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OnBaseMachine
09-18-2008, 07:56 PM
Jerry Hairston Jr. 2b
Jeff Keppinger ss
Joey Votto 1b
Jay Bruce rf
Jolbert Cabrera lf
Corey Patterson cf
Adam Rosales 3b
Paul Bako c
Edinson Volquez p

I'd like to have seen Janish in at SS to provide the defensive upgrade.

OnBaseMachine
09-18-2008, 08:06 PM
Volquez has thrown 117+ pitches in three straight starts...it will be interesting to see how he bounces back tonight.

OnBaseMachine
09-18-2008, 08:08 PM
I look for Pujols to have a huge game tonight. He's 0-for-8 in this series so he's long overdue.

OnBaseMachine
09-18-2008, 08:10 PM
Schumaker grounds out.

Volquez gets ahead 1-2 on Miles and comes back to walk him. Man. You can't walk weak hitters like that with Pujols on deck.

OnBaseMachine
09-18-2008, 08:12 PM
Pujols walks. Volquez is no where near the strikezone tonight. He looks tired.

klw
09-18-2008, 08:13 PM
I raised this in a ST game thread but I am concerned by the Reds being so brazen in the lineup that they put that many batters up in a row with names starting with a J.
What if St. Louis brought Joel, Josh, or Jason (not that one he's hurt, the other one) out of the pen?

OnBaseMachine
09-18-2008, 08:17 PM
Lopez flied out and Glaus popped out. No score after a 1/2 inning.

MrCinatit
09-18-2008, 08:19 PM
I raised this in a ST game thread but I am concerned by the Reds being so brazen in the lineup that they put that many batters up in a row with names starting with a J.

Maybe they are trying for an Astros thing with the Killer B's?
The Jostling J's?

All they had to do is have Jeremy start, Javy catch and teach Josh to play third and Jerod to play third. That would be the ultimate J lineup.

OnBaseMachine
09-18-2008, 08:20 PM
Hairston gets rung up on a low fastball. I hope Volquez gets that call tonight.

OnBaseMachine
09-18-2008, 08:23 PM
Keppinger flies out to CF and Votto grounds out sharply on 3-1.

OnBaseMachine
09-18-2008, 08:25 PM
Kennedy pops out to Keppinger.

OnBaseMachine
09-18-2008, 08:28 PM
Johnson grounds out and Lohse K's. Strikeout #193 for Volquez.

OnBaseMachine
09-18-2008, 08:33 PM
Bruce K's looking.

Cabrera reaches on a two base throwing error by Izturis and advances to third on a wild pitch.

OnBaseMachine
09-18-2008, 08:35 PM
Patterson grounds out and Cabrera is forced to stay at third base.

lollipopcurve
09-18-2008, 08:36 PM
Rosales!

OnBaseMachine
09-18-2008, 08:36 PM
Rosales singles to left to score Cabrera! 1-0 Reds. That's the first RBI of his career.

OnBaseMachine
09-18-2008, 08:39 PM
Rosales steals second base.

Bako K's.

gm
09-18-2008, 08:39 PM
I look for Pujols to have a huge game tonight. He's 0-for-8 in this series so he's long overdue.

Let's send him on his way 0-12

Last time Lohse pitched against the Reds he was ejected for coming up and in to...was it Volquez or Cueto?

What's George Grande doing not calling a Redbird's series? (not that I mind...)

OnBaseMachine
09-18-2008, 08:39 PM
Let's send him on his way 0-12

Last time Lohse pitched against the Reds he was ejected for coming up and in to...was it Volquez or Cueto?

Volquez.

Red in Chicago
09-18-2008, 08:45 PM
Let's send him on his way 0-12

Last time Lohse pitched against the Reds he was ejected for coming up and in to...was it Volquez or Cueto?

What's George Grande doing not calling a Redbird's series? (not that I mind...)

it's amazing at how much more enjoyable it is without him, isn't it

OnBaseMachine
09-18-2008, 08:45 PM
Volquez walks the weak hitting Izturis to begin the third inning. That ain't good. That will probably lead to a big inning.

