradford said Tuesday.

Really?

“It really is, honestly, just another game,” defensive tackle Fili Moala said.

But Bradford did say he heard USC was going to play Ohio State about a year ago, and it caught his attention.

“It’s almost like a national championship game,” he said. “It’s Ohio State, so you know it’s going to be a good game

That’s a reasonable observation, since USC played in for the national championship to conclude the 2004 and 2005 seasons, and Ohio State did the same to finish the past two campaigns.

And the records speak for themselves: coach Pete Carroll has guided the Trojans to a 71-8 record since the beginning of the 2002 season and the Buckeyes are 69-11 under Jim Tressel during that same time span.

“You approach this game like it’s any other game, but you’re more excited,” admitted tailback Joe McKnight.

“This is a long awaited matchup for everybody, particularly the fans,” Carroll said at his weekly meeting with reporters. “You guys have been on this topic for a long time. Finally, we can talk about it. We’re going to treat it like a championship game, just as we did with the Virginia game. We’re going to put everything into it.”

That’s been the USC approach under Carroll ever since a 27-16 loss at Notre Dame midway through the 2001 season—his first as the Trojans’ coach. He realized afterward he had put too much emphasis on that game during the week before, so he adjusted accordingly. His teams are 75-9 since that time.

“We’re trying to make every game we play the biggest in the world,” Carroll said. “We can’t approach this any differently than any other game. The whole point of this is for us to play really well. If we do that, we’ll have a chance to win.

“I know there’s a big game Saturday. There’s a big game today (at practice).”

USC and Ohio State will play before a sellout crowd of 93,607 fans at the Los Angeles Coliseum, where the Trojans have won 38 of their last 39 games, the exception being Stanford’s shocking 24-23 upset last fall.

USC has also won its last seven games against Big Ten opponents, by an average of 28 points.

The Trojans (1-0) haven’t played since an impressive season-opening 52-7 victory Aug. 30 at Virginia. Ohio State (2-0) has beaten in-state rivals Youngstown State 43-0 and Ohio University 26-14. The Buckeyes had to rally from a 14-12 deficit entering the fourth quarter to beat the lightly regarded Bobcats last weekend.

“I don’t think that has anything to do with anything,” Carroll said.

Maybe so, but as Tressel put it on a conference call: “It was not a stellar performance. We survived, I guess.”

USC rose from No. 3 to No. 1 in The Associated Press poll after beating Virginia and stayed there this week, while Ohio State has fallen from No. 2 to No. 5.

Carroll also said he didn’t believe the fact that the Buckeyes were routed in the last two national championship games—41-14 to Florida and 38-24 to LSU — would have any relevance in this game.

“They played great teams,” he said. “I don’t think that took away from them being a championship program. Those matchups just went the other way.”

One theory is Big Ten teams like the Buckeyes were at a major disadvantage against teams like Florida, LSU and USC because they don’t have the kind of speed those teams possess.

“Not at Ohio State,” Carroll said. “Those guys can fly. They’re athletic, they’re as fast as any team we’ve played.”

USC defensive lineman Kyle Moore isn’t so sure.

“I don’t want to say they’re slow. I just think it’s the speed of the game between the Big Ten and the Pac-10,” he said.

Like many of his teammates, Moore said the Trojans were treating Ohio State like any other opponent.

But, he added with a smile: “We talked about it (over the summer), it came up a couple times. It’s been in our conversations.”

http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/news?slug=ap-t25-usc-carroll&prov=ap&type=lgns

Spring~Fields
09-09-2008, 09:10 PM
Beanie’s back and practicing with Buckeyes
By RUSTY MILLER, AP Sports Writer

COLUMBUS, Ohio (AP)—Ohio State will have its Beanie back for Southern California.

Buckeyes tailback Chris “Beanie” Wells has been given the OK to play in the showdown at No. 1 USC on Saturday night.

Wells, who rushed for 1,609 yards and 15 touchdowns a year ago, went down with a foot injury in the second half of the fifth-ranked Buckeyes’ opener against Youngstown State and did not suit up when Ohio State struggled to beat Ohio University 26-14 last week.

But coach Jim Tressel said Tuesday that Wells would definitely play against USC.

“You know, Beanie ran well yesterday,” Tressel said. “In fact, he ran better than I thought he might.”

The next test for the 6-foot-1, 237-pound Wells is how he feels after going through his first workouts in 10 days.

“The big thing is Tuesday and Wednesday work and will that create soreness,” Tressel said. “Not only was he running well, then they (trainers) put him on the bike and wore him out, so they’re trying to do all the things. He’s been in the underwater treadmill and anything we can do, we’re doing (with rehab). I feel good about him.”

Wells would seem to be a weapon the Buckeyes (2-0) cannot do without against the fearsome Trojans (1-0) in the first meeting between the two old rivals in 18 years.

Defensive lineman Lawrence Wilson, one of Wells’ best friends, said he believes Wells will give the Buckeyes a big lift.

“Beanie told me he was going to play and when Beanie says he’s going to do something, he does it,” Wilson said. “He’s a tremendous competitor. I know when he says he’s going to play, to play.”

The only catch in Wells’ rapid return to action is that he won’t really be participating in full-contract workouts until at least Wednesday. Ohio State’s trainers will work with him away from the team on Tuesday and then will watch closely when he practices with his teammates a day later.

“If he steps on the field, he’s going to give it his best. And his best is pretty good, you know,” offensive tackle Bryant Browning said. “Yesterday I saw him running and he said he felt pretty good. He said he wasn’t in much pain at all. He said he would be ready.”

Tressel said Wells told him, “I’m ready to carry 45 times on Saturday.”

That doesn’t mean he’ll get the chance, however.

“He’s not going to carry 45 if he’s not effective,” Tressel said. “He’s like every other kid, he wants to play and he’s going to do all he can do and his effectiveness will be, in large part, based upon what the other guys do. If they block people, he can be effective. If they don’t, it will be harder.”

Last year Wells averaged 124 rushing yards on 21 carries per game. Dan Herron (12 carries, 50 yards), Maurice Wells (9 for 48) and Brandon Saine (5 for 15) combined for 113 yards on 26 carries against Ohio, which led 14-6 midway through the third quarter and 14-12 heading into the fourth.

“They ran hard. They combined for a pretty decent total,” wide receiver Brian Hartline said. Hartline said their numbers might have been even more impressive except for some listless and out-of-sync play by the rest of the offense.

Wells isn’t the only addition to the lineup, either. Starting cornerback Donald Washington and backup Jamario O’Neal both return as well after serving two-game suspensions for an undisclosed violation of team rules.

They figure to give the Buckeyes a shot of depth and talent in a secondary that has been stretched thin during their absence.

Asked if Washington would take his accustomed place at field corner, making Chimdi Chekwa, who started the past two games, a backup and nickel back, Tressel grinned.

“Tune in,” he said.

http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/news?slug=ap-t25-ohiost-wells&prov=ap&type=lgns

GAC
09-09-2008, 09:15 PM
Week #3 Schedule

Louisiana-Lafayette at Illinois
Southern Illinois at Northwestern
Florida Atlantic at Michigan State
Montana State at Minnesota
Iowa State at Iowa
Oregon at Purdue
Penn State at Syracuse
Michigan at Notre Dame
Ohio State at USC
Wisconsin at Fresno State

GAC
09-09-2008, 09:18 PM
And I think this Saturday is going to show them again. I think they're going to get beat soundly.

So do I. Unless last week's game really woke them up, or Tressell wasn't trying to show his hand to USC.

*BaseClogger*
09-09-2008, 09:20 PM
Week #3 Schedule

Louisiana-Lafayette at Illinois
Southern Illinois at Northwestern
Florida Atlantic at Michigan State
Montana State at Minnesota
Iowa State at Iowa
Oregon at Purdue
Penn State at Syracuse
Michigan at Notre Dame
Ohio State at USC
Wisconsin at Fresno State

I think that last game might have been the most difficult decision...

OnBaseMachine
09-09-2008, 09:25 PM
Illinois
Northwestern
Michigan State
Minnesota
Iowa
Oregon
Penn State
Michigan
Ohio State
Wisconsin

Spring~Fields
09-09-2008, 10:12 PM
Week 3 another weak schedule for the Big Ten teams, with a lone exception.
Illinois
Northwestern
Michigan State
Minnesota
Iowa
Oregon
Penn State
Notre Dame I don't like this game. - This pick is for Puffy
USC by 17+ Let's see what happens when a Big Ten team plays somebody.
Wisconsin

OSUredsFAN
09-09-2008, 11:07 PM
Week #3 Schedule

Louisiana-Lafayette at Illinois
Southern Illinois at Northwestern
Florida Atlantic at Michigan State
Montana State at Minnesota
Iowa State at Iowa
Oregon at Purdue
Penn State at Syracuse
Michigan at Notre Dame
Ohio State at USC
Wisconsin at Fresno State


Go Bucks!!!!

