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Red in Chicago
09-09-2008, 07:00 PM
someone please post lineup. Thanks

OnBaseMachine
09-09-2008, 08:00 PM
CF Patterson
SS Cabrera
1B Votto
2B Phillips
3B Encarnacion
RF Bruce
LF Castillo
C Hanigan
P Ramirez

Dusty said last night that Dickerson would play today. And why not give Richar or Janish a start at SS?

Matt700wlw
09-09-2008, 08:07 PM
Patterson's .200 average gets him back in the leadoff spot?? Really??

Red in Chicago
09-09-2008, 08:12 PM
Patterson's .200 average gets him back in the leadoff spot?? Really??

matt, in all the years you've been on this site, haven't you learned that batting average isn't important? it's all about getting on base...er, wait, that doesn't justify corey appearance in the lineup either...never mind:p:

RedsManRick
09-09-2008, 08:27 PM
I hate Dusty Baker (as manager of the Reds) with a burning passion. Expanded rosters and he's still running out Patterson and Cabrera at the top of the lineup. I'm prone to exaggeration, but suffice it to say that I am less of a fan of the Reds thanks to the idiocy of that man. He's the managerial equivalent of the toddler who can't have small toys for fear of choking on them.

I mean, Cabrera at SS. Really!? Play Keppinger. Play Janish. Play SOMEBODY who might have a role on this team next year.

Spring~Fields
09-09-2008, 08:33 PM
Is Patterson playing for a spot on this team next year?

Patterson as a leadoff and people wonder why Baker draws RAVE reviews. :)

Spring~Fields
09-09-2008, 08:35 PM
Dusty said last night that Dickerson would play today. And why not give Richar or Janish a start at SS?

Is there anything legitimately wrong with Dickerson or is this another creative method to get other's playing time? Dickerson the CF has not played CF that much for the Reds since being called up.

Spring~Fields
09-09-2008, 08:50 PM
I mean, Cabrera at SS. Really!? Play Keppinger. Play Janish. Play SOMEBODY who might have a role on this team next year.

RMR
He is playing the players "who might have a role on this team next year" :yikes: Patterson, Cabrera, Bako etc.

Red in Chicago
09-09-2008, 09:05 PM
how many home runs for billy hall tonight?

lollipopcurve
09-09-2008, 09:09 PM
how many home runs for billy hall tonight?

Only 1. But a 3-run shot.

He's already had a good defensive play.

OnBaseMachine
09-09-2008, 09:10 PM
Three up three down for the Reds.

WVRedsFan
09-09-2008, 09:17 PM
Can you believe that play?

OnBaseMachine
09-09-2008, 09:17 PM
Ramirez walks Weeks and then balks him to second base. Hardy hits a routine pop up and EdE and Hanigan collide and let it drop for an error. What a defense.

WVRedsFan
09-09-2008, 09:19 PM
Isn't that the second time lately that Edwin has been involved in a play like that? What is wrong?

OnBaseMachine
09-09-2008, 09:20 PM
Braun flies out.

WVRedsFan
09-09-2008, 09:20 PM
Bets on a Fielder HR this at bat?

OnBaseMachine
09-09-2008, 09:21 PM
Bets on a Fielder HR this at bat?

Ramirez has made him look foolish on two straight changeups so far.

OnBaseMachine
09-09-2008, 09:24 PM
The shift NEVER works for the Reds. Fielder hit a soft line drive right where the SS should have been, instead Cabrera is standing behind SS. I've never seen the shift work for the Reds. 1-0 Brewers. There's where the error hurt. If EdE makes that play then Ramirez could have walked Fielder to face the right hander.

lollipopcurve
09-09-2008, 09:24 PM
If Ramirez doesn't start throwing his fast ball for strikes, he's doomed.

lollipopcurve
09-09-2008, 09:25 PM
Every fastball has been up.

Could be a short night for RR. Hope not.

OnBaseMachine
09-09-2008, 09:26 PM
Every fastball has been up.

Could be a short night for RR. Hope not.

Yep. He's not locating his pitches at all tonight.

OnBaseMachine
09-09-2008, 09:29 PM
1-0 Brewers and the bases are loaded with one out. That error has already come back to haunt like they always do. Error plus lack of fastball command tonight is a bad recipe.

OnBaseMachine
09-09-2008, 09:32 PM
Cameron K's swinging on a 92 mph fastball. Should have been the third out.

OnBaseMachine
09-09-2008, 09:32 PM
Hall flies out.

lollipopcurve
09-09-2008, 09:34 PM
that 3-2 pitch to Cameron was impressive -- he'd struggled with the fastball up all inning and comes back to throw one down and on the outside black -- this kid looks like he competes well

OnBaseMachine
09-09-2008, 09:38 PM
3-1 on Bruce. Another nice AB. And he smokes the 3-1 pitch into RF for a single.

OnBaseMachine
09-09-2008, 09:40 PM
Castillo lines a single into CF. He's on fire right now.

HokieRed
09-09-2008, 09:46 PM
Have to say Walt's moves just look better and better: Masset, Richar, Castillo, Owings. They all have a chance to contribute to this club, and he got them basically for overpriced rentals of two guys unmovable in any other way.

OnBaseMachine
09-09-2008, 09:50 PM
Ramirez walks Kendell to begin the second. Hopefully he can find his fastball or command or else it's going to be a rough night.

redsmetz
09-09-2008, 09:54 PM
Suppan popped a bunt attempt to Votto, one out.

OnBaseMachine
09-09-2008, 09:57 PM
Weeks finally pops out on the 11th pitch of the atbat.

redsmetz
09-09-2008, 09:57 PM
According to Gameday, Weeks is working his AB, fouling six before popping to Phillips on the 11th pitch.

OnBaseMachine
09-09-2008, 09:59 PM
Hardy helps out by grounding out on a 3-0 pitch to end the inning. Ramirez has good stuff tonight but is struggling to command it.

Kc61
09-09-2008, 10:16 PM
73 pitches for RR in three innings. Maybe they should shut him down.

OnBaseMachine
09-09-2008, 10:26 PM
1-0 Brewers after 3 1/2.

