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Red in Chicago
09-10-2008, 11:46 AM
Cincinnati
J. Hairston Jr. cf
J. Keppinger ss
J. Votto 1b
E. Encarnacion 3b
J. Bruce rf
J. Cabrera lf
A. Phillips 2b
R. Hanigan c
B. Arroyo p

Milwaukee
R. Durham 2b
J.J. Hardy ss
R. Braun lf
P. Fielder 1b
G. Kapler rf
M. Cameron cf
C. Counsell 3b
J. Kendall c
C. Sabathia p

BRM
09-10-2008, 02:25 PM
Now that's a solid lineup.

reds44
09-10-2008, 02:30 PM
Holy crap. Our cleanup hitter actually belongs batting cleanup.

klw
09-10-2008, 02:32 PM
From the Gameday preview


MILWAUKEE -- Reds manager Dusty Baker has seven extra players at his disposal and a tightrope to walk when determining how he'll use those September callups.
Of Cincinnati's final 17 games, 16 are against teams that have a fighting chance at making the playoffs. That might prevent Baker from fielding a lineup of fresh faces with little big league experience.

"I'll use them in spots and try to get them a start if I can," Baker said. "But for the integrity of the races and the team, you have to go with your best lineup. Everyone we're playing still has a chance for something. I'll probably play them a lot more than I played when I came up. Some will pinch-hit. Some will pinch-run. We'll see what they can do in the clutch. It depends. I told them all to be ready to play."

Infielders Paul Janish, Danny Richar, Adam Rosales and pitchers Danny Herrera, Jon Adkins, Adam Pettyjohn and Josh Roenicke were officially called up Tuesday from Triple-A Louisville. Adkins faced two batters in the 10th inning on Tuesday and was the winner in a 5-4 victory in 11 innings over Milwaukee.

Janish played 31 games for the Reds during his earlier callup. Rosales and Herrera got brief big league exposure in their previous promotions. Richar, acquired in the Ken Griffey Jr. trade, played 57 games for the White Sox last season. Adkins and Pettyjohn are 31-year-old veterans. Only Roenicke has never been in the Majors before.

"This is an invaluable experience," Baker said of the younger September callups. "Hopefully in the near future, we'll be in the situation on the other side of the coin. You have to feel excitement but control adrenaline and have the coolness of mind to handle different situations and pressures. People say, 'I know I can do it,' but until you're in that situation, you just don't know."


Pitching matchup
CIN: RHP Bronson Arroyo (14-10, 4.84 ERA)
In his last start on Friday, Arroyo struck out the first three Cubs he faced on 10 pitches before getting a big lead and cruising thereafter for his 14th win of the season. The 31-year-old right-hander went 6 1/3 innings and gave up just one run on four hits, striking out six, in the Reds' big win over the Cubs. A high pitch count drove Arroyo out early, as he threw a season-high 122 pitches before being chased midway through the seventh inning. The right-hander has faced the Brewers twice this season, going 1-1 with a 3.86 ERA in 11 2/3 innings. Lifetime, Arroyo is 7-4 with a 3.62 ERA in 14 appearances (11 starts) against Milwaukee.

MIL: LHP CC Sabathia (15-8, 2.77 ERA)
Sabathia did his part on Friday against the Padres, but the Brewers couldn't close the deal in time for his 10th National League win. Sabathia allowed a leadoff baserunner in five of his seven innings, but he limited the Padres to one run on five hits and went 2-for-3 at the plate, including a go-ahead single. The lead got away from reliever Eric Gagne, but the Brewers rallied to improve to 11-1 in Sabathia's starts.

Tidbits
Baker said that Chris Dickerson's sore left ankle hadn't improved enough for him to start. Dickerson missed his third straight start on Tuesday and wasn't expected to be in Wednesday's lineup. "He's still sore, and I didn't want to take a chance on him rushing that," Baker said. "Plus with CC, he won't play [Wednesday] and then we have an off-day. So that gives him a good three or four days to get this thing better. We'll need him for Arizona and [Brandon] Webb on Friday. I'll need all the left-handed hitters I can get."

reds44
09-10-2008, 02:33 PM
"I'll use them in spots and try to get them a start if I can," Baker said. "But for the integrity of the races and the team, you have to go with your best lineup. Everyone we're playing still has a chance for something. I'll probably play them a lot more than I played when I came up. Some will pinch-hit. Some will pinch-run. We'll see what they can do in the clutch. It depends. I told them all to be ready to play."

Nothing like your manager saying, "Jeff Keppinger, Jolbert Cabrera, Andy Phillips, and Corey Patterson are better than you."

OnBaseMachine
09-10-2008, 02:36 PM
Please Walt, please, please, please bring in your own manager during the offseason. Please.

