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Red in Chicago
09-13-2008, 07:50 PM
Cincinnati
J. Hairston Jr. cf
J. Keppinger ss
J. Votto 1b
E. Encarnacion 3b
J. Cabrera lf
J. Bruce rf
A. Rosales 2b
R. Hanigan c
E. Volquez p

Arizona
S. Drew ss
A. Ojeda 2b
C. Young cf
A. Dunn lf
M. Reynolds 3b
C. Tracy 1b
M. Montero c
J. Upton rf
R. Johnson p

Red in Chicago
09-13-2008, 09:14 PM
votto with a nice rbi double...

RedsManRick
09-13-2008, 09:18 PM
Dusty again playing the lineup that he thinks has the best chance of winning -- hence the few lefties, including no Patterson, Bako, or Dickerson.

I mean this in a non-judgemental way, but winning tonight is clearly Dusty's priority #1, with getting the most exposure for the young guys who might be contributors next year a distant #2.

Personally, I'd much rather get a look at Dickerson against the tough lefty, even if he goes 0-4, than give more AB to Jolbert Cabrera. I just hope one of us is blowing out the other so we can finally see Roenicke.

mbgrayson
09-13-2008, 09:29 PM
Our home plate ump tonight is Bob Davidson. His average is 7.97 runs/game, 13.7 Ks/game, 7.0 BBs/game, for a 2.0 Ks/BB rate. His runs/game average is one of the lower in MLB according to the umpire report (http://www.vegasinsider.com/mlb/stats/umpire-report/).

Red in Chicago
09-13-2008, 09:31 PM
hmm, bako not behind the plate, and the reds actually throw out a runner...nice

RedsManRick
09-13-2008, 09:31 PM
Hannigan took awhile to get the ball out but delivered a very strong, accurate throw and the good tag by Rosales equals Drew caught stealing. Young strikes out on the next pitch to end the inning.

mbgrayson
09-13-2008, 09:32 PM
Through 1 inning: Reds 1, D-Backs 0

Johnson: 27 pitches, 19 strikes.
Volquez: 15 pitches, 8 strikes.

Red in Chicago
09-13-2008, 09:35 PM
george must have a thing for jessica simpson, because he's mentioned the upcoming concert a few times already tonight...i can't imagine why anyone would actually pay to hear her sing...dreadful...

Ltlabner
09-13-2008, 09:36 PM
God. The Big Unit is ugly.

Ltlabner
09-13-2008, 09:38 PM
Dusty again playing the lineup that he thinks has the best chance of winning -- hence the few lefties, including no Patterson, Bako, or Dickerson.

I mean this in a non-judgemental way, but winning tonight is clearly Dusty's priority #1, with getting the most exposure for the young guys who might be contributors next year a distant #2.

Personally, I'd much rather get a look at Dickerson against the tough lefty, even if he goes 0-4, than give more AB to Jolbert Cabrera. I just hope one of us is blowing out the other so we can finally see Roenicke.

Integrity man. It's all about the integrity.

Ltlabner
09-13-2008, 09:46 PM
So was that a strike-out or a walk?

mbgrayson
09-13-2008, 09:58 PM
After two innings: Reds 1, D-Backs 0

Johnson: 44 pitches, 31 strikes.
Volquez: 38 pitches, 21 strikes.

Degenerate39
09-13-2008, 10:08 PM
God. The Big Unit is ugly.

That's what she said. ;)



I really like Votto at first base but with Alonso coming up soon I hope one of these guys can make a good transition to another position. I doubt Alonso can play anywhere but first so hopefully they can start getting Votto some time in left field or something.

mbgrayson
09-13-2008, 10:20 PM
Volquez walks Young to load to the bases on a 3-2 pitch. Gameday showed that one to be a strike....right over the plate. Dunner, up, bases loaded....

Red in Chicago
09-13-2008, 10:22 PM
wow, volquez gets dunn to hit into a dp...nice job getting out of that one...

CTA513
09-13-2008, 10:22 PM
I'm surprised the ump didn't say anything after Volquez jumped up and down on the mound after not getting a called strike on Young.

mbgrayson
09-13-2008, 10:24 PM
Dunn hits into a 1-2-3 double play.

After 3, Reds 1, D-Backs 0
Johnson: 64 pitches, 42 strikes.
Volquez: 62 pitches, 33 strikes.

Randy Johnson spent the whole inning up or on base. We will see if that affects him.

PuffyPig
09-13-2008, 10:25 PM
...i can't imagine why anyone would actually pay to hear her sing...dreadful...


Who says they are paying to hear her sing. I believe most ae paying to watch her sing.

OnBaseMachine
09-13-2008, 11:12 PM
1-1 bottom six.

Volquez K's Dunn to begin the 6th inning. That is strikeout #190 on the season for Volquez.

OnBaseMachine
09-13-2008, 11:18 PM
Volquez walks Reynolds with one out and K's Tracy for the second out. Strikeout #7 in the game and #191 on the season.

OnBaseMachine
09-13-2008, 11:22 PM
Montero K's to end the inning. #8 for Volquez and 192nd of the season.

1-1 after six innings. Volquez has thrown 110 pitches so his night is over.

mbgrayson
09-13-2008, 11:22 PM
After 6 innings, Reds 1, D-Backs 1

Johnson 98 pitches, 66 strikes.
Volquez 110 pitches, 62 strikes.