OnBaseMachine
09-18-2008, 08:47 PM
And now a four pitch walk to Skippy. Goodness. Volquez has ZERO command tonight.

gm
09-18-2008, 08:49 PM
Volquez.

So tonight is the "quiver by the river"

Did the TV crew make anything of renewing the "rivalry"?

OnBaseMachine
09-18-2008, 08:51 PM
So tonight is the "quiver by the river"

Did the TV crew make anything of renewing the "rivalry"?

They just showed some replays from when it happened... that was about it.

Miles K's. #194 for Volquez.

CTA513
09-18-2008, 08:53 PM
Pujols makes Volquez pay.

3-1 Cardinals

OnBaseMachine
09-18-2008, 08:54 PM
Pujols homerun. That's what happens when you walk weak hitters like Izturis and Schumaker. Pujols was long overdue.

Volquez has NOTHING tonight. Hopefully Dusty will learn from this and stop pushing him up around 120+ pitches in three straight starts.

gm
09-18-2008, 08:55 PM
I look for Pujols to have a huge game tonight. He's 0-for-8 in this series so he's long overdue.

You had to say it, didn't you?

Way to go "George" :thumbdown

*BaseClogger*
09-18-2008, 08:57 PM
Volquez has NOTHING tonight. Hopefully Dusty will learn from this and stop pushing him up around 120+ pitches in three straight starts.

Nah bro, Dusty's got to get him to the milestone of 200 Ks...

OnBaseMachine
09-18-2008, 08:57 PM
I look for Volquez to get lit up in his last three starts. You mix in an increase in innings pitched and ridiculous pitch counts and naturally it's going to eventually catch up to him.

OnBaseMachine
09-18-2008, 09:00 PM
Volquez grounds out

Hairston walks

Keppinger double to score Hairston, 3-2 Cards now.

OnBaseMachine
09-18-2008, 09:02 PM
Frank Thomas, you were right. Votto gets rung up on a 2-2 pitch at his ankles. Wow.

HokieRed
09-18-2008, 09:03 PM
Seems like we've been saying Volquez lacks command quite a bit lately.

OnBaseMachine
09-18-2008, 09:04 PM
Seems like we've been saying Volquez lacks command quite a bit lately.

That happens when a guy gets tired. Volquez is in unchartered territory in terms of innings pitched plus Dusty has overworked him lately.

Tony Cloninger
09-18-2008, 09:10 PM
Yes....i agree with that OBM....but Volquez has problems with pitch counts all year.

For all the stuff this guy has....he sure let's a lot of bad hitters foul pitches off him and frankly....he messes around with bad hitters then loses his mechanics.

lollipopcurve
09-18-2008, 09:10 PM
Great play by Votto on the bunt. The guy really plays with purpose.

OnBaseMachine
09-18-2008, 09:12 PM
3-2 Cards after 3 1/2.

OnBaseMachine
09-18-2008, 09:14 PM
Jolbert Cabrera flies out weakly on a 3-1 pitch to begin the 4th. Geez.

Tony Cloninger
09-18-2008, 09:16 PM
Can i be that TV stats guy?? Nolan was not 14 and 18 he was 14 and 8....good grief....wake up

PuffyPig
09-18-2008, 09:16 PM
Can i be that TV stats guy?? Nolan was not 14 and 18 he was 14 and 8....good grief....wake up

And lost 4 games 1-0.

OnBaseMachine
09-18-2008, 09:16 PM
Reds go 1-2-3 in the 4th inning. 3-2 Cards after four.

Tony Cloninger
09-18-2008, 09:19 PM
Mel Queen pitched good too and then was done. That team was in 1st until around June with good pitching and decent hitting....at least for that year anyways. Hitting was way down all over the leauge.....no team scored 700 runs, i think.

Ted Abernathy was the middle/set up and closer all in one.

OnBaseMachine
09-18-2008, 09:21 PM
Another walk to Schumaker. Here comes another big inning. Hopefully Dusty just pulls him after five innings because he clearly doesn't have it tonight.

WVRedsFan
09-18-2008, 09:30 PM
Mel Queen pitched good too and then was done. That team was in 1st until around June with good pitching and decent hitting....at least for that year anyways. Hitting was way down all over the leauge.....no team scored 700 runs, i think.

