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OnBaseMachine
09-25-2008, 08:20 PM
Lineup:
Jerry Hairston Jr., lf
Corey Patterson, cf
Joey Votto, 1b
Edwin Encarnacion, 3b
Jay Bruce, rf
Jeff Keppinger, ss
Danny Richar, 2b
Paul Bako, c
Johnny Cueto, rhp
v. Roy Oswalt

Volquez and Ramirez finished strong, hopefully Cueto can do the same.

Degenerate39
09-25-2008, 08:43 PM
I thought Volquez had one more start?

OnBaseMachine
09-25-2008, 08:46 PM
I thought Volquez had one more start?

They're skipping his final start.

OnBaseMachine
09-25-2008, 08:48 PM
I've got a good feeling that Cueto is going to beat Oswalt tonight but I won't make that prediction. My predictions have stunk this year... before the season I predicted the Tigers to win close to 110 games and win the World Series. I was just a liiiitttttle off. ;)

Red in Chicago
09-25-2008, 09:05 PM
that will be the lone reds run tonight;)

OnBaseMachine
09-25-2008, 09:06 PM
Patterson homers. 1-0 Reds. That was a bomb.

redsmetz
09-25-2008, 09:06 PM
I've got a good feeling that Cueto is going to beat Oswalt tonight but I won't make that prediction. My predictions have stunk this year... before the season I predicted the Tigers to win close to 110 games and win the World Series. I was just a liiiitttttle off. ;)

Does John Fay know about this?

OnBaseMachine
09-25-2008, 09:06 PM
Does John Fay know about this?

:D

dougdirt
09-25-2008, 09:06 PM
Roy Oswalt sucks against Corey Patterson.

remdog
09-25-2008, 09:06 PM
Talk about conflicted feelings. I love it when the Reds score but I would love it if Patterson did nothing to warrent bringing him back. :thumbup: :thumbdown

Rem

mth123
09-25-2008, 09:07 PM
No one wants to say Patterson hit a HR and Dusty may have known that he's been successful against Oswalt when he stuck him in the 2 hole.

1-0 Reds

dougdirt
09-25-2008, 09:09 PM
No one wants to say Patterson hit a HR and Dusty may have known that he's been successfuk against Oswalt when he stuck him in the 2 hole.

1-0 Reds

He has been WHAT?!

Red in Chicago
09-25-2008, 09:09 PM
Talk about conflicted feelings. I love it when the Reds score but I would love it if Patterson did nothing to warrent bringing him back. :thumbup: :thumbdown

Rem

you and me both...i don't want any part of him or bako next year

mth123
09-25-2008, 09:10 PM
He has been WHAT?!

A poor typist. I edited my post.

OnBaseMachine
09-25-2008, 09:13 PM
Cueto got ahead 0-2 on Matsui, threw a nice pitch on the corner but the ump called it a ball. Now it's 3-2. He reaches on an infield single. I miss the defense of Brandon Phillips at second base.

Degenerate39
09-25-2008, 09:13 PM
Patterson homers. 1-0 Reds. That was a bomb.

He just earned himself the leadoff spot for next season.

OnBaseMachine
09-25-2008, 09:15 PM
Looks like a pretty small strikezone tonight. I thought Oswalt got squeezed a bit in the top of the inning and now it appears Cueto is getting squeezed. That looked like strike three on Matsui.

mth123
09-25-2008, 09:15 PM
He just earned himself the leadoff spot for next season.

Nah. No way Walt does that.

OnBaseMachine
09-25-2008, 09:19 PM
Bourn and Tejada pop out.

OnBaseMachine
09-25-2008, 09:21 PM
Six straight fastballs to Berkman. Walked him on 3-2. Where's the slider?

OnBaseMachine
09-25-2008, 09:22 PM
Blum grounds out. 1-0 Reds after one inning.

OnBaseMachine
09-25-2008, 09:24 PM
Bruce begins the second inning with a line drive single to left.

OnBaseMachine
09-25-2008, 09:26 PM
Bruce steals 2nd as Keppinger K's.

OnBaseMachine
09-25-2008, 09:31 PM
Richar K's looking. Bako walks.

WVRedsFan
09-25-2008, 09:31 PM
I can't believe Oswalt pitched around Bako to get to Cueto. Johnny probably is a better hitter. Well, maybe not.