Ltlabner
09-09-2008, 10:26 PM
I hate Dusty Baker (as manager of the Reds) with a burning passion. Expanded rosters and he's still running out Patterson and Cabrera at the top of the lineup. I'm prone to exaggeration, but suffice it to say that I am less of a fan of the Reds thanks to the idiocy of that man. He's the managerial equivalent of the toddler who can't have small toys for fear of choking on them.

I mean, Cabrera at SS. Really!? Play Keppinger. Play Janish. Play SOMEBODY who might have a role on this team next year.

Dude we are just trying to win games down the strech. Hank said it's the right thing to do.

Don't forget that the CF leads off, dude. He's the guy with speed and that's important. Then, of corse, you hit the short stop second. I mean, dude, that's pretty much common knowledge. But really, the key is being agressive at the plate.

OnBaseMachine
09-09-2008, 10:30 PM
Ramirez makes Cameron look foolish on a 2-2 changeup. Second K for Ramirez.

OnBaseMachine
09-09-2008, 10:32 PM
Another filthy changeup to K Bill Hall on a pitch that bounced in the dirt.

OnBaseMachine
09-09-2008, 10:34 PM
Kendall bounces out to EdE. A nice easy 1-2-3 4th inning for RR. 1-0 Brewers after four innings.

OnBaseMachine
09-09-2008, 10:37 PM
Castillo lines a single to right to begin the 5th. He went 3-for-4 last night and is 2-for-2 tonight.

OnBaseMachine
09-09-2008, 10:38 PM
And now Hanigan executes a perfect hit-and-run with a single to RF. First and third with nobody out for RR.

_Sir_Charles_
09-09-2008, 10:39 PM
Another single by Castillo. There's obviously no way this kid is this good, but I have no clue how good he IS...offensively OR defensively. I see people mention using Castillo at catcher...anybody know what his defense is like?

Hanigan follows up with a single. It's a rookie-fest! :O)

lollipopcurve
09-09-2008, 10:39 PM
Hanigan can handle the bat.

*BaseClogger*
09-09-2008, 10:39 PM
Jeff Suppan? :dunno:

toledodan
09-09-2008, 10:40 PM
with 1 out patterson with a sac fly. we will never get him out of the lineup now.

OnBaseMachine
09-09-2008, 10:40 PM
Another single by Castillo. There's obviously no way this kid is this good, but I have no clue how good he IS...offensively OR defensively. I see people mention using Castillo at catcher...anybody know what his defense is like?

Hanigan follows up with a single. It's a rookie-fest! :O)

Castillo is supposedly a good defensive catcher with a solid arm.

OnBaseMachine
09-09-2008, 10:41 PM
Ramirez popped out to SS. Patterson sac fly to CF on the first pitch ties the game at 1-1.

_Sir_Charles_
09-09-2008, 10:41 PM
Patterson with a sac fly to tie the game 1-1.

OnBaseMachine
09-09-2008, 10:44 PM
Cabrera grounds into a force a 3-1 pitch to end the inning.

1-1 after 4 1/2.

OnBaseMachine
09-09-2008, 10:47 PM
Suppan grounds out to EdE to begin the bottom of the 5th inning.

OnBaseMachine
09-09-2008, 10:48 PM
Weeks flies out to shallow left center on the first pitch.

OnBaseMachine
09-09-2008, 10:49 PM
Hardy grounds out to Cabrera on a 0-2 pitch. Ramirez has allowed just one hit through five innings.

1-1 after 5.

OnBaseMachine
09-09-2008, 10:53 PM
Ramirez has thrown 94 pitches through five innings. Next inning he'll face Bruce/Fielder/Hart. If he gets into any trouble at all I'd hope Dusty would pull him.

OnBaseMachine
09-09-2008, 10:53 PM
Votto walks to begin the 6th inning.

OnBaseMachine
09-09-2008, 10:58 PM
Jim Kelch is in the booth with Thom and Chris. He's a very good announcer IMO. I'd like to see him eventually get a full time gig with the Reds.

OnBaseMachine
09-09-2008, 10:59 PM
EdE belts homerun #25! 3-1 Reds.

_Sir_Charles_
09-09-2008, 10:59 PM
Agreed. It's kind of refreshing to hear a play-by-play announcer who actually gives us the PBP. :O)

_Sir_Charles_
09-09-2008, 11:00 PM
DINGER! EE!

OnBaseMachine
09-09-2008, 11:02 PM
Bruce homers! #17.

_Sir_Charles_
09-09-2008, 11:02 PM
BRUCE! Back to back! 4-1. Man, that was a moon shot.

CTA513
09-09-2008, 11:05 PM
Hopefully the bullpen can hold this lead so Ramirez can pick up his 1st major league win.

dougdirt
09-09-2008, 11:05 PM
Jay Bruce has really been killing the ball this month.

_Sir_Charles_
09-09-2008, 11:06 PM
LOL. Castillo is a machine. :O) Bunt base hit.

Ltlabner
09-09-2008, 11:06 PM
Castillo is supposedly a good defensive catcher with a solid arm.

With the scaricty of catching options you'd think they'd give him a test drive behind the plate to see if he's got anything.

Nope...just more Bako.

CTA513
09-09-2008, 11:06 PM
LOL. Castillo is a machine. :O) Bunt base hit.

Nice effort by Villanueva.


:ughmamoru

PuffyPig
09-09-2008, 11:08 PM
Classic quote from the Brewers TV annoucer, Re: Castillo.

"Where has this guy been all year for the Reds?"

lollipopcurve
09-09-2008, 11:08 PM
Castillo with a sweet drag bunt. Switch hitter, plays everywhere -- kid is a very nicely skilled player, if not a star.

_Sir_Charles_
09-09-2008, 11:08 PM
Houston winning 9-2. Good lord. My co-workers are going to rub it in endlessly. I LOATHE the Astros. :(

_Sir_Charles_
09-09-2008, 11:09 PM
Great snag by Bill Hall. Turns it into a DP to boot. Nice.

CTA513
09-09-2008, 11:18 PM
Ramirez: 6 Innings, 1 Hit, 1 Run, 4 BB, 4 Ks

lollipopcurve
09-09-2008, 11:19 PM
how about the catch from Castillo?

And Dusty said he'd be lucky to get a start all month...

HokieRed
09-09-2008, 11:19 PM
We may have found our #5 starter.

Kc61
09-09-2008, 11:20 PM
With the scaricty of catching options you'd think they'd give him a test drive behind the plate to see if he's got anything.

