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Red in Chicago
09-12-2008, 04:06 PM
Harang vs Webb

Lineups later tonight

Red in Chicago
09-12-2008, 09:47 PM
can someone post lineup. I'm not home yet.

_Sir_Charles_
09-12-2008, 09:49 PM
Dickerson, lf
Richar, ss
Votto, 1b
Encarnacion, 3b
Bruce, rf
Castillo, 2b
Patterson, cf
Bako, c
Harang, rhp


Drew, ss
Eckstein, 2b
Young, cf
Dunn, c .... just kidding. lf
Reynolds, 3b
Tracy, 1b
Snyder, c
Upton, rf
Webb, p

OnBaseMachine
09-12-2008, 09:49 PM
Lineup:

Dickerson, lf

Richar, ss

Votto, 1b

Encarnacion, 3b

Bruce, rf

Castillo, 2b

Patterson, cf

Bako, c

Harang, rhp

I thought Cueto was scheduled to pitch tonight but it appears he's been pushed back to Sunday.

Matt700wlw
09-12-2008, 09:56 PM
Owings should pitch :D

alloverjr
09-12-2008, 10:17 PM
OK. Since Dusty values my opinion and reads this site:

Richar at SS - I like.

Patterson and Bako? Seriously? I thought Bako worked with the young guys. That's what made him "special". But the vet's on the mound. And no matter what arm Webb throws with, do we really think these 2 guys are better options than Hanigan and Harriston? Integrity, please.

A question: does Dickerson project to be a CF or corner guy?

_Sir_Charles_
09-12-2008, 10:25 PM
Owings should pitch :D

Dusty just now stated...."No, he won't pitch". They're going to give him more time to heal his shoulder. Good.

Matt700wlw
09-12-2008, 10:30 PM
I was kidding. Let him hit only for now

RedsManRick
09-12-2008, 10:37 PM
And Bako is catching... why? What's today's excuse?

RedsManRick
09-12-2008, 10:39 PM
Holy crap. Take a pitch guys -- it won't kill ya.

CTA513
09-12-2008, 10:39 PM
5 pitch inning for Webb

dougdirt
09-12-2008, 10:39 PM
And Bako is catching... why? What's today's excuse?

He is good with Harang :confused: I just really wish someone would step in and be like look, Hanigan must start at least 4 times a week at catcher.

OnBaseMachine
09-12-2008, 10:44 PM
Harang throws a 1-2-3 first inning.

RedsManRick
09-12-2008, 10:45 PM
Grounder to EE and he sets his feet well and fires a perfect throw to first. He's certainly got the skills -- just needs to be consistent with them.

_Sir_Charles_
09-12-2008, 10:46 PM
Considering what people have been saying about Castillo defensively (at Catcher), I wouldn't mind seeing him get a start or two. But he's a switch-hitter that can't hit from one side (can't recall which).

OnBaseMachine
09-12-2008, 10:47 PM
EdE begins the inning by hammering a 410 foot flyball that Chris Young tracks down.

_Sir_Charles_
09-12-2008, 10:47 PM
Wind is REALLY picking up here. But I'm gonna enjoy the Reds game for as long as I've got power tonight.

OnBaseMachine
09-12-2008, 10:49 PM
Bruce got ahead 3-0, took a couple borderline strikes, and then popped out.

Degenerate39
09-12-2008, 10:49 PM
I'm sorry but I'm rooting for Dunn. I want him to do good but the Reds still win!

alloverjr
09-12-2008, 10:50 PM
Maybe I've not paid close enough attention but it looked like EE was holding his hands a little lower, which may make hime quicker to the ball. Maybe something garnered from ED?

Degenerate39
09-12-2008, 10:54 PM
I can't get use to Big Dunn in a D-Backs uniform.

OnBaseMachine
09-12-2008, 10:55 PM
It feels weird being on the other side of a Dunn atbat. He flies out to Bruce on a 2-2 pitch. Reynolds grounds out.

OnBaseMachine
09-12-2008, 10:58 PM
Tracy flies out to Patterson. Six up six down for Harang.

OnBaseMachine
09-12-2008, 11:08 PM
Webb K's to end the third inning. Nine up nine down.

_Sir_Charles_
09-12-2008, 11:12 PM
Aaron looking sharp...but so's Webb unfortunately.

