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Red in Chicago
09-05-2008, 06:57 PM
Cubs
A. Soriano lf
R. Theriot ss
D. Lee 1b
A. Ramirez 3b
M. DeRosa 2b
J. Edmonds cf
G. Soto c
K. Fukudome rf
T. Lilly p

Cincinnati REDS
C. Dickerson cf
J. Keppinger ss
B. Phillips 2b
J. Votto 1b
E. Encarnacion 3b
J. Bruce rf
J. Cabrera lf
R. Hanigan c
B. Arroyo p

remdog
09-05-2008, 07:42 PM
Well, true to his word, Dusty isn't playing Castillo. It's Cabrera instead. (famous shrug) At least it's not Patterson starting. Of course that means that CPatt could be Dusty's 'big weapon' off the bench. :scared

Rem

OnBaseMachine
09-05-2008, 07:57 PM
Dusty says he wants to win as many games as possible and then turns around and plays a defensive liability in left field.

lollipopcurve
09-05-2008, 08:22 PM
Warning!

New JTM ad.

Wow. Beware.

oneupper
09-05-2008, 08:22 PM
Well, true to his word, Dusty isn't playing Castillo. It's Cabrera instead. (famous shrug) At least it's not Patterson starting. Of course that means that CPatt could be Dusty's 'big weapon' off the bench. :scared

Rem

CPatt has been "demoted" into a platoon with Cabrera. Watch what happens when the team faces a RHP.

Ltlabner
09-05-2008, 08:23 PM
Warning!

New JTM ad.

Wow. Beware.

The one with the Creeper in the Reds HOF museum?

I'm not sure if that was trippy or frightening.

nate
09-05-2008, 08:24 PM
Chat is open for this exciting September Reds game!

Red in Chicago
09-05-2008, 08:27 PM
arroyo is on FIRE ;)

lollipopcurve
09-05-2008, 08:27 PM
arroyo rolling

3 Ks on about 11 pitches

Ltlabner
09-05-2008, 08:28 PM
Something weird just happened......I'm not really sure what it was I just witnessed.

OnBaseMachine
09-05-2008, 08:28 PM
Arroyo K's the side.

_Sir_Charles_
09-05-2008, 08:28 PM
Okay, seriously....who is this guy? :O) Love this start.

OnBaseMachine
09-05-2008, 08:29 PM
Dickerson continues rolling with a lead off single off Lilly.

_Sir_Charles_
09-05-2008, 08:30 PM
The Dickerson train keeps on a rollin. Linedrive single.

remdog
09-05-2008, 08:31 PM
I'm liking that I'm hearing Reds fans cheering more than Cubs fans, so far.

Rem

OnBaseMachine
09-05-2008, 08:34 PM
Votto 2-run homerun! His 8th this season against the Cubs. That ball was long gone.

_Sir_Charles_
09-05-2008, 08:35 PM
I'm liking that I'm hearing Reds fans cheering more than Cubs fans, so far.

Rem

Well, that WAS the case. Notice how LOUD those boos were on the call of Phillips safe at first? This just looks....ODD.

Okay, check that....Now you can hear the Reds fans. Votto bomb! :O)

OnBaseMachine
09-05-2008, 08:39 PM
Votto has homered in three straight games and nearly four, as he flied out to the 404 mark in CF in the first game against the Pirates. I'd love to see him reach 20 for the season.

EdE reaches on an error and Bruce walks on four pitches. He's now got six walks in his last 5+ games.

lollipopcurve
09-05-2008, 08:39 PM
Nice to see Bruce letting bad balls go by.

_Sir_Charles_
09-05-2008, 08:39 PM
Lily looks shaken. 4 pitch walk to Bruce. 2 on, 2 outs, Reds up 2-0.

OnBaseMachine
09-05-2008, 08:40 PM
I can't stand Scrubs fans. Nothing would please me more than to see the Reds sweep them this weekend.

_Sir_Charles_
09-05-2008, 08:42 PM
4 pitch walk to Bruce just after missing badly on 3 straight pitches to Edwin...and Cabrera swings at the first pitch. What exactly does Jacoby do again? Is he allowed to speak in the dugout? A subtle little..."lets show some patience up there" could go a long way.

PuffyPig
09-05-2008, 08:45 PM
4 pitch walk to Bruce just after missing badly on 3 straight pitches to Edwin...and Cabrera swings at the first pitch. What exactly does Jacoby do again? Is he allowed to speak in the dugout? A subtle little..."lets show some patience up there" could go a long way.

You can't criticize when a player swings at a first pitch fastball down the middle of the plate and absolutely crunches it.

