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Red in Chicago
09-17-2008, 07:01 PM
St. Louis
S. Schumaker cf
F. Lopez ss
A. Pujols 1b
R. Ludwick lf
T. Glaus 3b
A. Miles 2b
J. LaRue c
T. Wellemeyer p
B. Ryan rf

Cincinnati
D. Richar 2b
W. Castillo lf
J. Votto 1b
A. Phillips 3b
J. Bruce rf
R. Hanigan c
C. Patterson cf
P. Janish ss
A. Harang p

OnBaseMachine
09-17-2008, 07:57 PM
Hopefully Harang can fire a shutout tonight because I don't see this lineup producing more than one or two runs. ;)

Chip R
09-17-2008, 08:04 PM
Hopefully Harang can fire a shutout tonight because I don't see this lineup producing more than one or two runs. ;)


With Harang pitching, that would be par for the course.

Degenerate39
09-17-2008, 08:08 PM
What an ugly ugly ugly ugly lineup. Probably the worst I've seen in a long time. I think I'll skip tonights game.

OnBaseMachine
09-17-2008, 08:10 PM
Skippy hits a soft line drive single to RF and Lopez bloops a broken bat single into LF. They aren't hitting the ball hard but have two runners on.

OnBaseMachine
09-17-2008, 08:11 PM
Pujols grounds into a doubleplay.

OnBaseMachine
09-17-2008, 08:13 PM
Ludwick lines out. Nice job by Harang to escape without any damage.

lollipopcurve
09-17-2008, 08:14 PM
What an ugly ugly ugly ugly lineup. Probably the worst I've seen in a long time. I think I'll skip tonights game.

I like it -- end of the year, let's see some different players out there.

OnBaseMachine
09-17-2008, 08:18 PM
Richar and Castillo fly out to left. Votto walks.

MrCinatit
09-17-2008, 08:18 PM
I have a feeling when Big Klu posts this lineup 20 years from now, many of will be saying "You know, I was following the Reds extensively during this time, but I cannot remember ________ ever being with the club."
Andy Phillips is my first nominee.

RedsManRick
09-17-2008, 08:18 PM
WTF -- did I miss something? Andy Phillips is our cleanup hitter? Richar and Castillo are #1/#2? Where's EE? Where's Keppinger? Where's Dickerson? Where's Cabrera. WHERE'S THE INTEGRITY!?

I see we're not going to get Volquez to 20 wins. But with a few more lineups like this and another relief appearance, we could get Harang 20 losses!

OnBaseMachine
09-17-2008, 08:19 PM
Votto steals second base.

OnBaseMachine
09-17-2008, 08:20 PM
WTF -- did I miss something? Andy Phillips is our cleanup hitter? Richar and Castillo are #1/#2? Where's EE? Where's Keppinger? Where's Dickerson? Where's Cabrera. WHERE'S THE INTEGRITY!?

Dickerson's achilles is acting up again and EdE is day-to-day with a wrist injury.

OnBaseMachine
09-17-2008, 08:21 PM
Andy Phillips K's swinging on a 3-2 belt high fastball right down the middle.

OnBaseMachine
09-17-2008, 08:24 PM
Good grief. Glaus hits a routine groundball to Andy Phillips, he has all day to throw and still throws 10 feet wide of first base. Error on Phillips.

MrCinatit
09-17-2008, 08:25 PM
...then Phillips makes a throwing error on the first play of the next inning.
Andy already having a pretty rough day. Like to see him make it up with a walkoff.

WVRedsFan
09-17-2008, 08:26 PM
I think I would at least be looking at players who had a future here. Phillips (I hope) does not. Great throw by the way. Patterson might be a necessity with Dickerson injured, but Janish is and will always be a sub. Get him in the game, but start him?

BTW, this is going to be a pitiful night for offense (hope it works tonight, but I seriously doubt it.

RedsManRick
09-17-2008, 08:27 PM
...then Phillips makes a throwing error on the first play of the next inning.
Andy already having a pretty rough day. Like to see him make it up with a walkoff.

Any reason why Phillips is playing instead of Adam Rosales? That doesn't make any sense to me. Please don't tell me Phillips might be part of the 2009 roster... We don't need a 32 year old, corner utility guy with a mediocre at best bat and glove. Fine for September roster chaff in a losing season, but we've got a plethora of bench options who might actually have a future.