Volquez should be done for the night. He has 8 Ks, 5 BBs, 4 hits allowed, and 1 earned run.

mbgrayson
09-13-2008, 11:27 PM
Dusty has got to be nuts...he sends Volquez up to hit in a tie game after 110 pitches!~

RedsManRick
09-13-2008, 11:27 PM
Volquez with 110 pitches is hitting for himself with a very deep bench. YOU HAVE TO BE KIDDING ME! Dusty REALLY doesn't want to use Roenicke apparently. Either that or Dusty wants him to win 20 games. I swear, he's like a bad father relieving his youth by pushing his kids too hard. UGGGGH!

OnBaseMachine
09-13-2008, 11:27 PM
Volquez has thrown 110 pitches in six innings and Dusty is letting him bat for himself!?! I can't stand Dusty. What an awful manager.

lollipopcurve
09-13-2008, 11:28 PM
I cannot believe Volquez is going back out there with 110 pitches.

"The quest for win #17," according to Welsh.

Ladies and gentlemen, Dusty Baker.

LoganBuck
09-13-2008, 11:31 PM
Is it ok when there are few posters in the thread to just pop in with this?

"I hate Dusty Baker!"

mbgrayson
09-13-2008, 11:33 PM
"The quest for win #17," according to Welsh.

Edinson would be more likely to get win #17 if Dickerson pinch hit for him. That way, even if the Reds didn't score, his arm won't fall off....and he might get #17 next outing.

OnBaseMachine
09-13-2008, 11:34 PM
I honestly can't believe he's going to send him back out there.

LoganBuck
09-13-2008, 11:41 PM
Leave him in to pick up another loss.

Thanks Dusty

oneupper
09-13-2008, 11:41 PM
Volquez throws one everyone's head. He's gassed. :rolleyes:

LoganBuck
09-13-2008, 11:42 PM
More Painful Dusty's management or OSU-USC?

oneupper
09-13-2008, 11:42 PM
First batter doubles. and Dusty? He's watching.

OnBaseMachine
09-13-2008, 11:43 PM
Looks like Dusty is going to ruin a good start and allow Volquez to take a loss. What an awful manager.

mbgrayson
09-13-2008, 11:44 PM
Volquez gives up a six pitch lead off double to Upton. Tony Clark works the count to 3-1, and then on pitch #121, Clark walks. Runners on 1st and 2nd, none out. Out comes Dusty...finally....

OnBaseMachine
09-13-2008, 11:45 PM
Nice job Dusty. Way to ruin a great start by Volquez and allow him to take the loss. Pathetic.

oneupper
09-13-2008, 11:46 PM
Volquez with a career high 120 pitches in a meaningless september game.

Dusty will ruin every arm on the staff before he's through. Rebuilding starts in 2011.

lollipopcurve
09-13-2008, 11:47 PM
Shoulda left him in to get his 200th strikeout.

OnBaseMachine
09-13-2008, 11:48 PM
Volquez with a career high 120 pitches in a meaningless september game.

Dusty will ruin every arm on the staff before he's through. Rebuilding starts in 2011.

It's a shame. The Reds finally start to put together a solid rotation and they hire a well known arm killer. And he's up to his same old tricks. Harang and Cueto have already been injured this year and Volquez is probably next.

LoganBuck
09-13-2008, 11:49 PM
I am very upset with Dusty. I have had enough, I will be writing a letter to Bob C.

lollipopcurve
09-13-2008, 11:49 PM
don't like Ojeda vs Affeldt here

lollipopcurve
09-13-2008, 11:51 PM
phew

mbgrayson
09-13-2008, 11:53 PM
Looked like someone I didn't recognize coming in for Affeldt...Roenicke?

LoganBuck
09-13-2008, 11:54 PM
Roenicke in!

mbgrayson
09-13-2008, 11:55 PM
Roenicke hitting 94/95 with his fastball. Walks Chris Young on 4 pitches. Dunn up, sacks juiced....two outs.

Degenerate39
09-13-2008, 11:55 PM
Josh Roenicke vs Adam Dunn should be fun to watch

OnBaseMachine
09-13-2008, 11:56 PM
Walks Chris Young on four pitches. In steps Dunn. I don't see this ending well. Where is Herrera? Bray?

Degenerate39
09-13-2008, 11:57 PM
Roenicke is having a Burton-like debut

LoganBuck
09-13-2008, 11:57 PM
Hits Dunn!

mbgrayson
09-13-2008, 11:57 PM
Roenicke bounces a fastabll into Dunn's leg. Run scores...


Dusty couldn't be worse. Terrible situation for a rookie's first appearance.

OnBaseMachine
09-13-2008, 11:58 PM
Excellent job by Dusty Baker. This loss will go on Dusty, not Volquez. Not only will Volquez suffer the loss but his ERA goes up from 3.17 to ?

lollipopcurve
09-13-2008, 11:58 PM
where was the lefty for Dunn?

Degenerate39
09-13-2008, 11:59 PM
Roenicke looks pretty good in terms of velocity. Control was shakey but that's understandable.