Matt700wlw
09-10-2008, 02:36 PM
Don't tell Dusty, but he forgot to start Patterson ;)

BRM
09-10-2008, 03:06 PM
Hairston's fouling off a lot of pitches. At least he's making C.C. work.

Just struck out swinging.

RichRed
09-10-2008, 03:09 PM
Holy crap. Our cleanup hitter actually belongs batting cleanup.

Took a BP injury to make it happen.

OnBaseMachine
09-10-2008, 03:12 PM
The Reds go in order but forced Sabathia throw 18 pitches.

OnBaseMachine
09-10-2008, 03:18 PM
Durham walks on 3-2 but Hardy grounds into a doubleplay for the first two outs.

OnBaseMachine
09-10-2008, 03:20 PM
Braun pops out to Votto. Scoreless after one inning.

OnBaseMachine
09-10-2008, 03:24 PM
EdE K's and Bruce flies out to left. In addition to Sabathia's filthy stuff there are some nasty shadows the batters have to deal with.

Cabrera grounds out. Six up six down for CC.

cumberlandreds
09-10-2008, 03:27 PM
Where's Castillo? He's only 6 for his last 7.

OnBaseMachine
09-10-2008, 03:31 PM
Fielder flies out and Kapler K's. Two outs.

OnBaseMachine
09-10-2008, 03:33 PM
Cameron pops out to Votto. Both teams are hitless through two innings.

OnBaseMachine
09-10-2008, 03:41 PM
Phillips HBP, Hanigan FC, Arroyo FC, Hairston walks, Keppinger singles. Bases loaded with two outs for Votto.

OnBaseMachine
09-10-2008, 03:42 PM
Today wouldn't have been a bad day to give Rosales a start at 1B against the tough lefty.

BRM
09-10-2008, 03:43 PM
Where's Castillo? He's only 6 for his last 7.

He has to sit so Dusty can protect the integrity of the playoff races.

OnBaseMachine
09-10-2008, 03:44 PM
Votto K's swinging on a 2-2 breaking ball down and away.

BRM
09-10-2008, 03:45 PM
Votto K's swinging on a 2-2 breaking ball down and away.

Tough matchup for Joey today. I agree with your earlier post concerning Rosales. Today might have been a good day to play him at 1B and give Votto a rest.

OnBaseMachine
09-10-2008, 03:48 PM
Arroyo walks Craig Counsell to begin the bottom of the third inning. There's nothing more frustrating than watching the pitcher walk a weak hitter.

BRM
09-10-2008, 03:51 PM
Kendall flies out to RF. Counsell goes to third on the throwing error by Bruce.

OnBaseMachine
09-10-2008, 03:52 PM
Kendall flies out to Bruce in shallow RF but he airmails the throw into the Brewers dugout as he attempted to nail Counsell at first base. Counsell advances to third base and scores on a Sabathia groundout. The Brewers have a run despite not having a hit. And now Durham singles.

cumberlandreds
09-10-2008, 03:52 PM
Kendall flies out to RF. Counsell goes to third on the throwing error by Bruce.

10 errors so far this season by Bruce per Marty. That is not good.

BRM
09-10-2008, 03:52 PM
Counsell scores on Sabathia's RBI groundout.

BRM
09-10-2008, 03:53 PM
Kendall flies out to Bruce in shallow RF but he airmails the throw into the Brewers dugout as he attempted to nail Counsell at first base. Counsell advances to third base and scores on a Sabathia groundout. The Brewers have a run despite not having a hit. And now Durham singles.

Thanks for the details. Gameday just said "throwing error".

OnBaseMachine
09-10-2008, 03:54 PM
Hardy grounds out. That should go as an unearned run.

OnBaseMachine
09-10-2008, 03:55 PM
10 errors so far this season by Bruce per Marty. That is not good.

He's made all the tough plays and messes up some of the easier ones. He'll be fine IMO.

BRM
09-10-2008, 03:57 PM
He's made all the tough plays and messes up some of the easier ones. He'll be fine IMO.

I've heard similar comments about Encarnacion.

OnBaseMachine
09-10-2008, 04:00 PM
EdE just misses a homerun foul, and then flies out. Bruce K's swinging on a 3-2 breaking ball.

OnBaseMachine
09-10-2008, 04:01 PM
Cabrera grounds out on the first pitch.

1-0 Brewers after 3 1/2.

Kc61
09-10-2008, 04:02 PM
If there was ever a game that the Reds were destined to lose, this is it. CC pitching, won the first two on the road in this series, Brewers in a playoff race.

I'd be pleasantly amazed if the Reds win.

BRM
09-10-2008, 04:05 PM
Both pitchers are looking pretty good so far.

Degenerate39
09-10-2008, 04:06 PM
Who is this announcer?