*BaseClogger*
09-09-2008, 11:11 PM
Go Bucks!!!!

word... :cool:

cincrazy
09-09-2008, 11:39 PM
Louisiana-Lafayette at IllinoisSouthern Illinois at Northwestern
Florida Atlantic at Michigan StateMontana State at Minnesota
Iowa State at Iowa
Oregon at Purdue
Penn State at Syracuse
Michigan at Notre Dame
Ohio State at USC (going with my heart...)
Wisconsin at Fresno State

cincrazy
09-09-2008, 11:41 PM
Week 3 another weak schedule for the Big Ten teams, with a lone exception.
Illinois
Northwestern
Michigan State
Minnesota
Iowa
Oregon
Penn State
Notre Dame I don't like this game. - This pick is for Puffy
USC by 17+ Let's see what happens when a Big Ten team plays somebody.
Wisconsin

Oh come on now. Sure, we've been waxed in the last 2 title games. But outside of those games, Tressel has fared more than ok in big games. Miami? Check. Notre Dame? Check. Michigan annually? Check. A loaded K-State team a few years back? Check. Ohio State is hardly a pushover. I was disappointed in the Ohio game, and my brain tells me USC beats us because of Boeckman. But it's not like they can't compete with any team outside of the Big 10.

Michael Young
09-09-2008, 11:53 PM
usc 38 - osu 14

OnBaseMachine
09-09-2008, 11:57 PM
usc 38 - osu 14

Not a chance. I'm a USC fan but I have a bad feeling about this game. OSU will win.

Michael Young
09-10-2008, 12:10 AM
Not a chance. I'm a USC fan but I have a bad feeling about this game. OSU will win.

youre wrong, my friend. usc will roll big time in this one. jmho.

cant believe youre picking against your team in this game

OnBaseMachine
09-10-2008, 12:23 AM
youre wrong, my friend. usc will roll big time in this one. jmho.

cant believe youre picking against your team in this game

I just have a bad feeling. Plus I hate picking my team to win, I don't want to jinx anything.:)

Michael Young
09-10-2008, 12:24 AM
gotcha:)

Spring~Fields
09-10-2008, 12:47 AM
I just have a bad feeling. Plus I hate picking my team to win, I don't want to jinx anything.:)

:devil: Why do you think I am picking USC by 17+, I will take one for the home team. ;) Only chance that OSU has. :)

Spring~Fields
09-10-2008, 12:53 AM
Oh come on now. Sure, we've been waxed in the last 2 title games. But outside of those games, Tressel has fared more than ok in big games. Miami? Check. Notre Dame? Check. Michigan annually? Check. A loaded K-State team a few years back? Check. Ohio State is hardly a pushover. I was disappointed in the Ohio game, and my brain tells me USC beats us because of Boeckman. But it's not like they can't compete with any team outside of the Big 10.

I swore off teasing on Michigan and Notre Dame, see what happened in the following NC games. "Sure, we've been waxed in the last 2 title games."

Turned our Buckeyes into Gator bait and swamp things. :)

USC is too tough this year.

OUReds
09-10-2008, 05:42 AM
Louisiana-Lafayette at Illinois
Southern Illinois at Northwestern
Florida Atlantic at Michigan State
Montana State at Minnesota
Iowa State at Iowa
Oregon at Purdue
Penn State at Syracuse
Michigan at Notre Dame
Ohio State at USC
Wisconsin at Fresno State

cincrazy
09-10-2008, 06:02 AM
I swore off teasing on Michigan and Notre Dame, see what happened in the following NC games. "Sure, we've been waxed in the last 2 title games."

Turned our Buckeyes into Gator bait and swamp things. :)

USC is too tough this year.

USC is unproven. Virgina is absolutely terrible. I'm not sold on Mark Sanchez, and lets remember, this is the same USC team, for the most part, that lost to STANFORD at home. Say what you will about OSU and Jim Tressel, but they never lost to Indiana or Northwestern at home.

cumberlandreds
09-10-2008, 07:09 AM
Here are week three's winners. That Frenso/Wisconsin game should be a good one. That's the toughest pick for me so far this season from the Big 10 games.

Illinois
Northwestern
Michigan State
Minnesota
Iowa
Oregon
Penn State
Michigan
USC
Fresno State

Hoosier Red
09-10-2008, 08:37 AM
Illinois
Northwestern
Michigan State
Minnesota
Iowa
Oregon
Penn State
Notre Dame
tOSU
Wisconsin

MasonBuzz3
09-10-2008, 10:40 AM
Louisiana-Lafayette at Illinois
Southern Illinois at Northwestern
Florida Atlantic at Michigan State
Montana State at Minnesota
Iowa State at Iowa
Oregon at Purdue
Penn State at Syracuse
Michigan at Notre Dame
Ohio State at USC
Wisconsin at Fresno State

Danny Serafini
09-10-2008, 11:31 AM
Illinois 31 Louisiana-Lafayette 13
Northwestern 24 Southern Illinois 7
Michigan State 41 Florida Atlantic 7
Minnesota 31 Montana State 16
Iowa 24 Iowa State 14
Oregon 21 Purdue 13
Penn State 44 Syracuse 14
Notre Dame 24 Michigan 17
Ohio State 27 USC 24
Wisconsin 28 Fresno State 27

cincrazy
09-10-2008, 11:31 AM
Louisiana-Lafayette at Illinois
Southern Illinois at Northwestern
Florida Atlantic at Michigan State
Montana State at Minnesota
Iowa State at Iowa
Oregon at Purdue
Penn State at Syracuse
Michigan at Notre Dame
Ohio State at USC (going with my heart...)
Wisconsin at Fresno State

For the 2nd straight week, I manage to botch my picks, and not choose all of the games. For all you know, I'm Bob Bratkowski

Spring~Fields
09-10-2008, 02:20 PM
USC is unproven. Virgina is absolutely terrible. I'm not sold on Mark Sanchez, and lets remember, this is the same USC team, for the most part, that lost to STANFORD at home. Say what you will about OSU and Jim Tressel, but they never lost to Indiana or Northwestern at home.

Some guys just can't take a hint. :)


USC and Ohio State will play before a sellout crowd of 93,607 fans at the Los Angeles Coliseum, where the Trojans have won 38 of their last 39 games, the exception being Stanford’s shocking 24-23 upset last fall.

USC has also won its last seven games against Big Ten opponents, by an average of 28 points.

IowaRed
09-10-2008, 04:13 PM
Louisiana-Lafayette at Illinois
Southern Illinois at Northwestern
Florida Atlantic at Michigan State
Montana State at Minnesota
Iowa State at Iowa
Oregon at Purdue
Penn State at Syracuse
Michigan at Notre Dame
Ohio State at USC
Wisconsin at Fresno State

GAC
09-10-2008, 07:57 PM
Louisiana-Lafayette at Illinois
Southern Illinois at Northwestern
Florida Atlantic at Michigan State
Montana State at Minnesota
Iowa State at Iowa
Oregon at Purdue
Penn State at Syracuse
Michigan at Notre Dame
Ohio State at USC
Wisconsin at Fresno State

That Wisconsin-Fresno State game will be a close one IMO. Wisconsin will be trying to run (pound) the ball, but Fresno State's physical front seven, anchored by DT Joe Monga, will stop them IMO and put the pressure on Badger QB Evridge to beat them. Will be interesting.

BuckeyeRed27
09-10-2008, 08:53 PM
Louisiana-Lafayette at Illinois
Southern Illinois at Northwestern
Florida Atlantic at Michigan State
Montana State at Minnesota
Iowa State at Iowa
Oregon at Purdue
Penn State at Syracuse
Michigan at Notre Dame
Ohio State at USC
Wisconsin at Fresno State


I think Wisco wins by 10-14 points in that one. Michigan/Notre Dame is an epic pillow fight but I still see Michigan coming out on top there. Ohio State obviously has to show up but if you don't show up for USC then I'm not sure what you're doing. Plus I'll be at the game and the Bucks have never lost when I've gone on the road to see them.

MWM
09-10-2008, 08:56 PM
I h ope your streak continues, BR. I have just have the same feeling about this game that I had going into last year's title game. I'm afraid Tressel is in over his head in games like this. I would feel much better if Boeckman wasn't the QB. If the Bucks had a plus QB, I'd feel good about their chances. As it is, I don't think the offense will be able to do anything, so the defense will be on the field the whole game. I have a sinking feeling it's going to be ugly.

Strikes Out Looking
09-10-2008, 09:01 PM
Louisiana-Lafayette at Illinois
Southern Illinois at Northwestern
Florida Atlantic at Michigan State
Montana State at Minnesota
Iowa State at Iowa
Oregon at Purdue
Penn State at Syracuse
Michigan at Notre Dame
Ohio State at USC
Wisconsin at Fresno State

BuckeyeRed27
09-10-2008, 09:09 PM
I h ope your streak continues, BR. I have just have the same feeling about this game that I had going into last year's title game. I'm afraid Tressel is in over his head in games like this. I would feel much better if Boeckman wasn't the QB. If the Bucks had a plus QB, I'd feel good about their chances.

