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WVRed
09-07-2008, 01:24 PM
Two abysmal offensive drives. First one has the Bengals in field goal range and Palmer is sacked twice to force them back. The other leads to an interception after uber-conservative play calling by Bratkowski.

The defense has been the lone bright spot so far.

Same old Bengals.

Michael Young
09-07-2008, 01:29 PM
The defense has been the lone bright spot so far.

lol

Michael Young
09-07-2008, 01:30 PM
y do i watch the bengals???

Michael Young
09-07-2008, 01:50 PM
bengals have 3 passing yards

remdog
09-07-2008, 01:55 PM
Watching the Bengals will leave you talking to yourself.

Rem

dsmith421
09-07-2008, 02:00 PM
Bratkowski copied his playbook from Tecmo Bowl. What a complete freaking failure of a coach.

Playadlc
09-07-2008, 02:01 PM
Bratkowski copied his playbook from Tecmo Bowl. What a complete freaking failure of a coach.

Hard to call much of anything when you have an O-line as bad as this. Carson Palmer has not had decent protection one time this game.

This offensive line is a joke.

Michael Young
09-07-2008, 02:02 PM
the oline is finally as bad as teh rest of the team

Matt700wlw
09-07-2008, 02:08 PM
Pathetic.

remdog
09-07-2008, 02:12 PM
Larson is punting well. Might lead the league this year. :eek:

Rem

Playadlc
09-07-2008, 02:22 PM
Anyone else just feel like crying?

WVRed
09-07-2008, 02:27 PM
Watching the Bengals will leave you talking to yourself.

Rem

I had a business professor who taught Business Communcations who put it best. Always set your standards low. That way you will never be disappointed.

I apply that concept to the Cincinnati Bengals.

I honestly thought last offseason Bratkowski needed to go in addition to Bresnahan, and in addition they needed to start housecleaning with Chad being the first to go.

Now I will go as far to say all the above needs to happen, plus Marvin needs to go as well. They need to blow as much of the team up as possible and rebuild the joke that is called the Bengals offensive line. This is absolutely pathetic.

MWM
09-07-2008, 02:29 PM
This is a 3-13 team. Just an embarassment.

I can't believe the contempt I have for Mike Brown. The Bengals are the only team I've ever followed that I've considered just giving them up. If I thouht it was possible I would. I just don't think they're ever going to be good outside those one year flashes in the pants as long as Mike Brown is in charge.

dsmith421
09-07-2008, 02:30 PM
3rd and 7, time running out, no chance of a running play, and Bratkowski calls a play-action roll-out 3-yard out to Ben Utecht. What an absolute joke.

10-3 at halftime is robbery.

Reds Freak
09-07-2008, 02:32 PM
Over/under on how many games it takes before Carson is injured, maimed, disfigured, or mutilated?

remdog
09-07-2008, 02:35 PM
This is a 3-13 team. Just an embarassment.

I can't believe the contempt I have for Mike Brown. The Bengals are the only team I've ever followed that I've considered just giving them up. If I thouht it was possible I would. I just don't think they're ever going to be good outside those one year flashes in the pants as long as Mike Brown is in charge.

I have to agree with much of that. Honestly, for a team to be this bad for so long it's far, far outside the relm of normal possibility---a blind hog and all of that....

You really have to wonder if Mike Brown wasn't left on Paul Brown's doorstep in the middle of the night because for a father to be so brilliant and a son to be so stupid....well, there are no odds to describe this particular situation.

The City of Cinncinnati should declare eminent domain and take the team away from this inept, inbread buch of idiots.

Rem

guttle11
09-07-2008, 02:35 PM
It's all in the o line.

joshnky
09-07-2008, 02:38 PM
Its amazing the parallels between the Reds and Bengals. At one time both teams had all-world offenses and tried to outscore their opponents. Now that the pitching and defense(for Bengals) has seemingly improved the offense is gone.

Degenerate39
09-07-2008, 02:40 PM
Between the Bengals and the Reds I'm going to go crazy

Matt700wlw
09-07-2008, 02:41 PM
I'm going to drink a lot this fall/winter...

Michael Young
09-07-2008, 02:41 PM
which org is worse off?

CTA513
09-07-2008, 02:41 PM
About the only positive thing is that the O-Line blocked better on that last drive.