You let that pitch go by, and you are playing catch up the rest of the AB.

Patinece is letting unhittable pitches go by.

Stupidity is letting cripples go by.

lollipopcurve
09-05-2008, 08:45 PM
and Cabrera swings at the first pitch.

He had a good pitch to hit and hit a line drive. No problem with that. Lotta times a guy who's been wild will try to slip a cookie past on the 1st pitch, assuming the batter is going to take it. Makes for a good pitch to hit.

remdog
09-05-2008, 08:46 PM
Well, that WAS the case. Notice how LOUD those boos were on the call of Phillips safe at first? This just looks....ODD.

Okay, check that....Now you can hear the Reds fans. Votto bomb! :O)

Yeah, I noticed that....as well as the same thing when EE was safe.

Cubs suck!

Rem

OnBaseMachine
09-05-2008, 08:48 PM
Edmonds reaches on a two out swinging bunt.

OnBaseMachine
09-05-2008, 08:49 PM
Soto K's. 4 K's for Arroyo. 2-0 Reds after 1 1/2 innings.

remdog
09-05-2008, 08:49 PM
George and Chris gushing about Edmonds dribbling one 60 feet down the 3rd base line.

Could someone fire these two NOW!?! Please, please, please....

Rem

_Sir_Charles_
09-05-2008, 08:50 PM
You can't criticize when a player swings at a first pitch fastball down the middle of the plate and absolutely crunches it.

You let that pitch go by, and you are playing catch up the rest of the AB.

Patinece is letting unhittable pitches go by.

Stupidity is letting cripples go by.

Okay, fair point. I guess it's just frustration of seeing it over the long haul of the season without any noticable change in approach.

_Sir_Charles_
09-05-2008, 08:53 PM
Hanigan reaches on a high throw by Encarna....er....Theriot.

_Sir_Charles_
09-05-2008, 08:55 PM
Bronson with a sac bunt to move Hanigan over, then Chris is HBP on the first pitch. 1 down, men on 1st & 2nd.

lollipopcurve
09-05-2008, 08:56 PM
the more I see of Hanigan, the more I like him -- he plays hard and smart

_Sir_Charles_
09-05-2008, 08:56 PM
Kepp! Double scores Hanigan. Nearly gone...off the top of the wall. Lilly has really looked shaken since the Votto bomb. :O)

Red in Chicago
09-05-2008, 08:56 PM
joey coming up with bases loaded...let's ice this game now!!!

OnBaseMachine
09-05-2008, 08:56 PM
Keppinger misses a 3-run homerun by a foot. 3-0 Reds with runners on second and third with only one out for Phillips. An intentional walk to Phillips loads the bases for Votto. Blow this thing open Joey.

OnBaseMachine
09-05-2008, 08:57 PM
Votto is ahead 2-0 in the count.

_Sir_Charles_
09-05-2008, 08:57 PM
Brandon intentionally walked to load the bases for the designated cubs killer. Votto approaches.

OnBaseMachine
09-05-2008, 08:58 PM
3-0 on Votto.

OnBaseMachine
09-05-2008, 08:58 PM
Votto walks! 4-0 Reds.

_Sir_Charles_
09-05-2008, 08:59 PM
Walks in a run. Hmmm....I'm having a hard time hearing those Cubs cheers. :O)

OnBaseMachine
09-05-2008, 09:00 PM
EdE sac fly makes it 5-0.

_Sir_Charles_
09-05-2008, 09:01 PM
Edwin! :) Sac fly to score Kepp. 5-0 good guys.

remdog
09-05-2008, 09:02 PM
The Cubs are playing like the Chubbs that I've grown to know and love in over 50 years of watching baseball.

Please, please, please don't let this one get rained out! :pray:

Rem

OnBaseMachine
09-05-2008, 09:06 PM
Bruce makes an outstanding diving catch!

OnBaseMachine
09-05-2008, 09:07 PM
Cubs already pinch hitting for Lilly.

HokieRed
09-05-2008, 09:08 PM
Seems an odd move for Lou to go into the bullpen this early. Has Lilly looked hurt or struggling physically somehow?

_Sir_Charles_
09-05-2008, 09:09 PM
Wow. One extreme to another for Bruce's defense. Looked at Dickerson then misplayed the ball. *sigh*

remdog
09-05-2008, 09:10 PM
Bruce boots one.

Bruce and Dickerson played together in L'ville. That ball should have been caught.

Rem

_Sir_Charles_
09-05-2008, 09:11 PM
WP from Bronson advances runner to 3rd.