Todd is a huge factor in this game. If good Todd shows up I really think we can win going away. If bad Todd shows up we could get blown out the building. He was really good at times last year but its hard because he hasn't been for the past few games.

That being said I think the bigger factors are being creative on offense and who makes more plays on defense. I think we can get pressure on Sanchez and force him to be a QB making his 5th career start. I don't care what school you play for being a new QB against a top 10 defense is usually not a key for victory.

Buckeye33
09-10-2008, 09:45 PM
Week #3 Schedule

Louisiana-Lafayette at Illinois
Southern Illinois at Northwestern
Florida Atlantic at Michigan State
Montana State at Minnesota
Iowa State at Iowa
Oregon at Purdue
Penn State at Syracuse
Michigan at Notre Dame
Ohio State at USC
Wisconsin at Fresno State

cincrazy
09-11-2008, 12:53 PM
Tressel is now saying that Beanis is doubtful for the USC game due to lingering soreness. Uh Oh....

OnBaseMachine
09-11-2008, 12:58 PM
I would be SHOCKED if Wells doesn't play Saturday.

MWM
09-11-2008, 01:18 PM
If Wells doesn't play, it could win up being 42-7, or something along those lines. The offense won't be able to stay on the field for more than 3 minutes at a time.

RedsManRick
09-11-2008, 01:31 PM
Louisiana-Lafayette at Illinois
Southern Illinois at Northwestern
Florida Atlantic at Michigan State
Montana State at Minnesota
Iowa State at Iowa
Oregon at Purdue
Penn State at Syracuse
Michigan at Notre Dame
Ohio State at USC
Wisconsin at Fresno State

Roy Tucker
09-11-2008, 01:33 PM
The problem is, they need Wells' running to keep the USC defense honest. And I mean have Beanie heavy-duty pound like last years Michigan game. I just don't think he'll be physically up to it. I hope so, but I'm not optimistic.

And then the game falls back on Boeckman who is too immobile in the face of that USC defense. Like Craig Morton against the Dallas Doomsday Defense or Tony Eason against the '85 Bears. A sitting duck.

Michael Young
09-11-2008, 01:37 PM
don't they get a couple five star rbs every year? where's the depth?

Puffy
09-11-2008, 01:41 PM
Too many people picking Notre Dame here - you will jinx any small shot we have :(

At least GAC picked against Notre Dame though, thats a big time positive!

MWM
09-11-2008, 01:44 PM
Not really. Maurice Wells is only good in the open field. He's not capable of running between the tackles. And Dan Herron is a red-shirt freshman who's also not very big. They don't get a lot of blue chip RBs at OSU. Without Wells, they really have very little chance. Wells is that good.

Michael Young
09-11-2008, 01:51 PM
wow. well i'm hoping for a good game. hopefully he will play

Roy Tucker
09-11-2008, 02:06 PM
Not really. Maurice Wells is only good in the open field. He's not capable of running between the tackles. And Dan Herron is a red-shirt freshman who's also not very big. They don't get a lot of blue chip RBs at OSU. Without Wells, they really have very little chance. Wells is that good.

Yeah, that's all true.

I was at the OSU-OU game in the south stands and had a good view of the cuts and cutbacks the OSU backs were making. They were pretty consistently the wrong way.

Saine and Herron will eventually be competent college RBs, but they need more experience.

*BaseClogger*
09-11-2008, 03:23 PM
don't they get a couple five star rbs every year? where's the depth?

Nobody gets a "couple of five star rbs" every year. Maybe one a year, or one every couple of years, but for example there are only 6 five star running backs listed at Scout.com for next year's recruiting class.


Not really. Maurice Wells is only good in the open field. He's not capable of running between the tackles. And Dan Herron is a red-shirt freshman who's also not very big. They don't get a lot of blue chip RBs at OSU. Without Wells, they really have very little chance. Wells is that good.

I completely disagree with the bolded statement. Who are you comparing them to, the Dallas Cowboys?

MWM
09-11-2008, 03:33 PM
I completely disagree with the bolded statement. Who are you comparing them to, the Dallas Cowboys?

The only time one of the elite RBs ever commit to OSU is when they're from Ohio, ala Clarrett and Wells. It's someting I've never understood. Michigan consistently gets top tier RB commits from everywhere as do USC, Oklahoma, Texas, Florida, and some others. Ohio State always does well on receivers, lineman on both sides of the ball, linebackers and DB. Until Pryor, they were never in the conversation for top tier QBs (something I never understood), and rarely are the top RBs strongly considering OSU.

BuckeyeRed27
09-11-2008, 03:36 PM
The only time one of the elite RBs ever commit to OSU is when they're from Ohio, ala Clarrett and Wells. It's someting I've never understood. Michigan consistently gets top tier RB commits from everywhere as do USC, Oklahoma, Texas, Florida, and some others. Ohio State always does well on receivers, lineman on both sides of the ball, linebackers and DB. Until Pryor, they were never in the conversation for top tier QBs (something I never understood), and rarely are the top RBs strongly considering OSU.

Jamal Berry says hello.

MWM
09-11-2008, 03:51 PM
Maybe things will start to change. I hope they do.

rotnoid
09-11-2008, 03:54 PM
Louisiana-Lafayette at Illinois
Southern Illinois at Northwestern
Florida Atlantic at Michigan State
Montana State at Minnesota
Iowa State at Iowa
Oregon at Purdue
Penn State at Syracuse
Michigan at Notre Dame
Ohio State at USC
Wisconsin at Fresno State

I hope I'm wrong, but with a banged up Beanie, I don't see my Bucks staying close on the road.

cincrazy
09-11-2008, 04:03 PM
If Wells doesn't play, it could win up being 42-7, or something along those lines. The offense won't be able to stay on the field for more than 3 minutes at a time.

I want to reply to this and tell you that you're wrong... but I don't think you are. The fact is, Boeckman just isn't very good, and the offensive line, for all the accolades it gets, isn't very good either. I don't expect them to just lay down and take a beating, hopefully they have more pride than that. But I'm scared at what the outcome might be, and that's the first time I've ever said that in the Tressel era.

If we win this game, it will take the coaching effort of a lifetime.

*BaseClogger*
09-11-2008, 04:26 PM
The only time one of the elite RBs ever commit to OSU is when they're from Ohio, ala Clarrett and Wells. It's someting I've never understood.

Elite RBs from Ohio count as blue chippers, don't they?

BTW the following Tressel RBs recruits were from outside of Ohio: JaJa Riley (CA, highly touted but but I can't find # of stars), Lydell Ross (FL, 2 star but outperformed that rating), Ira Guilford (NJ, 3 star), Dennis Kennedy (FL, 2 star) Mo Wells (FL, 4 star), and Aram Olsen (SC, 3 star).


Michigan consistently gets top tier RB commits from everywhere as do USC, Oklahoma, Texas, Florida, and some others.

Michigan consistently recruits OOS because HS football in Michigan is pretty bad. If they tried to field a team of all-stars from MI they would have a hard time beating Northwestern. What makes Ohio State unique is unlike those other schools, they have their home state to their self; they have no major competition for top recruits in Ohio. Heck, the entire PAC 10 is from CA, Big 12 from Texas, and SEC from Florida.


Ohio State always does well on receivers, lineman on both sides of the ball, linebackers and DB. Until Pryor, they were never in the conversation for top tier QBs (something I never understood), and rarely are the top RBs strongly considering OSU.

Tressel stayed away from top QB recruits because he ran a very simple offense which emphasized smart decisions from the QB and did not require a top talent (of course you are forgetting about Robby Schoenhoft, but he doesn't count because he is from Ohio). Now, that is changing because of their recent struggles, hence Pryor...

Spring~Fields
09-11-2008, 05:18 PM
I want to reply to this and tell you that you're wrong... but I don't think you are. The fact is, Boeckman just isn't very good, and the offensive line, for all the accolades it gets, isn't very good either. I don't expect them to just lay down and take a beating, hopefully they have more pride than that. But I'm scared at what the outcome might be, and that's the first time I've ever said that in the Tressel era.

If we win this game, it will take the coaching effort of a lifetime.

USC will approach OSU like Florida and LSU did. I might be wrong, what's new, but I think we are in trouble, shouldn't say we, since I don't even carry water for them. ;)

I think it will take more than running Mo Wells into the line one more time to find out that, that doesn’t work and more than a incomplete pass or two to Hartline
and Robiskie. I think that the USC defense is going to come swarming after Boeckman
And that he is going to be in trouble all day long.

Our Buckeyes are so DOA this time. It will be a good prep for Troy though. :) I am going out on the limb and picking the Buckeyes over Troy in that game. :)

GAC
09-11-2008, 08:29 PM
I h ope your streak continues, BR. I have just have the same feeling about this game that I had going into last year's title game.

OSU (Tressell) has a huge problem with the spread offense, such as what they faced last year with Illinois and LSU.

They're not going to be facing that with this USC team, so that is one consolation I guess.

