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JaxRed
09-17-2008, 12:02 AM
http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20080916&content_id=458585&vkey=pr_milb&fext=.jsp

Kingspoint
09-17-2008, 12:03 AM
It was probably in his contract. :)

OnBaseMachine
09-17-2008, 12:06 AM
I figured they would send him over there. This is a very good move IMO. I read a rumor on Doug's website a couple weeks ago that in addition to Yonder Alonso, Todd Frazier, Philippe Valiquette, and Eric Eymann would also be going to Hawaii.

dougdirt
09-17-2008, 01:02 AM
I figured they would send him over there. This is a very good move IMO. I read a rumor on Doug's website a couple weeks ago that in addition to Yonder Alonso, Todd Frazier, Philippe Valiquette, and Eric Eymann would also be going to Hawaii.

Lets just say I got those names on good authority :thumbup:

lollipopcurve
09-17-2008, 06:51 AM
just like Wieters did last year -- makes sense for a guy whose contract dictates he needs to move fast

Mario-Rijo
09-17-2008, 04:46 PM
Why Hawaii? Is it more advanced instruction than the AFL or something? I never could understand why some would go to the AFL, some to Hawaii and others to winter ball or both. Anyone have an idea of why an organization would choose one over the other for a specific player. I mean what determines where you go if anywhere?

redsmetz
09-17-2008, 10:04 PM
Why Hawaii? Is it more advanced instruction than the AFL or something? I never could understand why some would go to the AFL, some to Hawaii and others to winter ball or both. Anyone have an idea of why an organization would choose one over the other for a specific player. I mean what determines where you go if anywhere?

I could very well be wrong, but I'm not sure Alonso was eligible for Arizona's league. Someone correct me if I'm wrong about that.

RedsManRick
09-18-2008, 01:59 PM
Why Hawaii? Is it more advanced instruction than the AFL or something? I never could understand why some would go to the AFL, some to Hawaii and others to winter ball or both. Anyone have an idea of why an organization would choose one over the other for a specific player. I mean what determines where you go if anywhere?

I think you have to be on a AA or AAA roster to go to the AFL. The Hawaiian league is more for the lesser experienced, but often high ceiling, guys.

Mario-Rijo
09-18-2008, 08:04 PM
I think you have to be on a AA or AAA roster to go to the AFL. The Hawaiian league is more for the lesser experienced, but often high ceiling, guys.

That would explain Valaika last year. Ok thanks guys.

RED VAN HOT
09-18-2008, 08:52 PM
I figured they would send him over there. This is a very good move IMO. I read a rumor on Doug's website a couple weeks ago that in addition to Yonder Alonso, Todd Frazier, Philippe Valiquette, and Eric Eymann would also be going to Hawaii.

I like the other selections as well. After three lackluster years, Eymann had a breakout year at AA. At 25, next year at AAA would seem to determine whether he moves on to become a major league backup or AAAA player. The Reds have been very patient with Valiquette. IIRC, there was even a time that he left the team as a teenager to return home. I suspect this patience was rooted in a perceived high upside. He is still only 21 and he started to show consistency last year.

Danny Serafini
09-18-2008, 09:48 PM
I could very well be wrong, but I'm not sure Alonso was eligible for Arizona's league. Someone correct me if I'm wrong about that.

He could play, but the number of low level players are restricted, and they may want someone else there. Here are the rules:


The eligibility rules to play in the AFL are simple.

The roster size is 30 players per team.

Each Major League organization is required to provide six players subject to
the following requirements:

* All Triple-A and Double-A players are eligible, provided the players are
on at least a Double-A level roster no later than Aug. 1.
* One player below the Double-A level is allowed per Major League team.
* One foreign player is allowed, as long as the player does not reside in a
country that participates in winter ball, as part of the Caribbean Confederation
or the Australian winter league.
* No players with more than one year of credited Major League service as of
August 31 are eligible, except a team may select one player picked in the most
recently concluded Major League Rule 5 Draft.
* To be eligible, players on Minor League disabled lists must be activated
at least 45 days before the conclusion of their respective seasons.

Looking at the Hawaiian Baseball website, they have no eligibility requirements listed other than players must be a member of an MLB, Japanese or Korean organization.

Roy Tucker
09-19-2008, 01:43 PM
I think I've found another bucket list item..... spend a winter in Hawaii watching baseball.

JaxRed
09-19-2008, 02:40 PM
Oops. Wrong thread

dougdirt
09-19-2008, 07:35 PM
On the Reds radio broadcast it was just mentioned that Alonso may also play winter ball in the DR after he plays in Hawaii.

OnBaseMachine
09-20-2008, 12:21 AM
Todd Frazier to Hawaii has been confirmed by Baseball America:

Brackman was announced along with Reds shortstop Todd Frazier, the 34th overall selection in 07; and Athletics outfielder Corey Brown, the 59th selection in 2007.

Unfortunately for Brackman, an elbow injury suffered in May 2007 while he was at North Carolina State has prevented the 6-foot-10, 240-pound righthander from competing in the minors the past two summers.

Despite the injury occurring just ahead of the draft that season, the Yankees signed him to a major league contract worth $4.5 million on top of a $3.35 million bonus.

Brackman touched 99 mph in the Cape Cod League two years ago and in his junior season at NC State was consistently at 94 mph. He also has a spike curveball and showed a feel for a changeup.

Meanwhile, Frazier this season hit .291/.368/.485 with 19 home runs, 30 doubles and 74 RBIs combined at low Class A Dayton and high Class A Sarasota. The 22-year-old also struck out 112 times covering 478 at-bats and drew 56 walks.

http://www.baseballamerica.com/blog/prospects/?p=1712

OnBaseMachine
09-20-2008, 12:24 AM
I went to milb.com and typed in Philippe Valiquette's name and it shows him playing for Waikiki BeachBoys, the same team as Yonder and Frazier. He's now confirmed. I typed in Eric Eymann and the team came up blank for now.

OnBaseMachine
09-20-2008, 12:28 AM
I found another little interesting piece on Frazier:

Frazier is listed as a utility infielder, but he is expected to focus on shortstop in his time with Waikiki. The New Jersey native made his way to Cincinnati via Rutgers University, and carries with him the notoriety of leading his home-state Toms River squad to the Little League World Series title in 1998. Frazier spent most of 2008 with the Reds' high-A club in Sarasota, Fla. and collected 20 doubles, three triples and 12 home runs while driving in 54 through 100 games.

http://www.oursportscentral.com/services/releases/?id=3718927

OnBaseMachine
09-20-2008, 03:16 AM
I just read on the Reds website that Adam Rosales plans to play winter ball in Puerto Rico. Sounds like there are going to be a lot of Reds players/prospects worth following during the offseason.

Kingspoint
09-20-2008, 04:56 AM
On the Reds radio broadcast it was just mentioned that Alonso may also play winter ball in the DR after he plays in Hawaii.


....and 11 days in the Florida Instructional League before heading to Hawaii.

Kingspoint
09-20-2008, 04:58 AM
There hasn't been this volume of potential in the REDS' pipeline at any time I can remember in the last 40 years.