RedRoser
09-14-2008, 12:00 AM
Seen about all I care to see of one Dusty Baker. . .

mbgrayson
09-14-2008, 12:00 AM
Roenicke Ks Reynolds. He walks off the field angry at himself, shaking his head. Camera cuts to Volquez, who is also shaking his head and looks angry as he turns away from the field and heads for the clubhouse.

lollipopcurve
09-14-2008, 12:00 AM
Roenicke is going to need a secondary pitch

the one he threw bounced and hit Dunn -- everything else was heat, but lots of guys throw 94-95

Tony Cloninger
09-14-2008, 12:00 AM
You guys wanted Roenicke and now you got him and you're still complaining?

Might as well see what he can do in this situation now.

OnBaseMachine
09-14-2008, 12:02 AM
You guys wanted Roenicke and now you got him and you're still complaining?

Might as well see what he can do in this situation now.

No we're complaining because our clueless manager sent Volquez back out for another inning.

Red in Chicago
09-14-2008, 12:03 AM
Roenicke Ks Reynolds. He walks off the field angry at himself, shaking his head. Camera cuts to Volquez, who is also shaking his head and looks angry as he turns away from the field and heads for the clubhouse.

i noticed that shot of ev as well. he's was ticked off.

Kc61
09-14-2008, 12:04 AM
Dusty needed to bring a lefty reliever in against Dunn there. Can't leave Roenicke in there, particularly for his first outing.

I don't mind that he brought Volquez back out there, but he was out of the inning with one more out. Needed to go after Dunn with Bray there.

LoganBuck
09-14-2008, 12:04 AM
You guys wanted Roenicke and now you got him and you're still complaining?

Might as well see what he can do in this situation now.

The problem was when they brought him in. Don't throw him into a high leverage position.

mbgrayson
09-14-2008, 12:04 AM
You guys wanted Roenicke and now you got him and you're still complaining?

Might as well see what he can do in this situation now.

I would love seeing Roenicke start off that inning. Putting him in with runners on 2nd and 3rd in a tie game is different.

Tony Cloninger
09-14-2008, 12:06 AM
That I agree with......i thought that he was only at about 100-105 pitches....and figured he could throw another 10 and have a quick inning. Did not know he was over 110 already. Volquez with all his stuff can never get people out with minimal pitches.

If this offense could score him some runs....it would help the situation of having Baker extend him like this....beacuse he clearly should not have done so in this game.

Red in Chicago
09-14-2008, 12:06 AM
i love tats and have two myself, but when they're on the neck, that's pretty hard core...

Kc61
09-14-2008, 12:06 AM
I would love seeing Roenicke start off that inning. Putting him in with runners on 2nds and 3rd in a tie game is different.

All would have been reasonable, except that he should have pulled Roenicke when Dunn came up. In that spot, with the game maybe on the line, Bill Bray should have faced Dunn.

HokieRed
09-14-2008, 12:09 AM
Dusty, plus pitiful offense, equals one more loss. Familiar story.

PuffyPig
09-14-2008, 12:09 AM
No we're complaining because our clueless manager sent Volquez back out for another inning.

Lots are complaining that Roenicke was left in to fabe the lefty. Which is hilarious considering the same posters have complained that Dusty was "playing to win" instead of seeing what the youngsters can do.

Well, Dusty finally does what everyone wants and complaints galore because Roenicke couldn't get a strike.

Tony Cloninger
09-14-2008, 12:09 AM
Herrera would have been better and much more fun vs Dunn.

Either way.....leaving JR in there did not bother me as much as the Volquez thing.

WVRedsFan
09-14-2008, 12:14 AM
My take is different. Everyone wanted to get a win for Volquez so he goes back out in the 7th which should be OK, but Volquez is out of stuff. They bring in Affeldt and he yields to the guy everyone is crying for and he not only can't throw a strike, but hits the next batter.

Kids. Yes, Dusty should have brought Bray in, but Bray shows ineffective when pitching two days in a row, so he's out. You stay with Roenicke hoping he'll do OK and disaster strikes. That's why no kid is our savior. First it was Edinson and Cueto who have proven to be quite human at times. Then it was Bruce, who for 21 is doing OK. Now it's whoever else they brought up from the farm.

The main problem with this game is the lack of any offense. One pitching move mistake won't lose this game (or two). When your line is so fine that you cannot make anything but brilliant moves is expecting too much from anyone.

mbgrayson
09-14-2008, 12:16 AM
Herrera double switched in in Jay Bruce's slot. Hairston to right, Dickerson stays in the game in left, and Patterson in the 9th slot in center.

Tony Cloninger
09-14-2008, 12:16 AM
Well it get's hard to defend Dusty when he takes puts in Patterson....when this team needs offense.

lollipopcurve
09-14-2008, 12:16 AM
Lots are complaining that Roenicke was left in to fabe the lefty. Which is hilarious considering the same posters have complained that Dusty was "playing to win" instead of seeing what the youngsters can do.

he had the lefty Herrera, another youngster, ready -- should have brought him in -- that's what people are complaining about

HokieRed
09-14-2008, 12:17 AM
I don't fault Dusty for not bringing Bray in; I don't see what Bray has done recently to make anybody believe he should be brought in. He's got a terrible WHIP and is, IMHO, unlikely to be on this team next year. Losing this ballgame is not Dusty's fault; it's the fault of the wretched offense this team has right now.