But Wells is very doubtful now. And for a team (coach) who relies so much on running the ball, controlling the clock, that is going to be a huge problem.

If OSU's offense has trouble moving the ball, having a lot of "three and outs" and can't sustain some drives, putting a lot of pressure on their defense, then it's going to be a long game. Your defense can only keep you in the game for so long.

And I'm also concerned about this offense. Especially if Wells is out, and they are going with a running game "by committee". I don't see their running game as potent/punishing.

OSU's offensive line did a poor job last Saturday. I hope that was a fluke.

And I'm also concerned about the available "weapons" in the receiving game. And again - that makes it even harder, easier on USC, if OSU has a hard time running the ball.

MWM
09-11-2008, 08:38 PM
I'm not worried about anything other than Wells and Boeckman. If OSU had a good QB, not greeat, but at least good, they could play with anyone. With a healthy Wells, they could still play with just about anyone. But without wells and with Boeckman, I don't think they could play with the top handful of teams. It's too bad, because outside of QB, OSU has as much, if not more, talent as any other program in the country.

The silver lining is that they recruited a dynamite offensive line that should start to show itself next year. If Pryor develops and the O-Line gels like it should, and they have a solid RB (i.e. Berry) the 2010 Buckeyes could be great. But it's hard to be great without a QB. There's a lot of bets placed on Pryor. If he winds up not panning out like he's been billed, that could set the program back at QB for a few years.

GAC
09-11-2008, 09:16 PM
Do you think Pryor will see any playing time this Saturday?

MWM
09-11-2008, 09:23 PM
Of course, but I don't think he factors all that much into the game plan. If the Buckeyes get beated badly, I could see that being the spring board for Pryor becoming the starter later in the year. Wisconsin is a legit good team this year. And I think Penn State might be pretty good as well. But I don't see anyone else one their schedule they couldn't beat with Pryor as the starter (assuming Wells is back in). If they lose soundly, any chance of a national title is over. They'll drop to either the bottom of the top 10 or somewhere between 10-15, IMO, which is just about right. So the silver lining to a beat down is that it could be a spring board to getting Pryor a lot more experience this year than he would otherwise get.

I hope I'm dead wrong about this game. They do surprise me every once in a while, so I hope this is one of those times. But in college, moreso than the pros, QB play is criticial in big games. If you put Boeckman on USC and Sanchez on OSU, I'd predict the exact reverse.

BuckeyeRed27
09-11-2008, 10:18 PM
Of course, but I don't think he factors all that much into the game plan. If the Buckeyes get beated badly, I could see that being the spring board for Pryor becoming the starter later in the year. Wisconsin is a legit good team this year. And I think Penn State might be pretty good as well. But I don't see anyone else one their schedule they couldn't beat with Pryor as the starter (assuming Wells is back in). If they lose soundly, any chance of a national title is over. They'll drop to either the bottom of the top 10 or somewhere between 10-15, IMO, which is just about right. So the silver lining to a beat down is that it could be a spring board to getting Pryor a lot more experience this year than he would otherwise get.

I hope I'm dead wrong about this game. They do surprise me every once in a while, so I hope this is one of those times. But in college, moreso than the pros, QB play is criticial in big games. If you put Boeckman on USC and Sanchez on OSU, I'd predict the exact reverse.

What has Mark Sanchez done to make him so much better than TB? Shredding that vaunted Virginia secondary? Throwing more picks than TDs in his time last year?

MWM
09-11-2008, 10:56 PM
Simply, he's better. He's got more talent, skills, etc... That's not a knock on Boeckman. I repsect what he's been able to accomplish. He's gotten the most out of his abilities, but he simply doesn't have the talent that a guy like Sanchez has. There's a reason he was one of the top 2 QBs in the nation coming out of high school.

I will say this. Ohio State's defense is very good. So it's entirely possible that USC's offense will have some struggles. I don't think they're just goig to run roughshod over them at all. I think that will be a pretty good matchup. I'm just afraid that without Wells, the OSU offense will not be able to move the ball at all. So eventually the USC offense will put up some points.

*BaseClogger*
09-11-2008, 11:23 PM
Simply, he's better. He's got more talent, skills, etc... That's not a knock on Boeckman. I repsect what he's been able to accomplish. He's gotten the most out of his abilities, but he simply doesn't have the talent that a guy like Sanchez has. There's a reason he was one of the top 2 QBs in the nation coming out of high school.

I will say this. Ohio State's defense is very good. So it's entirely possible that USC's offense will have some struggles. I don't think they're just goig to run roughshod over them at all. I think that will be a pretty good matchup. I'm just afraid that without Wells, the OSU offense will not be able to move the ball at all. So eventually the USC offense will put up some points.

Reminds me of Buckeyes circa 2003...

*BaseClogger*
09-11-2008, 11:24 PM
Do you think Pryor will see any playing time this Saturday?

I'd like to see the Bucks put Boekman and Pryor in the backfield at the same time, causing big time match up problems...

Chip R
09-12-2008, 01:30 PM
Do you think Pryor will see any playing time this Saturday?


Maybe they should start him at tailback.

*BaseClogger*
09-12-2008, 01:38 PM
Maybe they should start him at tailback.

:thumbup:

mole44
09-12-2008, 05:13 PM
Illinois
Northwestern
Michigan State
Minnesota
Iowa
Oregon
Penn State
Notre Dame
Ohio State
Wisconsin

BuckeyeRedleg
09-12-2008, 05:20 PM
The only time one of the elite RBs ever commit to OSU is when they're from Ohio, ala Clarrett and Wells. It's someting I've never understood. Michigan consistently gets top tier RB commits from everywhere as do USC, Oklahoma, Texas, Florida, and some others. Ohio State always does well on receivers, lineman on both sides of the ball, linebackers and DB. Until Pryor, they were never in the conversation for top tier QBs (something I never understood), and rarely are the top RBs strongly considering OSU.

Since Michigan is not a hotbed for HS football talent, UM has always focused their recruiting more out-of state. So it would make sense that more of their stars are going to be from outside of Michigan.

OSU has had some decent out-of-state RB's.

Eddie George - PA
Michael Wiley - CA
Jonathan Wells - LA
Lydell Ross - FL

BuckeyeRedleg
09-12-2008, 05:31 PM
The closer we get to game time, the more confident I feel.

Word I'm hearing is that Wells is just in pain and playing on it will not do any future damage that could jeopardize his career. It's just pain and cortisone and adrenalin can go a long way to counter the pain.

So, unless something crazy happens, he will play.

Even without him, I think it will be a close game. I was thinking we'd get blown out earlier in the week, but I've calmed down now since the OU fiasco. The key is that Heacock needs to go after Sanchez and their young OL and attack them, unlike they did against LSU and spread teams (Illinois and Florida). If Heacock plays that soft zone crap and we get picked apart, I will meltdown.

I wanted to add one thing. I think USC's dominance is grossly being exaggerated this week. It's to the point where it's getting absurd. I will admit OSU has their weaknesses. I don't trust Boeckman with the game on the line and I think Laurinaitis may be the most overrated player to ever play at OSU. But, c'mon, this USC team has lost a lot of talent from a team that lost to Stanford last year.

It will be a good game, but no blowout.

BuckeyeRedleg
09-12-2008, 05:38 PM
From Buckeye Planet. Good read.

Frustration.

This seems like the perfect week to discuss the idea of perception as it relates to college football and the frustration that comes of it. Represented in this week's match-up between the #1 ranked USC Trojans and the #5 ranked Ohio State Buckeyes is really both ends of a spectrum. On one end, you have the Trojans who can simply do no wrong. On the other, the Buckeyes who can do no right. This game represents every possible frustration you, as a Buckeye fan, must feel. A must win? Unquestionably. But, it's more than that. USC represents the complete caricature of what you can't stand about college football (mostly just ESPN, really, but you get the point). Because of that, and while I'll take a one point win, I need the Buckeyes to put a beating on the Trojans.... and you do too.

Let us begin with the aforementioned rankings. In throttling Youngstown State in week 1, the Buckeyes established that they were only good enough to be knocked backwards a peg, falling from 2 to 3 in the AP. USC, on the other hand, beat up an awful Virginia team to much fanfare and oohs and ahhs. The destruction was enough that they jumped from 3 to 1, gaining a whole 9 votes for number 1 from the previous week (Pre-season poll). So, the Buckeyes enter last weekend's tilt with Ohio rated 3rd in the nation. But, as we all know, Ohio State didn't look like the pretty prom girl in gaining the W and thus the voters dropped them 2 spots to 5th, behind USC, Georgia, Oklahoma, and Florida. Oklahoma, after all, while giving up 26 to Cincinnati, scored 52. Plus, even though they're a bad NFL team, they are in the NFL. Of course they're gonna score some points on a college defense. Florida, meanwhile, dominated Miami of Florida for one whole quarter (after the replay officials decided to make give the Gators a jump start overturning a non-catch setting up 1st and Goal.) Miami of Florida, in case you didn't know, won a lot of championships a long time ago. So, even though every five seconds of the broadcast you heard Brent of Kirk say the word "True Freshman" regarding a Miami player, the win was simply enormous for the Gators.