BRM
09-10-2008, 04:08 PM
For those watching on TV, how does Andy Phillips look at 2B today? Has he made Dusty look like a genius?

OnBaseMachine
09-10-2008, 04:08 PM
Who is this announcer?

Jim Kelch, the Louisville announcer. He's real good IMO.

OnBaseMachine
09-10-2008, 04:09 PM
For those watching on TV, how does Andy Phillips look at 2B today? Has he made Dusty look like a genius?

He hasn't screwed up anything yet. ;)

Kapler singles past EdE with two outs.

BRM
09-10-2008, 04:09 PM
He hasn't screwed up anything yet. ;)


Steadiness = Genius

OnBaseMachine
09-10-2008, 04:11 PM
Cameron K's on a 2-2 fastball. 1-0 Brewers after four innings.

BRM
09-10-2008, 04:12 PM
Time to put on my Rally Sweatbands.

OnBaseMachine
09-10-2008, 04:14 PM
Time to put on my Rally Sweatbands.

Nice. Andy Phillips bloops a single to begin the 5th inning.

BRM
09-10-2008, 04:15 PM
Nice. Andy Phillips bloops a single to begin the 5th inning.

Genius. Baker knew what he was doing when he started Andy.

BRM
09-10-2008, 04:16 PM
Hanigan singles. Two on, none out.

OnBaseMachine
09-10-2008, 04:16 PM
Hanigan singles.

Chip R
09-10-2008, 04:17 PM
Time to put on my Rally Sweatbands.


Got your rally toothpick too?

BRM
09-10-2008, 04:18 PM
Got your rally toothpick too?

I save that for the late innings.

BRM
09-10-2008, 04:18 PM
Arroyo seems to be having trouble getting the bunt down.

OnBaseMachine
09-10-2008, 04:18 PM
Two foul bunts and then Arroyo K's swinging.

BRM
09-10-2008, 04:18 PM
Two foul bunts and then Arroyo K's swinging.

I blame your negativity.

OnBaseMachine
09-10-2008, 04:19 PM
Hairston 3-run homerun! Holy cow. 3-1 Reds.

BRM
09-10-2008, 04:20 PM
I need to try these Rally Sweatbands at home.

cumberlandreds
09-10-2008, 04:20 PM
Time to put on my Rally Sweatbands.

I think we have found the key to the Reds success. :)

Matt700wlw
09-10-2008, 04:21 PM
:jump:

BRM
09-10-2008, 04:21 PM
Andy Phillips started this rally. Let us not forget.

OnBaseMachine
09-10-2008, 04:23 PM
Votto K's again. Rough day for him. I was a little surprised to see him in there against Sabathia.

BRM
09-10-2008, 04:23 PM
Joey is working towards the Golden Sombrero.

BRM
09-10-2008, 04:24 PM
OBM still refuses to acknowledge the genius of starting Andy Phillips today...

OnBaseMachine
09-10-2008, 04:26 PM
OBM still refuses to acknowledge the genius of starting Andy Phillips today...

:D

Counsell singles up the middle. That's a ball BP probably gets a glove on at least.

BRM
09-10-2008, 04:27 PM
:D

Counsell singles up the middle. That's a ball BP probably gets a glove on at least.

Andy was probably shading him to pull.

OnBaseMachine
09-10-2008, 04:27 PM
Kendall pops out.

BRM
09-10-2008, 04:28 PM
Kendall pops out.

...to Phillips.

OnBaseMachine
09-10-2008, 04:28 PM
Sabathia doubles to RF, Counsell holds at third. Good grief.

Chip R
09-10-2008, 04:29 PM
I need to try these Rally Sweatbands at home.

:pimp:

BRM
09-10-2008, 04:29 PM
It's my fault. I forgot to remove the sweatbands after the Reds half of the inning.

BRM
09-10-2008, 04:30 PM
:pimp:

You know what I'm talking about. ;)

OnBaseMachine
09-10-2008, 04:30 PM
Durham walks to load the bases with one out for Hardy.

OnBaseMachine
09-10-2008, 04:32 PM
Edwin!!! Diving grab by EdE and turns it into a doubleplay! 3-1 Reds after five innings. What a great play.

cumberlandreds
09-10-2008, 04:32 PM
BA just wanted to make the inning interesting.

BRM
09-10-2008, 04:33 PM
Edwin!!! Diving grab by EdE and turns it into a doubleplay! 3-1 Reds after five innings. What a great play.

Again, no props for Phillips who made the turn at 2B.

OnBaseMachine
09-10-2008, 04:35 PM
EdE doubles to begin the 6th inning.

Chip R
09-10-2008, 04:35 PM
Again, no props for Phillips who made the turn at 2B.


Andy, stop posting during the game. :p:

OnBaseMachine
09-10-2008, 04:36 PM
Bruce smokes a single to RF, EdE holds at third. Bruce has looked good against Sabathia today.