MWM
09-07-2008, 02:42 PM
The sad thing is the Ravens are one the worst teams in the league this year, IMO. I think they're a 5-12 to 6-10 team.

Reds Freak
09-07-2008, 02:43 PM
Its amazing the parallels between the Reds and Bengals. At one time both teams had all-world offenses and tried to outscore their opponents. Now that the pitching and defense(for Bengals) has seemingly improved the offense is gone.

I've said in the preseason the defense will not be the problem with this team. They aren't good, but they don't suck that bad anymore. This offense has been disappointing since the playoff year in 2005. And it all had to do with the offensive line. Carson is unstoppable if he gets time. Braham retired in 2006, they let Steinbach walk in 2007, and Willie gets old in 2008 and look at them now..

remdog
09-07-2008, 02:44 PM
The sad thing is the Ravens are one the worst teams in the league this year, IMO. I think they're a 5-12 to 6-10 team.

I wish I had any confidence that the Bengals would be that good. (sigh)

Rem

dsmith421
09-07-2008, 02:45 PM
which org is worse off?

The Reds have an owner that deeply burns to win, and who has manifested that desire by authorizing various expensive moves. He has also gone out of his way to hire a top-quality general manager with a history of success.

The Bengals have Mike Brown, his buddies, and his kids.

You make the call.

WVRed
09-07-2008, 02:45 PM
The sad thing is the Ravens are one the worst teams in the league this year, IMO. I think they're a 5-12 to 6-10 team.

Before todays "titanic struggle", I figured the Ravens would be a 3-13 team while the Bengals may have went 6-10 or 7-9.

I'm flip-flopping the two now.

Matt700wlw
09-07-2008, 02:45 PM
84 yards in the first half.....that's TOTAL yards.

WVRed
09-07-2008, 02:50 PM
I've said in the preseason the defense will not be the problem with this team. They aren't good, but they don't suck that bad anymore. This offense has been disappointing since the playoff year in 2005. And it all had to do with the offensive line. Carson is unstoppable if he gets time. Braham retired in 2006, they let Steinbach walk in 2007, and Willie gets old in 2008 and look at them now..

Yep, and they drafted Ghiachuic, Whitworth, and Stacy Andrews to take the place.

Stacy Andrews is a guard playing tackle. Whitworth could be decent, but im not entirely sold on Ghiachuic.

I'm hoping we finish high enough to get Michael Oher. Am I allowed to dream?

MWM
09-07-2008, 02:52 PM
I wish I had any confidence that the Bengals would be that good. (sigh)

Rem

Me, too. At least we can now get back to the Bengals fan annual tradition of wondering who they're going to take with one of the top 2 picks. That used to be the best part of following this team. This feels like home.

remdog
09-07-2008, 02:55 PM
Am I allowed to dream?

If ya' like nightmares. :(

Rem

MWM
09-07-2008, 02:56 PM
Yep, and they drafted Ghiachuic, Whitworth, and Stacy Andrews to take the place.

Stacy Andrews is a guard playing tackle. Whitworth could be decent, but im not entirely sold on Ghiachuic.

I'm hoping we finish high enough to get Michael Oher. Am I allowed to dream?

Nah, if they havea high draft pick, I can almost guranatee you they'll wind up taking Michael Crabtree or Knowshon Moreno or Luranitis or something like that.

GAC
09-07-2008, 03:00 PM
I can't believe Marvin had to waste a review flag on that OBVIOUS inc pass? My God refs on the field! Geez!

Michael Young
09-07-2008, 03:15 PM
delay of game lol

HumnHilghtFreel
09-07-2008, 03:17 PM
I haven't been watching the game very long, but it's obvious that the Bengals O-line is not good at all. On damn near every play I've seen, Palmer has a man in his face or is forced out of the pocket.

MWM
09-07-2008, 03:17 PM
Amazing after last year that they could still be having delay of game penalties. You just have to laugh at how poor this organization is at every level.

Michael Young
09-07-2008, 03:18 PM
shovel pass ughhh

MWM
09-07-2008, 03:18 PM
I love Carson Palmer and feel bad for him that he's having to play in Cincinnati. I really wish they'd trade him and let him go somewhere else. If I were a team like Chicago or Minnesota, I'd pay the king's ransom for Palmer.