In any case, two things are clear in the mindset of the voters. One, despite the absurd contention to the contrary, there has always been a Margin of Victory factor in "calculating" the best in the land. So much for the idea that taking MOV out would decrease the likelihood of a team running it up. Two, what you do week to week matters... but, only so far as the score is concerned. So, only beating Ohio by 12 points is enough to warrant knocking the Buckeyes down. Beating an out-manned Directional Michigan school 52 - 17 is what we need to see for you to maintain your ranking. Just winning isn't enough any more. And.. if there's one thing you must do to earn votes its... enjoy a bye week.

Yes, you read that right. USC's bye week performance was enough to convince eleven more voters from the previous week that the Trojans are the top team in the nation, whereas only 9 voters felt that beating the snot out of the hapless Cavaliers was enough to garner a number 1. I don't have the All Access pass to Trojans football, so I can only imagine what kind of bye week USC had. It must have been incredible.

You want more "East Coast bias?" Try this one. In 2007, USC lost at home to a team, Stanford, which was a 41 point underdog. It wasn't just the 41 points. Stanford was 1-3 and was playing with a back-up QB. SC, rated number 1 in the Coaches poll, and 2nd in the AP fell to.... drum roll please.... 7th and 10th. Lets contrast this epic loss with one from Michigan. Remember them? They used to be pretty good. So good, in fact, that they were rated number 5 to begin last season. But, then, they lost to Appalachian State, a 26.5 point dog. Michigan was dropped from the ratings entirely. Lets review. USC drops a game to a team which hasn't had a winning record since 2001 and was supposed to lose by nearly 6 touchdowns playing with a second string QB and falls from 1 to as low as 10. Michigan drops a game to the D-IAA defending champion, a 26.5 point dog and falls completely out of the rankings.

Wait... what does that have to do with Ohio State, you ask? Well, Southern Cal didn't just lose to dreadful Stanford last year. They also lost to Oregon. Now, while the coaches dropped the Trojans all the way to 19th, the AP - get this - dropped the 2 loss Trojans to 13th. A whopping 4 spots. Ohio State later lost it's first game of the year to Illinois and fell 6 spots to 7th from first. USC, had moved up to number 11 by then. And, of course, by the time it was up to selecting who'd play for all the marbles in New Orleans, who was it that was the "hot team" that deserved a chance? None other than USC (and Georgia, for some reason), of course, who had moved up to 6th. Ohio State went on to lose to LSU in the National Title game as you might recall. USC beat up an overrated Illinois club (overrated, ironically because it had beaten No. 1 Ohio State) and the media came strong as ever with the SC Slobberfest. "See, we told you SC was the complete package and the Stanford loss was just 'one of those things!'" "USC beat the team that beat Ohio State going away, they should be playing LSU not the Buckeyes!" "Isn't USC great?

And... then, after it is all said and done.... who are we told we should be "sick" of? Ohio State, of course. The audacity to lose two championship games in a row. What complete jerks. I mean, USC wouldn't have lost if it had gone to two in a row. Well, except that they did lose to Texas in 2005. But, still, it's not like Ohio State is close to the 77-14 record Pete Carroll has amassed out there is LA since 2001. Well... actually, I guess it is exactly like that with Ohio State being 75-16 in that time. But, still, it's not like Ohio State has made it to 2 BCS Championship games like USC has... well.. I guess it actually is like that too since the Buckeyes have been to 3. What about the fact that Ohio State plays in the pathetic Big Ten? SC, as we all know, plays in the ... OK... the PAC 10. Bad example. But still, USC has never had a player take a 500 dollar hand shake and go on to win a Heisman. Oh... that's right, USC had a player take tens of thousands and go on to win a Heisman. But, still, USC won a Championship without even playing for it. Let's see Ohio State match that! See... they can't. Told you SC was better.

If I sound bitter this week it's because I am. I get to listen to Carson friggin Palmer complain about how Buckeye fans love their Buckeyes when every other idiot with a microphone can't stop talking about how great USC is. I get to read about how Pete Carroll can't possibly keep tabs on his players all the time even when these same morons were calling for Jim Tressel's head only a few years prior. I get to watch as Ohio State drops in the polls in successive weeks for winning ball games, while USC picks up votes for beating a glorified High School team and successfully navigating a bye week.

Making it worse, here's the thing of it. This is really a no win. If Ohio State wins the game, all the voters and talking heads and so on will talk about how USC was breaking in a new line and how Mark Sanchez still needs more reps and was playing on a bad knee and so on. They'll discount the win for the Buckeyes and make excuses for USC. Bank on it. SC will probably fall to .... what... 5? After all, it's not like Ohio State is 40 point dogs. If they win, Ohio State might move ahead of .... well... never mind. They won't move ahead of anyone. Unless one of the teams in front of them lose. Don't count on that though. Florida's got a bye week and we already know how Voters love a bye week. I'd expect Florida to jump to 1 in the event of a SC loss and Ohio State win. Georgia's playing South Carolina. Don't let a loss to Vandy fool you, South Carolina's outstanding. Just ask Lou Holtz. The only thing keeping Georgia from regaining the number one ranking is Florida's bye week. Look for a tie at the top spot. Oklahoma's playing the Washington Huskies and while the Huskies aren't really any good, the nation feel really bad for them since they got hosed on a crap penalty. Thus, when Oklahoma beats Washington, it'll seem like they've once again done the impossible. (Incidentally, where's the cries of weak schedule for the boys in Norman? Chattanooga? Cincinnati? Washington's their big OOC game? TCU? That sure sounds familiar.... I wonder if they've managed to get smoked in their last two bowl games...) So, they'll no doubt move up to number 1 as well. Leaving your victorious Buckeyes moving up 1 spot to 4th, a full spot behind where they started the year.

And.. if the Buckeyes lose? Well... it's, "I told you so" and "Can't match the speed" and "Ohio State is a joke" and all that same old crap. It's a no win, and I blame USC for it. I don't care if doing so is fair. All I know is - if Ohio State has one beat down in them.... and I'm talking old school, triple digit, everything goes right for them beat down, I hope it comes this week. I'll take a 1 point win, but I must confess, I want USC to feel a wrath which is enough to make a dent in my frustration with all the friggin idiots out there associated with College football. Is all that USC's fault? No. Truth is, it's not. But, I don't care. I want this beating to be so severe... so vicious... that even Mark May has to admit, "These Buckeyes might actually be pretty good."

So, here's to it Buckeyes. This is a whole season in 60 minutes. It's not just another game. It's your reputation, rightly or wrongly, for the past and the future on the line. It's not right, but it's how it is. Take it out on the Trojans. Beat them, and show no mercy. They deserve it. Right or wrong, they deserve it. They get all the respect you should have. They get it. Now is your one and only chance to get what is rightfully yours. Go Bucks! Beat USC. If you beat them as badly as I want you to, there may even be a number 2 ranking in it for you. But, even I must face the reality that you can't ever top a bye week.... especially not an SEC bye week.

BuckeyeRed27
09-12-2008, 07:41 PM
Exactly.

Michael Young
09-12-2008, 09:36 PM
no beanie it's official

OSUredsFAN
09-12-2008, 10:07 PM
no beanie it's official

nothing is official until gametime.

GAC
09-13-2008, 04:25 AM
nothing is official until gametime.

Tressel announced last night that Beanie would not play. And it's a sound decision. You really risk setting this kid back, and maybe losing him for the entire season (not just the USC game) if you rush him back.

I wouldn't even let him play vs Troy next week either. Get him healthy.

Besides - if they lose, and it's a close game, then they can fall back on the reasoning "Yeah, but we also didn't have our premier offensive threat." ;)

OSUredsFAN
09-13-2008, 08:33 AM
I know what Tressel said, I saw that. I'm just saying that nothing is official until kickoff. He and others have said many different things all week

Chip R
09-13-2008, 08:43 AM
Besides - if they lose, and it's a close game, then they can fall back on the reasoning "Yeah, but we also didn't have our premier offensive threat." ;)


Using this reasoning, if you are a tOSU fan who is against playoffs and they miss out on the BCS title game because of this, would you be more inclined to change your mind if tOSU lost?

cincrazy
09-13-2008, 10:17 AM
I know what Tressel said, I saw that. I'm just saying that nothing is official until kickoff. He and others have said many different things all week

I disagree with that. I think Tressel specifically came out last night and said he wasn't playing so that the team and the fan base could move on and prepare for USC without any distractions.

BuckeyeRed27
09-13-2008, 12:49 PM
Using this reasoning, if you are a tOSU fan who is against playoffs and they miss out on the BCS title game because of this, would you be more inclined to change your mind if tOSU lost?

No. Injuries are part of football. The rest of the team has to step up now. I'm not of fan of getting a do over in December because we couldn't take care of business in September.

Spring~Fields
09-13-2008, 03:02 PM
Better to lose early to a top team than to lose late.