BRM
09-10-2008, 04:37 PM
Andy, stop posting during the game. :p:

:D

Did Bruce really attempt to lay down a bunt on the first pitch?

oneupper
09-10-2008, 04:37 PM
Bruce smokes a single to RF, EdE holds at third. Bruce has looked good against Sabathia today.

I wonder what the initial bunt attempt by Bruce was all about?

BRM
09-10-2008, 04:38 PM
Gameday says there is an injury delay. Who got hurt?

reds44
09-10-2008, 04:39 PM
Gameday says there is an injury delay. Who got hurt?
Gabe Ruth

OnBaseMachine
09-10-2008, 04:39 PM
Gameday says there is an injury delay. Who got hurt?

Kapler.

For the second straight atbat Cabrera makes an out on the first pitch. Good grief. First and third with one out now.

BRM
09-10-2008, 04:41 PM
Kapler.

For the second straight atbat Cabrera makes an out on the first pitch. Good grief. First and third with one out now.

You gotta swing the bat to be dangerous.

OnBaseMachine
09-10-2008, 04:41 PM
Andy, stop posting during the game. :p:

Hmmm. Andy Phillips steps in to bat and BRM mysteriously disappears.

OnBaseMachine
09-10-2008, 04:42 PM
BRM swings at a 2-2 pitch at his ankles and grounds to Counsell who throws EdE out at the plate.

reds44
09-10-2008, 04:42 PM
So that's why Jolbert and Andy are in the lineup.

OnBaseMachine
09-10-2008, 04:44 PM
Hanigan flies out. The Reds had runners on first and third with nobody out and failed to score. That will probably come back to bite them in the butt.

BRM
09-10-2008, 04:44 PM
Andy tried to let Hanigan be the hero there. Ryan couldn't get it done.

PuffyPig
09-10-2008, 04:45 PM
For the second straight atbat Cabrera makes an out on the first pitch. Good grief. First and third with one out now.



Lets forget the fact he picked a good pitch a smoked a line drive.

Good hitting is all about picking good pitches to hit, and hitting them hard.

Caberra did just that.

Chip R
09-10-2008, 04:45 PM
I wonder what the initial bunt attempt by Bruce was all about?


Could be a fake to get the infield to come in a step.

OnBaseMachine
09-10-2008, 04:47 PM
Lets forget the fact he picked a good pitch a smoked a line drive.

Good hitting is all about picking good pitches to hit, and hitting them hard.

Caberra did just that.

And the time before that he grounded out weakly on the first pitch. I don't mind good hitters swinging at the first pitch but not guys like Jolbert Cabrera.

PuffyPig
09-10-2008, 04:48 PM
Hanigan flies out. The Reds had runners on first and third with nobody out and failed to score. That will probably come back to bite them in the butt.


The Brewers had the bases loaded and one out and failed to score. And didn't have the bottom of their lineup at bat.

The Reds had a line drive out and a ground ball in which the third baseman made a great throw. And then with two outs, another line drive out. They did at least get their bat on the ball but didn't get much luck. Sabathia ia a pretty tough pitcher to do that against.

Getting runners on base is no guarantee that they will score. Even for the opposition.

OnBaseMachine
09-10-2008, 04:48 PM
Braun grounds out to Phillips.

cumberlandreds
09-10-2008, 04:49 PM
Marty making his pitch for the Reds to keep A. Phillips next season.

BRM
09-10-2008, 04:49 PM
Phillips looking silky smooth at 2B.

reds44
09-10-2008, 04:50 PM
Marty making his pitch for the Reds to keep A. Phillips next season.
You are kidding right?

OnBaseMachine
09-10-2008, 04:50 PM
Fielder K's.

OnBaseMachine
09-10-2008, 04:50 PM
Marty making his pitch for the Reds to keep A. Phillips next season.

Why Marty?

BRM
09-10-2008, 04:50 PM
Marty and Dusty are probably on the same page on that one.

cumberlandreds
09-10-2008, 04:50 PM
You are kidding right?

I kid you not.

PuffyPig
09-10-2008, 04:51 PM
And the time before that he grounded out weakly on the first pitch. I don't mind good hitters swinging at the first pitch but not guys like Jolbert Cabrera.


You tell Caberra to take first pitch strikes all the time, and he'll be an even worse hitter.

You can't make great pitchers throw first pitch balls just to make the hitter better. Surprisingly, great pitchers throw alot of first pitch strikes.

But I would never complain about a batter who hits a first pitch line drive.

BRM
09-10-2008, 04:52 PM
I kid you not.

It's not surprising to me.

reds44
09-10-2008, 04:52 PM
I kid you not.
Hairston is a guy we should keep around, not Phillips.