OnBaseMachine
09-17-2008, 08:30 PM
I'm starting to become a huge fan of Albert Pujols. For some reason I never did like him but this year that's changed. I've become a big fan of his. Apparently he's been working with Votto on his footwork around the first base bag and helping him become a better defender. It's not often you see a player from another team doing something like that.

OnBaseMachine
09-17-2008, 08:31 PM
Harang gets three routine fly outs after the error. No score after 1 1/2.

OnBaseMachine
09-17-2008, 08:32 PM
Bruce leads off the bottom of the second inning and gets ahead 3-0. And then walks.

OnBaseMachine
09-17-2008, 08:35 PM
Hanigan gets HBP. First and second with nobody out for Patterson. Wellemeyer has been wild tonight so hopefully the guys are patient.

OnBaseMachine
09-17-2008, 08:37 PM
I would've rather seen Janish get the start tomorrow with a groundball pitcher in Volquez pitching.

OnBaseMachine
09-17-2008, 08:39 PM
Patterson K's swinging on ball three.

MrCinatit
09-17-2008, 08:41 PM
I think if the Reds started putting a cardboard cutout of Patterson at the plate, it would take a week before anyone would notice.

OnBaseMachine
09-17-2008, 08:42 PM
Janish flies out to RF, Bruce tags and advances to 3B. Looks like Wellemeyer will escape.

WVRedsFan
09-17-2008, 08:42 PM
I would've rather seen Janish get the start tomorrow with a groundball pitcher in Volquez pitching.

Sorry guys, but I'd rather see Janish in AAA.

He's a sub, plain and simple.

OnBaseMachine
09-17-2008, 08:42 PM
Harang swings at the first pitch and grounds out.

OnBaseMachine
09-17-2008, 08:43 PM
Sorry guys, but I'd rather see Janish in AAA.

He's a sub, plain and simple.

He's a sub but I'd much rather see him starting when Volquez pitches than Keppinger. At least he can provide some defense, unlike Keppinger.

WVRedsFan
09-17-2008, 08:45 PM
He's a sub but I'd much rather see him starting when Volquez pitches than Keppinger. At least he can provide some defense, unlike Keppinger.


OK, I see your point. But it really makes no difference in the whole scheme of things when you're playing Phillips as you cleanup, Janish at short, Patterson in center, Richar and Castillo. That's half your lineup being Judy hitters.

OnBaseMachine
09-17-2008, 08:45 PM
Brendan Ryan bounces back to Harang for the first out in the third inning.

OnBaseMachine
09-17-2008, 08:47 PM
Schumaker grounds out to Janish for the second out.

WVRedsFan
09-17-2008, 08:48 PM
Excellent outfield defense from Castillo and Patterson.

OnBaseMachine
09-17-2008, 08:48 PM
Flyball to left center that should have been caught but Patterson and Castillo let it drop in. You can't let that happen when Pujols is on deck.

WVRedsFan
09-17-2008, 08:51 PM
Good point. This could be a potential 2 run error, but luckily Aaron gets Albert to pop out. (God, I sound like George Grande)

OnBaseMachine
09-17-2008, 08:52 PM
Good job by Harang. Just a usual night for him with no defense or offense behind him.;)

CTA513
09-17-2008, 08:53 PM
Pujols is going to make someone pay for not having a hit yesterday and already being 0 for 2 with 3 left on tonight.

OnBaseMachine
09-17-2008, 08:53 PM
Harang's stuff isn't as good tonight as it has been in his last few starts but so far he's getting by.

OnBaseMachine
09-17-2008, 08:55 PM
Richar pops out and Castillo hits a soft liner to RF where Ryan makes a sliding catch for the second out.

WVRedsFan
09-17-2008, 08:55 PM
Strange to see Lopez in the Cardinals lineup. Look at The Trade. Lopez, Williamson, etc gone and we still have Majewski and Bray along with the kiddies. Of course, I still can't figure out why we have Majewski.

BTW, FeLo is 2-2.

WVRedsFan
09-17-2008, 08:57 PM
Wellemeyer just might no-hit the Reds tonight. Seriously.

OnBaseMachine
09-17-2008, 08:57 PM
Votto K's. No score after three. I don't see much offense from the Reds standpoint tonight unless Votto or Bruce connect with a homerun.

nate
09-17-2008, 08:58 PM
Chat is open!

OnBaseMachine
09-17-2008, 08:59 PM
Ludwick grounds out to Phillips.

OnBaseMachine
09-17-2008, 09:00 PM
Glaus K's on three pitches.