Nope...just more Bako.

Don't know if it's occurred to anyone. This game has meaning in the NL race. The Cubs series, this series, the Arizona series upcoming, all have meaning.

So the Reds are using some veterans. They're not experimenting with guys at uncertain positions. They are letting their starters go fairly deep into the games.

If the Reds play some games against non contenders, I think we'll see more emphasis on the young guys. Even now, some are playing, tonight a number of them.

OnBaseMachine
09-09-2008, 11:21 PM
Excellent diving catch by Castillo to end the 6th inning. Man this guy is playing well right now.

OnBaseMachine
09-09-2008, 11:23 PM
How about Ramon Ramirez? Yet another great start by that kid. He struggled mightily with his fastball command early in the game but really settled down to throw a gem.

6 IP, 1 H, 1 R, 4 BB, 4 K. The only hit came in the first inning.

OnBaseMachine
09-09-2008, 11:23 PM
Danny Richar's first atbat in a Reds uni results in a sharp line drive single but he gets thrown out trying to stretch it into a double.

Spring~Fields
09-09-2008, 11:24 PM
Excellent diving catch by Castillo to end the 6th inning. Man this guy is playing well right now.

See what can happen when young guys get a chance to play :)

OnBaseMachine
09-09-2008, 11:25 PM
Janish in at SS. Good move.

_Sir_Charles_
09-09-2008, 11:25 PM
Danny Richar's first atbat in a Reds uni results in a sharp line drive single but he gets thrown out trying to stretch it into a double.

He shows some great speed though. That hesitation obviously cost him, but he's damned quick.

Tony Cloninger
09-09-2008, 11:25 PM
Maybe they should not throw Castillo strikes and see if he has any patience....if he swings at everything then they will stop throwing him strikes and let his impatience get him out.

OnBaseMachine
09-09-2008, 11:26 PM
Burton in to pitch the 7th.

Cameron grounds out to Janish.

OnBaseMachine
09-09-2008, 11:32 PM
Burton walks Hall after getting ahead 1-2 and now hits Kendall on a 1-2 pitch. That ball looked like it hit the bat.

Burton hasn't been sharp at all since returning from the DL.

_Sir_Charles_
09-09-2008, 11:33 PM
Hall walks after Burton getting ahead 1-2, then he hits Kendall on a 1-2 count. 1st & 2nd, 1 out.

_Sir_Charles_
09-09-2008, 11:33 PM
Burton hasn't been sharp at all since returning from the DL.

I disagree. He looked VERY good last night.

RedsManRick
09-09-2008, 11:34 PM
13 guys in the bullpen and Dusty has to use Burton for the 3rd time in 4 days. And the Reds just paid the price.

OnBaseMachine
09-09-2008, 11:34 PM
Durham ties the game with a homerun. Wow. This isn't the same Burton.

RedFanAlways1966
09-09-2008, 11:34 PM
Geez... tie game. Burton needs to hit the showers.

_Sir_Charles_
09-09-2008, 11:35 PM
Tie ball game. 3 run dinger by Durham. Crap.

OnBaseMachine
09-09-2008, 11:35 PM
13 guys in the bullpen and Dusty has to use Burton for the 3rd time in 4 days. And the Reds just paid the price.

No kidding. Dusty is clueless.

Spring~Fields
09-09-2008, 11:35 PM
13 guys in the bullpen and Dusty has to use Burton for the 3rd time in 4 days. And the Reds just paid the price.

yeppppp

Tony Cloninger
09-09-2008, 11:35 PM
What an awful pitch by Burton.......I mean come on man....give it right to his sweet spot.

_Sir_Charles_
09-09-2008, 11:35 PM
1st pitch single. Okay, yank him.

OnBaseMachine
09-09-2008, 11:36 PM
Poor Ramon Ramirez. This guy has pitched well enough to be 3-0 but the freaking bullpen has blown three runs leads in both of his starts.

I said two months ago that there was no sense in bringing Burton back this season.

_Sir_Charles_
09-09-2008, 11:36 PM
Bray & Lincoln getting loose. Why not use the new kids?

Tony Cloninger
09-09-2008, 11:38 PM
Agree that Burton does not have the stamina.....to go 2 in a row....you have other options. I don't mind him coming back....it's using him this much that is disturbing.

toledodan
09-09-2008, 11:38 PM
Bray & Lincoln getting loose. Why not use the new kids?



its dusty being dusty.:p:

RedFanAlways1966
09-09-2008, 11:38 PM
Poor Ramon Ramirez. This guy has pitched well enough to be 3-0 but the freaking bullpen has blown three runs leads in both of his starts.

Yep. Two blown saves by the bullpen in the last 10 games and both were games Ramirez deserved to win. I hope the end result is the same tonight as that previous blown save on Aug. 30th... a REDS win

lollipopcurve
09-09-2008, 11:39 PM
Burton really struggling to hit his spots. Let's see if he can put Braun away at 0-2.

Spring~Fields
09-09-2008, 11:40 PM
Why not use the new kids?

Old dog new trick syndrome ?

:dunno:


Milwaukee Inning Summary

- J. Burton relieved D. Richar
- P. Janish at shortstop
- M. Cameron grounded out to shortstop
- B. Hall walked
- J. Kendall hit by pitch, B. Hall to second
- R. Durham hit for C. Villanueva
- R. Durham homered to deep right, J. Kendall and B. Hall scored
- R. Weeks singled to center
- J.J. Hardy grounded out to pitcher, R. Weeks to second
- R. Braun struck out swinging
- End of Inning (3 Runs, 2 Hits, 0 Errors)

Pitches-strikes - J Burton 26-17

OnBaseMachine
09-09-2008, 11:41 PM
Burton allowed 12 earned runs all season before his injury; He's allowed seven in his four appearances since the injury. IF they were going to bring him back they should have only let him pitch twice a week. An oblique injury for a pitcher can be rough.

OnBaseMachine
09-09-2008, 11:44 PM
Votto doubles to deep right center to begin the 8th.

_Sir_Charles_
09-09-2008, 11:44 PM
Ground rule double by Votto. He and Bruce have been POUNDING the ball lately. LOVE IT!

Spring~Fields
09-09-2008, 11:48 PM
Ground rule double by Votto. He and Bruce have been POUNDING the ball lately. LOVE IT!