Ted Abernathy was the middle/set up and closer all in one.

Ah, Ted Abernathy--the submariner. Used to amaze me.

OnBaseMachine
09-18-2008, 09:32 PM
Volquez retires Miles and Pujols after the walk but freaking Felipe Lopez singles in a run to make it 4-2.

OnBaseMachine
09-18-2008, 09:34 PM
Three of those five walks have come around to score. I see no reason to send Volquez back out for the sixth inning. Give his arm a rest for once.

OnBaseMachine
09-18-2008, 09:35 PM
Bako begins the 5th with a single. And of course Volquez will hit for himself. We have expanded rosters but who cares, we'll continue to push our young starter.

lollipopcurve
09-18-2008, 09:36 PM
Volquez should not be at the plate right now.

WVRedsFan
09-18-2008, 09:36 PM
Volquez will have games like this and they take him out so soon every game in which he struggles, he won't be a viable MLB pitcher.

OnBaseMachine
09-18-2008, 09:36 PM
Volquez should not be at the plate right now.

Agreed 100%.

lollipopcurve
09-18-2008, 09:39 PM
Volquez will have games like this and they take him out so soon every game in which he struggles, he won't be a viable MLB pitcher.

It's never happened.

OnBaseMachine
09-18-2008, 09:39 PM
Volquez will have games like this and they take him out so soon every game in which he struggles, he won't be a viable MLB pitcher.

He's most likely pitching like this because of his heavy workload. This is the first time he's ever thrown this many innings in his career, plus he's coming off three straight games in which he threw 117+ pitches. With only a handful of games left the Reds need to take it easy on him. For the first time in the longtime the Reds actually have some good young pitching, I'd hate to see it ruined.

WVRedsFan
09-18-2008, 09:40 PM
It's never happened.


Typo. It should have read *if* they take him out. My bad.

WVRedsFan
09-18-2008, 09:42 PM
He's most likely pitching like this because of his heavy workload. This is the first time he's ever thrown this many innings in his career, plus he's coming off three straight games in which he threw 117+ pitches. With only a handful of games left the Reds need to take it easy on him. For the first time in the longtime the Reds actually have some good young pitching, I'd hate to see it ruined.

Me too, but 110 pitches, which is what he'll probably have won't mean much.

OnBaseMachine
09-18-2008, 09:47 PM
Volquez gets two K's and a ground out in the 6th inning. He's now at 100 pitches which means it's a lock for Dusty to send him back for another inning.

6 IP, 3 H, 4 R, 5 BB, 4 K

Volquez is up to 196 strikeouts this season.

WVRedsFan
09-18-2008, 09:48 PM
Volquez now at 100 pitches. Time for some offense.

OnBaseMachine
09-18-2008, 09:48 PM
Votto doubles to begin the bottom of the 6th.

WVRedsFan
09-18-2008, 09:48 PM
Votto with an "excuse me" double.

WVRedsFan
09-18-2008, 09:49 PM
Bruce is hacking at anything again. He's seen 7 pitches in 3 at bats. Lord, someone talk to this kid. Horrible

OnBaseMachine
09-18-2008, 09:49 PM
Rough night for Bruce.

lollipopcurve
09-18-2008, 09:51 PM
Bruce still has plenty to learn.

dougdirt
09-18-2008, 09:51 PM
Bruce is hacking at anything again. He's seen 7 pitches in 3 at bats. Lord, someone talk to this kid. Horrible

Well they were all strikes.... Even if he looked at all 7 he is 0-2 with 2 strikeouts and an 0-1 count now.

OnBaseMachine
09-18-2008, 09:51 PM
Cabrera seeing eye single scores Votto.

OnBaseMachine
09-18-2008, 09:53 PM
Patterson grounds into a doubleplay to end the inning. 4-3 Cardinals after six innings. Hopefully Dusty does the smart thing and pulls Volquez. Yeah Right.

lollipopcurve
09-18-2008, 09:54 PM
I'm not sure if I've ever seen a hitter makes so many identical looking outs as Patterson has made bouncing out to the right side this year.