OnBaseMachine
09-25-2008, 09:32 PM
Cueto K's. 1-0 Reds after 1 1/2.

WVRedsFan
09-25-2008, 09:33 PM
One thing you can say about our two young pitchers. They'll swing wildly at anything. Absolutely no thought of getting a hit--just getting out of the batter's box is their goal :).

OnBaseMachine
09-25-2008, 09:38 PM
Pence singles on a groundball to CF. Cueto's stuff still isn't as sharp as it was before his injury. Still, I'd say fatigue has more to do with that. It's still encouraging that's he pitched fairly well in his last few starts despite not having his great stuff.

OnBaseMachine
09-25-2008, 09:41 PM
Wigginton flies out.

Ausmus grounds into a force out.

A passed ball by Bako allowed Ausmus to advance to 2nd.

OnBaseMachine
09-25-2008, 09:42 PM
Oswalt singles. It seems like Cueto is throwing a ton of fastballs tonight.

WVRedsFan
09-25-2008, 09:45 PM
Matsui fouling off ball 4 several times

WVRedsFan
09-25-2008, 09:47 PM
Uh oh. Bases clearing double and 3 runs score. 3-1 Stros

OnBaseMachine
09-25-2008, 09:47 PM
Once again, Cueto throws six straight fastballs. Where is the changeup or slider. I wonder who is called these pitches.

WVRedsFan
09-25-2008, 09:47 PM
Botched DP cost dearly.

AmarilloRed
09-25-2008, 09:49 PM
Once again, Cueto throws six straight fastballs. Where is the changeup or slider. I wonder who called these pitches.

Bako is the catcher. He should be responsible for calling the pitches.More reason to have Hanigan showing us what he can do in September.

OnBaseMachine
09-25-2008, 09:49 PM
Botched DP cost dearly.

Yep. Jeff Keppinger is a joke of a defensive player. All three of those runs should be unearned but unfortunately you can't assume the doubleplay. No wonder so many teams gave up on Keppinger. He's a liability in the field.

PuffyPig
09-25-2008, 09:50 PM
He just earned himself the leadoff spot for next season.


Every time Patterson gets a hit, some will will say either that he's earned a contract for next season, or the leadoff spot or whatever.

Just saying.

OnBaseMachine
09-25-2008, 09:51 PM
Cueto's ERA jumps from 4.57 to 4.72 thanks to Keppinger. How many runs has this guy cost the pitching staff this season?

PuffyPig
09-25-2008, 09:51 PM
Bako is the catcher. He should be responsible for calling the pitches.More reason to have Hanigan showing us what he can do in September.


Most pitches are called from the dougout or by the pitcher.

AmarilloRed
09-25-2008, 09:56 PM
Most pitches are called from the dougout or by the pitcher.

Is that a recent development? I thought catchers called for pitches in the past.

CTA513
09-25-2008, 09:57 PM
Botched DP cost dearly.

Keppingers defense is overrated.

WVRedsFan
09-25-2008, 09:59 PM
I certainly hope we can find a shortstop who is durable as well as a good fielder (and can hit .270 or so). We see fantastic plays from most of the teams we play, but it's always the same for the Reds. A botched play dooms our team.

WVRedsFan
09-25-2008, 10:01 PM
What's with Cueto and the low inside pitches tonight? I don't recall this before.

*BaseClogger*
09-25-2008, 10:03 PM
Keppingers defense is overrated.

:eek: By who?

WVRedsFan
09-25-2008, 10:04 PM
:eek: By who?George, Chris, Marty, Brantley, and Dusty.

WVRedsFan
09-25-2008, 10:05 PM
Keppinger once again can't get the ball out of his glove.

CTA513
09-25-2008, 10:05 PM
:eek: By who?

Lots of people

WVRedsFan
09-25-2008, 10:08 PM
Cueto has a lot ot learn about pitching. He's young.

PuffyPig
09-25-2008, 10:09 PM
Lots of people


Everyone on the board acknowledges that Keppingers defense stinks. If it`s overrated, it must be worse that stinks.

You may be right.

OnBaseMachine
09-25-2008, 10:11 PM
Keppinger once again can't get the ball out of his glove.

Keppinger may be the worst defensive shortstop I have ever seen.

WVRedsFan
09-25-2008, 10:11 PM
I think it's time to shut Cueto down for the season. Here comes Dusty.