Degenerate39
09-14-2008, 12:19 AM
Nice job by Hanigan and Votto

WVRedsFan
09-14-2008, 12:19 AM
Great play by Votto and Hannigan

Red in Chicago
09-14-2008, 12:21 AM
hannigan has thrown out a couple of runners, and just blocked the plate nicely and tagged the runner out...as a result, we'll see bako in for the next three games:rolleyes:

mbgrayson
09-14-2008, 12:22 AM
I don't fault Dusty for not bringing Bray in; I don't see what Bray has done recently to make anybody believe he should be brought in. He's got a terrible WHIP and is, IMHO, unlikely to be on this team next year. Losing this ballgame is not Dusty's fault; it's the fault of the wretched offense this team has right now.

I think letting Volquez hit for himself in a tie game in the 7th after already having thrown 110 pitches was the 1st mistake, letting him go out and throw 121 pitches was the 2nd, then picking a tie game with runners on 2nd and 3rd for Roenicke's MLB debut, and finally leaving him in after he walked a batter on 4 pitches to face a lefty as good as Dunn when we have two lefties available in the pen was just stupid. Period.

WVRedsFan
09-14-2008, 12:23 AM
Good job of getting out of trouble for Herrera and kudos to the defense. Now, can the Reds score 2 tonight just like last night?

Red in Chicago
09-14-2008, 12:23 AM
I think letting Volquez hit for himself in a tie game in the 7th after already having thrown 110 pitches was the 1st mistake, letting him go out and throw 121 pitches was the 2nd, then picking a tie game with runners on 2nd and 3rd for Roenicke's MLB debut, and finally leaving him in after he walked a batter on 4 pitches to face a lefty as good as Dunn when we have two lefties available in the pen was just stupid. Period.

nicely stated...

lollipopcurve
09-14-2008, 12:30 AM
ja-ja-ja-ja javy!

HokieRed
09-14-2008, 12:31 AM
Agree completely. The mistake that is of the most important consequence is letting Volquez throw that many pitches. Frankly I don't understand why WJ hasn't sent the Dusty an ultimatum on pitch counts for Volquez and Cueto at least. But none of Dusty's absurdity changes the fact the offense has been nonexistent during the last two nights, hurting Harang last night and Edinson tonight.

gm
09-14-2008, 12:32 AM
Berry got bailed out on that one

Held the runner on the SF, scored anyway as the ball skipped away from the catcher

WVRedsFan
09-14-2008, 12:32 AM
What a freak play. Looked like a nice throw botched by the catcher? Tie game and Hairston up.

WVRedsFan
09-14-2008, 12:33 AM
Hariston pops up.

HokieRed
09-14-2008, 12:35 AM
At least we got Edinson off the hook. He may not have any arm left but at least he doesn't get the loss.

mbgrayson
09-14-2008, 12:37 AM
I also agree that the Reds lack of offense magnifies Dusty's managerial decisions. None of us would care about micro-managing the game if we were winning 7-2.

Of course, even then I would be angry if Dusty left one of our young pitchers out there to throw 121 pitches in a meaningless game. Why risk injury, especially when these young pitchers are at career high numbers of innings pitched for the season?

WVRedsFan
09-14-2008, 12:38 AM
The game defining mistake may be what is going on now. Superior center field work and what appears to be a further emasculated lineup just may swing the fault to Dusty.

Tony Cloninger
09-14-2008, 12:38 AM
Good thing Berry did hold him or else he would have been out....no way to know that ball bounces away like that.

PuffyPig
09-14-2008, 12:39 AM
Berry got bailed out on that one

Held the runner on the SF, scored anyway as the ball skipped away from the catcher

Why, decent throw nabs him?

WVRedsFan
09-14-2008, 12:40 AM
I also agree that the Reds lack of offense magnifies Dusty's managerial decisions. None of us would care about micro-managing the game if we were winning 7-2.

Of course, even then I would be angry if Dusty left one of our young pitchers out there to throw 121 pitches in a meaningless game. Why risk injury, especially when these young pitchers are at career high numbers of innings pitched for the season?

Your first point is what I was trying to state earlier, but you did it so much better.

It's pretty clear that Dusty and staff (Pole) think 120 pitches is the limit for our starters. That's debatable, of course, but I tend to disagree. Chasing that 20 wins for Volquez hs done more harm than good.

gm
09-14-2008, 12:40 AM
Do the 'Backs go around the stadium and find the most animated fans then let sit them back behind home plate, or what? Last night they looked like contestants on Wheel of Fortune, tonight it's like some kids from the Disney Channel

Tony Cloninger
09-14-2008, 12:41 AM
Everyone keeps asking and so am I....what kind of GM is WJ? Does he not have any say into how Dusty uses some of these players at all?

I could care less about Patterson defense by this time of the year.....I do not want to see him at all really.

Degenerate39
09-14-2008, 12:42 AM
Do the 'Backs go around the stadium and find the most animated fans then let sit them back behind home plate, or what? Last night they looked like contestants on Wheel of Fortune, tonight it's like some kids from the Disney Channel

What's up with those girls and the weird hand gestures?

WVRedsFan
09-14-2008, 12:42 AM
Everyone keeps asking and so am I....what kind of GM is WJ? Does he not have any say into how Dusty uses some of these players at all?