PuffyPig
09-10-2008, 04:53 PM
Marty and Dusty are probably on the same page on that one.

That's not a book that will ever find it's way into my library.

Chip R
09-10-2008, 04:53 PM
Why Marty?


Can't have too many scrappy vets on the team.

BRM
09-10-2008, 04:53 PM
That's not a book that will ever find it's way into my library.

No worries. OBM owns enough of those books for all of us.

OnBaseMachine
09-10-2008, 04:54 PM
Gwynn grounds out to EdE to end the 6th inning. 3-1 Reds after six.

Arroyo: 6 IP, 4 H, 0 ER, 3 BB, 3 K, 101 pitches.

OnBaseMachine
09-10-2008, 04:55 PM
No worries. OBM owns enough of those books for all of us.

I have three shelves full of them.

BRM
09-10-2008, 04:56 PM
I have three shelves full of them.

Most are probably autographed by Brenneman I expect.

reds44
09-10-2008, 04:56 PM
Arroyo hits for himself.

Oh that's a swell idea.

OnBaseMachine
09-10-2008, 04:56 PM
Arroyo has thrown 101 pitches in six innings and is due to lead off the 7th inning but Dusty decides to keep him in the game.

And he reaches on a swinging bunt single.

Chip R
09-10-2008, 04:56 PM
Can't say enough about the way Bronson's been pitching over the past couple months.

reds44
09-10-2008, 04:56 PM
Arroyo hits for himself.

Oh that's a swell idea.
And he gets a bunt hit.

hahaha

BRM
09-10-2008, 04:57 PM
Arroyo's BA is getting closer to Patterson's now.

reds44
09-10-2008, 04:58 PM
Gotta love the Brewers announcers ripping the Reds.

Chip R
09-10-2008, 04:59 PM
And he gets a bunt hit.

hahaha

http://img2.abload.de/img/simpsons_nelson_haha2uwr.jpg

BRM
09-10-2008, 04:59 PM
Gotta love the Brewers announcers ripping the Reds.

Who are they ripping? FO or the team?

oneupper
09-10-2008, 04:59 PM
And he reaches on a swinging bunt single.

No...that was a bunt bunt. Pretty one, too.

reds44
09-10-2008, 05:00 PM
I love doing this to the Brewers. Only negative is that it helps the Cubs.

reds44
09-10-2008, 05:01 PM
Who are they ripping? FO or the team?
Team. Talking about how everbody in this league has talent, but the true talent shows under pressure. Says the Reds are just playing sandlot ball.

Chip R
09-10-2008, 05:01 PM
No...that was a bunt bunt. Pretty one, too.


I'd like to see pitchers do that more often.

Kc61
09-10-2008, 05:01 PM
Arroyo has thrown 101 pitches in six innings and is due to lead off the 7th inning but Dusty decides to keep him in the game.

And he reaches on a swinging bunt single.

FWIW, I don't think Dusty views 100 pitches as a magic number of any kind. Seems to me, just from following all these games, that he views 120 as a magic number. Many of the Reds starters seem to get pulled after a good performance in the 120 range.

BRM
09-10-2008, 05:01 PM
Team. Talking about how everbody in this league has talent, but the true talent shows under pressure. Says the Reds are just playing sandlot ball.

Wow. What does that say about their team's current play then?

OnBaseMachine
09-10-2008, 05:02 PM
Hairston popped out. Kepp singles.

Votto K's again. He's now 0-for-9 with 7 K's in his career against Sabathia. Again, I can't believe Rosales didn't get a start at 1B today.

BRM
09-10-2008, 05:03 PM
And there it is. Votto gets the Golden Sombrero today.

BRM
09-10-2008, 05:03 PM
Again, I can't believe Rosales didn't get a start at 1B today.

Integrity, dude.

OnBaseMachine
09-10-2008, 05:05 PM
EdE grounds out. 3-1 Reds after 6 1/2. I hope pushing Bronson back out there for another inning works better this time than it did last time.

redsmetz
09-10-2008, 05:06 PM
I love doing this to the Brewers. Only negative is that it helps the Cubs.

Remember 1999 - we sink who we're playing now, the Cubs are no worry to us at the moment...

BRM
09-10-2008, 05:08 PM
Cameron, Counsell and Kendall due up for Milwaukee.

BRM
09-10-2008, 05:10 PM
Cameron walks to start the inning.

BRM
09-10-2008, 05:14 PM
Kendall singles scoring Cameron, then advances to second on the throwing error by Kepp.

OnBaseMachine
09-10-2008, 05:16 PM
Kendall singles scoring Cameron, then advances to second on the throwing error by Kepp.

That was an error all the way. Giving him a single is a joke. Jeff Keppinger is NOT a shortstop.

