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Danny Serafini
09-02-2008, 01:36 PM
Those are the lone roster expansions for today, per team press notes.

Joseph
09-02-2008, 02:05 PM
Bats are in the playoffs, so its no real surprise. I'd rather they win and learn at AAA than be on the pine watching the big team lose.

kheidg-
09-02-2008, 03:43 PM
Bats are in the playoffs, so its no real surprise. I'd rather they win and learn at AAA than be on the pine watching the big team lose.

Exactly. We all know Dusty wants to get Bako and Patterson as many at bats as possible to see what they can give us next year. LOL

OldXOhio
09-02-2008, 03:45 PM
Exactly. We all know Dusty wants to get Bako and Patterson as many at bats as possible to see what they can give us next year. LOL

Why the "LOL" at the end? Bako I'd guess is playing his final days as a Red. CP, not so sure.

Reds1
09-02-2008, 04:21 PM
Bats are in the playoffs, so its no real surprise. I'd rather they win and learn at AAA than be on the pine watching the big team lose.

Well they have won 3 in row! :) Nice to see Burton back. Hope to see some of the young players get a chance. Dickerson has been showing he for sure can make this team as a 4th/5th OF if not a CF and leadoff. We need some serious change though. How many Freel/Hopper/Hariston guys you need.

Caveat Emperor
09-02-2008, 04:38 PM
Dickerson has been showing he for sure can make this team as a 4th/5th OF if not a CF and leadoff. We need some serious change though. How many Freel/Hopper/Hariston guys you need.

I'm not so certain that Dickerson isn't going to be considered interchangable with that group, once he gets enough plate appearences to have a proper sample size for evaluation.

OnBaseMachine
09-02-2008, 04:42 PM
Unlike Hairston, Freel, and Hopper, Dickerson actually has some pop in his bat and is willing to take a walk. He's also a very good defensive outfielder. Dickerson is not as good as he's playing right now but he's got a chance to be a platoon starter against RHP IMO.

kheidg-
09-02-2008, 05:07 PM
Why the "LOL" at the end? Bako I'd guess is playing his final days as a Red. CP, not so sure.

The "LOL" because I find it hilarious that these guys are still playing, let alone still on the team.

Reds1
09-02-2008, 06:23 PM
I'm not so certain that Dickerson isn't going to be considered interchangable with that group, once he gets enough plate appearences to have a proper sample size for evaluation.

I would agree, but I think he has more power! Too early to tell.

OnBaseMachine
09-02-2008, 10:47 PM
Ramirez, Burton rejoin Reds
Pair of pitchers will add depth to Cincinnati bullpen
By Mark Sheldon / MLB.com

CINCINNATI -- In expected moves following Monday's expansion of rosters to 40 players, the Reds recalled pitcher Ramon Ramirez and activated reliever Jared Burton from the 15-day disabled list.

In what was technically a "paper move," Ramirez was optioned to Class A Sarasota after he made his Major League debut on Saturday against the Giants. Filling in for the injured Johnny Cueto, he gave up three earned runs and five hits over seven innings. Ramirez struck out six and walked two during a no-decision.

Ramirez remained in Cincinnati in anticipation of his recall. The right-hander will not go back into the rotation for now.

"We're going to use him in the [bullpen]," Reds manager Dusty Baker said. "He's been in the 'pen before, and he can do both. He might get another start before the season is over."

In 30 games, including 24 starts with Double-A Chattanooga and Triple-A Louisville this season, Ramirez was 6-8 with a 3.59 ERA.

Burton has not pitched since July 10 because of a strained latissimus muscle in his right side. He entered play on Tuesday with a 4-1 record and a 2.23 ERA.

http://cincinnati.reds.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20080902&content_id=3407439&vkey=news_cin&fext=.jsp&c_id=cin

Degenerate39
09-02-2008, 10:56 PM
I'd use Ramirez in the rotation. Just go with a 6 man rotation

Volquez
Arroyo
Cueto
Harang
Ramirez
Fogg

AmarilloRed
09-03-2008, 01:44 AM
I would have thought Ramirez could have helped Louisville in the playoffs. I'm glad to see him at the start of September; still, there was no reason to call him up this soon.