I could care less about Patterson defense by this time of the year.....I do not want to see him at all really.

Amen.

PuffyPig
09-14-2008, 12:43 AM
The DB's manager makes sure that Dunn has no say in this game, by calling for the bunt, effectively taking the bat out of Dunn's hand.

If Baker did that, people would call for his head.

gm
09-14-2008, 12:45 AM
Why, decent throw nabs him?

play for the tie on the road, if he doesn't score the game's over

if you don't send him, odds are he'll still be there on the final out

maybe Mark knows something about the arm of the DB's right fielder that I don't, but that FB looked deep enough to score an above-average runner like Richar

WVRedsFan
09-14-2008, 12:45 AM
Stormy Weathers about to walk the bases full. Why do our pitchers have trouble throwing strikes? 188 pitches and half of them not strikes

Weathers gets a pop up.

HokieRed
09-14-2008, 12:46 AM
I've like WJ's moves. Seems to me he's basically gotten four major league players--Richar, Castillo, Owings, and Masset--for short term rentals of Dunn and Griffey. I'm less happy with his management of Dusty, both on the use of the starters and his continuing to play CP, Hairston, Bako et. al.

WVRedsFan
09-14-2008, 12:46 AM
Extras tied at 2. Offense emasculated. This could go on for several more innings.

gm
09-14-2008, 12:47 AM
What's up with those girls and the weird hand gestures?

I'd rather not guess...but it's bush and distracting

Last night it was older folks making fools of themselves...usher, please? Security?

gm
09-14-2008, 12:48 AM
Extras tied at 2. Offense emasculated. This could go on for several more innings.

Get Harang up...

(good thing it's September)

Red in Chicago
09-14-2008, 12:49 AM
george just called that play "brilliant"? is he watching the same game?

WVRedsFan
09-14-2008, 12:50 AM
I'd rather not guess...but it's bush and distracting

Last night it was older folks making fools of themselves...usher, please? Security?

Fans of the artists (using the term loosly) coming up after the last out is made.

WVRedsFan
09-14-2008, 12:53 AM
If Dickerson gets on we get...Andy Phillips!!!

Tony Cloninger
09-14-2008, 12:53 AM
This generation's Etta James is having a concert after this game?

Let's play 18!!

WVRedsFan
09-14-2008, 12:55 AM
This generation's Etta James is having a concert after this game?

Let's play 18!!

Brilliant observation! :)

mbgrayson
09-14-2008, 12:58 AM
Micah!!!!!! Knocks in the go ahead run on a double...

gm
09-14-2008, 12:58 AM
Welcome to the Reds, Micah Owings!

(take THAT, Arizona!)

Red in Chicago
09-14-2008, 12:58 AM
gotta love micah...took a peek at the catcher before the pitch came in and rips an rbi double...

WVRedsFan
09-14-2008, 12:59 AM
Owings is amazing. When all our offensive players look like Judys, he hits a double to give the Reds the lead!

anyone want to give Dusty credit for taking down Phillips and pinch hitting Owings?

Didn't think so.

Danny Serafini
09-14-2008, 12:59 AM
The only thing funnier than trading for a pitcher that you'll only use as a pinch hitter the first season is seeing him get a game winning RBI.

RedsManRick
09-14-2008, 01:00 AM
Best pinch hitter on the team drives in Dickerson.

mbgrayson
09-14-2008, 01:00 AM
Owings is amazing. When all our offensive players look like Judys, he hits a double to give the Reds the lead!

anyone want to give Dusty credit for taking down Phillips and pinch hitting Owings?

Didn't think so.

I will. Brilliant Dusty, just absolutely brilliant!

p.s. Dickerson's plate patience was big that inning too.

WVRedsFan
09-14-2008, 01:00 AM
How many times tonight must we be faced with the ditzy blonde test driving the Edge?

"There's another Edge. Hey Edge!"

Yuck. and i own an Edge.

WVRedsFan
09-14-2008, 01:02 AM
Uh oh. Here comes CoCo to close it out. Maybe.

Red in Chicago
09-14-2008, 01:03 AM
Best pinch hitter on the team drives in Dickerson.

now, now, now...everyone knows that title belongs to javy:p:

Tony Cloninger
09-14-2008, 01:03 AM
It was a great move......Like Enos Slaughter PH for Hank Bauer late in a game......Dusty is this generation's Casey Stengel.

gm
09-14-2008, 01:04 AM
gotta love micah...took a peek at the catcher before the pitch came in and rips an rbi double...

And the next time he comes up against his old mates he'll get a high hard one aimed at his earhole

lollipopcurve
09-14-2008, 01:04 AM
anyone want to give Dusty credit for taking down Phillips and pinch hitting Owings?

Didn't think so.

sure

nice move

one of the best moments of the season, I'd say

Big Klu
09-14-2008, 01:06 AM
The Old Lefthander would love Micah Owings.

I miss Joe. :(

gm
09-14-2008, 01:07 AM
Imagine if AZ loses the division by one game...will they look back on this night?

WVRedsFan
09-14-2008, 01:07 AM
Reds win!
Good job for Cordero--30 saves.

mbgrayson
09-14-2008, 01:07 AM
And this one belongs to the Reds, 3-2....

Big Klu
09-14-2008, 01:08 AM
How many times tonight must we be faced with the ditzy blonde test driving the Edge?