Playadlc
09-07-2008, 03:18 PM
Can someone please tell me what the **** Andrew Whitworth was doing on that shovel pass?

WVRed
09-07-2008, 03:23 PM
I love Carson Palmer and feel bad for him that he's having to play in Cincinnati. I really wish they'd trade him and let him go somewhere else. If I were a team like Chicago or Minnesota, I'd pay the king's ransom for Palmer.

I'm really starting to wonder if he has lost confidence since the injury in the playoffs against Pittsburgh. It just seems like mentally he hasn't been the same QB.

If he is calling the plays at the line of scrimmage, it needs to be taken away from him.

If Bratkowski is calling the plays, he needs to be fired. Either way, something needs to be done.

guttle11
09-07-2008, 03:24 PM
Can someone please tell me what the **** Andrew Whitworth was doing on that shovel pass?

You saw it, too? He looker right at the guy and turned away. Refused to block him.

The Bengals would be a decent team with an offensive line.

MWM
09-07-2008, 03:24 PM
I'm really starting to wonder if he has lost confidence since the injury in the playoffs against Pittsburgh. It just seems like mentally he hasn't been the same QB.

If he is calling the plays at the line of scrimmage, it needs to be taken away from him.

If Bratkowski is calling the plays, he needs to be fired. Either way, something needs to be done.

Nah, it's a bad line with a bad schemeon a bad team. Put Carson on a competent team and he's the 3rd best QB in the game, IMO.

Michael Young
09-07-2008, 03:24 PM
omg

Playadlc
09-07-2008, 03:25 PM
Joe Flacco just went 40 yards for a touchdown.

Every single coach in this organization needs to be fired.

dsmith421
09-07-2008, 03:25 PM
Happy days are here again. This team is just as bad as the Shula/Coslet years. The difference is that these teams have talent but are so abysmally coached that they are just as horrendous.

Michael Young
09-07-2008, 03:25 PM
what has this team been doing the past 2 months????? not practicing

MWM
09-07-2008, 03:28 PM
bwahahahahahaha

Playadlc
09-07-2008, 03:30 PM
It's Ryan Fitzpatrick time and I am dead serious. The Bengals need someone that can actually move around in the pocket and as bad as Palmer's protection has been, his throws have been equally as horrible.

Matt700wlw
09-07-2008, 03:30 PM
Mike Brown really is an evil genius. Makes millions and millions of dollars on a horse crap product.

Reds Freak
09-07-2008, 03:31 PM
It's Ryan Fitzpatrick time and I am dead serious. The Bengals need someone that can actually move around in the pocket and as bad as Palmer's protection has been, his throws have been equally as horrible.

Come on now, he's working with zero running game, zero protection, guys bumbling balls on easy catches, guys running bad routes. It has very little to do with Carson..

Michael Young
09-07-2008, 03:33 PM
Mike Brown really is an evil genius. Makes millions and millions of dollars on a horse crap product.

how many consecutive sellouts by the poor saps in cincinnati???

LoganBuck
09-07-2008, 03:33 PM
This is a terrible team. The offense is a befuddled wreck! Is that Alex Madrid at QB?

MWM
09-07-2008, 03:34 PM
Anyone can make money in the NFL. Mike Brown inherited everything he has. Had he had to make anything on his own he would have been a collosal failure. He's incompetent.

Matt700wlw
09-07-2008, 03:34 PM
how many consecutive sellouts by the poor saps in cincinnati???

I'm pretty sure this season already is...I'm not sure that there's a waiting list anymore

Playadlc
09-07-2008, 03:34 PM
Come on now, he's working with zero running game, zero protection, guys bumbling balls on easy catches, guys running bad routes. It has very little to do with Carson..

Probably true. But this line can't block and you couple that with someone who can't move, I say put Fitzpatrick in there and see what happens. Just for the rest of this game.

It doesn't really matter, though.

WVRed
09-07-2008, 03:36 PM
Nah, it's a bad line with a bad schemeon a bad team. Put Carson on a competent team and he's the 3rd best QB in the game, IMO.

I agree with all three, but I also think Palmer's confidence is at an all-time low. If he played for the Bears or Vikings, he possibly could be an all-pro QB, but there would definitely be some wrinkles to smooth out.