OnBaseMachine
09-05-2008, 09:11 PM
Bruce made a web gem and followed it by dropping a ball on the run. I don't know if Dickerson caught his eye or what.

_Sir_Charles_
09-05-2008, 09:12 PM
Bronson K's Soriano. He really looks sharp tonight. Changing speeds and location VERY well.

His duel with Theriot for example....

89 mph FB low & inside
75 mph Slider up & in
67 mph Curve up & out
73 mph Curve wide outside
68 mph Curve at the head then bends in for a strike
87 mph FB outside corner.

I love it when Bronson throws like this. When he's on like this he can really keep the hitters off balance.

remdog
09-05-2008, 09:13 PM
I think Bruce is going to be a star but right now he's showing that he's 21 y.o. If he had gone to college he'd either be in this draft class or the next.

He's making the mistakes that, honestly, happen from time to time and I think over the next year or so he'll eliminate them but, right now, there are a few bumps in the road.

Rem

HokieRed
09-05-2008, 09:15 PM
Bronson up to 55 pitches. Need a few more runs because we're going to have to get at least 3 from the pen.

_Sir_Charles_
09-05-2008, 09:18 PM
Cabrera HBP, but Hanigan follows it up with a GIDP on the first pitch.

remdog
09-05-2008, 09:21 PM
Funny story about Lou and his coach driving over and ending up near the PA state line before they realize that they missed that turn back around Toledo. :lol:

It just reinforces the idea that the Chubbies have always been headed in the wrong direction. :p:

Rem

_Sir_Charles_
09-05-2008, 09:23 PM
This is when Bronson gets in trouble. 4 straight curveballs to Lee. He HAS to change his stuff more often to be successful.

remdog
09-05-2008, 09:24 PM
Nice camera work on that ball hit by Lee. You could clearly see the ball skip/skid off the top of bag.

Rem

_Sir_Charles_
09-05-2008, 09:35 PM
Keppinger starting to look like Keppinger again. He's looked like a totally different player/hitter since that injury. I'd like to see him get fully back on track for the rest of the season. I don't think he's a starter...but he's a solid player and contributor.

_Sir_Charles_
09-05-2008, 09:36 PM
Brandon with a seeing-eye double down the rightfield line. Kepp to 3rd.

Votto intentionally walked to load them up for Edwin.

remdog
09-05-2008, 09:36 PM
Keppinger starting to look like Keppinger again. He's looked like a totally different player/hitter since that injury. I'd like to see him get fully back on track for the rest of the season. I don't think he's a starter...but he's a solid player and contributor.

Agree with that completely.

Rem

_Sir_Charles_
09-05-2008, 09:39 PM
LOL. What in the world was Edwin doing swinging at THAT pitch?!? Hehehe.

After fouling a ball off that was above his head, Edwin pops out down the line and everyone holds. Bruce up.

_Sir_Charles_
09-05-2008, 09:41 PM
Bruuuuuuuuuce! Granny!!!!! WOOHOO!! 9-0 Reds!

This team is NOT as bad as everyone thinks it is. We've just had a lot of players struggling/slumping/injured for extended periods this season. We do need some additions without a dobut, but we're not as far away as people think.

remdog
09-05-2008, 09:41 PM
That's a grand salami, mommy!

Rem

OnBaseMachine
09-05-2008, 09:45 PM
Bruce is a stud. I had a good feeling he was going to hit a grand slam right there. That was just a beautiful piece of hitting. That ball was down and away and he went with the pitch and crushed it deep into the left field seats.

Matt700wlw
09-05-2008, 09:45 PM
The Cubs demise is on......:evil:

_Sir_Charles_
09-05-2008, 09:47 PM
6 k's for Bronson, no walks, no runs, only 3 hits (all infield varieties). Sharp. VERY sharp.


~edit~ Crap. My bad. As soon as I say it...Soriano walks.

remdog
09-05-2008, 09:48 PM
I'm likin' this game! Couldn't have come against a more despised team.

Hopefully the Reds can continue this and send the Chubs home with three losses this weekend.

Rem

OnBaseMachine
09-05-2008, 09:49 PM
Five shutout innings by Arroyo. 9-0 Reds after 4 1/2.

Matt700wlw
09-05-2008, 09:50 PM
Bruuuuuuuuuce! Granny!!!!! WOOHOO!! 9-0 Reds!

This team is NOT as bad as everyone thinks it is. We've just had a lot of players struggling/slumping/injured for extended periods this season. We do need some additions without a dobut, but we're not as far away as people think.

We hear that a lot....year in and year out. Time to prove it

edabbs44
09-05-2008, 09:52 PM
The Dickerson train keeps on a rollin. Linedrive single.