Degenerate39
09-17-2008, 09:00 PM
Good point. This could be a potential 2 run error, but luckily Aaron gets Albert to pop out. (God, I sound like George Grande)

I have noticed an extra dipsy-doodle in your posts

OnBaseMachine
09-17-2008, 09:02 PM
Miles hits a seeing eye single but LaRue fouls out to Votto. No score after 3 1/2.

OnBaseMachine
09-17-2008, 09:03 PM
The answer to the trivia question is Mike Madden.

OnBaseMachine
09-17-2008, 09:05 PM
Andy Phillips homers to begin the bottom of the 4th inning! 1-0 Reds.

BCubb2003
09-17-2008, 09:06 PM
Has anyone complained about the lineup yet?

MrCinatit
09-17-2008, 09:06 PM
Brilliant move to start Andy Phillips - utterly brilliant. Of course, I have been saying it all along (note to self: edit all posts)

Andy Phillips with a homer...and Bruce follows up with one of his own!

OnBaseMachine
09-17-2008, 09:06 PM
And now Bruce hits a BOMB! Off the batters eye in CF!

BCubb2003
09-17-2008, 09:07 PM
Now that's a strong middle of the order.

OnBaseMachine
09-17-2008, 09:07 PM
Bruce and Votto are now tied with 19 homeruns apiece. I'd love to see them both reach 20+ as rookies.

OnBaseMachine
09-17-2008, 09:09 PM
Hanigan pops out and Patterson K's.

CTA513
09-17-2008, 09:09 PM
Bruce and Votto are now tied with 19 homeruns apiece. I'd love to see them both reach 20+ as rookies.

Bruce now has 29 total homeruns combined this season (19 with the Reds, 10 with the Bats).

OnBaseMachine
09-17-2008, 09:10 PM
Janish homers! His first major league homerun! 3-0 Reds.

Chip R
09-17-2008, 09:10 PM
I have a feeling when Big Klu posts this lineup 20 years from now, many of will be saying "You know, I was following the Reds extensively during this time, but I cannot remember ________ ever being with the club."
Andy Phillips is my first nominee.


Oooooh, Match Game. ;)

OnBaseMachine
09-17-2008, 09:10 PM
And now Harang singles. What is going on?!?

Ltlabner
09-17-2008, 09:11 PM
Hopefully Harang can fire a shutout tonight because I don't see this lineup producing more than one or two runs. ;)

You were saying?

OnBaseMachine
09-17-2008, 09:12 PM
You were saying?

I was misquoted. ;)

OnBaseMachine
09-17-2008, 09:17 PM
Wellemeyer K's swinging to begin the 5th inning.

OnBaseMachine
09-17-2008, 09:18 PM
Brendan Ryan grounds out to Richar for the second out.

OnBaseMachine
09-17-2008, 09:23 PM
Schumaker lines out softly to Janish for the third out.

According to Thom, the Reds have four starters with 140+ K's in the same season for the first time in team history. Volquez (192), Cueto (153), and Arroyo (15) are all above 150 while Harang is at 143.

OnBaseMachine
09-17-2008, 09:25 PM
Castillo grounds out sharply to second base and Votto flies out to the warning track in CF.

OnBaseMachine
09-17-2008, 09:28 PM
Phillips grounds out to Glaus. 3-0 Reds after five innings.

OnBaseMachine
09-17-2008, 09:32 PM
Lopez grounds out to Janish to begin the 6th inning.

OnBaseMachine
09-17-2008, 09:36 PM
Pujols grounds out to Janish for the second out. Ludwick swings at a 1-2 fastball nearly shoulder level and somehow grounds it into right field for a double.

Screwball
09-17-2008, 09:36 PM
Pujols grounds out to Janish for the second out.

His 1.100 OPS (that's not a typo) is taking a ding these past couple games. <knocks on wood>

OnBaseMachine
09-17-2008, 09:39 PM
Glaus also grounds out to Janish. Harang has thrown six shutout innings on only 74 pitches.

Hollcat
09-17-2008, 09:39 PM
Has Harang topped 88 mph tonight? I've been flipping back and forth and haven't seen that much of the Cardinal at bats but when I have saw them Harang hasn't gotten above 88.

OnBaseMachine
09-17-2008, 09:41 PM
Has Harang topped 88 mph tonight? I've been flipping back and forth and haven't seen that much of the Cardinal at bats but when I have saw them Harang hasn't gotten above 88.