OnBaseMachine
09-10-2008, 05:18 PM
Durham grounds out to end the inning but Keppinger gives them a run to make it 3-2 after seven innings.

Arroyo: 7 IP, 5 H, 0 ER, 4 BB, 3 K

BRM
09-10-2008, 05:18 PM
Durham grounds out to ANDY PHILLIPS. Inning over, 3-2 Reds.

Chip R
09-10-2008, 05:19 PM
That was an error all the way. Giving him a single is a joke. Jeff Keppinger is NOT a shortstop. He's awful.


I heard a little bit of the game last night and in the 8th inning, I think, EE had to make a diving stop on a ball and threw in the dirt. Marty and Jeff were both saying that they didn't think the Reds could win with him at 3rd. Of course I'm sure Keppinger got a free pass.

Tony Cloninger
09-10-2008, 05:19 PM
And Votto needs to learn to get in front of the ball........I mean we already know Keppinger has no great range but that is one of the very, very rare times he has thrown a ball away like that.

Please don't tell OBM that 120 pitches is the magic marker for pitches....for Dusty.....he goes into a chicken little dance anytime a pitcher is at or near 100 pitches. ;)

OnBaseMachine
09-10-2008, 05:19 PM
That's the second straight start Arroyo has thrown 120+ pitches.

BRM
09-10-2008, 05:20 PM
Bronson is at 120 pitches exactly after 7 innings.

BRM
09-10-2008, 05:21 PM
Guillermo Mota on to pitch for the Brewers.

Bruce, Cabrera and PHILLIPS due up for the Reds.

OnBaseMachine
09-10-2008, 05:21 PM
The nasty shadows are back.

OnBaseMachine
09-10-2008, 05:22 PM
Bruce works the count to 3-2 and K's swinging on a fastball.

BRM
09-10-2008, 05:23 PM
Patterson pinch-hitting for Cabrera.

OnBaseMachine
09-10-2008, 05:23 PM
Corey Patterson pinch hits for Cabrera. And he grounds out on the first pitch. LOL.

BRM
09-10-2008, 05:23 PM
Corey Patterson pinch hits for Cabrera. And he grounds out on the first pitch. LOL.

Looked way outside on Gameday.

BRM
09-10-2008, 05:24 PM
Richar hitting for PHILLIPS.

Doc. Scott
09-10-2008, 05:24 PM
Richar hits for Phillips. Someone's not gonna like that one...

OnBaseMachine
09-10-2008, 05:24 PM
Richar lines out on the first pitch.

Doc. Scott
09-10-2008, 05:24 PM
Danny hacks at the first pitch and lines out to short. Hit it hard, at least.

BRM
09-10-2008, 05:25 PM
Aggressive pinch-hitters. I'm sure Dusty is thrilled.

Degenerate39
09-10-2008, 05:26 PM
Jim Kelch, the Louisville announcer. He's real good IMO.

Hes an improvement over George that's for sure.

BRM
09-10-2008, 05:26 PM
Does Bronson come back out for the 8th?

BRM
09-10-2008, 05:27 PM
OBM's favorite reliever, David Weathers, will pitch the 8th.

Doc. Scott
09-10-2008, 05:28 PM
Three times in four days for a reliever again.

RedsManRick
09-10-2008, 05:28 PM
Arroyo with 120 pitches today. Dusty has an enormous bullpen and just can't help but push starters to the limit every day. This is precisely what happened in Chicago. Come August & September, he leaned even more heavily on his horses. Of course, back then he had a playoff race as justification. Now he's using other people's playoff races...

The man just doesn't seem to have a sense of proportion when it comes to the value of a single game versus management of assets for the long term. It's not just stupid, it's selfish.

And who comes out to pitch the 8th? One of the fresh arms? Of course not.

BRM
09-10-2008, 05:28 PM
And he promptly gives up a single to Hardy.

Chip R
09-10-2008, 05:29 PM
Arroyo with 120 pitches today. Dusty has an enormous bullpen and just can't help but push starters to the limit every day. This is precisely what happened in Chicago. Come August & September, he leaned even more heavily on his horses. Of course, back then he had a playoff race as justification. Now he's using other people's playoff races...

The man just doesn't seem to have a sense of proportion when it comes to the value of a single game versus management of assets for the long term. It's not just stupid, it's selfish.


So, we need to put you down as anti-Dusty?

OnBaseMachine
09-10-2008, 05:29 PM
Man I hope they don't bring Weathers back next season.

BRM
09-10-2008, 05:29 PM
So, we need to put you down as anti-Dusty?

RMR stole my toothpick.

BRM
09-10-2008, 05:31 PM
Braun walks.

OnBaseMachine
09-10-2008, 05:31 PM
And now Weathers walks Braun. All these news pitchers and he decides to use Weathers.