Patterson, Hairston, Dickerson. What do they all have in common besides their last names ending in "on"?

They all filled the roll of the new leadoff guy that could do no wrong for a brief period.

Next year they need to have about 10-12 of these guys who become the new leadoff hitter every two weeks.

Matt700wlw
09-05-2008, 09:54 PM
Corey did plenty of wrong for an extended period

_Sir_Charles_
09-05-2008, 09:56 PM
Patterson, Hairston, Dickerson. What do they all have in common besides their last names ending in "on"?

They all filled the roll of the new leadoff guy that could do no wrong for a brief period.

Next year they need to have about 10-12 of these guys who become the new leadoff hitter every two weeks.

Okay, that's what they all have in COMMON...what do they do differently? Patterson is all glove no stick. Hairston is average at both but extremely injury prone. Dickerson has a WELL above average glove, speed and his stick has been extremely solid ALL year long...not just since the call up. Dickerson has a MUCH better chance of being the real deal than either of the other two. And on the plus side...he costs us VERY little money for a while. If nothing else, he buys us time without costing us defense or speed.

lollipopcurve
09-05-2008, 10:00 PM
They all filled the roll of the new leadoff guy that could do no wrong for a brief period.

Hairston played very well, and Dickerson has played very well. Gotta problem with their performances?

OnBaseMachine
09-05-2008, 10:02 PM
Can we at least wait until Dickerson's OPS drops below 1.100 before we start bashing him?

Ltlabner
09-05-2008, 10:04 PM
Can we at least wait until Dickerson's OPS drops below 1.100 before we start bashing him?

No.

It has been declared he sucks. There shall be no enjoyment of his good play of late.

Get with the program.

HokieRed
09-05-2008, 10:06 PM
There's a lot to be done with this team but we do have two fine young everyday players, Votto and Bruce. And let's keep hoping we've got a third, CD.

OnBaseMachine
09-05-2008, 10:07 PM
Arroyo throws a 1-2-3 6th inning.

6 IP, 3 H, 0 R, 1 BB, 6 K, 107 pitches.

That should be it for Bronson. Another excellent start against a very tough offense. That brings his ERA down to 4.80 - not bad considering where it was on June 25th.

_Sir_Charles_
09-05-2008, 10:07 PM
107 thru 6 for Bronson. With all his sitting tonight due to our unexpected offensive outbursts plus the field conditions...I'd say this should be it for Bronson. We've got some pretty fresh arms in the pen, no point pushing Bronson with a 9-0 lead.

OnBaseMachine
09-05-2008, 10:08 PM
No.

It has been declared he sucks. There shall be no enjoyment of his good play of late.

Get with the program.

Some folks aren't evem giving him a chance. We know he isn't this good, nobody is, but let's enjoy it for now.

PuffyPig
09-05-2008, 10:11 PM
Patterson, Hairston, Dickerson. What do they all have in common besides their last names ending in "on"?

They all filled the roll of the new leadoff guy that could do no wrong for a brief period.




Hairston never stopped hitting, derailed by injuries.

Dickerson hasn't stopped hitting either.

Patterson never really started hitting, other than a few well timed HR's.

2 apples, 1 orange.

_Sir_Charles_
09-05-2008, 10:11 PM
Votto continues to impress. Double. 2 for 2, 2 walks, 3 rbi's tonight. :O)

OnBaseMachine
09-05-2008, 10:12 PM
Votto doubles. Man is he on fire right now or what? He's 2-for-2 with a double, homerun, two walks, and 3 RBI tonight. Any other year and Votto may have won the Rookie of the Year.

_Sir_Charles_
09-05-2008, 10:14 PM
Hmmm...Bronson out for the 7th. Not a big problem with this, but I'd keep him on a short leash and get somebody up.

OnBaseMachine
09-05-2008, 10:16 PM
107 pitches in six innings and he sends him back out there. Why am I not surprised?

That was strike three on Edmonds. He got squeezed there.

lollipopcurve
09-05-2008, 10:17 PM
well, there goes Arroyo's shutout. Guess Dusty can pull him now!

dougdirt
09-05-2008, 10:17 PM
Dusty..... why?

_Sir_Charles_
09-05-2008, 10:17 PM
Double scores Edmonds. Captain hook? *looks around*

OnBaseMachine
09-05-2008, 10:17 PM
A walk to Edmonds and a RBI double by Koyie Hill makes it 9-1. Thanks Dusty. Way to ruin a brilliant start by continuing to have no clue when to pull a pitcher. The Reds aren't going to have any pitching left after Dusty runs them all in the ground.