I don't think so. He doesn't have his best stuff tonight but the results have been fantastic.

OnBaseMachine
09-17-2008, 09:42 PM
Bruce K's swinging on a 2-2 high pitch to begin the bottom of the 6th inning. Still a nice atbat.

BCubb2003
09-17-2008, 09:45 PM
I don't think so. He doesn't have his best stuff tonight but the results have been fantastic.

Send that stuff to all your generals.

OnBaseMachine
09-17-2008, 09:45 PM
Hanigan and Patterson ground out. 3-0 Reds after six innings.

OnBaseMachine
09-17-2008, 09:49 PM
Miles K's swinging to begin the 7th inning.

OnBaseMachine
09-17-2008, 09:51 PM
LaRue flies out to Bruce in shallow RF. Two outs.

OnBaseMachine
09-17-2008, 09:54 PM
Brian Barton pinch hits and hits a triple off the right field wall. That is a good example of how big of a joke this park can be. That seriously looked like a routine flyball off the bat and somehow carried to the wall.

Tony Cloninger
09-17-2008, 09:56 PM
When they talk about moving back the fences at this ballpark....that RF area...is the place.

So many cheap homers get hit there.......it's like if Tito Landrum had hit that and it went out....and that would have never happened back when he was playing in Riverfront.

OnBaseMachine
09-17-2008, 09:58 PM
Brendan Ryan K's swinging on a pitch in the dirt. 3-0 Reds after 6 1/2.

Harang: 7 IP, 6 H, 0 R, 0 BB, 4 K, 97 pitches.

Kc61
09-17-2008, 09:58 PM
Harang pitching great. He's come a long way from the injury earlier this year, you know when so many folks wanted to "shut him down."

Screwball
09-17-2008, 09:59 PM
For anybody not following the Cubs-Brewers game tonight, Sheets had to leave with a 3-1 lead after 2 IP tonight due to tightness in his right forearm.

Seems the poor guy just can't stay healthy.

Tony Cloninger
09-17-2008, 09:59 PM
Too bad that triple happened.....he was closer to being under 90 pitches.....might have had the chance for the CG SHO

OnBaseMachine
09-17-2008, 10:00 PM
It appears Harang is going to hit for himself.

Screwball
09-17-2008, 10:03 PM
Gameday says "On-field Delay." What's goin' on?

OnBaseMachine
09-17-2008, 10:03 PM
Gameday says "On-field Delay." What's goin' on?

Two fans ran on the field.

OnBaseMachine
09-17-2008, 10:05 PM
Janish flies out a step in front of the warning track in CF for the first out. Harang is hitting for himself. Can't say I'm surprised.

WVRedsFan
09-17-2008, 10:06 PM
I actually fell asleep in the 3rd inning and just woke up to see that Phillips, Bruce, and Janish have homeruns--3 of the four hits. Must be the GABP factor. They have four hits total, the fourth one from Harang.

Harang, at 97 pitches still in. Anyone screaming?

GAC
09-17-2008, 10:07 PM
Richar stinks.

Nuff said ;)

OnBaseMachine
09-17-2008, 10:07 PM
I actually fell asleep in the 3rd inning and just woke up to see that Phillips, Bruce, and Janish have homeruns--3 of the four hits. Must be the GABP factor. They have four hits total, the fourth one from Harang.

Harang, at 97 pitches still in. Anyone screaming?

Phillips homerun was probably 410 feet while Bruce's was an absolute bomb high off the batters eye in CF. Janish's was a line drive barely over the fence in LF.

OnBaseMachine
09-17-2008, 10:08 PM
Dusty needs to have someone ready in the pen in case Harang gets into trouble.

WVRedsFan
09-17-2008, 10:09 PM
Richar stinks.

Nuff said ;)

Totally agree. I'm going back to sleep...

OnBaseMachine
09-17-2008, 10:12 PM
Schumaker grounds out to Richar to begin the 8th inning.

OnBaseMachine
09-17-2008, 10:13 PM
Lopez grounds out to Richar. Two outs.

OnBaseMachine
09-17-2008, 10:14 PM
Pujols flies out routinely to Bruce. Just a nine pitch inning by Harang. 3-0 Reds after 7 1/2.

Harang: 8 IP, 6 H, 0 R, 0 BB, 4 K, 106 pitches.

Kc61
09-17-2008, 10:16 PM
Last couple of innings have been very easy for Harang. I'd let him finish. Have Coco in the pen just in case of trouble.