"There's another Edge. Hey Edge!"

Yuck. and i own an Edge.

"My perception of Ford has always been trucks."

Geez, blondie...have you never heard of the Mustang or the Thunderbird?

gm
09-14-2008, 01:09 AM
Let's get Owings on the post-game interview...he needs a shaving cream salute

Patrick Bateman
09-14-2008, 01:09 AM
Brutal call by the ump to end the game. Can't help but laugh at the D-Backs after this game. Those last couple plays had me chuckling.

PuffyPig
09-14-2008, 01:10 AM
play for the tie on the road, if he doesn't score the game's over

if you don't send him, odds are he'll still be there on the final out

maybe Mark knows something about the arm of the DB's right fielder that I don't, but that FB looked deep enough to score an above-average runner like Richar


Firstly, the axiom is play for the tie at home, the win on the road.

Secondly, the odds are that with still only one out, the runner on third will likely score.

Patrick Bateman
09-14-2008, 01:11 AM
Firstly, the axiom is play for the tie at home, the win on the road.

Secondly, the odds are that with still only one out, the runner on third will likely score.

Not to mention that Upton has a very powerful arm.

WVRedsFan
09-14-2008, 01:12 AM
"My perception of Ford has always been trucks."

Geez, blondie...have you never heard of the Mustang or the Thunderbird?

Is it any wonder why Ford is nearly broke? The marketing geniuses don't have a clue. According to my owner's manual, the Edge is technically a truck.

Regardless, surely they have another commercial. Surely.

WVRedsFan
09-14-2008, 01:15 AM
Let's get Owings on the post-game interview...he needs a shaving cream saluteNah. Dunn and Griffey are gone. No shaving cream tonight.

I have a feeling these players WJ has assembled are going to be special. And that's not just because of tonight.

gm
09-14-2008, 01:15 AM
Firstly, the axiom is play for the tie at home, the win on the road.

Secondly, the odds are that with still only one out, the runner on third will likely score.

Well I'm glad Berry isn't sitting in the clubhouse right now saying to himself "Dang, I should've sent him" following a 2-1 'Back's win

Maybe putting pressure on the other team's defense created the bad break? We'll never know

RedsManRick
09-14-2008, 01:16 AM
Excellent job by Dusty Baker. This loss will go on Dusty, not Volquez. Not only will Volquez suffer the loss but his ERA goes up from 3.17 to ?

6 IP, 2 ER = 3.00 ERA. So it still dropped from 3.23, but it only dropped to 3.22 instead of 3.17.

RedsManRick
09-14-2008, 01:17 AM
Brutal call by the ump to end the game. Can't help but laugh at the D-Backs after this game. Those last couple plays had me chuckling.

Gameday shows it clearly in the strikezone. Though the ump hasn't been giving that low strike for most of the game.

gm
09-14-2008, 01:18 AM
Nah. Dunn and Griffey are gone. No shaving cream tonight.

I have a feeling these players WJ has assembled are going to be special. And that's not just because of tonight.


Ross was more likely to give "facials" than Dunn or Griffey. I think Javy got a rookie (Dickerson?) last month. Maybe they only do it at Cincy? Aaron likes to throw the water and get Pic or Day in the process

WVRedsFan
09-14-2008, 01:19 AM
Speaking of commercials, that Elk and Elk commercial. One of the Elks looks like Moe Howard of the Three Stooges. Who could take him seriously??

mbgrayson
09-14-2008, 01:20 AM
Owings was on the post game. He was very gracious and said nice things about the AZ fans, and said he can't wait to get to Cincinnati and the Reds great traditions...

Seems like a nice guy. And hitting like that, I can see why the guy won a silver slugger award last year.

Patrick Bateman
09-14-2008, 01:20 AM
Gameday shows it clearly in the strikezone. Though the ump hasn't been giving that low strike for most of the game.

Well Gameday was wrong... no way in hell was that a strike. That buckled well below the knees.

Tony Cloninger
09-14-2008, 01:21 AM
I wonder if Kirk Gibson would have put up with the shaving cream stuff?

Dusty purposely blew the game early so he could redeem himself later. That's our Dusty. :D (Laugh Track included)

gm
09-14-2008, 01:23 AM
Gameday shows it clearly in the strikezone. Though the ump hasn't been giving that low strike for most of the game.

Yeah, the replay showed Hanigan caught it down low, but when it crossed the front edge of plate it was still knee high

PuffyPig
09-14-2008, 01:26 AM
Well I'm glad Berry isn't sitting in the clubhouse right now saying to himself "Dang, I should've sent him" following a 2-1 'Back's win

Maybe putting pressure on the other team's defense created the bad break? We'll never know

If Richar had gone, and the ball hadn't hitthe cather's shin guard, he would have been a dead duck.

With zero outs, you only go if your chances are pretty good (say 75% at least.) The chance of the next hitter driving you in with a base hit or an out is probably about 60%. Even if he gets out, your chances are still about 30% with two outs to score a run.

That adds up to about a 72% of still scoring if you don't run.

gm
09-14-2008, 01:26 AM
I wonder if Kirk Gibson would have put up with the shaving cream stuff?

Only if he was the one administering it

WVRedsFan
09-14-2008, 01:26 AM
I wonder if Kirk Gibson would have put up with the shaving cream stuff?