PuffyPig
09-18-2008, 09:54 PM
The Cardinals defense has given us 3 runs on the night.

That single should have likely been caught by either Izturis or Lopez, but at the very least it could have been knocked down.

OnBaseMachine
09-18-2008, 09:55 PM
Volquez back out there for the 7th inning. Unbelievable.

OnBaseMachine
09-18-2008, 09:55 PM
The Cardinals defense has given us 3 runs on the night.

That single should have likely been caught by either Izturis or Lopez, but at the very least it could have been knocked down.

Yep. And Aaron Miles should have caught that "double" by Keppinger.

dougdirt
09-18-2008, 09:56 PM
120 pitches in a ballgame isn't abuse - Reds announcer

OnBaseMachine
09-18-2008, 09:57 PM
Lohse K's. #197 for Volquez.

lollipopcurve
09-18-2008, 09:57 PM
Well they were all strikes

No, they weren't. The pitch he fanned on in the 2nd AB was down and in. He's taken a lot of strikes tonight. Bad sign when you're taking strikes and swinging at balls. He's just been real inconsistent.

RedsManRick
09-18-2008, 09:57 PM
This is the Dusty I have a problem with. Abuse is one thing. A complete unwillingness to simply play it safe when the game is meaningless is another. Perhaps abuse is the wrong word - the right one is neglect.

dougdirt
09-18-2008, 09:58 PM
When a pitcher's elbow or shoulder starts barking its not the fault of the manager or pitching coach because of abuse - Reds announcers agree on this comment. Seriously, they said that.

OnBaseMachine
09-18-2008, 09:58 PM
Izturis lines out.

mbgrayson
09-18-2008, 10:01 PM
Volquez through 7 innings on 113 pitches. Reds trail 4-3 after six and a half....

OnBaseMachine
09-18-2008, 10:01 PM
Schumaker walks for the third time tonight. Miles lines out to end the inning.

7 IP, 3 H, 4 R, 6 BB, 5 K, 113 pitches.

That's the second straight start he's walked six batters. That's a sign of a tired pitcher.

dougdirt
09-18-2008, 10:02 PM
That's a sign of a tired pitcher.

Well thats why he now has 13 games of 110+ pitches this year.... so he won't be tired next year. :rolleyes:

OnBaseMachine
09-18-2008, 10:03 PM
Rosales doubles to deep left to begin the 7th. I'd pinch hit for Bako here. Get this run in and get Volquez off the hook.

lollipopcurve
09-18-2008, 10:03 PM
Rosales!!

OnBaseMachine
09-18-2008, 10:04 PM
I honestly don't know why Bako is hitting here. He squares to bunt and takes a strike, then bunts the next pitch foul, and then pops a bunt up. Paul Bako is the most worthless player I've ever seen. I can't understand why he continues to play.

dougdirt
09-18-2008, 10:05 PM
I honestly don't know why Bako is hitting here. He squares to bunt and takes a strike, then bunts the next pitch foul, and then pops a bunt up. Paul Bako is the most worthless player I've ever seen. I can't understand why he continues to play.

There are a lot of really dumb people in baseball making personnel deciscions.

mbgrayson
09-18-2008, 10:10 PM
I'm sorry, it's not just Bako, it's bunting. I hate bunting. It is usually counter-productive, even when it works.

See THIS site (http://baseballanalysts.com/archives/2006/07/empirical_analy_1.php)for an analysis of bunting. The chances of scoring one run with a runner on second and no outs is 60%. THe chances of scoring one run with a runner on third and one out is 66%. Of course, there is also a significant chance the bunt does not work, and you end up with a runner on second and one out, with a 40% probability of scoring.

I just hate giving up outs.

OnBaseMachine
09-18-2008, 10:10 PM
Andy Phillips grounds out on ball four. What is with those Phillips boys and not being bale to lay off awful pitches at the ankles?

OnBaseMachine
09-18-2008, 10:11 PM
It looks like letting Paul Bako hit may end up costing the Reds a chance at winning this game.