OnBaseMachine
09-05-2008, 10:21 PM
Now he pulls him. 122 pitches in 6.1 innings. I can't stand Dusty Baker.

lollipopcurve
09-05-2008, 10:21 PM
bad job by Baker again, rolling a guy up to 120 pitches with a 9 run lead

at the very least they should have a 6-man rotation going so these starters are getting an extra day, but that won't happen

_Sir_Charles_
09-05-2008, 10:22 PM
122 pitches for Bronson. You can tell he's done. Great outing by Arroyo. Really nice to see him do a complete 180 this season. A lot of pitchers who've struggled as badly as Bronson did would've mentally packed it in. Nice to see some pride out of a veteran in a lost season.

mbgrayson
09-05-2008, 10:22 PM
Arroyo out with one out, runner on second is his. 9-1 Reds.

Bronson threw 122 pitches tonight....we will see how he does next time out.

OnBaseMachine
09-05-2008, 10:23 PM
I'm serious when I say this: I would rather have Bob Boone or Dave Miley as manager over Dusty Baker

PuffyPig
09-05-2008, 10:24 PM
A walk to Edmonds and a RBI double by Koyie Hill makes it 9-1. Thanks Dusty. Way to ruin a brilliant start by continuing to have no clue when to pull a pitcher.

While I agree he should have been pulled after 6, I wouldn't go so far as to say that Arroyo's brilliant start ws ruined.

And while 120 pitches is a lot, they were mostly stress free, given the Reds scoring early and often. That makes a big difference in assessing stress on the arm. Arroyo was throwing free and easy.

Still there's no reason to send him out for the 7th inning.

_Sir_Charles_
09-05-2008, 10:24 PM
Now he pulls him. 122 pitches in 6.1 innings. I can't stand Dusty Baker.

Now come on...120 is not really that bad of a thing...especially for a pitcher like Arroyo. I personally would've preferred he pulled him before this inning or after the lead off walk. Did he leave him in too long...yes, but not by much and it's far from abusing a pitcher.

Degenerate39
09-05-2008, 10:24 PM
Even with an 8 run lead I don't feel comfortable with Majewski pitching.

Ltlabner
09-05-2008, 10:25 PM
Dusty was prepared to let him go to 200 pitches to get Bronson the complete game.

Hank said it's important for pitchers to throw complete games "for their confidence".

Red in Chicago
09-05-2008, 10:26 PM
Even with an 8 run lead I don't feel comfortable with Majewski pitching.

whenever majic comes into a game, i suddenly lose interest, no matter what the score...

WVRedsFan
09-05-2008, 10:26 PM
I'm serious when I say this: I would rather have Bob Boone or Dave Miley as manager over Dusty Baker

Bite your tongue...:)

Ltlabner
09-05-2008, 10:27 PM
I'm serious when I say this: I would rather have Bob Boone or Dave Miley as manager over Dusty Baker

Let's not get rash.

PuffyPig
09-05-2008, 10:28 PM
122 pitches for Bronson. You can tell he's done. Great outing by Arroyo. Really nice to see him do a complete 180 this season. A lot of pitchers who've struggled as badly as Bronson did would've mentally packed it in. Nice to see some pride out of a veteran in a lost season.

FWIW, the stats (K's, W's and HR's allowed) suggest that Arroyo isn't doing anything different now other than getting better BABIP luck.

He's basically had the same DIPS ERA for three years now, and while his actual ERA has dropped dramatically as the year has worn on, his DIPS ERA has remained pretty consistent all year. Which, if you believe in DIPS, was likely to happen.

AmarilloRed
09-05-2008, 10:28 PM
Are there no better options in the pen than Majewski?

Degenerate39
09-05-2008, 10:31 PM
Get this guy out of the organization.

OnBaseMachine
09-05-2008, 10:31 PM
How in the world does Gary Majewski still have a spot on this roster?

Red in Chicago
09-05-2008, 10:33 PM
How in the world does Gary Majewski still have a spot on this roster?

add bako and patterson to that list

_Sir_Charles_
09-05-2008, 10:33 PM
FWIW, the stats (K's, W's and HR's allowed) suggest that Arroyo isn't doing anything different now other than getting better BABIP luck.

He's basically had the same DIPS ERA for three years now, and while his actual ERA has dropped dramatically as the year has worn on, his DIPS ERA has remained pretty consistent all year. Which, if you believe in DIPS, was likely to happen.