Young guys playing the game the right way. :thumbup:

Spring~Fields
09-09-2008, 11:48 PM
Cleanup batter Phillips Whiffffffffffs

Phillips vs right handers .248 .294 .388 .681

OnBaseMachine
09-09-2008, 11:48 PM
Phillips K's looking on a fastball.

_Sir_Charles_
09-09-2008, 11:49 PM
That was a bad call on that 3rd strike. Well outside.

OnBaseMachine
09-09-2008, 11:50 PM
That homer just completely took the air out of me. This was an awesome game up until the poor usage of Burton last inning.

OnBaseMachine
09-09-2008, 11:50 PM
EdE walks.

_Sir_Charles_
09-09-2008, 11:51 PM
Edwin walks. They wanted NOTHING to do with Edwin. Stayed down and away with everything.

Bruce up with men on 1st & 2nd. Pitching change again.

OnBaseMachine
09-09-2008, 11:51 PM
Shouse coming on to face Bruce.

HokieRed
09-09-2008, 11:51 PM
I would love to see Phillips wearing another uniform next year. Most overrated player on this team by far.

Spring~Fields
09-09-2008, 11:53 PM
I would love to see Phillips wearing another uniform next year. Most overrated player on this team by far.

Pattersonesque against right handers .248 .294 .388 .681

_Sir_Charles_
09-09-2008, 11:53 PM
I would love to see Phillips wearing another uniform next year. Most overrated player on this team by far.

No, I don't agree with that at all. Well, maybe the overrated part. It's more like people expect him to be something he's not. Dusty included. He's not a clean-up/homerun hitter. He'll hit for a decent average (.280'ish) with some nice pop. His glove is his most valuable asset though.

When he's in the cleanup slot, he swings for the fences regardless of the pitch it seems. He's a 6 or 7 batter IMO.

HokieRed
09-09-2008, 11:54 PM
It's ridiculous to have him in the middle of the order against right-handers. Dusty's lineup construction is just beyond belief.

OnBaseMachine
09-09-2008, 11:54 PM
Bruce reaches on an error by Weeks to load the bases with only one out for Castillo.

_Sir_Charles_
09-09-2008, 11:55 PM
Bases loaded after an error.

OnBaseMachine
09-09-2008, 11:55 PM
Wow. Wilkin Castillo is 3-for-3 and 6 for his last 7 and Dusty pinch hits for him. Unreal.

Kc61
09-09-2008, 11:55 PM
That homer just completely took the air out of me. This was an awesome game up until the poor usage of Burton last inning.

There was nothing wrong with using Burton there. Baker is using his main guys in a meaningful series. Burton is healthy, had a long DL/rehab stint. He's not as sharp, but he seems ok.

Tomorrow Burton likely won't pitch, Thursday's off. So he'll get some rest.

If there's a criticism, Baker should have gone to Bray with the lefty Durham up. But having Burton pitch tonight is ok.

I find that sometimes it's the players who don't execute.

toledodan
09-09-2008, 11:56 PM
this board will explode if hariston hits into a DP.

_Sir_Charles_
09-09-2008, 11:56 PM
Hairston PH'ing for Castillo? I don't mind Hairston getting some AB's, but Castillo is on freaking fire right now, I'd let the kid swing away.

Kc61
09-09-2008, 11:57 PM
Hairston PH'ing for Castillo? I don't mind Hairston getting some AB's, but Castillo is on freaking fire right now, I'd let the kid swing away.


Castillo has been hot left handed. Haven't seen him hit righty so far.

VR
09-09-2008, 11:57 PM
In the past week we've seen what the opposition has seen from our defense all year. Gifts. Many many gifts.

_Sir_Charles_
09-09-2008, 11:58 PM
Hanigan up next...I'd pinch hit Bako for him. :eek:

lollipopcurve
09-09-2008, 11:58 PM
Hairston, with a bad leg, pinch hitting in a DP situation.

Castillo is fast.

VR
09-09-2008, 11:58 PM
Castillo has been hot left handed. Haven't seen him hit righty so far.

3-3 on the year

flyer85
09-09-2008, 11:59 PM
Dusty channeling Alicia Silverstone

OldXOhio
09-09-2008, 11:59 PM
Dusty must've watched the "Opposite George" episode ad nauseum during his year off in gearing up for his next gig. I can't for the life of me understand a lot of what the man does. It's as if he's trying to be a contrarian.

OnBaseMachine
09-09-2008, 11:59 PM
There was nothing wrong with using Burton there. Baker is using his main guys in a meaningful series. Burton is healthy, had a long DL/rehab stint. He's not as sharp, but he seems ok.

Tomorrow Burton likely won't pitch, Thursday's off. So he'll get some rest.

If there's a criticism, Baker should have gone to Bray with the lefty Durham up. But having Burton pitch tonight is ok.

I find that sometimes it's the players who don't execute.

Burton is coming off an injury and has struggled since his return. I don't agree with pitching him on back to back days and three of the last four when he's clearly not at his best right now.

Kc61
09-09-2008, 11:59 PM
Hanigan up next...I'd pinch hit Bako for him. :eek:


No you wouldn't because the lefty pitcher is throwing. You'd rather have Hanigan.

OnBaseMachine
09-10-2008, 12:00 AM
Hairston grounds to Hall who throws home. Great decision Dusty.

_Sir_Charles_
09-10-2008, 12:01 AM
No you wouldn't because the lefty pitcher is throwing. You'd rather have Hanigan.

Ummm...I was joking. Bako should NEVER pinch hit for ANYBODY...even for Patterson.

Spring~Fields
09-10-2008, 12:01 AM
Wow. Wilkin Castillo is 3-for-3 and 6 for his last 7 and Dusty pinch hits for him. Unreal.

That worked out well. :thumbdown

WVRedsFan
09-10-2008, 12:02 AM
Typical Reds inning--Phillips K's. bases get loaded and the next two hitters ground into force outs. All they needed was a fly ball. Good grief.

flyer85
09-10-2008, 12:02 AM
Great decision Dusty.it boggles the mind. Dusty and his woody for ex-cubs needs to go elsewhere.

_Sir_Charles_
09-10-2008, 12:03 AM
That worked out well. :thumbdown

True, but we don't know...Castillo could've hit into a DP. Overall, that was a good AB from Hairston IMO. Poor result, but a solid AB.