I think Tressell has integrity, thus the disclosure. :)

GAC
09-13-2008, 04:34 PM
Using this reasoning, if you are a tOSU fan who is against playoffs and they miss out on the BCS title game because of this, would you be more inclined to change your mind if tOSU lost?

I've always been for a playoff format (top 8 teams) regardless.

All I was saying was that if we lost a close game then many OSU fans would always wonder "what if" we had had Beanie? Would that have made the difference? Not that it should as far as the BCS placement. A loss is a loss in that case, and injuries are part of the game.

GAC
09-13-2008, 04:42 PM
Michigan looks like crap so far in this one.... 21-10 ND in the 2nd quarter.

And Purdue putting a hurtin', so far, on Oregon 20-3 in the 2nd quarter.

Illinois won, but had a battle.

Other winners.... Penn State, Minnesota, Northwestern, Michigan State, Iowa

Chip R
09-13-2008, 04:46 PM
I've always been for a playoff format (top 8 teams) regardless.

All I was saying was that if we lost a close game then many OSU fans would always wonder "what if" we had had Beanie? Would that have made the difference? Not that it should as far as the BCS placement. A loss is a loss in that case.


I know what you were saying. I have been able to read for several years now. :p: I just think it would pose an interesting dilemma for Buckeye Fan who is against playoffs. If there was a playoff system, tOSU would more than likely get an auto bid for winning the Big 10 then they could go into the playoffs stronger than they were the 3rd week of the season. A loss tonight could cost them a spot in the BCS championship game. Personally, I think 1 loss won't be fatal but the point is that it could be.

OnBaseMachine
09-13-2008, 05:00 PM
Oregon's wide receivers couldn't catch a cold.

GAC
09-13-2008, 05:00 PM
I know what you were saying. I have been able to read for several years now. :p: I just think it would pose an interesting dilemma for Buckeye Fan who is against playoffs. If there was a playoff system, tOSU would more than likely get an auto bid for winning the Big 10 then they could go into the playoffs stronger than they were the 3rd week of the season. A loss tonight could cost them a spot in the BCS championship game. Personally, I think 1 loss won't be fatal but the point is that it could be.

It wasn't in the BCS last year. ;)

*BaseClogger*
09-13-2008, 05:31 PM
Tressel announced last night that Beanie would not play. And it's a sound decision. You really risk setting this kid back, and maybe losing him for the entire season (not just the USC game) if you rush him back.

I wouldn't even let him play vs Troy next week either. Get him healthy.

Besides - if they lose, and it's a close game, then they can fall back on the reasoning "Yeah, but we also didn't have our premier offensive threat." ;)


Word I'm hearing is that Wells is just in pain and playing on it will not do any future damage that could jeopardize his career. It's just pain and cortisone and adrenalin can go a long way to counter the pain.

So, unless something crazy happens, he will play.

*BaseClogger*
09-13-2008, 05:33 PM
BuckeyeRedLeg, if I was in the Buckeye locker room I don't think there is anything you could say to me to get me any more fired up than that post from BuckeyePlanet...

*BaseClogger*
09-13-2008, 05:34 PM
I disagree with that. I think Tressel specifically came out last night and said he wasn't playing so that the team and the fan base could move on and prepare for USC without any distractions.

Or, he was just messing with USC! :evil:

OnBaseMachine
09-13-2008, 05:35 PM
Charlie Weis tore his ACL and MCL against Michigan today. No joke.

GAC
09-13-2008, 09:24 PM
That's it Tressel - You're down 14-3, it's 2nd and 22, you've had a TD taken away and been pushed back thanks to two stupid holding calls, so you go conservative, play for the FG (which they miss).

Geez! :rolleyes:

An approach like that and it's no wonder we're gonna get our clock cleaned.

GAC
09-13-2008, 09:33 PM
Boeckman Int for a TD. Ball was thrown late.

21-3 USC.

Our offense seems to have more of a rhythm with Pryor in there, spreading the USC defense more; but Tressel's gonna stick with his gameplan and continue to put Boeckman in there.

Boeckman now gets blindsided on the blitz, fumbles, and USC recovers.

I think I'll see what is on Starz.

Have mercy on us Carroll! :lol:

D-Man
09-13-2008, 09:41 PM
Boekman Int for a TD. Ball was thrown late.

Let the Pryor era begin. Please.

Boeckman *could* be a good QB on a team with a great line and some decent receivers. But everyone knows he's nearly as mobile and quick as ("tuck the ball") Jeff George on a good day, so they blitz on nearly every down. Boeckman just can't deliver when he gets that kind of pressure.

This OSU line hasn't exactly helped either. The porousness and silly holding plays make Boeckman and the 2008 Buckeyes a bad combination.

CrackerJack
09-13-2008, 09:46 PM
Well this game appears to be over already...sort of expected it.

And yes let Pryor handle a drive. Boeckman has time and time again proved he's not capable of playing well at this level. I am not sure why Tressel's teams look this bad in big games either, despite the fact USC is a better team.

Chip R
09-13-2008, 09:51 PM
It wasn't in the BCS last year. ;)


Yes, I know. That's why I said I didn't think it would be fatal but it could. :rolleyes:

GAC
09-13-2008, 10:00 PM
Let the Pryor era begin. Please.

The only way we are going to have a chance in this game.

And the holding penalties are coming because USC's defensive front is too fast, penetrating, and really showing up our offensive line.

Michael Young
09-13-2008, 10:44 PM
Not a chance. I'm a USC fan but I have a bad feeling about this game. OSU will win.


youre wrong, my friend. usc will roll big time in this one. jmho.

cant believe youre picking against your team in this game

:)

CrackerJack
09-13-2008, 10:47 PM
Yet another horrible embarrassment for the Buckeyes, not sure Tressel recovers from this. With the awful state of the Big Ten, I think we've seen the last of the annual top 5years, for the Buckeyes.

The rest of the nation is probably pretty sick of seeing them not put up good games by now also, unless they're playing a Big Ten team.

GAC
09-13-2008, 10:57 PM
This is downright embarassing.

USC has gotten into the Buckeye's heads so bad that this team is beaten down - emotionally, mentally, and physically - in this one.

There's another Boeckman INT.

USC, up 35-3, is not gonna let up either.

And the 2nd half play calling, IMO, has been terrible (very predictable).

RedsManRick
09-14-2008, 12:01 AM
You could see this beat-down coming a mile away. After being out of Big 10 towns for a while now (since graduating UW in 2004), it's clear that they aren't a top tier conference.

Obviously this game would have been different with Beanie, but OSU just isn't on the same level as a team like USC - and beating up on a weak Big 10 hardly proves otherwise.

MWM
09-14-2008, 12:16 AM
Just watched it and it was pretty much what I thought it was going to be. Boeckman is terrible. He's in way over his head. Beanie would have made a difference, but not near enough to make up for such a bad QB. Had they scored that 2Q TD, and had Boeckman not thrown that gawd-awful INT in the 2Q, it might have been more respectable, but it still wouldn't have been a tight game. They had a major league offense, and OSU's was AAA. Herbstreit said several times before the game and early in the game about how Tressel had to get away from tendencies for them to have any chance. That was his way of saying Tressel is very predictable and hasn't shown an ability to go away from whathe knows. Well, they did a few times and had some success. But for the most part, they were very predictable. I know it's against popular opinion here, but I think he's very over-rated as a coach. In his almost 8 years as coach of OSU, they've had a plus offense for exactly one season and a half. The second half of the season once Troy Smith became the starter and the next year when he won the Heisman. They've been pedestrian pretty much the rest of the Tressel era,and I'm tired of watching them. If he doesn't bring someone else in to install an offense, we're going to see more of the same. Tressel got a lot of credit based on the 2002 season, but he's been very much exposed since the first lost title game. They ought to open up the checkbook to bring in a big time coordinator from somewhere else, like whoever is running BYU's offense.

I don't know lots about many of the top 25 schools, but I doubt Boeckman would be the starting QB at many of them, if any at all. I don't think it's an exaggeration to say he's barely D1 football material. How OSU can have so much talent (and yes, for those who got a lot of enjoyment out of the game, OSU still has TONS of talent) throughout the rest of the team and be THAT deficient at QB is beyond me. With a healthy Beanie Wells, a good QB would make OSU a legit top 5 team this year. With Boeckman, I don't think they're top 10.

I agree with those who said let the Pryor era begin. We got some glimpses tonight at just how good he's got the potential to be. Let him take his lumps this year and come out next year with experience.

But also keep in mind that USC is agood deal better than ANY other team in the country. It's not that close. USC could easily handle anyone in the country, including any team in the SEC. Playing in LA, I don't think anyone could come within 2 TDs of them. So while OSU's weaknesses were exposed, I don't think they're alone in getting beaten badly by the Trojans. The Pac-10 is weaker than even the Big Ten this year, so I highly doubt they even get challenged this year. They can pretty much coast to the national title game from here. The only question is who will play them. As Herbstreit said, this might be the most talented team Carroll's had since he's been there. And THAT is scary.