Dusty purposely blew the game early so he could redeem himself later. That's our Dusty. :D (Laugh Track included)

Ah, snatch victory from the jaws of defeat. A brilliant man can't be held down, dude. :)

As for the shaving cream stuff, that's the pleasure of a young team and in days past, the veterans were the guys who administrated the "cream." Tonight shows that there is some soul to this team--soemthing missing in the last few years. I like the Jocketty acqisitions so far.

PuffyPig
09-14-2008, 01:27 AM
Well Gameday was wrong... no way in hell was that a strike. That buckled well below the knees.


Gameday wrong???????

Tell me it isn't so.

gm
09-14-2008, 01:30 AM
If Richar had gone, and the ball hadn't hitthe cather's shin guard, he would have been a dead duck.

I'm not so sure, the ball came in on the 1st base side of home plate, the catcher took his eye off it because he needed to catch it and bring it back

(all of which Berry had no way of knowing when he called Richar to hold up, of course)

hindsight is 20/20, with nothing to lose but a meaningless game, I would've sent him and made the defense execute

gm
09-14-2008, 01:33 AM
Well Gameday was wrong... no way in hell was that a strike. That buckled well below the knees.

As Cleon Jones once said to a reporter who told him he thought Jones looked out on a base Jones felt he'd stolen...

"I'm glad you ain't no ump"

CTA513
09-14-2008, 02:00 AM
Cueto vs. Scherzer should be another good game to watch.

Screwball
09-14-2008, 02:55 AM
hindsight is 20/20, with nothing to lose but a meaningless game, I would've sent him and made the defense execute

No offense man, but I'm glad you're not the 3rd base coach. Mark Berry is paid to know that Justin Upton has a rocket launcher for an arm, and giving away an out in that situation just 'cuz would've been silly.



Well Gameday was wrong... no way in hell was that a strike. That buckled well below the knees.


FSN showed a replay of that pitch from the side and you can clearly see that when it crosses the plate, it was at the knees. In fact, judging from that angle and the game-time angle from the outfield, Gameday looked to have it's location dead on.

PuffyPig
09-14-2008, 10:10 AM
hindsight is 20/20, with nothing to lose but a meaningless game, I would've sent him and made the defense execute

What difference does it make if the game is "meaningless"?

Are you admitting that sending him was against the odds, but who cares?

Holding him or sending him is based on what you think the odds of him scoring are, and the odds of him scoring (eventually) if you don't send him. But sending him because the game is meaningless is silly. It certainly wasn't a meaningless game to the Diamondbacks and the Dodgers.

Big Klu
09-14-2008, 10:23 AM
There is no such thing as a meaningless game. The Diamondbacks are in the thick of the hunt in the NL West. And even if neither club were in contention, players owe it to themselves and to the fans who pay their hard-earned money to give their best effort out there. But I forgot--we laugh at and make fun of things like "integrity" and "playing the game the right way" around here.

NJReds
09-14-2008, 11:31 AM
But I forgot--we laugh at and make fun of things like "integrity" and "playing the game the right way" around here.

Sorry...but that just reminded me of this:




http://www.americanrhetoric.com/MovieSpeeches/specialengagements/afewgoodmenjack1.JPG


We use words like honor, code, loyalty. We use then as the backbone of a life trying to defend something. You use them as a punchline.

Matt700wlw
09-14-2008, 12:26 PM
So far, Micah Owings was a steal :D

OnBaseMachine
09-14-2008, 05:19 PM
No game thread for today?

Cueto walks Eckstein on four pitches. I don't care if he throws a no-hitter today, continuing to run him out there is a bad move IMO.

OnBaseMachine
09-14-2008, 05:22 PM
Upton walks. Cueto has thrown nine pitches, eight balls. Today is going to be a disaster. He's not the same since returning from the injury.

OnBaseMachine
09-14-2008, 05:28 PM
Cueto gets Chris Young to flyout and Dunn grounds into a doubleplay with runners on first and third. No score after one inning.

OnBaseMachine
09-14-2008, 05:30 PM
Bruce walks to begin the second inning.

RedsManRick
09-14-2008, 05:33 PM
I really don't understand why Hannigan is batting 8th other than because he's a catcher. It's a complete waste of OBP.

OnBaseMachine
09-14-2008, 05:54 PM
Cueto doesn't have it today. It's scoreless through two innings but he's walked three batters and allowed two hits. His command is way off today. Hopefully Dusty doesn't leave him in there too long.

OnBaseMachine
09-14-2008, 06:00 PM
Votto picks up the Reds first hit with a two out single in the third inning.

OnBaseMachine
09-14-2008, 06:15 PM
Still no score after three innings. Cueto has thrown 71 pitches in three innings.

Chip R
09-14-2008, 06:18 PM
Bruce goes deep

Tony Cloninger
09-14-2008, 06:22 PM
I guess Castillo is not getting another start now? Why do i even bother to ask what the problem is.

OnBaseMachine
09-14-2008, 06:30 PM
That Bruce homerun was a laser.

Cueto meanwhile continues to struggle with command, plus his velocity seems to be down today. I hope they shut him down after today.

Tony Cloninger
09-14-2008, 06:31 PM
I agree....Cueto looks bad.....and he seems to only want to throw sliders.