Degenerate39
09-12-2008, 11:12 PM
Who says Dunn can't play Defense

_Sir_Charles_
09-12-2008, 11:13 PM
Dunn's getting a workout tonight. Lots of deep drives. No results, but hard hit balls.

OnBaseMachine
09-12-2008, 11:13 PM
You just knew that was going to happen. Dunn makes a nice catch to rob Richar of extra bases.

TheBurn
09-12-2008, 11:13 PM
Nicely done AD...

_Sir_Charles_
09-12-2008, 11:16 PM
Votto walks, Edwin singles. 1st & second, 2 down though.

_Sir_Charles_
09-12-2008, 11:19 PM
Jay flies out deep to center to end the inning. No results off of Webb yet, but we do seem to be making solid hard contact. And for some odd reason, fly balls for the most part?

OnBaseMachine
09-12-2008, 11:26 PM
-Drew singles
-Eckstein flies out
-Young grounds into fielders choice, Drew out at second
-Young steals 2nd

Dunn up

OnBaseMachine
09-12-2008, 11:29 PM
Dunn flies out to deep left. Nice catch by Dickerson in foul territory. No score after four innings.

Matt700wlw
09-12-2008, 11:30 PM
Wow...Dickerson!

CTA513
09-12-2008, 11:38 PM
Reynolds gets a hustle double on what should have been a single to Patterson.

RedsManRick
09-12-2008, 11:39 PM
That needs to be a single and an error. I hate crap like that going on the pitcher's record. Patterson is responsible for Reynolds being on 2B.

OnBaseMachine
09-12-2008, 11:42 PM
Teams just run all over Bako.

dougdirt
09-12-2008, 11:43 PM
Teams just run all over Bako.

But he is a good catcher.

OnBaseMachine
09-12-2008, 11:46 PM
Webb K's to end the inning. No score after five.

OnBaseMachine
09-12-2008, 11:49 PM
Dickerson is 2-for-3 against Webb.

dougdirt
09-12-2008, 11:51 PM
Well that was as predictable as anything I have ever seen.....

OnBaseMachine
09-12-2008, 11:52 PM
Dickerson caught stealing on a pitch out. Richar follows with a double to deep right.

OnBaseMachine
09-12-2008, 11:52 PM
Votto flies out to the warning track to end the inning. No score after 5 1/2.

RedsManRick
09-12-2008, 11:53 PM
Sigh. Stealing bases costs most teams more runs than it generates. Votto's inning ending deep fly is a run scoring sac fly if Dickerson stays put. I HATE running in to outs -- especially when getting on base in the first place is so difficult.

dougdirt
09-12-2008, 11:57 PM
Sigh. Stealing bases costs most teams more runs than it generates.

I just wish teams understood that. 90% of them just don't get that.

dougdirt
09-12-2008, 11:57 PM
Well, that was easy. 1-0 Dbacks. Eckstein turns an infield single into a 2 base error and scores from third on a single.

oneupper
09-12-2008, 11:59 PM
That'll be enough.

OnBaseMachine
09-13-2008, 12:00 AM
Just beautiful defense there.

OnBaseMachine
09-13-2008, 12:04 AM
Dunn flies out to deep left.

CTA513
09-13-2008, 12:05 AM
Both of these pitchers are lucky they are playing in Arizona and not Cincinnati.

OnBaseMachine
09-13-2008, 12:07 AM
Reynolds K's to end the inning. 1-0 D-Backs after six innings.

OnBaseMachine
09-13-2008, 12:08 AM
Harang's ERA is down to 4.99 now.

OnBaseMachine
09-13-2008, 12:12 AM
It's looking like that one unearned run will be enough for Webb. 1-0 after 6 1/2.

OnBaseMachine
09-13-2008, 12:16 AM
Harang gets two outs to begin the bottom of the 7th.

OnBaseMachine
09-13-2008, 12:19 AM
Harang throws a 1-2-3 7th inning. 1-0 D-Backs after seven innings.

Harang: 7 IP, 4 H, 1 R, 0 ER, 1 BB, 4 K, 101 pitches.

I'm sure Dusty will send him back out for another inning.

OnBaseMachine
09-13-2008, 12:20 AM
Patterson grounds out to begin the 8th inning. Bako doubles.