WVRedsFan
09-03-2008, 01:49 AM
I'd use Ramirez in the rotation. Just go with a 6 man rotation

Volquez
Arroyo
Cueto
Harang
Ramirez
Fogg

Replace Fogg with Ramirez. I sreriously doubt Josh will be here next year so why give him more opportunities except out of the bullpen?

And I'll go into true confessions here. I kind of like Josh Fogg. He seems like nice guy. I wish him well wherever he goes next year. i just hope it's not with the Reds.

Kc61
09-03-2008, 12:21 PM
Replace Fogg with Ramirez. I sreriously doubt Josh will be here next year so why give him more opportunities except out of the bullpen?

And I'll go into true confessions here. I kind of like Josh Fogg. He seems like nice guy. I wish him well wherever he goes next year. i just hope it's not with the Reds.


Just a guess -- reason Ramirez is in the pen is that the Reds see him as a reliever long-term.

lollipopcurve
09-03-2008, 12:37 PM
Replace Fogg with Ramirez. I sreriously doubt Josh will be here next year so why give him more opportunities except out of the bullpen?

Ramirez has pitched well this year as a starter. Why not give him a rotation spot for September as a reward? Who knows, maybe he continues to do well and puts himself squarely in the conversation for the back of the rotation for next year. The transition to reliever can happen any time, if others beat him out -- why disqualify him as a starter now? Pretty strange way to manage him, following his very nice 7-inning outing....

Why would Fogg get to continue to start, having pitched poorly, while Ramirez gets to sit, having pitched well? While a lot has gone right on the pitching staff this year, there have been some awful decisions, too. This is another one of them, in my opinion.

RedLegSuperStar
09-03-2008, 12:49 PM
Ramirez has pitched well this year as a starter. Why not give him a rotation spot for September as a reward? Who knows, maybe he continues to do well and puts himself squarely in the conversation for the back of the rotation for next year. The transition to reliever can happen any time, if others beat him out -- why disqualify him as a starter now? Pretty strange way to manage him, following his very nice 7-inning outing....

Why would Fogg get to continue to start, having pitched poorly, while Ramirez gets to sit, having pitched well? While a lot has gone right on the pitching staff this year, there have been some awful decisions, too. This is another one of them, in my opinion.

I totally agreed. Fogg should be the one used in relief.

*BaseClogger*
09-04-2008, 12:39 AM
How did Burton look?

Patrick Bateman
09-04-2008, 03:10 AM
How did Burton look?

His command was a little off, but his stuff looked fine. Throwing hard with his usual movement.

Not surprising for a guy's first ML game back. Just has to sharpen up his game. But to really answer your question, because his stuff looked fine, he looked healthy, and that's the key.

*BaseClogger*
09-04-2008, 01:47 PM
His command was a little off, but his stuff looked fine. Throwing hard with his usual movement.

Not surprising for a guy's first ML game back. Just has to sharpen up his game. But to really answer your question, because his stuff looked fine, he looked healthy, and that's the key.

Thank you. Burton will be a very important part of the bullpen on next year's team that wins 75 games... :p:

Matt700wlw
09-04-2008, 02:04 PM
Meanwhile, Ramirez sits in the bullpen while Fogg gets those ever important starts...

RedsFan75
09-05-2008, 11:52 AM
And Corey Patterson gets AB's, (Ramirez's BA is higher)

AmarilloRed
09-10-2008, 01:51 AM
With Fogg on the 60 day DL, Ramirez should get the rest of those starts in September. 2 starts, 2 quality starts. Ramon Ramirez is making a good case to join the rotation next year.

OnBaseMachine
09-10-2008, 01:59 AM
Ramirez has impressed me in his three outings. It's a shame the bullpen blew a three run lead in each of his starts. His changeup is a plus pitch. His fastball is only in the 89-92 mph range but his changeup is so good that it keeps hitters behind on the fastball. If he can improve his slider he could become a whole lot more interesting.

RedlegJake
09-10-2008, 08:58 AM
Ramirez has impressed me in his three outings. It's a shame the bullpen blew a three run lead in each of his starts. His changeup is a plus pitch. His fastball is only in the 89-92 mph range but his changeup is so good that it keeps hitters behind on the fastball. If he can improve his slider he could become a whole lot more interesting.

Pretty much have the same take on Ramirez. If he can add a bit more bite to his slider he could arguably become a pretty good mid rotation starter. I like his mentality - he seems to be a battler, all in all a pretty good chance to be a solid end of rotation starter as is.