HokieRed
09-14-2008, 06:32 PM
Cueto's going to have to throw 120 just to go five. AARgh!

OnBaseMachine
09-14-2008, 06:32 PM
And now he walks the light hitting Ojeda. Six walks in 3.1 innings for Cueto. Please Dusty, for once in your career do something smart and pull the kid. He has been himself since the injury.

OnBaseMachine
09-14-2008, 06:38 PM
Cueto: 4 IP, 3 H, 0 R, 6 BB, 4 K, 99 pitches. There is no way I send Cueto back out there for another inning. He's struggling mightily and the D-Backs will send the 2-3-4 hitters up next inning. Pull him Dusty and shut him down.

Tony Cloninger
09-14-2008, 06:38 PM
he also seems to be a bit of a hard head? Have fastball and good change....then use it.

Sitting there shaking off pitches.....I mean some of this seems to be on him.

OnBaseMachine
09-14-2008, 06:40 PM
Cueto is hitting for himself to lead off the 5th inning. Unreal. At the pace he's going this will be a 120+ pitch game. Dusty Baker should be arrested for abuse.

OnBaseMachine
09-14-2008, 06:45 PM
1-0 Reds after 4 1/2 innings. I don't see Cueto making it through this inning. I would have pinch hit for him in the top of the inning.

Matt700wlw
09-14-2008, 06:47 PM
Cueto doesn't have it today...and now gives up a dinger to Upton

HokieRed
09-14-2008, 06:48 PM
Agree, though I'd have been surprised if Dusty had pulled Cueto. Have to hope he'll get him after 5.

OnBaseMachine
09-14-2008, 06:48 PM
Upton homers. Great job Dusty. You are something.

OnBaseMachine
09-14-2008, 06:50 PM
This organization won't win anything as long as Dusty Baker is around.

HokieRed
09-14-2008, 06:53 PM
Hopefully that's it for Cueto.

OnBaseMachine
09-14-2008, 06:54 PM
1-1 after five innings. Cueto threw 115 pitches in five innings. Ridiculous. The guy is coming off an elbow injury and Baker still works him hard.

5 IP, 4 H, 1 R, 6 BB, 4 K

Matt700wlw
09-14-2008, 06:54 PM
It looks like Cueto may be pitching the 6th....

HokieRed
09-14-2008, 06:56 PM
If Dusty sends him out for the 6th, WJ should call the dugout anf fire him on the spot.

lollipopcurve
09-14-2008, 06:57 PM
It looks like Cueto may be pitching the 6th....

He better not be. But it wouldn't be a shock any more.

OnBaseMachine
09-14-2008, 06:57 PM
It looks like Cueto may be pitching the 6th....

He needs to be fired on the spot if that's true.

Matt700wlw
09-14-2008, 06:59 PM
He's not.

Pettyjohn in.

lollipopcurve
09-14-2008, 07:00 PM
great to see Pettyjohn out there

OnBaseMachine
09-14-2008, 07:01 PM
Pettyjohn allows a single off the RF wall to begin the inning. But the Reds will win because Dusty says Pettyjohn is a winner.

Tony Cloninger
09-14-2008, 07:02 PM
SO.....120 is the magic mark for Dusty.....have fun going crazy OBM.

To me....Cueto did not need to be extended like that...neither did EV last night...however I am not a firm believer that a pitcher cannot throw over 100 pitches start after start without getting hurt or it's a guarantee he will be hurt.

I think extending most pitchers closer to 120 than always barely letting them go 100 is the way it should go. However....these 2....but mainly Cueto...did not need to go this route.

OnBaseMachine
09-14-2008, 07:06 PM
Bob Mevlin pulls Scherzer after 102 pitches in six innings. What the heck is he doing? Doesn't he know he's still got another 25-30 pitches left?

Tony Cloninger
09-14-2008, 07:17 PM
He had at least 10-15 left....especially with the way the Reds hitters could not figure him out at all.

OnBaseMachine
09-14-2008, 07:57 PM
Bray K's Dunn with the bases loaded on three straight nasty sliders. 1-1 after eight innings.

OnBaseMachine
09-14-2008, 07:58 PM
He had at least 10-15 left....especially with the way the Reds hitters could not figure him out at all.

But Bob Melvin is a smart guy. He rarely lets his starters go past 110 pitches. I wish the Reds took care of their arms like that.

PuffyPig
09-14-2008, 08:03 PM
Bray K's Dunn with the bases loaded on three straight nasty sliders. 1-1 after eight innings.

And the fans booed like I haven't heard for awhile.

How can that be???

I thought the Arizona fans appreciated Dunn like the Red's fans never did?

Is it possible that the fans only appreciated Dunn when he was going hot, and now have cooled somewhat(like evey other fan in the world)?

Dunn's OPS with the DB's is now (marginally) worse that it was with the Reds.

With the DB's falling quickly out of the race, and Dunn hitting like Dunn hits, it will be interesting to see how everyone reacts now that the honeymoon period is over.

Beware the small sample size.

Tony Cloninger
09-14-2008, 08:07 PM
Bob is going to do that with the younger pitchers.....but Webb and when Johnson had more stamina....he had no problem going closer to 120.

But the point is.....like you are clearly trying to make....no need to push the younger arms at this time.