OnBaseMachine
09-25-2008, 10:12 PM
Dusty needs to just pull Cueto. He doesn't have his stuff tonight, plus Jeff Keppinger is giving the Astros runs by the inning.

*BaseClogger*
09-25-2008, 10:14 PM
George, Chris, Marty, Brantley, and Dusty.

I miss so much not being able to hear them. I can't believe we don't get FSN here!

Spring~Fields
09-25-2008, 10:14 PM
Cueto has a lot ot learn about pitching. He's young.

Maybe his arm is still bothering him, didn't they say that Volquez had been working through knee problems for some time now?

OnBaseMachine
09-25-2008, 10:14 PM
So Cueto's ERA will finish above 4.80 - it's hard to tell how much better his ERA would be if he had just an average shortstop behind him. Still, this was a very impressive rookie season by Cueto. He's going to be a stud.

OnBaseMachine
09-25-2008, 10:16 PM
I think it's time to shut Cueto down for the season. Here comes Dusty.

I would've shut him down after his injury. His stuff was flat in his final four starts after the injury.

AmarilloRed
09-25-2008, 10:16 PM
5-1 Astros, with the bases still loaded. Adkins is entering the game.

Spring~Fields
09-25-2008, 10:17 PM
So Cueto's ERA will finish above 4.80 - it's hard to tell how much better his ERA would be if he had just an average shortstop behind him. Still, this was a very impressive rookie season by Cueto. He's going to be a stud.

I would have liked to see more substantial improvement as his season progressed, I am not sold on Cueto under the present pitching coach and team manager.

WVRedsFan
09-25-2008, 10:17 PM
Keppinger may be the worst defensive shortstop I have ever seen.
Agreed.

I also thought Cueto tried to nibble too much keeping the ball down and in. He was throwing 94-95 and couldn't get a pitch over. His 2.2 innings showed 7 hits, 5 runs (so far) three walks. Horrible performance.

OnBaseMachine
09-25-2008, 10:19 PM
I would have liked to see more substantial improvement as his season progressed, I am not sold on Cueto under the present pitching coach and team manager.

Cueto did show great improvement in the second half. He posted a 2.77 ERA in in five starts in August, and pitched well in two of his four September starts despite not having his best stuff after the injury.

Spring~Fields
09-25-2008, 10:22 PM
Cueto did show great improvement in the second half. He posted a 2.77 ERA in in five starts in August, and pitched well in two of his four September starts despite not having his best stuff after the injury.

You do have a point, plus we don't know for sure how long he was dealing with whatever arm problems he was having before it became more public knowledge. Though sometimes even though it was a small sample for Ramirez, it seemed at times that he had better control and location on his pitching than Cueto, maybe I am wrong, nothing new there, it happens.

Matt700wlw
09-25-2008, 10:22 PM
It's not my money, but Mario Soto needs to be here full time. I can't think of anyone better to help develop Cueto, Volquez, and Ramirez. Throw the money at him...make it very difficult to say no.

AmarilloRed
09-25-2008, 10:24 PM
It's not my money, but Mario Soto needs to be here full time. I can't think of anyone better to help develop Cueto, Volquez, and Ramirez

I don't think it's a matter of money. I don't think Soto wants to be the full time pitching coach.

OnBaseMachine
09-25-2008, 10:24 PM
The Reds have played awful defense all season long but it seems like they always saved their worst for when Cueto pitched. I can remember earlier in the year at Shea Stadium when Griffey and Patterson got mixed up and allowed a ball to drop in to score a couple runs off Cueto. I remember Dunn misplaying a two out flyball in the 7th inning in Chicago back in July - that led to three runs off Cueto, and now tonight Keppinger cost him three or four runs. Nothing is more frustrating than watching the defense give away runs.

WVRedsFan
09-25-2008, 10:25 PM
Here's an interesting stat...every single Astro (including the pitcher) has a higher average than Bako, Richar, and Patterson. Four sure outs out of 9 (excepting Patterson's feak HR) and you don't win many games, especially facing Oswalt.

OnBaseMachine
09-25-2008, 10:27 PM
You do have a point, plus we don't know for sure how long he was dealing with whatever arm problems he was having before it became more public knowledge. Though sometimes even though it was a small sample for Ramirez, it seemed at times that he had better control and location on his pitching than Cueto, maybe I am wrong, nothing new there, it happens.

Cueto had exceptional command and control in the minors... he posted a phenomenal 2.12 BB/9 in the minor leagues. I don't expect control issues to be a problem for him in the future.