OnBaseMachine
09-18-2008, 10:13 PM
Hairston walks.

lollipopcurve
09-18-2008, 10:13 PM
Dusty's given up 2 outs since the 5th, having Volquez hit/bunt and Bako hit/bunt. One more time and it'll make a full inning. And the team's been behind, too.

OnBaseMachine
09-18-2008, 10:16 PM
Russ Springer in to relieve Lohse with two outs and runners on the corner for Keppinger. I still can't believe Dusty let Bako hit. Pinch hitting there was a no-brainer.

dougdirt
09-18-2008, 10:17 PM
Russ Springer in to relieve Lohse with two outs and runners on the corner for Keppinger. I still can't believe Dusty let Bako hit. Pinch hitting there was a no-brainer.

But who would have played catcher? We don't have anyone else.

OnBaseMachine
09-18-2008, 10:20 PM
Keppinger does what he does best - a weak pop out. Letting Paul Bako hit probably cost us a run.

OnBaseMachine
09-18-2008, 10:22 PM
Keppinger has a .650 OPS but continues to hit second thanks to his great contact AKA weak pop out/doubleplay skills.

OnBaseMachine
09-18-2008, 10:23 PM
In comes Roenicke to face the meat of the Cards order.

OnBaseMachine
09-18-2008, 10:23 PM
Pujols lines out to Bruce.

schroomytunes
09-18-2008, 10:24 PM
I really think that Keppenger wont be back next year, he has no stick whatsoever!

PuffyPig
09-18-2008, 10:24 PM
Letting Paul Bako hit probably cost us a run.

Unless that PH for Bako got a hit and knocked him in, we would not have scored. I wouldn't list the chances of that guy getting a hit as "probably".

Which doesn't excuse Baker of leaving him in.

OnBaseMachine
09-18-2008, 10:25 PM
Lopez K's on high heat.

OnBaseMachine
09-18-2008, 10:26 PM
Glaus doubles.

lollipopcurve
09-18-2008, 10:26 PM
Fastball, fastball, fastball, etc., etc.

klw
09-18-2008, 10:27 PM
How does Roenicke look tonight? Less nervous?

OnBaseMachine
09-18-2008, 10:27 PM
Fastball, fastball, fastball, etc., etc.

He threw a curve to Lopez. And just threw one to Kennedy.

OnBaseMachine
09-18-2008, 10:28 PM
RBI double by Kennedy. 5-3 Cards. That's probably ballgame.

OnBaseMachine
09-18-2008, 10:29 PM
Johnson flies out to Cabrera. With the lefties Kennedy and Johnson coming up I was surprised they didn't bring Herrera in.

lollipopcurve
09-18-2008, 10:30 PM
And just threw one to Kennedy.

Wasn't close. They can sit fastball on Roenicke, and it showed.

Tony Cloninger
09-18-2008, 10:32 PM
CW said he spoke with Baker about the high pitch counts and WJ was in the room....and had no problem with it. It helps for next year....he said...they both said.

So WJ is in agreement.......now what?

OnBaseMachine
09-18-2008, 10:32 PM
Ryan Franklin in to pitch.

OnBaseMachine
09-18-2008, 10:33 PM
Votto lines a double into the right field corner to begin the 8th.

dougdirt
09-18-2008, 10:33 PM
CW said he spoke with Baker about the high pitch counts and WJ was in the room....and had no problem with it. It helps for next year....he said...they both said.

So WJ is in agreement.......now what?

It means same old Reds.... hire people ill equipped for the job. WJ is old school and that statement tells me all I need to know about the likely future of the Reds pitching staff.

OnBaseMachine
09-18-2008, 10:35 PM
Bruce gets ahead 2-0. 2-1. Ball three. 3-1. Pops out. Geez. Rough night for Jay.

OnBaseMachine
09-18-2008, 10:36 PM
And now Cabrera swings at a first pitch at his ankles and a foot outside.

OnBaseMachine
09-18-2008, 10:37 PM
Cabrera lines out softly to Lopez and tags second base to double off Votto. Man oh man. Two straight innings the Reds strand a lead off double. There goes the four game winning streak.

OnBaseMachine
09-18-2008, 10:40 PM
In comes the struggling Jared Burton. Soft line drive to center, Patterson hesitates and lets it fall.