OnBaseMachine
09-10-2008, 05:31 PM
Bray made Fielder look foolish last night but Dusty decides to stay with Weathers.

Doc. Scott
09-10-2008, 05:32 PM
And Prince promptly singles to load the bases with none out.

BRM
09-10-2008, 05:32 PM
This is just beautiful. At least the integrity of the playoff races is intact.

OnBaseMachine
09-10-2008, 05:32 PM
Fielder singles. Bases loaded and Weathers is still in there.

Doc. Scott
09-10-2008, 05:33 PM
Another left-handed hitter, Tony Gwynn Jr., steps in. Bray would have been a better pick to face him, too.

Chip R
09-10-2008, 05:33 PM
This is just beautiful. At least the integrity of the playoff races is intact.


That's right. Who cares if we lose as long as the integrity is intact.

BRM
09-10-2008, 05:34 PM
You just can't trust a young pitcher in this type of situation....apparently.

OnBaseMachine
09-10-2008, 05:34 PM
Gwynn ties the game by grounding into a doubleplay.

Chip R
09-10-2008, 05:35 PM
You can just can't trust a young pitcher in this type of situation....apparently.


I would have liked to have seen Herrera against Prince and Gwynn.

BRM
09-10-2008, 05:35 PM
I would have liked to have seen Herrera against Prince and Gwynn.

Herrera or Bray either one.

Chip R
09-10-2008, 05:36 PM
Herrerra or Bray either one.


I'd like to see Prince tie himself in knots trying to hit Herrera's change.

BRM
09-10-2008, 05:37 PM
Another run scores on Cameron's RBI single.

OnBaseMachine
09-10-2008, 05:38 PM
4-3 Brewers on a Cameron RBI single.

Chalk up another loss to Dusty Baker and David Weathers, my two least favorite people in the Reds organization.;)

BRM
09-10-2008, 05:38 PM
integrity, integrity, integrity, integrity

Ltlabner
09-10-2008, 05:39 PM
Earlier in the game Marty started to say something about the clubhouse giving Harriston JR the cold sholder and ignoring him after the homer?

He (Marty) intrupted himself to call a play but then didn't go back to the comment.

Any ideas what this was about or did I not hear him correctly?

Ltlabner
09-10-2008, 05:39 PM
4-3 Brewers on a Cameron RBI single.

Chalk up another loss to Dusty Baker and David Weathers, my two least favorite people in the Reds organization.;)

Integrity man.

It's all about the integrity.

OnBaseMachine
09-10-2008, 05:40 PM
Patterson makes a nice play to end the inning. 4-3 Brewers after eight innings.

BRM
09-10-2008, 05:40 PM
Integrity man.

It's all about the integrity.

This man gets it.

BRM
09-10-2008, 05:40 PM
Patterson makes a nice play to end the inning. 4-3 Brewers after eight innings.

OBM complimented Patterson. :eek:

OnBaseMachine
09-10-2008, 05:41 PM
Earlier in the game Marty started to say something about the clubhouse giving Harriston JR the cold sholder and ignoring him after the homer?

He (Marty) intrupted himself to call a play but then didn't go back to the comment.

Any ideas what this was about or did I not hear him correctly?

They were just messing with him. After his homerun everyone just sit on the bench and ignored him for a minute. That trick is usually pulled on rookies after hitting their first major league homerun.

Ltlabner
09-10-2008, 05:42 PM
They were just messing with him. After his homerun everyone just sit on the bench and ignored him for a minute. That trick is usually pulled on rookies after hitting their first major league homerun.

Roger.

Figured it might be something like that (or that I completley miss-heard what Marty said). But for a second I thought there might be some major rift in the clubhouse.

Thanks.

Chip R
09-10-2008, 05:42 PM
OBM complimented Patterson. :eek:


One of the signs of the Apocolypse?

BRM
09-10-2008, 05:42 PM
Time to put the Rally Sweatbands back on.

PuffyPig
09-10-2008, 05:43 PM
4-3 Brewers on a Cameron RBI single.

Chalk up another loss to Dusty Baker and David Weathers, my two least favorite people in the Reds organization.;)

Since June 1st, Weathers has an ERA of 2.47. It's not like he's Majewski out here.

BRM
09-10-2008, 05:43 PM
Castillo hitting for Hanigan.

BRM
09-10-2008, 05:45 PM
Castillo K's. Javy hitting for Weathers.

BRM
09-10-2008, 05:46 PM
Javy just swung at a pitch that had to be 2 feet outside.

Chip R
09-10-2008, 05:46 PM
Castillo K's. Javy hitting for Weathers.


Maybe he can go to 2nd on a double switch.

BRM
09-10-2008, 05:47 PM
Javy K's swinging. Dickerson hitting for Hairston.