Oh, I agree completely. He's had some VERY bad luck this season in terms of lucky hits, poor defense, etc. But that sort of thing drags you down mentally and that's what I was referring to. I saw the same sort of thing with Harang in the first half of the season...and Aaron has responded differently than Bronson. Sure, part of it is probably due to the injury...but I haven't seen any anger, fire or desire from Aaron (not that it surprises me)...but when you struggle that badly, you'd kind of like to see some sort of emotion. Bronson has just fought through it and really pushed himself. I find it even nicer to see from a vet. It's pretty easy for a veteran to pack it in once the season is basically lost.

_Sir_Charles_
09-05-2008, 10:34 PM
How in the world does Gary Majewski still have a spot on this roster?

Simple. Louisville is still rockin' in the playoffs. 19-3 win yesterday. Yes, that read NINETEEN. :O) Once their season is done, I think we'll see some changes. Until then...we bide our time.

AmarilloRed
09-05-2008, 10:35 PM
How in the world does Gary Majewski still have a spot on this roster?

Just a guess: Any of the pitchers from Louisville who could conceivably take his place on the roster are in the Louisville playoffs. I certainly hope he will be released after we can bring up the September callups.

_Sir_Charles_
09-05-2008, 10:36 PM
[Judge Smails]Oh, Billy, Billy, Billy, Billy[/Smails]

Bray mops up Majiks' mess.

OnBaseMachine
09-05-2008, 10:37 PM
add bako and patterson to that list

And Fogg.

Ltlabner
09-05-2008, 10:38 PM
I posted this in chat, but why am I so tormented by the Reds that even with an 8 run lead, I'm fealing like we are going to screw this up?

OnBaseMachine
09-05-2008, 10:39 PM
Bruce smokes a double. Great night for him: 2-for-3 with a double, grand slam, walk, and 4 RBI.

_Sir_Charles_
09-05-2008, 10:40 PM
And Fogg.

And A.Phillips, Cabrera, Valentine & Weathers. I can't see any of them having a future with this club.

Red in Chicago
09-05-2008, 10:41 PM
I posted this in chat, but why am I so tormented by the Reds that even with an 8 run lead, I'm fealing like we are going to screw this up?

oh yes, who could forget that cardinal comeback a few years ago:thumbdown

OnBaseMachine
09-05-2008, 10:41 PM
Jolbert Cabrera pops out on a 3-0 pitch. Why in the world is Jolbert Cabrera swinging on 3-0?

_Sir_Charles_
09-05-2008, 10:42 PM
It was 2-1.

corkedbat
09-05-2008, 10:42 PM
Now he pulls him. 122 pitches in 6.1 innings. I can't stand Dusty Baker.

I'm resigned to the fact that Dusty will manage next year - if foe no other reason - the money he's owed. I would find a "pitching czar though and turn the staff over to him. The first thing I would do is hand him a bat with orders to club Dusty like a baby seal if he so much as says Hi to anyone on the staff.

OnBaseMachine
09-05-2008, 10:43 PM
I missed the first pitch but FSN showed the count as 3-0. That's what I get for trusting FSN.

Red in Chicago
09-05-2008, 10:44 PM
I'm sesigned to the fact that Dusty will manage next year - if foe no other reason - the money he's owed. I would find a "pitching czar though and turn the staff over to him. The first thing I would do is hand him a bat with orders to club Dusty like a baby seal if he so much as says Hi to anyone on the staff.

that made me laugh out loud:D

_Sir_Charles_
09-05-2008, 10:45 PM
that made me laugh out loud:D

Yep, clubbing baby seals is always good for a laugh. :O) Just kidding. *grin*

Red in Chicago
09-05-2008, 10:46 PM
ok, reds have scored 10 runs so far...i think that means we can pretty much rest assured, that the bats will be awol the rest of the series...i feel sorry for cueto tomorrow...

_Sir_Charles_
09-05-2008, 10:46 PM
Hanigan with an RBI scoring Bruce. I've been VERY impressed by Ryan this season. I'd really like to see him get a solid shot at the starting job next season.

Red in Chicago
09-05-2008, 10:48 PM
is there an uglier swing in baseball than corey's?

corkedbat
09-05-2008, 10:48 PM
Yep, clubbing baby seals is always good for a laugh. :O) Just kidding. *grin*


***Disclaimer*** No baby seals were actually harmed in the composition of my previous post. :D

Degenerate39
09-05-2008, 10:49 PM
Corey getting the boo's

Razor Shines
09-05-2008, 10:51 PM
So according to George there are players that look forward to going back down to Louisville because of the attitude and the way they play down there?........Like who?