Spring~Fields
09-10-2008, 12:03 AM
Cincinnati Inning Summary

- M. Stetter relieved C. Villanueva
- J. Votto ground rule double to deep right
- G. Mota relieved M. Stetter
- B. Phillips struck out looking
- E. Encarnacion walked
- B. Shouse relieved G. Mota
- J. Bruce reached on fielder's choice, J. Votto to third, E. Encarnacion to second on second baseman R. Weeks' fielding error
- J. Hairston Jr. hit for W. Castillo
- J. Hairston Jr. grounded into fielder's choice, J. Votto out at home, E. Encarnacion to third, J. Bruce to second
- R. Hanigan grounded into fielder's choice, J. Hairston Jr. out at second
- End of Inning (0 Runs, 1 Hit, 1 Error)

WVRedsFan
09-10-2008, 12:03 AM
Karosene Bray next on the mound.

flyer85
09-10-2008, 12:04 AM
doesn't matter how it worked out, it was dumb ... replacing a hot hitter for a guy that has hardly played in the last 5 weeks.

WVRedsFan
09-10-2008, 12:04 AM
Bray K's Fielder.

_Sir_Charles_
09-10-2008, 12:04 AM
Bray in. Weathers warming up. *confused* No Roenicke, no Herrera, no Adkins?

OnBaseMachine
09-10-2008, 12:04 AM
Bray K's Fielder on a nasty slider.

Kc61
09-10-2008, 12:05 AM
I'm pretty sick of all the criticism of Dusty. But I wouldn't have hit Hairston there. He's just back, hardly has been up, I would have stuck with Castillo or gone with Keppinger.

_Sir_Charles_
09-10-2008, 12:05 AM
doesn't matter how it worked out, it was dumb ... replacing a hot hitter for a guy that has hardly played in the last 5 weeks.

Oh, don't get me wrong...I agree completely. Castillo should've hit. But I don't blame Hairston for anything in that AB.

WVRedsFan
09-10-2008, 12:06 AM
Bray faces one batter and yeilds to Gasoline Weathers.

Tony Cloninger
09-10-2008, 12:07 AM
Some of it is pretty warranted.....some of it borders on pure hatred.

I don't agree with PH for castillo.....would have loved to see if he would have done that with patterson.

OnBaseMachine
09-10-2008, 12:07 AM
Wilkin Castillo was 6-for-7 in this series and got pinch hit for. Dusty has made 20 boatloads of awful moves this year but that may have been the worst. What's next, Bako for Bruce?

OnBaseMachine
09-10-2008, 12:08 AM
Yet another error on EdE.

_Sir_Charles_
09-10-2008, 12:08 AM
Dusty is on record as saying the bullpen is overworked. So he uses Burton, Bray & Weathers. I give Dusty the benefit of the doubt most of the time and I try not to criticise him (he gets enough of that from everyone else here), but I don't get that. Use the kids.

WVRedsFan
09-10-2008, 12:09 AM
Bray faces one batter and yeilds to Gasoline Weathers. And immediately an error.

Spring~Fields
09-10-2008, 12:09 AM
doesn't matter how it worked out, it was dumb ... replacing a hot hitter for a guy that has hardly played in the last 5 weeks.

Don't you just love this manager's decisions and choices from spring training forward. Two more years we have to endure poor choices and decisions.

He claims to have some hitting coach ability and he can't even handle Brandon Phillips and his swinging away let alone bat him in the right place in the order and he led Patterson off again tonight................ C. Patterson CF 0-3 Actually o-4 without that bloop to Cameron

Kc61
09-10-2008, 12:09 AM
Dusty is on record as saying the bullpen is overworked. So he uses Burton, Bray & Weathers. I give Dusty the benefit of the doubt most of the time and I try not to criticise him (he gets enough of that from everyone else here), but I don't get that. Use the kids.

He's old school. This is a meaningful game. He's not going to give Roenicke his first try here, unless absolutely necessary.

Tony Cloninger
09-10-2008, 12:09 AM
These Brewers announcers......Votto is a great fielding 1st basemen? They can score a lot? Never thought i would laugh at actual compliments for my own team.

_Sir_Charles_
09-10-2008, 12:10 AM
"This kid continues to be an adventure at third. I just don't know if you can win over the long haul with him at third." ~ Marty. Spot on.

WVRedsFan
09-10-2008, 12:10 AM
Let's start a poll. How many errors will Edwin have at the end of the season? He may set a record.

Kc61
09-10-2008, 12:10 AM
That play is exactly why EE may not be at third for the Reds next year. Wasn't an easy play, but the real good third basemen make that throw.

_Sir_Charles_
09-10-2008, 12:11 AM
*laughs* Yeah, didn't see THAT stolen base coming. :O) I wouldn't be surprised if he swiped third too. And that's not a swipe at Hanigan...but rather our pitching staff's slow approach to the plate overall. Again, that's on Pole.

VR
09-10-2008, 12:12 AM
I really wish EE could learn to throw without that loop. It's so unorthodox...and that's ok if you have accuracy.

Can't even get a throw off when everyone in the park knew he was running.

Spring~Fields
09-10-2008, 12:13 AM
Dusty is on record as saying the bullpen is overworked. So he uses Burton, Bray & Weathers.

Now you're seeing the big picture correctly..............Good observation. :thumbup:

Kc61
09-10-2008, 12:13 AM
I really wish EE could learn to throw without that loop. It's so unorthodox...and that's ok if you have accuracy.

Can't even get a throw off when everyone in the park knew he was running.


It shouldn't matter too much from left field.

Or from DH.

lollipopcurve
09-10-2008, 12:13 AM
it's BILL HALL in a big spot

VR
09-10-2008, 12:14 AM
Some perspective on Griff. He batted 6th tonight while DeeeWayne Wise hit 2nd. Yes, that Dwayne Wise.

toledodan
09-10-2008, 12:14 AM
Wilkin Castillo was 6-for-7 in this series and got pinch hit for. Dusty has made 20 boatloads of awful moves this year but that may have been the worst. What's next, Bako for Bruce?



that would border on the castro for hamilton move from the last manager.:D

Matt700wlw
09-10-2008, 12:14 AM
Patterson due up in the 9th...since Dusty's genius worked last night, I bet he lets him hit tonight

Spring~Fields
09-10-2008, 12:15 AM
Let's start a poll. How many errors will Edwin have at the end of the season? He may set a record.