RedsManRick
09-13-2008, 12:21 AM
Blind Squirrels, nuts, etc. There better be a pinch runner here. You've got catchers to spare and plenty of bench strength.

OnBaseMachine
09-13-2008, 12:21 AM
Rosales pinch hits for Harang. Great start by Harang. 0 ER in 7 IP.

OnBaseMachine
09-13-2008, 12:23 AM
Rosales K's.

OnBaseMachine
09-13-2008, 12:25 AM
Dickerson walks. He's 2-for-3 with a walk tonight.

OnBaseMachine
09-13-2008, 12:27 AM
Richar grounds out. 1-0 D-Backs after 7 1/2. Looks like another tough loss for Harang.

CTA513
09-13-2008, 12:29 AM
When is Webb a free agent?

lollipopcurve
09-13-2008, 12:29 AM
why would Baker not pinch run for Bako there? He was out there for 3 hitters, any of whom could have singled.

OnBaseMachine
09-13-2008, 12:29 AM
Votto/EdE/Bruce are due up in the 9th. Hopefully the bullpen can keep this a 1-0 game.

OnBaseMachine
09-13-2008, 12:31 AM
Dusty brings in the struggling Jared Burton to pitch the 8th. I guess Roenicke was brought up to be emergency guy in case a game goes into 35 innings.

RedsManRick
09-13-2008, 12:32 AM
And error number 3 on the night gives Salazar third base.

OnBaseMachine
09-13-2008, 12:32 AM
Salazar pinch hits for Webb.

OnBaseMachine
09-13-2008, 12:34 AM
Jared Burton is clearly not healthy right now. I don't understand why they brought him back despite having expanded rosters.

WVRedsFan
09-13-2008, 12:40 AM
Burton doesn't seem to have the same velocity or am I seeing things?

OnBaseMachine
09-13-2008, 12:42 AM
Burton doesn't seem to have the same velocity or am I seeing things?

You're exactly right. A strained oblique can be rough on a pitcher. The best thing to do IMO would have been to shut him down (like you and I and others suggested) and let him rest up for spring training. He's clearly not at his best right now.

WVRedsFan
09-13-2008, 12:42 AM
Burton walks the bases full with Dunn up.

Matt700wlw
09-13-2008, 12:43 AM
Dusty brings in the struggling Jared Burton to pitch the 8th. I guess Roenicke was brought up to be emergency guy in case a game goes into 35 innings.

They may as well send some of these callups back down....clearly they can't be upgrades...they're lacking experience.

Matt700wlw
09-13-2008, 12:44 AM
Bray coming in

WVRedsFan
09-13-2008, 12:44 AM
I haven't read the whole game thread, and it may have already been mentioned, but Marty said he talked to one of the D-Back radio guys and asked them their opinion of Dunn. The response was, "walks a lot, strikes out a lot." Apparently, Dunn's going to face this wherever he goes.

RedsManRick
09-13-2008, 12:46 AM
Jared Burton is clearly not healthy right now. I don't understand why they brought him back despite having expanded rosters.

He has experience and experience gets batters out. Duh.

WVRedsFan
09-13-2008, 12:47 AM
Bray = not so good tonight.

Typical .

RedsManRick
09-13-2008, 12:47 AM
Sweet justice. Dunn walks in a run. Take that Dusty.

OnBaseMachine
09-13-2008, 12:48 AM
Dusty Baker is such a poor manager. Just awful. All these extra pitchers and he brings in the injured Burton to give the game away.

WVRedsFan
09-13-2008, 12:48 AM
In comes No. 52 in your program and No. 1 in your hearts after Bray walks in a run. RBI for Dunn

deltachi8
09-13-2008, 12:48 AM
Why does Dunn insist on clogging the bases?

Matt700wlw
09-13-2008, 12:49 AM
Dusty now having to go back to the bullpen multiple times to relieve the experienced guys

OnBaseMachine
09-13-2008, 12:49 AM
Bray had Dunn 0-2 and walked him. Good grief. But it shouldn't have come to that. Using Burton there was an awful move.

OnBaseMachine
09-13-2008, 12:51 AM
And now he brings Lincoln in. LOL. Why not just send Roenicke home so he can begin his offseason?