OnBaseMachine
09-10-2008, 05:47 PM
What a frustrating loss. I hope Jocketty is watching. Please bring in your own manager Walt. Please. Save us from the suffering.

OnBaseMachine
09-10-2008, 05:49 PM
David Weathers is 0-4 with a 8.75 ERA against the Brewers this year. You think we could get the Brewers to pay the rest of his contract for pushing them into the playoffs?

_Sir_Charles_
09-10-2008, 05:50 PM
*sigh* Weathers. 'nuff said. *sigh*

BRM
09-10-2008, 05:51 PM
Tough loss today. Bronson pitched a good game.

RichRed
09-10-2008, 05:54 PM
What a frustrating loss. I hope Jocketty is watching. Please bring in your own manager Walt. Please. Save us from the suffering.

"These aren't my players, dude!"

Kc61
09-10-2008, 05:55 PM
Weathers did not pitch in the first Milwaukee game. He was a reasonable choice for the 8th inning today.

Chip R
09-10-2008, 05:55 PM
David Weathers is 0-4 with a 8.75 ERA against the Brewers this year. You think we could get the Brewers to pay the rest of his contract for pushing them into the playoffs?


*sigh* Weathers. 'nuff said. *sigh*


I don't blame Weathers. I blame Dusty for using him 3 days in a row. If you're a reliever, sometimes you get the bear and sometimes it gets you. Got a day off tomorrow and then down to Adam Dunn Land.

BRM
09-10-2008, 05:58 PM
Weathers did not pitch in the first Milwaukee game. He was a reasonable choice for the 8th inning today.

I don't know that he was the reasonable choice to face Fielder and Gwynn though.

_Sir_Charles_
09-10-2008, 05:58 PM
I don't blame Weathers. I blame Dusty for using him 3 days in a row. If you're a reliever, sometimes you get the bear and sometimes it gets you. Got a day off tomorrow and then down to Adam Dunn Land.

Okay, YOU may not blame him, but I sure do. His numbers may look good this year and last year, but a lot of it is smoke & mirrors. He's extremely hittable. I've seen VERY few innings out of him the past 2 years where he didn't cause himself some trouble only to luck out of it. He didn't get his usual breaks today. He needs to be gone yesterday.

RedsManRick
09-10-2008, 06:25 PM
Okay, YOU may not blame him, but I sure do. His numbers may look good this year and last year, but a lot of it is smoke & mirrors. He's extremely hittable. I've seen VERY few innings out of him the past 2 years where he didn't cause himself some trouble only to luck out of it. He didn't get his usual breaks today. He needs to be gone yesterday.

He is what he is. All he can do is go out there and give his best. It is Weathers' fault that he allowed 2 runs.

But is Dusty's fault that he overused Weathers and put him in to the game in a situation in which a allowing runs would cost us a game.

WVRedsFan
09-10-2008, 06:26 PM
I didn't get to see the game today and only got to listen to a part of it, but what a disappointment. Up 3-1 in the 7th and leave the bases loaded? An error early on leads to a run (as they always seem to do with the Reds) and that's what beat us?

The team is playing better, but the flaws stick out. This should have been a sweep were it not for the error and some real shoddy pitching by Weathers. I might remind Dusty that there was no reason to leave Weathers in there to get his brains beat out. The reason he didn't use Bray is that he's not dependable if used too much. He pitched the last two days, so he was out. Same with Burton. All that was left was Weathers (who is supposed to have a rubber arm and he proved it today) and the kids. The kids will rot on the bench before he'll put them in a pressure situation.

Coulda, shoulda, woulda.

oneupper
09-10-2008, 06:40 PM
Low expections + playing out the string = meh.

We stole a couple from the Brewers and now they returned the favor. The worst thing about this one, for me is not tagging CC for the loss.

In the end, the "Meat Loaf" philosophy for this series is fine with me.

Kc61
09-10-2008, 06:51 PM
I don't blame Weathers. I blame Dusty for using him 3 days in a row. If you're a reliever, sometimes you get the bear and sometimes it gets you. Got a day off tomorrow and then down to Adam Dunn Land.

Weathers wasn't used three days in a row. That's why he pitched, I would assume, he didn't pitch in game one.

Kc61
09-10-2008, 06:52 PM
I don't know that he was the reasonable choice to face Fielder and Gwynn though.

Agreed.

gm
09-10-2008, 07:08 PM
I don't know that he was the reasonable choice to face Fielder and Gwynn though.

Weathers has that front-door, two-seamer that can freeze LHB. I didn't see the 8th inning, but it sounds like that K pitch wasn't working for Stormy today

Hindsight is 20/20, but giving Votto the day off and playing Phillips/Rosales at 1b/2b would've made sense...unless Dusty wanted Votto to get some ABs versus a tough LH like CC? (re: learning curve for Joey, not "playoff integrity")