Pre season Bakers fielding coach Chris Speier was suppose to be the cure there.

:oops:

_Sir_Charles_
09-10-2008, 12:15 AM
It shouldn't matter too much from left field.

Or from DH.

Or my personal preference...first base. Votto to left. Rosales to third.

HokieRed
09-10-2008, 12:15 AM
Prediction: EE will not be at 3b next year. I just don't think WJ will put up with another season of it. He's made no progress; he's still in the bottom quarter (generously) of 3basemen. He either hits enough to play LF or he's gone elsewhere.

VR
09-10-2008, 12:16 AM
it's BILL HALL in a big spot

He made an out. I think that breaks a streak of about 27 consecutive hits for Hall in that situation against the Reds.

Kc61
09-10-2008, 12:16 AM
Somebody should mention that Dusty switched to Weathers who struck out Cameron and Hall looking. Sorry for sayiing something positive about both of them.

OnBaseMachine
09-10-2008, 12:17 AM
Andy Phillips on to pinch hit instead of Rosales.

toledodan
09-10-2008, 12:18 AM
Somebody should mention that Dusty switched to Weathers who struck out Cameron and Hall looking. Sorry for sayiing something positive about both of them.



dumb luck but atleast he didn't let patterson bat.:thumbup:

WVRedsFan
09-10-2008, 12:18 AM
Pre season Bakers fielding coach Chris Speier was suppose to be the cure there.

:oops:

I can't blame Speier. The kid can't play the position. His error led to t he first run and nearly the go ahead in the 8th. Time to find a 3rd baseman.

And who do we bring up to hit? Andy F. Phillips. What a waste.

Matt700wlw
09-10-2008, 12:18 AM
Safe!

_Sir_Charles_
09-10-2008, 12:18 AM
Cordero & Lincoln warming. Meaningful game for the Brewers or not....Dusty's concern should be for HIS club...not the Brewers. If YOUR pen is overworked...then do something about it.

toledodan
09-10-2008, 12:18 AM
AP reaches on an error by weeks.

toledodan
09-10-2008, 12:20 AM
dumb luck but atleast he didn't let patterson bat.:thumbup:


well see what happens when you trust dusty?

PuffyPig
09-10-2008, 12:20 AM
He's made no progress; he's still in the bottom quarter (generously) of 3basemen.

He's ranked #7 in the major leagues in OPS by a thirdbaseman.

Could you be more wrong?

And how can anyone ever be put (generously) in the bottom of any group? It's not possible.

Matt700wlw
09-10-2008, 12:21 AM
Patterson with a great bunt makes Dusty feel like a genius again

toledodan
09-10-2008, 12:21 AM
He's ranked #7 in the major leagues in OPS by a thirdbaseman.

Could you be more wrong?



i think he was talking about his defense.

HokieRed
09-10-2008, 12:22 AM
My mistake, I was referring to EE's defense.

Tony Cloninger
09-10-2008, 12:22 AM
Yeah...Patterson is OK to hit against a LH....sure.

On the other hand......calling Weathers...kerosene....I mean really....you guys are pushing it. Make him sound like he's Manzanillo or Stone.

Spring~Fields
09-10-2008, 12:22 AM
I can't blame Speier. The kid can't play the position. His error led to t he first run and nearly the go ahead in the 8th. Time to find a 3rd baseman.

And who do we bring up to hit? Andy F. Phillips. What a waste.

Not a problem, I see we can agree that Speier did not help him just the same, how about Votto ?? :)

A certain someone chose not to play Rosales remember?

_Sir_Charles_
09-10-2008, 12:23 AM
He's ranked #7 in the major leagues in OPS by a thirdbaseman.

Could you be more wrong?

Seen where he ranks in errors for 3rd basemen? He's obviously got the glove and the range. The vast majority of his errors have come on the throw. So take that out of the equation. First base. I've got no problem with his bat or his fielding. But that arm...good lord.

OnBaseMachine
09-10-2008, 12:25 AM
Keppinger is SLOW.

Matt700wlw
09-10-2008, 12:26 AM
"This is our playoffs" - another manager in another meaningless September

OnBaseMachine
09-10-2008, 12:26 AM
They are intentionally walking Votto to get to our cleanup hitter.

_Sir_Charles_
09-10-2008, 12:27 AM
Kepp batting for Janish, nearly a single, but Hardy grabs it deep and guns out kepp. But Phillips advances. Votto getting intentionally walked. We're seeing more and more of that lately. Brandon coming up with 2 on.

WVRedsFan
09-10-2008, 12:27 AM
They are intentionally walking Votto to get to our cleanup hitter.

Smart move.

Spring~Fields
09-10-2008, 12:28 AM
They are intentionally walking Votto to get to our cleanup hitter.


MR.swwwwiiiiiiiinnnngggggggggggggggg

Kc61
09-10-2008, 12:29 AM
MR.swwwwiiiiiiiinnnngggggggggggggggg

He was right to swing at that first pitch. He should have hit it 500 feet.

Matt700wlw
09-10-2008, 12:29 AM
They are intentionally walking Votto to get to our cleanup hitter.

The Phillips 3rd, Votto 4th, Bruce 5th thing didn't last long...

Spring~Fields
09-10-2008, 12:29 AM
Cincinnati Inning Summary

- A. Phillips hit for D. Weathers
- A. Phillips safe at first on second baseman R. Weeks' throwing error
- C. Patterson sacrificed to third, A. Phillips to second
- J. Keppinger hit for P. Janish
- S. Torres relieved B. Shouse
- J. Keppinger grounded out to shortstop, A. Phillips to third
- J. Votto intentionally walked
- B. Phillips grounded into fielder's choice, J. Votto out at second
- End of Inning (0 Runs, 0 Hits, 1 Error)

OnBaseMachine
09-10-2008, 12:29 AM
Phillips would be a much better hitter if he could realize that he's not a homerun hitter.