*BaseClogger*
09-14-2008, 12:19 AM
BTW outside of USC, the PAC 10 is just as miserable as the Big 10...

Tony Cloninger
09-14-2008, 12:24 AM
I wish they could have played in OS and rolled liek this......always fun to go into someone else's place and roll big....so you cannot hear a pin drop.

Doubt USC would have rolled as easily in OS with or without the injured RB.

Being from LA......USC has had a bad habit of thinking they can just walk out to the field and win a game against some bad teams. I think Sanchez is better than Booty....so maybe that will not happen this year.

MWM
09-14-2008, 12:27 AM
You could see this beat-down coming a mile away. After being out of Big 10 towns for a while now (since graduating UW in 2004), it's clear that they aren't a top tier conference.

I don't disagreeabout the Big Ten. But I just don't see any other conferences outside of the SEC that are all that great either. The Pac-10 had some good teams last year, but prior to that, they were very weak for several year. And this year, they're terrible, IMO. The ACC and Big East don't have much. The Big 12 is pretty good this year at the top with Oklahoma, Texas, and Mizzou, but they don't have lots of depth. And before last year, it was Texas and Oklahoma and no one else.

So while the Big Ten isn't the conference they used to be, outside of the SEC I don't see any other conference really separating themselves.


Obviously this game would have been different with Beanie, but OSU just isn't on the same level as a team like USC - and beating up on a weak Big 10 hardly proves otherwise.

Like I said in my last post, I don't think there's anyone capable of running with USC this year. I'm down on OSU this year, but I think there's only a few teams in the country that could pull away from them. Outside of that, they could play anyone close, IMO. They might not win, but with a healthy Beanie, they could give most teams a run for their money. I don't underestimate the impact Wells will make when healthy. They obviously still get beat tonight, but he's arguably the best back in the country and is a huge difference maker. He's a special player and will make OSU a much better team when he's back.

I think this will be a different team by the end of the season, and I'm actually looking forward to seeing their bowl game. The defense is still really good and I think (at least I hope) that Pryor is getting a majority of the snaps by the end of the year. I think they'll be much better by then and will likely play a really good team in a bowl. And I think they'll have a good chance to win. USC is just a freak this year.

*BaseClogger*
09-14-2008, 12:31 AM
In his almost 8 years as coach of OSU, they've had a plus offense for exactly one season and a half. The second half of the season once Troy Smith became the starter and the next year when he won the Heisman.

Troy Smith took over at QB in 2004, and was the starter after the Texas game in 2005, then won the Heisman in 2006.


They've been pedestrian pretty much the rest of the Tressel era,and I'm tired of watching them. If he doesn't bring someone else in to install an offense, we're going to see more of the same. Tressel got a lot of credit based on the 2002 season, but he's been very much exposed since the first lost title game. They ought to open up the checkbook to bring in a big time coordinator from somewhere else, like whoever is running BYU's offense.

I agree with this and I think brining in someone outside of his circle to run the offense would be an excellent idea. I've had about enough of Bollman and Tressel's play calling.


I don't know lots about many of the top 25 schools, but I doubt Boeckman would be the starting QB at many of them, if any at all. I don't think it's an exaggeration to say he's barely D1 football material. How OSU can have so much talent (and yes, for those who got a lot of enjoyment out of the game, OSU still has TONS of talent) throughout the rest of the team and be THAT deficient at QB is beyond me. With a healthy Beanie Wells, a good QB would make OSU a legit top 5 team this year. With Boeckman, I don't think they're top 10.

Boekman wasn't a major recruit, in fact he was grey shirted his first year and red shirted his second. He was just one of those Ohio QBs brought in to add depth. tOSU has brough in some talent in recent years--both Justin Zwick and Robby Schoenhoft were 4 star prospects--but they never panned out. This team was supposed to be led by Schoenhoft or Antonio Henton, but Tressel did his normal thing last year and started Boeckman from the beginning because he was the guy who had been around the longest. Todd predictably beat up on weak competition to start last season, and Tress decided to stick with him down the stretch, even after it became obvious he was the wrong choice from the beginning.


I agree with those who said let the Pryor era begin. We got some glimpses tonight at just how good he's got the potential to be. Let him take his lumps this year and come out next year with experience.

But also keep in mind that USC is agood deal better than ANY other team in the country. It's not that close. USC could easily handle anyone in the country, including any team in the SEC. Playing in LA, I don't think anyone could come within 2 TDs of them. So while OSU's weaknesses were exposed, I don't think they're alone in getting beaten badly by the Trojans. The Pac-10 is weaker than even the Big Ten this year, so I highly doubt they even get challenged this year. They can pretty much coast to the national title game from here. The only question is who will play them. As Herbstreit said, this might be the most talented team Carroll's had since he's been there. And THAT is scary.

Spot on analysis... :thumbup:

RedsManRick
09-14-2008, 12:46 AM
Fowler and Herbstreit must have suggested the Pryor era start now about a dozen times. As a Badger fan, I hope not.

MWM
09-14-2008, 12:51 AM
As a Badger fan, did you just see that replay reversal of the fumble by Fresno State? I'm speechless. I have no clue what they were watching to think that wasn't a catch then a fumble. Attrocious call.

OUReds
09-14-2008, 01:16 AM
I don't think it's an exaggeration to say he's barely D1 football material. How OSU can have so much talent (and yes, for those who got a lot of enjoyment out of the game, OSU still has TONS of talent) throughout the rest of the team and be THAT deficient at QB is beyond me. With a healthy Beanie Wells, a good QB would make OSU a legit top 5 team this year. With Boeckman, I don't think they're top 10.

That's wayyyyy over the top. He isn't a top tier QB by any means, but he's a solid QB who was overmatched on the road by one of, if not the, best teams in the country.

I'm disappointed they got their doors blown off, but OSU, the Big Ten, and Jim Tressel will be just fine.

MWM
09-14-2008, 01:22 AM
I disagree. I don't think he's "solid" at all. He's overmatched against any good defense. He crumbles against against kind of pressure from the defense.

OUReds
09-14-2008, 01:42 AM
I disagree. I don't think he's "solid" at all. He's overmatched against any good defense. He crumbles against against kind of pressure from the defense.

First Team all Big Ten last year, leading the league in pass efficiency (which is exactly what Tressel wants from a QB of course). 2,379 yards last year with 24 TDs against 11 INTs. I know he's surrounded by talent, but there are plenty of QBs who would kill for those numbers.

The pressure he crumbled against today was from a team every bit worthy of being #1 in the country. Goodness knows I'm not a huge Boeckman fan, but he's hardly a marginal D1 QB.

cincrazy
09-14-2008, 01:43 AM
I disagree. I don't think he's "solid" at all. He's overmatched against any good defense. He crumbles against against kind of pressure from the defense.

Agreed.

*BaseClogger*
09-14-2008, 01:44 AM
First Team all Big Ten last year, leading the league in pass efficiency (which is exactly what Tressel wants from a QB of course). 2,379 yards last year with 24 TDs against 11 INTs. I know he's surrounded by talent, but there are plenty of QBs who would kill for those numbers.

The pressure he crumbled against today was from a team every bit worthy of being #1 in the country. Goodness knows I'm not a huge Boeckman fan, but he's hardly a marginal D1 QB.

He was in his fifth year last season; he's a glorified MAC QB...

cincrazy
09-14-2008, 02:11 AM
I wish they could have played in OS and rolled liek this......always fun to go into someone else's place and roll big....so you cannot hear a pin drop.

Doubt USC would have rolled as easily in OS with or without the injured RB.

Being from LA......USC has had a bad habit of thinking they can just walk out to the field and win a game against some bad teams. I think Sanchez is better than Booty....so maybe that will not happen this year.

Next year will be a different story. It'll be in the Shoe. It'll be Pryor's team (and hopefully a team with an identity...) Here's hoping the roles are reversed next year

GAC
09-14-2008, 07:45 AM
You could see this beat-down coming a mile away. After being out of Big 10 towns for a while now (since graduating UW in 2004), it's clear that they aren't a top tier conference.

That may very well be true; but as MWM has already said, the Pac-10 may also qualify for that too (other then USC). Just take a look at their standings so far. It took Oregon dbl OT to beat Purdue. The SEC is it right now. And then probably followed by the Big 12.


Obviously this game would have been different with Beanie

I don't think so. That defensive front simply manhandled our over-matched offensive line. That offensive line is going to be a problem for OSU this year. If Beanie Wells can rush for what he did last year behind this line, then he should be a Heisman candidate! :lol:

And OSU doesn't possess the serious threat in the receiver position it has in the past that helps to open up the running game.

And it also gets back to the predictability of a Jim Tressell also. I laughed at the announcers who said they liked how well OSU was "mixing it up". The only mixing up they were doing was alternating Boeckman and Pryor in and out. And USC knew what was coming, depending on who was in there. Boeckman = pass Pryor = QB Option (keeper). It was terrible.