OnBaseMachine
09-18-2008, 10:44 PM
Izturis grounds into a doubleplay.

Matt700wlw
09-18-2008, 10:47 PM
Do they have a dramatic finish in them?

Hoosier Red
09-18-2008, 10:48 PM
Schumaker walks for the third time tonight. Miles lines out to end the inning.

7 IP, 3 H, 4 R, 6 BB, 5 K, 113 pitches.

That's the second straight start he's walked six batters. That's a sign of a tired pitcher.

Actually it sounds like he got better as the night went on. His last two innings were very smooth. Maybe he's not tired.

Or maybe he is, but my guess is either way we really have no clue.

OnBaseMachine
09-18-2008, 10:49 PM
5-3 Cards after 8 1/2.

Patterson/Rosales/Bako due up.

OnBaseMachine
09-18-2008, 10:51 PM
Patterson gets ahead 3-1 and then swings at a 3-1 pitch shoulder height and fouls it off. Good grief. 3-2 now. And then he takes ball four inside.

Matt700wlw
09-18-2008, 10:52 PM
Owings should get a PA in this inning.

OnBaseMachine
09-18-2008, 10:53 PM
Rosales flies out to left.

Matt700wlw
09-18-2008, 10:53 PM
Dickerson to PH....that works too

OnBaseMachine
09-18-2008, 10:53 PM
Dickerson is pinch hitting for Bako. I wish Dusty would have done this two innings ago.

OnBaseMachine
09-18-2008, 10:55 PM
Dickerson gets ahead 3-1.

OnBaseMachine
09-18-2008, 10:56 PM
3-1 on Dickerson. Swing and a miss. 3-2. K's swinging. Blew the fastball past him twice.

Matt700wlw
09-18-2008, 10:57 PM
Javy.

OnBaseMachine
09-18-2008, 10:58 PM
Valentin also ahead 3-1.

OnBaseMachine
09-18-2008, 10:59 PM
Valentin walks. First and second two outs for Hairston.

Matt700wlw
09-18-2008, 11:00 PM
Walk!

OnBaseMachine
09-18-2008, 11:01 PM
Hairston singles to score Patterson. 5-4 now. Castillo advances to third. Here comes Keppinger to do one of his famous pop outs or ground outs.

Matt700wlw
09-18-2008, 11:01 PM
Tonyball

OnBaseMachine
09-18-2008, 11:02 PM
If only the Reds had capitalized on one of those lead off doubles.

OnBaseMachine
09-18-2008, 11:03 PM
Jason Motte is the new Cardinals pitcher.

Matt700wlw
09-18-2008, 11:07 PM
Ballgame.

OnBaseMachine
09-18-2008, 11:07 PM
Keppinger fouls off a high pitch. 0-1. Called strike two. Ball up and away. 1-2. Ball low. 2-2. Ball up and away. 3-2. Keppinger weakly flies out. The Reds have three black holes in the lineup when Patterson, Bako, and Keppinger play.

OnBaseMachine
09-18-2008, 11:08 PM
Finding a new shortstop has got to be the number one goal in the offseason for Walt Jocketty. All Keppinger can do is hit weak pop outs/ground outs and watch routine groundballs roll into the outfield. He's a solid sub and that's it.

Matt700wlw
09-18-2008, 11:09 PM
He's lost something since the injury. Either that or we're seeing why he's never stuck anywhere

Red in Chicago
09-18-2008, 11:12 PM
Keppinger fouls off a high pitch. 0-1. Called strike two. Ball up and away. 1-2. Ball low. 2-2. Ball up and away. 3-2. Keppinger flies out on ball four. He's awful. Awful. The Reds have three black holes in the lineup when Patterson, Bako, and Keppinger play.

i wouldn't go so far as to say he's awful, he's just getting too much playing time...he's simply not an everyday player...unfortunately, the reds have too many players like him...

WVRedsFan
09-19-2008, 12:12 AM
He's lost something since the injury. Either that or we're seeing why he's never stuck anywhereI think it's the latter. There is a reason why most players never stick with one club. There is also a reason some don't make it. Kepp was exposed with everyday play.