Michael Young
09-07-2008, 03:36 PM
cant wait for the marvin press conference where he'll glare at every1 and refuse to answer queswtions

Reds Freak
09-07-2008, 03:37 PM
The thing about it is we can complain about the players, complain about the coaching but in the past 18 years it has been a revolving door of players and coaches and it is the same crap year after year. There are only two constants: the front office led by Mike Brown and Dave Lapham in the radio booth and the latter has very little to do with the play on the field. You want them to fire Marvin? Introducing the next head coach of the Bengals: Bob Bratkowski. Good luck with that..

LoganBuck
09-07-2008, 03:41 PM
They score!

Michael Young
09-07-2008, 03:41 PM
that would be hilarious if the bengals won lol

Playadlc
09-07-2008, 03:42 PM
TD!!!!!!!!!!

Super Bowl here we come!

Watch Cincinnati win this game.

Reds4Life
09-07-2008, 03:42 PM
Well, back in it now, lets hope they can pull this one out.

Matt700wlw
09-07-2008, 03:42 PM
HOLY CRAP!

CTA513
09-07-2008, 03:44 PM
It would be nice to win this and I would think the Ravens would blow up after the game if the Bengals did end up winning this.

Reds4Life
09-07-2008, 03:45 PM
Plenty of time left, and the Ravens already burned all their timeouts.

*Fingers crossed*

Joseph
09-07-2008, 03:45 PM
This is part of why i dislike the NFL so much compared to baseball.

One week down, and I don't think there is anything to indicate this team even could be successful. One game, season over. Wait til next year. Absolutely thats hyperbole to an extent, but its also not far off. This team can't beat one of the worst teams in the league it has no shot against the Steelers or the NFC east teams it'll play later on.

Reds Freak
09-07-2008, 03:46 PM
I think the only question left in this game is what will the Bengals do to disappoint. Long drive by the Ravens to end the game, late INT, missed field goal?

LoganBuck
09-07-2008, 03:50 PM
I have kind of liked Frostee Rucker today. The Defensive End play today has been better than anytime in the last decade. Justin Smith got how much money?

Matt700wlw
09-07-2008, 03:51 PM
That was defense.

Play like THAT all the time.

Degenerate39
09-07-2008, 03:53 PM
How does Rivers look?

Playadlc
09-07-2008, 03:55 PM
This has to be a QB sneak. Any other call here is asinine.

guttle11
09-07-2008, 03:55 PM
How does Rivers look?

Alright. Holding his own.

Joseph is playing like a star.

LoganBuck
09-07-2008, 03:57 PM
Why would they go up the gut against the Ravens? Why?

Playadlc
09-07-2008, 03:57 PM
Dumbest team in the NFL. WHO DIDN'T SEE THAT COMING!!!!!!!!

Reds4Life
09-07-2008, 03:57 PM
4 & short and they can't convert. Let's run directly into the line, BRILLIANT!

Ugh.

remdog
09-07-2008, 03:58 PM
Chris Perry has been impressive.

Rem

SteelSD
09-07-2008, 03:58 PM
I think the only question left in this game is what will the Bengals do to disappoint. Long drive by the Ravens to end the game, late INT, missed field goal?

I'd say that stupidly going for it on 4th and 1 with nearly 8 minutes to play while within field goal range would qualify. Ugh.

LoganBuck
09-07-2008, 03:58 PM
Rivers isn't standing out either way. Which tells me he is doing fine.

GAC
09-07-2008, 03:59 PM
Why would they go up the gut against the Ravens? Why?

I don't understand the logic either. You don't have the type of backs, in Watson and Perry, for that. Stupid play calling. Spread'em out.

And I agree with SD - plenty of time to get the ball back. Kick the FG.

guttle11
09-07-2008, 04:00 PM
You have to kick a FG there. Keep the momentum and close the score. Now Baltimore will run the clock out and win.

I'd say fire Marvin, but LOL. Marvin, please quit.

Reds Freak
09-07-2008, 04:01 PM
I don't understand the logic either. You don't have the type of backs, in Watson and Perry, for that. Stupid play calling. Spread'em out.b

Not only that, the offensive line has had NO push all day and Baltimore had about 10 in the box. By the way, with all the pressure today, do the Bengals have a screen play in their playbook?