_Sir_Charles_
09-10-2008, 12:29 AM
As usual lately...Phillips is swinging for the seats. Get him OUT of the cleanup slot. It has really screwed up his approach. He's not a bad player or hitter, but this "gotta hit a homer" mentality is really messing with him. Even Dusty's noticed it. Marty said Dusty was quoted as saying Brandon has "homerun-itis". Bump him down in the order.

PuffyPig
09-10-2008, 12:30 AM
Seen where he ranks in errors for 3rd basemen? He's obviously got the glove and the range. The vast majority of his errors have come on the throw. So take that out of the equation. First base. I've got no problem with his bat or his fielding. But that arm...good lord.


Until we get viable alternative to EE to play third, leave him there.

Kepp or Rosales at third simply don't hit enough.

Spring~Fields
09-10-2008, 12:30 AM
He was right to swing at that first pitch. He should have hit it 500 feet.


How did the walk to Votto work out for the Brewers ? To face the Reds cleanup batter

WVRedsFan
09-10-2008, 12:31 AM
Hot Rod Lincoln in to either be the hero or the goat...

VR
09-10-2008, 12:31 AM
WOW!
I didn't realize BP's ops is around .690 since the end of May!

Matt700wlw
09-10-2008, 12:31 AM
Lincoln in to end it

Kc61
09-10-2008, 12:31 AM
Hard to imagine Lincoln sending this game into extras. He hasn't been very good lately.

OnBaseMachine
09-10-2008, 12:32 AM
Oh great. Here comes Mike Lincoln. He's allowed 16 runs in his last 12+ innings.

OldXOhio
09-10-2008, 12:32 AM
Phillips would be a much better hitter if he could realize that he's not a homerun hitter.

Not likely to happen when your manager thinks you are.

_Sir_Charles_
09-10-2008, 12:33 AM
Until we get viable alternative to EE to play third, leave him there.

Kepp or Rosales at third simply don't hit enough.

We have no idea if Rosales doesn't hit enough. Dusty hasn't played him. He was KILLING the ball at Louisville in the second half of the season. He came up here a few weeks back and Dusty put him to sleep, when they sent him back down to Louisville...he just picked up where he left off and pounded the ball. Give him a shot. He's got the glove.

Spring~Fields
09-10-2008, 12:33 AM
Phillips would be a much better hitter if he could realize that he's not a homerun hitter.

I think we understand the Cleveland reports now, a good manager and hitting instructor would have dealt with that way back early in the season, after he recognized that the guy struggled against right handed pitching, months later still not corrected.

lollipopcurve
09-10-2008, 12:33 AM
I doubt Lincoln can get through this unscathed.

Spring~Fields
09-10-2008, 12:34 AM
We have no idea if Rosales doesn't hit enough. Dusty hasn't played him. He was KILLING the ball at Louisville in the second half of the season.

Exactly

Matt700wlw
09-10-2008, 12:35 AM
Bruuuuuce sends it to a 10th!

OnBaseMachine
09-10-2008, 12:35 AM
Bruce makes a nice catch and throws to first for the double play.

_Sir_Charles_
09-10-2008, 12:36 AM
BRUUUUUCE! Snags a liner then doubles up Escobar at first. :O)

Tony Cloninger
09-10-2008, 12:36 AM
Well if Dusty sees it....why does he do nothing about it by batting him down in the order?

toledodan
09-10-2008, 12:36 AM
bruce makes a crazy catch to turn a double play. gagne looks to be coming in so lets hit him hard like everyone else has.

Spring~Fields
09-10-2008, 12:36 AM
Milwaukee Inning Summary

- J. Keppinger at shortstop
- M. Lincoln relieved D. Weathers
- J. Kendall grounded out to third
- M. Lamb hit for S. Torres
- M. Lamb singled to right center
- A. Escobar ran for M. Lamb
- R. Weeks flied into double play right to first, A. Escobar out at first
- End of Inning (0 Runs, 1 Hit, 0 Errors)

4-4 tie after 9

_Sir_Charles_
09-10-2008, 12:37 AM
Edwin, Bruce & Hairston coming up against Gagne.

Kc61
09-10-2008, 12:38 AM
Exactly

That's why you have minor league coaches and managers. If the Reds thought Rosales was an option at third, we'd know it. Doubtful that he is, at this point.

The Reds should acquire a new third baseman and move EE to left field for next year. Let's see how he hits with the pressure of third base removed.

I'm in favor of a move for Beltre. Would shore up the righty hitting, improve defense, and EE gets a try in the outfield. Or Votto to left, EE to first base. Either way.

Spring~Fields
09-10-2008, 12:38 AM
Edwin, Bruce & Hairston coming up against Gagne.

A chance to rewin the game :)

OldXOhio
09-10-2008, 12:39 AM
Has anyone discussed whether Walt knows a good manager from a bad one? I don't say this jokingly - we talk all the time about Walt's successful handling of the Cardinals personnel for years and how the Reds job poses a different set of challenges. But who here knows if part of Walt's forte is assessing whether his manager is putting the pegs in the right holes? Can Walt really be watching Dusty and not be thinking a lot of what's discussed in these game threads on a nightly basis.

Spring~Fields
09-10-2008, 12:39 AM
That's why you have minor league coaches and managers. If the Reds thought Rosales was an option at third, we'd know it. Doubtful that he is, at this point.



I haven't seen them right about too many of these young guys yet, have you? Which one hasn't fooled them yet with what they have done? They clearly have fooled Baker since spring. So has Patterson and Bako

VR
09-10-2008, 12:40 AM
Well if Dusty sees it....why does he do nothing about it by batting him down in the order?

Phillips has earned the respect to not be moved down in the order dude.

OldXOhio
09-10-2008, 12:41 AM
WOW!
I didn't realize BP's ops is around .690 since the end of May!

I guess Dusty respects BP too much to move him down in the order.

OnBaseMachine
09-10-2008, 12:42 AM
EdE K's.

Bruce walks after a great atbat.

LoganBuck
09-10-2008, 12:42 AM
Wow, that was close.

Bruce on with a walk.

_Sir_Charles_
09-10-2008, 12:43 AM
Nice eye and patience by Bruce. Gagne is pissed, but they were BOTH inside.

Matt700wlw
09-10-2008, 12:43 AM
Toss Gagne. Arguing balls and strikes! If they weren't in contention would he have gotten tossed?

WVRedsFan
09-10-2008, 12:44 AM
Nice eye and patience by Bruce. Gagne is pissed, but they were BOTH inside.

