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WVRed
10-11-2008, 10:56 PM
And to kick it off, new uniforms:)

http://kentucky.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=861647


Upon hearing the powers that be at Nike and Kentucky left an eighth square blank in the waistband of their new uniform shorts, Penny Chenery leaned over a whispered in Billy Gillispie's ear.

UK coach Billy Gillispie sat with Secretariat owner Penny Chenery at the unveiling of the Cats' new uniforms on Friday.
"No pressure," Chenery said.

All Gillispie could do was laugh. Kentucky unveiled its new uniform ensemble at a no-expense-spared VIP event on Friday and where it was revealed that the shorts included all seven of the Cats' national championship years plus a box for the next one the message from Chenery was perfect. The owner of super horse Secretariat knows what it's like to have a whole world watching.

"You have no idea how much of a fan of yours I've been forever and your horse," Gillispie told Chenery when he stepped to the podium. "I was 14 years old when he won the Triple Crown and I remember exactly where I was that day. I can still remember them saying 'He's moving like a tremendous machine.' What a great champion he was."

Drawing inspiration from Secretariat's distinctive silks and the Commonwealth's deep-rooted love affair with thoroughbred racing, college basketball's winningest program set out to develop a uniform both unique and inspirational. The 18-month process culminated in a star-studded affair on Keeneland Race Track's grounds that featured all seven of the Cats' national title trophies and four lockers full of new UK gear.

It was the perfect prelude to Big Blue Madness, set to take place just hours later at Rupp Arena.

"I'm amazed at some of these things," Gillispie said. "We are going to have 24,000 fans at (Madness) and Secretariat one time before his last race was training at Aqueduct, very synonymous with our (Madness), and he had 33,000 people come out to see him on a non-racing day. What he did was, and what Kentucky has always done, is inspire greatness."

Nike's creative team, led by a Corbin native, gave a 15-minute presentation on what went into the design of the new uniforms. The tighter fitting tops and longer shorts are 18 percent lighter than last year's model, but the attention to detail was stunning.

The uniforms have a muted checkerboard pattern designed to evoke images of Secretariat's blue and white checkered silks storming down the lane in the 1973 Belmont Stakes. There are also two tributes to the late Bill Keightley - a black 'K' in the word 'KENTUCKY' and a small black vertical patch that reads 'Mr. Wildcat' in script.

The entire team entered the event wearing the full ensemble, complete with royal blue shoes that they will wear this season. As for that empty box, well Gillispie had a message for Mrs. Chenery as well.

"Our goal at Kentucky basketball is to fill in that last box," Gillispie said.

Chenery knows the feeling.

http://media.kentucky.com/smedia/2008/10/10/20/283-081010UNIFORMSsmg002.standalone.prod_affiliate.79. jpg

http://media.kentucky.com/smedia/2008/10/10/20/748-081010UNIFORMSsmg005.standalone.prod_affiliate.79. jpg

I really like the new uniforms. The checkerboard design and Secretariat look is pretty neat, same with the "K" and Mr. Wildcat design on the uniform.

Daniel Orton played in the pickup game and had a good showing. He is down to Kentucky and Kansas. I just hope the Midnight Madness helps in the recruiting effort.

Thoughts?

GoReds33
10-11-2008, 11:04 PM
I really like the white ones. They have a clean, but new look that exudes tradition. On the contrary, I am not very fond of the blue. The color is good, but the checker doesn't look good on that color. The style of the shorts is very cool. I think the years would be better if they had them going up the sides, or up the white and black parts of the shorts, to kind of symbolize the road they have traveled.

Maybe I'm putting too much thought into this.:)

RedRoser
10-12-2008, 08:51 PM
WV Red and UK Fans:
In case you've been away today, Daniel Orton has decided on UK, has committed, and has already had a press conference announcing his decision. All that before he left Lexington from the weekend!
Man are we gonna SERIOUSLY kick some tail the next few years!!!

Don't tell my wife or kids, but my "Man Love" for Billy G. just keeps growing and growing and . . . lol!