LoganBuck
09-07-2008, 04:02 PM
I don't understand the logic either. You don't have the type of backs, in Watson and Perry, for that. Stupid play calling. Spread'em out.

And I agree with SD - plenty of time to get the ball back. Kick the FG.

Exactly the successful running today has been outside of the tackles. Kick the field goal, and try to stop them.

CTA513
09-07-2008, 04:03 PM
The Bengals are pretty dumb.
Did they really think they would be able to get that 1st down by rushing against one of the best defenses in the NFL?

LoganBuck
09-07-2008, 04:03 PM
Not only that, the offensive line has had NO push all day and Baltimore had about 10 in the box. By the way, with all the pressure today, do the Bengals have a screen play in their playbook?

You would think a draw would be successful today, but Haloti Nagata might take the handoff and run for six.

Playadlc
09-07-2008, 04:03 PM
This team has no heart. That's the bottom line.

Joseph
09-07-2008, 04:05 PM
This team has no heart. That's the bottom line.

Seems to be a trait of the teams in the Queen City.

Oxilon
09-07-2008, 04:05 PM
Heart has nothing to do with it -- they just suck

CTA513
09-07-2008, 04:06 PM
Game over and the Bengals are going to get whooped when they play a team with a real offense.

Michael Young
09-07-2008, 04:06 PM
how did that joke of an offensive coord keep his job????

Playadlc
09-07-2008, 04:06 PM
Heart has nothing to do with it -- they just suck

Obviously you aren't watching this last drive. Heart has everything to do with it.

Reds Freak
09-07-2008, 04:07 PM
This team has no heart. That's the bottom line.

Don't forget talent, coaching, poise, leadership, brains, management, class, integrity, attitude..

MWM
09-07-2008, 04:08 PM
Meh, at that stage in the game, I would have gone for it. they were on the 26 yard line and even had they kicked the FG and gotten the ball back it would have been 2:00 drill. their best chance to win was to try to tie the game up there. The mistake was handing it off the Perry. He's not the type of RB that's going to get that yard. Give it to Watson or do something creative. Heck, it's looking like they're not getting ball back anyway.

Oxilon
09-07-2008, 04:09 PM
Obviously you aren't watching this last drive. Heart has everything to do with it.

I don't have to watch the last drive. I just have to look at the final box score and see Palmer didn't even throw for over 100 yds. The offensive line is a disaster right no and I really don't see any improvements any time soon.

Reds Freak
09-07-2008, 04:10 PM
If they can't beat a team with a rookie QB, RB, and head coach with a new offensive line and an aging, banged up defense then I see maybe two wins on the rest of this schedule. Baltimore or KC at home and maybe Houston on the road...

GAC
09-07-2008, 04:10 PM
The Bengal's offensive line is gonna make it a lonnnng season for Palmer and these RBs IMO.

Matt700wlw
09-07-2008, 04:10 PM
What a fantastic showing today, boys.

It's going to be a long season.

CTA513
09-07-2008, 04:12 PM
how did that joke of an offensive coord keep his job????

He's still living off the 2005 season.

flyer85
09-07-2008, 04:16 PM
don't worry, henry will save them.

GAC
09-07-2008, 04:17 PM
don't worry, henry will save them.

Is that another Aaron reference Dusty? :p:

Reds Freak
09-07-2008, 04:21 PM
You know something that really pisses me off. Why do the coaches put up with a guy like Dexter Jackson acting like an idiot every time he makes a tackle 15 yards down the field? This team is an absolute laughing stock and has been since Paul Brown passed. The worst part about the whole thing is that I allow myself to get worked up and think things will be different and continue to care and spend money on the poor excuses for professional organizations in this city. Man, I'm in a foul mood...

CTA513
09-07-2008, 04:22 PM
You know something that really pisses me off. Why do the coaches put up with a guy like Dexter Jackson acting like an idiot every time he makes a tackle 15 yards down the field? This team is an absolute laughing stock and has been since Paul Brown passed. The worst part about the whole thing is that I allow myself to get worked up and think things will be different and continue to care and spend money on the poor excuses for professional organizations in this city. Man, I'm in a foul mood...