Spring~Fields
09-25-2008, 10:28 PM
It's not my money, but Mario Soto needs to be here full time. I can't think of anyone better to help develop Cueto, Volquez, and Ramirez. Throw the money at him...make it very difficult to say no.

I would like to think that Soto would be a difference maker who can really help these guys too, at least we were given a strong impression that he was able to make a big contribution to their growth and development through the media.

Matt700wlw
09-25-2008, 10:30 PM
I don't think it's a matter of money. I don't think Soto wants to be the full time pitching coach.

That very well could be the case.

Spring~Fields
09-25-2008, 10:31 PM
The Reds have played awful defense all season long but it seems like they always saved their worst for when Cueto pitched.

Poor defense and low run support was a problem most of the season that the pitching had to deal with, good point. Had to effect them some if not alot.

Matt700wlw
09-25-2008, 10:33 PM
What is it about Oswalt and this franchise? The players change, and they still cannot get this guy

remdog
09-25-2008, 10:41 PM
I was impressed as to how quickly Owings got down the line on that ground ball. I hadn't seen him run before.

Does he have decent speed?

Rem

Matt700wlw
09-25-2008, 10:42 PM
I almost forgot about Majewski....that is now a rhing of the past

Matt700wlw
09-25-2008, 10:46 PM
I don't see Majewski makes this team next season...

AmarilloRed
09-25-2008, 10:48 PM
I don't see Majewski makes this team next season...

He is eligible for arbitration this off-season. The Reds should simply refuse to offer it to him, and that will be it.

Matt700wlw
09-25-2008, 10:53 PM
He is eligible for arbitration this off-season. The Reds should simply refuse to offer it to him, and that will be it.

I like easy solutions :)

Matt700wlw
09-25-2008, 10:57 PM
For those taking notes, the Mets and Cubs are tied in the 9th......again

OnBaseMachine
09-25-2008, 11:34 PM
Keppinger. LOL. It's hard to have a worse night in the field than he's had.

OnBaseMachine
09-26-2008, 12:05 AM
Another solid night for Bruce as he went 2-for-4 with a double.

OnBaseMachine
09-26-2008, 12:16 AM
Hairston just hit a 3-run homer. The Reds trailed 8-1 in the 9th but have cut it to 8-6 with only one out.

WVRedsFan
09-26-2008, 12:20 AM
Could there be a miracle?

OnBaseMachine
09-26-2008, 12:21 AM
The Reds need baserunners, so what does Patterson do? Swings at a 1-0 pitch at his shoulders.

OnBaseMachine
09-26-2008, 12:22 AM
Patterson K's on another pitch at his shoulders. He refused that walk.

WVRedsFan
09-26-2008, 12:23 AM
That's what I mean by sure outs. Patterson is mother of all problems

OnBaseMachine
09-26-2008, 12:25 AM
Votto lines a single to RF to keep the game going. EdE is up now with Bruce on deck.

WVRedsFan
09-26-2008, 12:25 AM
Votto singles and the tying run comes to the plate.

WVRedsFan
09-26-2008, 12:25 AM
Edwin is going through one of his "lost" periods.

OnBaseMachine
09-26-2008, 12:26 AM
Edwin swings at a shoulder level pitch, takes a strike, and then chases another shoulder level pitch. Reds lose 8-6.

WVRedsFan
09-26-2008, 12:26 AM
EdE shows why the Reds need to look for a third baseman. Not that he didn't get a hit, but he also swung at two shoulder high pitches in striking out.

WVRedsFan
09-26-2008, 12:28 AM
Boy, Welsh does a lousy air guitar.

OnBaseMachine
09-26-2008, 12:29 AM
Reds finish 3-12 against the Astros. They can play well against the Cubs, Brewers, and Cardinals but can't beat the Astros and Pirates. Go figure.

lollipopcurve
09-26-2008, 12:33 PM
Play Janish all 3 games against St. Louis.

Baker says the defense must improve, but he has played a succession of awful defenders at SS (Kepp, Hairston, Cabrera) while leaving Janish on the bench most of the time.

Matt700wlw
09-26-2008, 04:25 PM
Reds finish 3-12 against the Astros. They can play well against the Cubs, Brewers, and Cardinals but can't beat the Astros and Pirates. Go figure.

They're this years Brewers to them...