_Sir_Charles_
09-05-2008, 10:51 PM
Dickerson continues to impress me with his ability to go deep into counts. I still think he'll have a problem with strikeouts, but he looks to have a very good eye.

_Sir_Charles_
09-05-2008, 10:51 PM
***Disclaimer*** No baby seals were harmed in the composition of my previous post. :D

Okay, now that made ME laugh out loud. :O)

BCubb2003
09-05-2008, 10:52 PM
Yep, clubbing baby seals is always good for a laugh. :O) Just kidding. *grin*

Clubbing baby bears is more fun.

_Sir_Charles_
09-05-2008, 10:53 PM
Clubbing baby bears is more fun.

*laughs* I can see this thread taking a very quick turn for the worse. :O)

Degenerate39
09-05-2008, 10:55 PM
Grande will defend Dusty till the end

_Sir_Charles_
09-05-2008, 10:55 PM
Patterson stays in the game as usual as the CF'er. Why can't Dusty put him in there in LF for Cabrera? I think it's much more important for us to see what Dickerson can do in center than what Corey can do in center.

flyer85
09-05-2008, 10:56 PM
CW ripping on Baker for double switching Patterson in the game.

dougdirt
09-05-2008, 10:57 PM
Why did Dickerson move to LF?!

OnBaseMachine
09-05-2008, 10:57 PM
The Cubs have four infield singles tonight.

_Sir_Charles_
09-05-2008, 10:57 PM
CW ripping on Baker for double switching Patterson in the game.

Nah, I"ve got no problem with putting him in for defensive purposes late in the game. I'd just prefer that they put him in left so we can see Chris in center for longer. Everytime Dusty double-switches Corey into the game, it's always to center and bumping Chris to left. I'd like to see a change to that.

Tony Cloninger
09-05-2008, 10:59 PM
Did George defend him by calling him the Corkster?

_Sir_Charles_
09-05-2008, 11:02 PM
*sigh* Another fielding flub by Bruce. Affeldt repeatedly gets into trouble by not changing speeds. 6 straight FB's between 93-95 to Hill (10 straight if you go back to previous hitters). You're just asking to get beat when you do that. I don't care HOW fast your heater is, if that's all you throw...the hitters WILL get the timing down on you.

OnBaseMachine
09-05-2008, 11:07 PM
Dang. Votto hits another homerun but it slices foul.

_Sir_Charles_
09-05-2008, 11:08 PM
Man, I thought Votto had another one. Foul ball though.

Votto ends up striking out. 3 up, 3 down. Still, a great game for Joey. 2-3, 2 walks, 2 runs, 3 rbis, double & HR. Anybody know what he's hitting in the second half? It's got to be pretty tremendous.

Tony Cloninger
09-05-2008, 11:12 PM
I don;t think his hot streak started until around the middle of AUG....his power was also down until recently. Good to see him finishing strong.

_Sir_Charles_
09-05-2008, 11:13 PM
Yeah, I just looked. Since he's come back from after his dad passed...he's been a terror.

AmarilloRed
09-05-2008, 11:14 PM
Man, I thought Votto had another one. Foul ball though.

Votto ends up striking out. 3 up, 3 down. Still, a great game for Joey. 2-3, 2 walks, 2 runs, 3 rbis, double & HR. Anybody know what he's hitting in the second half? It's got to be pretty tremendous.

He has a .328 BA, .383 OBP, .489 SLG. in 137 ABs after the All-Star Break.

guttle11
09-05-2008, 11:16 PM
You know, these kids are alright.

_Sir_Charles_
09-05-2008, 11:17 PM
And this one belongs to the Reds.

A really great game overall. With the exception of the 2 Bruce flubs and Majik....great game.

corkedbat
09-05-2008, 11:25 PM
Sesente y Uno has spoken LMAO!!!

Spring~Fields
09-05-2008, 11:28 PM
Final 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 R H E
Chi Cubs 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 1 0 2 6 1
Cincinnati 2 3 0 4 0 0 1 0 X 10 10 2


Scoring Summary
Bot 1st: Cincinnati
- J. Votto homered to deep right, B. Phillips scored


Bot 2nd: Cincinnati
- J. Keppinger doubled to deep left center, R. Hanigan scored, C. Dickerson to third

- J. Votto walked, C. Dickerson scored, J. Keppinger to third, B. Phillips to second

- E. Encarnacion hit sacrifice fly to left, J. Keppinger scored


Bot 4th: Cincinnati
- J. Bruce homered to deep left, B. Phillips, J. Keppinger and J. Votto scored


Top 7th: Chi Cubs
- K. Hill doubled to deep left center, J. Edmonds scored


Bot 7th: Cincinnati
- R. Hanigan singled to center, J. Bruce scored


Top 8th: Chi Cubs
- K. Hill singled to right, M. Fontenot scored on right fielder J. Bruce's fielding error

Batting Cincinnati
2B - J Keppinger (20, T Lilly); B Phillips (24, J Lieber); J Votto (25, A Guzman); J Bruce (14, K Hart).