Tressell plays Big Ten style of football regardless of who the foe is. He knows no other way.

That was very evident in the 2nd quarter, after the TD was called back due to the holding penalty, then the other holding penalty that pushed them back around USC's 30 yd line making it 2nd and long. This coach plays for field position and the FG attempt on 2nd down! He even acknowledged that in the post-game.

LoganBuck
09-14-2008, 07:45 AM
That was truly awful, but I came away with several take home points.

1. Boeckman's time should be up. He needs to play baseball this spring and move on. When he gets the slightest pass rush he loses the ability to go through progressions at all.

2. The right side of the offensive line is just awful. Ben Person and Bryant Browning just can't get it done. Person whiffed on a block pulling from the right side on the play early in the game when Pryor was stuffed in the backfield near the goal line. He was the guilty party on the holding penalty that negated the touchdown, and yes it was holding. Browning is a guard masquerading as a tackle he doesn't have the footspeed to play that position. Late in the game I noticed Shugarts was in.

3. Beanie Wells is the catalyst for the offense to be successful. Without him they search for their identity similar to the Buckeye offenses of 2003 and 2004 after Clarret, the offense is dependent on that great running back. Without that type of guy Bollman and Tressel are incapable of executing an offensive game plan.

4. The Defense was ok, imo. They were not going to stop USC, but they had to hold up. The last touchdown was a brainfart on the part of the secondary, and the OSU offense didn't do them any favors.

5. Why didn't Tressel challenge the fumble early on that led to a USC touchdown? Jim Cordle came away with the ball, and it was clearly rolling around before he got it. Did an official blow a whistle when it looked like USC had the ball for a split second?

6. I thought the game was poorly officiated each way. Some questionable calls both ways and many no calls each way. The Pac-10 needs to tighten some of that up.

USC is without a doubt the better team, but to my way of thinking the game should have been more like 28-14 then 35-3. It wasn't the unmitigated disaster that it could have been. Change must come to Ohio State, Troy is not a patsy next week. They could jump up and catch a team licking its wounds.

GAC
09-14-2008, 07:51 AM
I disagree. I don't think he's "solid" at all. He's overmatched against any good defense. He crumbles against against kind of pressure from the defense.

he folds under pressure.... like a pup tent in a hurricane. ;)

GAC
09-14-2008, 07:59 AM
What really bothers me is getting up this morning and seeing various sports editorials really letting OSU have it - rubbing "salt in the wound" by reminding everyone that this team not only gets beat, but DESTROYED, when they play these "elite" teams/conferences.

Yea, yeah.... we know.

GAC
09-14-2008, 08:32 AM
WEEK 3 WINNERS

Northwestern
Michigan State
Minnesota
Illinois
Iowa
Notre Dame
Penn State
Oregon
USC
Wisconsin


WEEK 3 STANDINGS



OUReds 29-2 .935
RedsManRick 28-3 .903
BaseClogger 28-3
mole44 28-3
Danny Serafini 28-3
cincrazy 27-4 .870
IowaRed 27-4
Hoosier Red 27-4
rotnoid 18-3 .857
Buckeye33 26-5 .838
MasonBuzz3 26-5
BuckeyeRed27 26-5
OnBaseMachine 26-5
cumberlandreds 25-5 .833
GAC 25-6 .806
OSUredsFAN 25-6
TheOnlyRedsFan 7-2 .777
Spring~Fields 23-8 .741
Strikes Out Looking 15-6 .714

Three guys went 10-0 this week... OUReds, RedsManRick, and Spring~Fields.

And since Spring~Fields went 10-0 I've decided to implement a mandatory drug testing policy since IQ and alcohol is really not an issue. :ughmamoru

So PM me, and I'll tell you all where to forward the pee.

The most common game(s) missed -other then them loyal Buck fans who refused to face the truth and stuck with their team regardless - was the Michigan-ND game, Oregon-Purdue, and Wisconsin-Fresno State.

WEEK #4 SCHEDULE

Troy @ OSU
Temple @ Penn State
Ohio @ Northwestern
Florida Atlantic @ Minnesota
Iowa @ Pittsburgh
Central Michigan @ Purdue
Notre Dame @ Michigan State
Ball State @ Indiana

Boy! These schedules are really getting tougher! :rolleyes:

I'm sorry; but I have issues with a conference where you don't even play everyone in that conference.

Matt700wlw
09-14-2008, 11:40 AM
Them Buckeyes are the most overrated team ever.

Every year, they're supposed to be something......until they actually face somebody.

*BaseClogger*
09-14-2008, 12:33 PM
WEEK #4 SCHEDULE

Troy @ OSU
Temple @ Penn State
Ohio @ Northwestern
Florida Atlantic @ Minnesota
Iowa @ Pittsburgh
Central Michigan @ Purdue
Notre Dame @ Michigan State
Ball State @ Indiana

*BaseClogger*
09-14-2008, 12:34 PM
I'm sorry; but I have issues with a conference where you don't even play everyone in that conference.

So then the only conferences you approve of are the PAC 10 and the Big East?

RedsManRick
09-14-2008, 12:44 PM
As a Badger fan, did you just see that replay reversal of the fumble by Fresno State? I'm speechless. I have no clue what they were watching to think that wasn't a catch then a fumble. Attrocious call.

Yeah, that was pretty ridiculous. He took two steps and was clearly tucking the ball when he was stripped. I can't believe they overturned it. Thankfully it didn't cost us the game b/c Fresno State's place kicker stunk it up.

RedsManRick
09-14-2008, 12:51 PM
Troy @ OSU
Temple @ Penn State
Ohio @ Northwestern
Florida Atlantic @ Minnesota
Iowa @ Pittsburgh
Central Michigan @ Purdue
Notre Dame @ Michigan State
Ball State @ Indiana

OUReds
09-14-2008, 02:08 PM
Troy @ OSU
Temple @ Penn State
Ohio @ Northwestern (thought hard on this one, I think Frank's boys could pull this one out)
Florida Atlantic @ Minnesota
Iowa @ Pittsburgh
Central Michigan @ Purdue (C Michigan could make this one a game also. Their QB is very good)
Notre Dame @ Michigan State
Ball State @ Indiana

OnBaseMachine
09-14-2008, 03:12 PM
WEEK #4 SCHEDULE

OSU
Penn State
Northwestern
Minnesota
Iowa
Purdue
Notre Dame
Indiana

GAC
09-14-2008, 03:39 PM
So then the only conferences you approve of are the PAC 10 and the Big East?

Not what I am saying BC. What good is being in ANY conference if you're not going to play allthe teams in said conference. And they have the weirdest type of rotation (if that is what you want to call it).

I guarantee you that OSU and Michigan will never be omitted off each other's schedule. But there have also been a couple of instances in the BIg 10 in the last few years where two teams in 1st place in the conference didn't have to worry about facing off against each other.

I realize that a majority of the conferences do it anymore, in trying to "accomodate" these smaller schools; but it didn't use to be that way. At least not to the degree we are seeing now.

OUReds
09-14-2008, 03:51 PM
I guarantee you that OSU and Michigan will never be omitted off each other's schedule. But there have also been a couple of instances in the BIg 10 in the last few years where two teams in 1st place in the conference didn't have to worry about facing off against each other.

Each team designates two "rivals" who never rotate off the schedule. Thus OSU plays Penn State and Michigan every year. Michigan plays OSU and MSU every year. Penn State Plays MSU and OSU every year.

GAC
09-14-2008, 04:01 PM
OSU drops eight spots to #13.

They got a favorable ranking because I don't think they are that good. I'd have dropped them down to around 18th.

MWM
09-14-2008, 04:50 PM
I think 13 is about right. I don't think there's 17 teams who would beat OSU on a neutral site. I actually don't feel that bad about yesterday as I think it'sgoing to be the springborard to the Pryor era. However, this could fall into the "be careful what you wish for" category.

I like the fact that they brought Pryor into the game plan last night, but that's where Tressel's creativity stopped. The majority of the plays he was in were plays that were very predictable with him in there. The couple of times they ran some more creative plays with Pryor, they actually worked.

But I liked what I saw from him. He was in one of the toughest placest to play in all the country, facing the best team in thr country, and he didn't look overwhelmed. That's at least one positive from the debacle.

Strikes Out Looking
09-14-2008, 08:46 PM
My long slog out of last place begins...

Troy @ OSU
Temple @ Penn State
Ohio @ Northwestern
Florida Atlantic @ Minnesota
Iowa @ Pittsburgh
Central Michigan @ Purdue
Notre Dame @ Michigan State
Ball State @ Indiana

Of course, if I payed any attention I'd probably know more about these things. . .

OSUredsFAN
09-14-2008, 11:58 PM
WEEK #4 SCHEDULE

Troy @ OSU
Temple @ Penn State
Ohio @ Northwestern
Florida Atlantic @ Minnesota
Iowa @ Pittsburgh
Central Michigan @ Purdue
Notre Dame @ Michigan State
Ball State @ Indiana

Lets Go Big 11, except for Sparty.