OnBaseMachine
09-17-2008, 10:16 PM
Castillo flies out to CF. One out.

OnBaseMachine
09-17-2008, 10:17 PM
Votto grounds out to Pujols.

WVRedsFan
09-17-2008, 10:18 PM
Cordero up in the bullpen.

WVRedsFan
09-17-2008, 10:19 PM
Players who wear those high socks without stirrups look really silly,

OnBaseMachine
09-17-2008, 10:19 PM
Phillips K's. 3-0 Reds after eight innings. I would have Cordero ready in case Harang gets into trouble.

Big Klu
09-17-2008, 10:21 PM
Bruce and Votto are now tied with 19 homeruns apiece. I'd love to see them both reach 20+ as rookies.

They each have the most homers by a Reds rookie since Bernie Carbo hit 21 in 1970.

Screwball
09-17-2008, 10:21 PM
Pitcher for the Cards in the 8th, Jason Motte:

http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:6NMu5vq-0ZPsGM:http://wap.mlb.com/images/gameday/mugshots/gif/435400.gif

Dude, where's my car?

OnBaseMachine
09-17-2008, 10:22 PM
Ludwick flies out to Patterson for the first out.

OnBaseMachine
09-17-2008, 10:23 PM
Glaus grounds out to Janish. Two quick outs.

WVRedsFan
09-17-2008, 10:24 PM
shut him down! No, he shut them down. Complete game shutout for AH. Reds win 3-0.

Arroyo and Harang fantastic agains the hated Redbirds.

Kc61
09-17-2008, 10:24 PM
Reds seem really happy for Harang. Pitched a great game tonight.

OnBaseMachine
09-17-2008, 10:24 PM
Miles flies out to Hairston in left field! A five pitch inning for Harang and a complete game shutout! Phenomenal start by Harang.

9 IP, 6 H, 0 R, 0 BB, 4 K, 111 pitches. Nice pitch efficiency too.

Screwball
09-17-2008, 10:24 PM
Cards' 3-4-5 hitters tonight: 1-12 (2B), 0 BB, 1 K.

Pretty dang impressive by Harang.

Tony Cloninger
09-17-2008, 10:25 PM
111 pitches is fine......he looked sharp and never very taxed or pressured. He seems healthy and back to being a horse.

OnBaseMachine
09-17-2008, 10:26 PM
111 pitches is fine......he looked sharp and never very taxed or pressured. He seems healthy and back to being a horse.

111 pitches in nine innings is solid. I don't think anyone has a problem with that. It's the 111 pitches in five innings that bug people.

Matt700wlw
09-18-2008, 01:16 AM
This team seems more focused as a TEAM than when the two big guys were on it. That may or may not have anything to do with those big guys....but the results seem better

Sea Ray
09-18-2008, 01:23 AM
This team seems more focused as a TEAM than when the two big guys were on it. That may or may not have anything to do with those big guys....but the results seem better

They looked a little lost shortly after the trades but that's to be expected. They'll find there way w/o them and they'll be just fine.

Matt700wlw
09-18-2008, 01:32 AM
The big question was how to 'replace' that offense.....maybe that's not the right way to look at it. Maybe you don't have to 'replace' anything...

WVRedsFan
09-18-2008, 01:36 AM
This team seems more focused as a TEAM than when the two big guys were on it. That may or may not have anything to do with those big guys....but the results seem better

Focused. I'm not so sure. This team is mostly devoid of talent across the board, but enthusiasm makes up for some of that. You have to consider that the pitching has been superior lately. You don't need many runs if that is the case. Arroyo pitches a gem last night and Harang a better gem tonight. No pressure because the staff is doing its job.

We don't know what the chemistry was when Griffey and Dunn were here, but the pitching was worse and that makes a big difference. It's understood that this won't happen every night and more offense and defense is needed to make this club a contender and I think everyone from WJ to DB knows this. The recent winning streak has a lot more to do with other teams not playing well than what we're doing unfortunately. But I'll take it every night and the only danger if we believe that we have it all, winning games with 4 hits and 3 runs when reality tells us that it really isn't going to do it over a 162-game season.

Matt700wlw
09-18-2008, 01:42 AM
They have plenty of work to do to make this team a contender, but I like what they have to work with...they may finally have the right kind of foundation in place in which to build something solid.

OnBaseMachine
09-18-2008, 08:06 PM
wrong thread