HR - J Votto (18, 1st inning off T Lilly 1 on, 2 Out), J Bruce (16, 4th inning off J Lieber 3 on, 2 Out).

S - B Arroyo.

SF - E Encarnacion.

RBI - J Votto 3 (70), J Keppinger (36), E Encarnacion (60), J Bruce 4 (46), R Hanigan (8).

2-out RBI - J Votto 2, J Bruce 4.

Runners left in scoring position, 2 out - E Encarnacion 1, J Bruce 1, J Cabrera 1.

GIDP - R Hanigan.

Team LOB - 6.

Fielding
E - J Bruce 2 (9, bobble, fly ball).

Batting Chicago
2B - K Hill (1, B Arroyo).

RBI - K Hill (1).

Runners left in scoring position, 2 out - D Ward 2, R Theriot 1, G Soto 1.

Team LOB - 9.

Fielding
E - A Ramirez (17, ground ball).

DP - 1 (R Theriot-M DeRosa-D Lee).

Pitching


T. Lilly 2.0 4 5 5 3 1 1 4.43 (L, 13-9)
J. Lieber 2.0 3 4 4 1 1 1 4.05
A. Guzman 2.0 1 0 0 0 1 0 0.00
K. Hart 1.0 2 1 1 0 2 0 7.97
B. Howry 1.0 0 0 0 0 1 0 5.54

Cincinnati
B. Arroyo 6.1 4 1 1 2 6 0 4.84 (W, 14-10)
G. Majewski 0.1 0 0 0 2 0 0 5.40
B. Bray 0.1 0 0 0 0 1 0 2.86
J. Affeldt 2.0 2 1 0 0 3 0 3.61


WP - B Arroyo.

IBB - B Phillips (by T Lilly), J Votto (by J Lieber).

HBP - C Dickerson (by T Lilly); J Cabrera (by J Lieber).

Pitches-strikes - T Lilly 42-23; J Lieber 32-20; A Guzman 23-15; K Hart 26-15; B Howry 9-6; B Arroyo 122-73; G Majewski 17-7; B Bray 4-3; J Affeldt 36-27.

Ground balls-fly balls - T Lilly 2-3; J Lieber 3-2; A Guzman 2-3; K Hart 0-1; B Howry 1-1; B Arroyo 4-9; G Majewski 0-1; B Bray 0-0; J Affeldt 1-2.

Batters faced - T Lilly 15; J Lieber 10; A Guzman 7; K Hart 5; B Howry 3; B Arroyo 26; G Majewski 3; B Bray 1; J Affeldt 8.


Time: 2:52. (Plus wet grounds delay totaling 19 minutes in the 1st).
Attendance: 31,213

edabbs44
09-05-2008, 11:39 PM
Hairston played very well, and Dickerson has played very well. Gotta problem with their performances?

Not at all. They've both performed well in limited ABs.

Matt700wlw
09-06-2008, 03:58 AM
Diggin' the kids....I think Joey Votto is going to be an absolute STUD.....maybe moreso than Bruce, who I think is going to put up great numbers as well. Volquez...well, he's looking like a TRUE ace in my book, and i've been a fencer on the trade all season..Cueto has worked himself a lot of valuable experience, and can be a dominant pitcher....Im excited about the young spark in Cincinnati...a foundation appears to be set. Jocketty has to build the house now.... The tools are there, and so is the GM

_Sir_Charles_
09-06-2008, 11:55 AM
Diggin' the kids....I think Joey Votto is going to be an absolute STUD.....maybe moreso than Bruce, who I think is going to put up great numbers as well. Volquez...well, he's looking like a TRUE ace in my book, and i've been a fencer on the trade all season..Cueto has worked himself a lot of valuable experience, and can be a dominant pitcher....Im excited about the young spark in Cincinnati...a foundation appears to be set. Jocketty has to build the house now.... The tools are there, and so is the GM

I can't agree more. I'm right there with you Matt. Another great thing to see is the fact that we've got a solid pipeline of additional talent coming up through the ranks as well. I haven't EVER seen this much solid talent up and down the levels in the minors that we've currently got. Trying to find positions for all these young kids...now that's a new problem I'm thrilled to have. :O)