HokieRed
09-13-2008, 12:51 AM
Bray=1.6+ WHIP. Not part of the long term solution.

WVRedsFan
09-13-2008, 12:53 AM
Once again, Reds bullpen can't find the strike zone, nibbling at the corners, down and in the dirt--3rd straight pitcher to do that. Lincoln gets a K by throwing down the middle.

Interesting. 2 down and 2-0.

RedsManRick
09-13-2008, 12:54 AM
Paul Bako, catcher extraordinaire. Technically a wild pitch, but if the batter swings at it, you should be able to catch it.

OnBaseMachine
09-13-2008, 12:54 AM
Wild pitch/Passed ball makes it 3-0. Nice bullpen management this inning.

CTA513
09-13-2008, 12:55 AM
The Reds are giving away free runs tonight.

alloverjr
09-13-2008, 12:56 AM
Hey, at least they weren't inexperienced runs.

WVRedsFan
09-13-2008, 12:56 AM
Lincoln throws in the dirt again, it gets by Bako and it's 3-0. Game over (as if it wasn't at 1-0)

K to end the inning. When you don't score, it doesn't matter how many the bad guys get I guess.

Take away Harang's error and using a different set of pitchers in the 8th and we could still be scoreless, but we need to score more runs and play better defense against a good pitcher. We didn't.

WVRedsFan
09-13-2008, 12:57 AM
Dunn at 1st base. Horror of horrors.

Matt700wlw
09-13-2008, 12:58 AM
Somebody needs to remind Dusty why he has extra pitchers at his disposal....

Matt700wlw
09-13-2008, 01:00 AM
Dunn at 1st base. Horror of horrors.

Put the children to bed...

WVRedsFan
09-13-2008, 01:00 AM
Somebody needs to remind Dusty why he has extra pitchers at his disposal....
Really, it might have been worse with the kids, and he's trying to win as many as he can. Must be some kind of pressure on him to win for some reason. If I were GM and owner, I'd say "let the kids play and let's see what we've got--and under no circumstances do you play Patterson and Bako for any reason."

WVRedsFan
09-13-2008, 01:03 AM
1st and 2nd with two out with Corey up. What's the use.

Good bit of hitting by Javier--not enough to keep him, but good nonetheless

OnBaseMachine
09-13-2008, 01:06 AM
Patterson reaches on an infield single. Bases loaded with two outs.

WVRedsFan
09-13-2008, 01:06 AM
Junk hit for Patterson. Keppinger up with bases loaded. High hopper. Hmmm. Can a miracle happen?

OnBaseMachine
09-13-2008, 01:07 AM
I'd rather see Hairston here. Too bad it's not still 1-0.

dougdirt
09-13-2008, 01:07 AM
Junk hit for Patterson. Keppinger up with bases loaded. High hopper. Hmmm. Can a miracle happen?

Doubtful.

OnBaseMachine
09-13-2008, 01:09 AM
Keppinger takes ball one. Called strike one. Ball two. Foul. 2-2. Singles to RF. 3-2 ballgame.

WVRedsFan
09-13-2008, 01:09 AM
Keppinger--2 run single. 3-2. Maybe?
That 8th inning now looks large.

Matt700wlw
09-13-2008, 01:10 AM
Hey!!!!

OnBaseMachine
09-13-2008, 01:11 AM
Pitching change. Chad Qualls coming in. That passed ball/wild pitch is looking big now.

OnBaseMachine
09-13-2008, 01:12 AM
Hairston pinch hitting.

OnBaseMachine
09-13-2008, 01:13 AM
Tying run is on third btw.

OnBaseMachine
09-13-2008, 01:15 AM
Hairston takes a called strike, ball one, ball two, fouls a borderline pitch, 2-2. Another foul. Swings and missed a pitch that bounces in front of the plate. What an awful swing.

Reds lose 3-2.

WVRedsFan
09-13-2008, 01:15 AM
Hairston swings on a pitch in the dirt. K. In the end, poor defense and pitching lost this one. Sounds errily familiar.

Matt700wlw
09-13-2008, 01:15 AM
Nice. In the dirt

OnBaseMachine
09-13-2008, 01:16 AM
Hairston swings on a pitch in the dirt. K. In the end, poor defense and pitching lost this one. Sounds errily familiar.