Dexter Jackson always does that crap and I also don't see how John Thornton still has a job with the Bengals.... or at least how he still starts for them.

KoryMac5
09-07-2008, 04:31 PM
David Shula could put together a better offensive gameplan than this team. Everyone says don't panic after the first game, this team needs to be in full blown panic mode. Brat needs to go and Zampese needs to take over the offense.

Does anyone think that Alexander has anything left if so why not bring him in for a look. TJ-Johnson-Palmer=3pts never ever thought I would see that out of this team.

remdog
09-07-2008, 04:33 PM
Tennis anyone? This season is over.

Rem

Reds4Life
09-07-2008, 04:34 PM
The Bengal's offensive line is gonna make it a lonnnng season for Palmer and these RBs IMO.

He is going to end up getting hurt with the pounding he's getting nearly every game. Where are those guys who said no big deal about the O-line in preseason now?

camisadelgolf
09-07-2008, 04:46 PM
I've defended Bratkowski for a long time. After this game, I won't be doing that anymore.

Yachtzee
09-07-2008, 08:49 PM
This offseason, between the drama surrounding Henry and Thurman, Chad Whino Dorko, and the lack of any real moves to improve areas of need have really worked to greatly decrease my interest in the Bengals and the NFL product. In past seasons I would have been ticked off that the Steelers got the 1:00 CBS slot instead of the Bengals-Ravens, but this year I didn't even care. Rather than get all worked up about the ineptitude of the Bengals, from Mike Brown down to the towel boy, I'd rather follow other sports. Life's too short to get too upset about the Bengals. There's tennis to be served and golf to be played. Or the "other football." Say, did anybody catch the USMNT's soccer match against Cuba? How about that Columbus Crew? They really took NE to the woodshed!

BuckeyeRedleg
09-07-2008, 09:47 PM
As I said last year, letting Steinbach go was a mistake.

Way to go, Marvin and Mikey! Incompetant fools both of them.

5-11, if they are lucky.

CTA513
09-07-2008, 10:13 PM
As I said last year, letting Steinbach go was a mistake.

Way to go, Marvin and Mikey! Incompetant fools both of them.

5-11, if they are lucky.


Losing Braham to injury then retirement was a bigger loss.

WVRed
09-07-2008, 10:28 PM
Meh, at that stage in the game, I would have gone for it. they were on the 26 yard line and even had they kicked the FG and gotten the ball back it would have been 2:00 drill. their best chance to win was to try to tie the game up there. The mistake was handing it off the Perry. He's not the type of RB that's going to get that yard. Give it to Watson or do something creative. Heck, it's looking like they're not getting ball back anyway.

I know Rudi went downhill extremely quick, but the one thing he had was pure power, whereas Perry tries to make defenders miss.

You need the former in a 4th and 1 and everybody in the stadium is expecting run. I would have probably opted for a QB sneak from Palmer, but they already did that earlier in the game.

Doesn't help the offensive line couldn't hold its own anyways.

Roy Tucker
09-08-2008, 12:27 PM
I'd say fire Marvin, but LOL. Marvin, please quit.




I'd make it even odds that he resigns before the end of the season.

I think when Mike Brown re-signed Chris Henry, he not only chopped off Marvin at the knees, he also carved out his heart. And I think that showed in how poorly this team played.

MWM
09-08-2008, 12:49 PM
Yeah, I don't think Brown would fire Marvin, but I don't see Marvin wanting to come back. He's built up enough equity to get him another opportunity at head coaching and I don't think anyone could succeed there in Cincy. I like Marvin and think he could be a good head coach. I don't think there's anyone alive who could find consistent success with Mike Brown making the decisions.

hebroncougar
09-08-2008, 01:21 PM
If Marvin tries to resign, Brown will retain his rights. No way will he let him go anywhere else before his contract is up.

TC81190
09-08-2008, 02:48 PM
I really wish the o line was better for Carson's sake. And so we could see what Dorsey can do (I prefer him to Watson or Perry.)

Oxilon
09-08-2008, 03:19 PM
Following the Bengals is liking watching an episode of Married With Children, except the dysfunction isn't funny rather just really annoying and depressing.

SunDeck
09-08-2008, 03:42 PM
He is going to end up getting hurt with the pounding he's getting nearly every game. Where are those guys who said no big deal about the O-line in preseason now?