Barely, but true. I guess it struck midnight and Hairston turned into a pumpkin. A very poor at bat--just like Edwin's.

OnBaseMachine
09-10-2008, 12:44 AM
Another great night for Bruce and Votto. They have combined to go 3-for-7 with a double, homerun, and three walks.

Patrick Bateman
09-10-2008, 12:45 AM
Those are the at-bats by Bruce I love. Even if that pitch is called a strike, it's Bruce recognizing that he wasn't prepared to turn on that ball, and wasn't going to do any good by swinging at it. Great takes, and he got rewarded for it.

OnBaseMachine
09-10-2008, 12:45 AM
Castillo's replacement is 0-for-2.

OnBaseMachine
09-10-2008, 12:46 AM
Those are the at-bats by Bruce I love. Even if that pitch is called a strike, it's Bruce recognizing that he wasn't prepared to turn on that ball, and wasn't going to do any good by swinging at it. Great takes, and he got rewarded for it.

Yep. Bruce has been locked in lately. He's looking like he did when he first came up - taking pitching and working the count deep and using all parts of the field.

Kc61
09-10-2008, 12:47 AM
I haven't seen them right about too many of these young guys yet, have you? Which one hasn't fooled them yet with what they have done? They clearly have fooled Baker since spring. So has Patterson and Bako


I haven't personally discussed the Reds' views of prospects with the team's staff. I don't know what their internal reports are. This year, they promoted the right guys and they went slow with guys who needed it. The only promotion I didn't like was Homer, who wasn't doing well at AAA and wasn't likely to do well with the Reds this year.

As for Patterson and Bako, if it makes everybody feel good to bark at them 150 times per season, so be it. The truth, of course, if that Baker sent Patterson down to AAA and only brought him back when all these outfield injuries took place. And Bako is the best veteran defensive catcher they have to work with the younger pitchers.

LoganBuck
09-10-2008, 12:48 AM
I now dub Ryan Hanigan, The Hobbit.

Matt700wlw
09-10-2008, 12:49 AM
Reds fail to score

Spring~Fields
09-10-2008, 12:49 AM
Cincinnati Inning Summary

- E. Gagne relieved S. Torres
- E. Encarnacion struck out swinging
- J. Bruce walked
- J. Hairston Jr. flied out to deep center
- R. Hanigan struck out swinging
- End of Inning (0 Runs, 0 Hits, 0 Errors)

_Sir_Charles_
09-10-2008, 12:50 AM
I now dub Ryan Hanigan, The Hobbit.

Hairy feet?

PuffyPig
09-10-2008, 12:50 AM
We have no idea if Rosales doesn't hit enough.

And .802 OPS at AAA suggests that he doesn't have EE bat or power.

_Sir_Charles_
09-10-2008, 12:51 AM
:bang:Lincoln for second inning of work.

OldXOhio
09-10-2008, 12:51 AM
As for Patterson and Bako, if it makes everybody feel good to bark at them 150 times per season, so be it. The truth, of course, if that Baker sent Patterson down to AAA and only brought him back when all these outfield injuries took place.


Maybe, but that doesn't mean you ever, ever bat him leadoff.

alloverjr
09-10-2008, 12:51 AM
With 500 pitchers in the pen now, why use Lincoln for 2 innings when he's been poor lately and even over the course of the year bad in his 2nd trip to mound?

Spring~Fields
09-10-2008, 12:51 AM
As for Patterson and Bako, if it makes everybody feel good to bark at them 150 times per season, so be it.

If they can't see and deal with the obvious, why would it be hard to see them surprised by the young guys?

They play who they think and believe will work out best for them. Clearly multiple mistakes were made in judgement.

LoganBuck
09-10-2008, 12:51 AM
Hairy feet?

Short guy, stubby bat, check him out with his batting helmet. He looks like Merry from LOTR.

OnBaseMachine
09-10-2008, 12:51 AM
Lincoln back out for another inning. Goodness.

_Sir_Charles_
09-10-2008, 12:52 AM
And .802 OPS at AAA suggests that he doesn't have EE bat or power.

He struggled badly the first month or two of the season, but he improved dramatically EVERY month this season. He was a terror at the plate the last month or two.

~edit~ Per Fay....
--Adam Rosales, INF: He's an interesting guy to watch. He's athletic. He's hit everywhere he's played. And he hustles like Pete Rose. Look at his Louisville averages this year: .177 in April, .235 in May, .299 in June, .324 in July and .436 in August. If the Reds decided to move Brandon Phillips to short, I'd have him in the mix at second base.

LoganBuck
09-10-2008, 12:52 AM
Lincoln back out for another inning. Goodness.

They have two long guys in the pen on top of it all.

Matt700wlw
09-10-2008, 12:53 AM
With 500 pitchers in the pen now, why use Lincoln for 2 innings when he's been poor lately and even over the course of the year bad in his 2nd trip to mound?

Because this game means something....next year doesn't.....or something

OnBaseMachine
09-10-2008, 12:54 AM
Lincoln gets Hardy and Braun out on flyouts. Pitching change.

Matt700wlw
09-10-2008, 12:54 AM
Is Harang warming up yet?

_Sir_Charles_
09-10-2008, 12:54 AM
Short guy, stubby bat, check him out with his batting helmet. He looks like Merry from LOTR.

*laughs* Yeah, i see it. But he's 6 foot. Not short per say. But I do see it. :O)

Matt700wlw
09-10-2008, 12:56 AM
Dusty is making Tony LaRussa look bad.....ANOTHER pitching change and a double switch - Atkins out now after Affeldt doesn't get someone out

Spring~Fields
09-10-2008, 12:56 AM
Is Harang warming up yet?


:nono: :fineprint


:lol:

_Sir_Charles_
09-10-2008, 12:56 AM
Affeldt in. I think we'll have to go 19 or 20 innings to see the new guys.

_Sir_Charles_
09-10-2008, 12:57 AM
1st pitch single. *sigh* Baker back out to switch....double style. Dickerson to left. Adkins in.

Patterson out. Dickerson in left, Hairston in center. I'd reverse that.

Spring~Fields
09-10-2008, 12:57 AM
Remarkable recovery by Dickerson as he comes into the game with Adkins

Hairston to Center per Cowboy WLW