Actually poor defense and offense lost this one. Anytime you allow just three runs you should win. Of course better bullpen management would have been nice.

Matt700wlw
09-13-2008, 01:17 AM
Glad the experience couldn't get it done for the second straight game. That inexperience could have hurt

WVRedsFan
09-13-2008, 01:19 AM
You know the loss doesn't matter much in the whole scheme of things, but you have to look at the the difference in the two teams. Those pitches the DB pitcher was throwing were't that much different in what Burton, Bray, and Lincoln were throwing. The only difference was the D-Backs weren't swinging at those pitches while the Reds hitters were suckers for those pitches. Maybe that's the wrong word, I don't know, but the result is the same.

WVRedsFan
09-13-2008, 01:23 AM
Actually poor defense and offense lost this one. Anytime you allow just three runs you should win. Of course better bullpen management would have been nice.

To be honest, I don't know what I would have done, but you expect Burton and Bray to be better (and that's a stretch because Burton is not himself and Bray is typical Bray--on and off). Throw the kids in there and there's a good chance that it all blows up in your face. The problem is deciding if you want to plan for 2009 or win this season. Apparently, the mantra thrown down is to win now.

Aaron Harang deserves better, but it was by his hand that we lose the game. How ironic.

Matt700wlw
09-13-2008, 01:29 AM
To be honest, I don't know what I would have done, but you expect Burton and Bray to be better (and that's a stretch because Burton is not himself and Bray is typical Bray--on and off). Throw the kids in there and there's a good chance that it all blows up in your face. The problem is deciding if you want to plan for 2009 or win this season. .

Win what this season?

CTA513
09-13-2008, 01:29 AM
I'm guessing Lyon is going to lose his closing job after the way he has pitched lately.

OnBaseMachine
09-13-2008, 01:33 AM
The Dodgers won 7-2 in Colorado so the D-Backs remain 3.5 back with 16 games remaining.

WVRedsFan
09-13-2008, 01:49 AM
Win what this season?

Beats me. You figure it out, i can't. What other explanation is there?

CTA513
09-13-2008, 03:18 AM
Harang this month: 0 Wins - 2 Loses, 2.70 ERA, 20 Innings, 15 Hits, 6 Earned Runs, 6 BB, 13 Ks

Topcat
09-13-2008, 05:28 AM
I haven't read the whole game thread, and it may have already been mentioned, but Marty said he talked to one of the D-Back radio guys and asked them their opinion of Dunn. The response was, "walks a lot, strikes out a lot." Apparently, Dunn's going to face this wherever he goes.

Not to be a jerk but what part of that statement is no accurate. His >ops is spectacular but is is truly based on Home runs and walks. That is a fact and I love Adam Dunn and he would be on my go to war team 25 man roster. But it is a true fact.

Topcat
09-13-2008, 05:39 AM
Dusty yet again in a season lost rides "his" horses hoping the vets can find the light. Dusty wise the damn up it is a season lost , now it is audition time! Try the rising kids and gauge there level now! Ceaper rookies will allow higher acquisitions you dimwit!


Hated the signing and so wish Pete Mack was still running this show. Bob C god knows your opening the wallet but Jesus man ! Analyze the future a vet manager is the last thing you need to run this team. Simply put hire a guy who plays the talewnt and looks at the big picture going forward.

This team is way better than there record and I blame Dusty . The man is a car wreck and this game yet again is an indictment on his Managerial skills.

Matt700wlw
09-13-2008, 09:52 AM
Beats me. You figure it out, i can't. What other explanation is there?

I have nothing.

Ltlabner
09-13-2008, 10:08 AM
Jared Burton is clearly not healthy right now. I don't understand why they brought him back despite having expanded rosters.

All about the integtrity man.

Ltlabner
09-13-2008, 10:09 AM
Sweet justice. Dunn walks in a run. Take that Dusty.

Wait a sec.

I thought walks were useless because they didn't move the runner over and result in runs?

Tony Cloninger
09-13-2008, 01:14 PM
Don't know why Webb was even removed....I know 100 pitches is the magical number for several people but to me ...with this shaky AZ bullpen.....i would have kept him out there.

It stinks that he continues to play patterson and bako...but at least he played Richar and castillo.