Everything revolves around moving people in the direction you need them to go and you don't do that with tailbacks and receivers with gold teeth.
But it is still...um...early, so I'll wait to give up on them until...aw, what the heck, this team is done.

BuckeyeRedleg
09-08-2008, 09:07 PM
Seems like Marvin is getting a free pass from some.

If so, the Bengal head coaching gig would be a pretty decent job. If you win you're a genius, because Mikey's an idiot.

If you lose it's Mikey's fault.

IMO, Marvin deserves a bunch of the blame. I'm not sure there has been one thing he has done real well since he has been here. He's a defensive oriented coach and his defenses have been embarassing to say the least.

remdog
09-08-2008, 09:20 PM
Seems like Marvin is getting a free pass from some.

If so, the Bengal head coaching gig would be a pretty decent job. If you win you're a genius, because Mikey's an idiot.

If you lose it's Mikey's fault.

IMO, Marvin deserves a bunch of the blame. I'm not sure there has been one thing he has done real well since he has been here. He's a defensive oriented coach and his defenses have been embarassing to say the least.


Pretty much agree with that. Marvin may work for an idiot but that doesn't excuse his performance.

Rem

Yachtzee
09-08-2008, 09:22 PM
Seems like Marvin is getting a free pass from some.

If so, the Bengal head coaching gig would be a pretty decent job. If you win you're a genius, because Mikey's an idiot.

If you lose it's Mikey's fault.

IMO, Marvin deserves a bunch of the blame. I'm not sure there has been one thing he has done real well since he has been here. He's a defensive oriented coach and his defenses have been embarassing to say the least.

I think he did a good job of changing the losing attitude that had become ingrained in the Bengals' team culture over the years. Unfortunately, he hasn't been able to get rid of the "me first" culture that went along with it. In the past it seemed that he worked hard to motivate his players to "do their jobs," but now it seems like he's just about given up on the motivational stuff.

MWM
09-08-2008, 09:41 PM
Seems like Marvin is getting a free pass from some.

If so, the Bengal head coaching gig would be a pretty decent job. If you win you're a genius, because Mikey's an idiot.

If you lose it's Mikey's fault.

IMO, Marvin deserves a bunch of the blame. I'm not sure there has been one thing he has done real well since he has been here. He's a defensive oriented coach and his defenses have been embarassing to say the least.

Only problem I have with that thinking is that no coach has won under him other than Marvin in 2005. So I'm not sure the "if you win" really works here as I don't think it's possible to win,which is my point. If any coach had actually won, I might agree with you.

Don't get me wrong, I don't think Marvin is blameless. I just don't think you ca adequately evaluate a coach working under Mike Brown. I don't think Vince Lombardi himself could succeed with Mike Brown making the decisions.

RedEye
09-08-2008, 09:44 PM
I think he did a good job of changing the losing attitude that had become ingrained in the Bengals' team culture over the years. Unfortunately, he hasn't been able to get rid of the "me first" culture that went along with it. In the past it seemed that he worked hard to motivate his players to "do their jobs," but now it seems like he's just about given up on the motivational stuff.

This team needs a frontal lobotomy. Seriously, I think they've just convinced themselves that they can't win. After '05, they had a chance in '06 to follow that up and decisively go to the playoffs. They just couldn't close the deal. Ever since then, it has been this wishy washy "We just didn't execute" and "We just didn't play well" thing, even though we "have the talent." How many times can you say that you could have played better before you start realizing that you are what you are?

MWM
09-08-2008, 11:54 PM
I wasn't able to watch yesterday, but I just saw the replay of the Flacco running TD. Most of the Bengal defensive players were jogging around on that play like they didn't care. It was ridiculous. I'm usually one to focus on talent over attitude, but this is a case where the Bengals clearly need another culture change.

flyer85
09-09-2008, 10:32 AM
I'm usually one to focus on talent over attitude, but this is a case where the Bengals clearly need another culture change.Whatever authority Lewis had with the players, is completely gone after the Henry signing. The players know who isn't in charge and who won't be here after the season.

Marvin was unequivocal in his comments this summer about Henry and his not coming back ... then Mikey Boy cut his legs off with the Henry signing. Must be nice to work for a guy playing with his daddy's business.