TeamSelig
10-12-2008, 09:40 PM
Heres to ONE of my teams being good this year (hopefully)

WVRed
10-12-2008, 11:41 PM
If Kentucky can somehow convince Patterson to stay for his junior year, this team could be unstoppable in the paint in 2009. With Pilgrim and Orton joining Patterson and Stevenson, we could have the deepest frontcourt in the nation.

2009 is shaping up pretty nicely with Hood, Orton, Vilarino, and Pilgrim. Depending on who else is out there, this could really be fun to watch.

The main area of concern this year is going to be PG and depth. It will likely come down to Michael Porter, Kevin Galloway, or DeAndre Liggins. Porter has been the model of inconsistency throughout his Kentucky career, and unless he has made major adjustments, this could be a problem. He would likely be the favorite over Kevin Galloway and DeAndre Liggins.

If I had to guess:
PG-Michael Porter
SG-Jodie Meeks
SF-Ramon Harris
PF-Perry Stevenson
C-Patrick Patterson

cumberlandreds
10-13-2008, 01:06 AM
If Kentucky can somehow convince Patterson to stay for his junior year, this team could be unstoppable in the paint in 2009. With Pilgrim and Orton joining Patterson and Stevenson, we could have the deepest frontcourt in the nation.

2009 is shaping up pretty nicely with Hood, Orton, Vilarino, and Pilgrim. Depending on who else is out there, this could really be fun to watch.

The main area of concern this year is going to be PG and depth. It will likely come down to Michael Porter, Kevin Galloway, or DeAndre Liggins. Porter has been the model of inconsistency throughout his Kentucky career, and unless he has made major adjustments, this could be a problem. He would likely be the favorite over Kevin Galloway and DeAndre Liggins.

If I had to guess:
PG-Michael Porter
SG-Jodie Meeks
SF-Ramon Harris
PF-Perry Stevenson
C-Patrick Patterson

I really think Liggins will start. I can't Porter playing all that much unless there are injuries or Galloway and Liggins struggle badly. The other four are probably right. Orton was huge get in recruiting. He was their main target for next season. If Patterson does stay their frontline will be huge and pretty darn good. But, I think, if Patterson has they type of season we all think he will have he will certainly go pro. Should be a fun year and pretty good one.

WVRed
10-13-2008, 09:34 AM
I really think Liggins will start. I can't Porter playing all that much unless there are injuries or Galloway and Liggins struggle badly. The other four are probably right. Orton was huge get in recruiting. He was their main target for next season. If Patterson does stay their frontline will be huge and pretty darn good. But, I think, if Patterson has they type of season we all think he will have he will certainly go pro. Should be a fun year and pretty good one.

When Patterson first came he talked of staying all four years. I think his knee injury changed a lot of that.

Just think if we hadn't lost Derrick Jasper right now.

WMR
10-21-2008, 02:12 AM
Coach Gillispie said during his interview during Big Blue Madness that Michael Porter has made the most progress of any player on the team. I don't think there's any doubt that he will begin the season as the starting point guard unless something truly crazy happens.

cumberlandreds
10-21-2008, 08:14 AM
Coach Gillispie said during his interview during Big Blue Madness that Michael Porter has made the most progress of any player on the team. I don't think there's any doubt that he will begin the season as the starting point guard unless something truly crazy happens.

He must have made tremendous improvement. Last season he was a turnover machine and looked overwhelmed most of the time. I hope he has because they will be very young at PG.

BRM
10-21-2008, 10:42 AM
Am I allowed to comment in this thread? WMR got mad last year when Dab and I posted in the UK threads. :cool:

WMR
10-21-2008, 12:04 PM
Am I allowed to comment in this thread? WMR got mad last year when Dab and I posted in the UK threads. :cool:

hahaha of course you're welcome. :D

it's not like you're going to have much in the way of Indiana basketball to get excited about this year.

BRM
10-21-2008, 12:18 PM
hahaha of course you're welcome. :D

it's not like you're going to have much in the way of Indiana basketball to get excited about this year.

Actually, I'm very much looking forward to watching the youngsters develop. I can't wait for the season to start!

Are the Wildcats picked to win the SEC by any publications?

WMR
10-21-2008, 12:21 PM
Actually, I'm very much looking forward to watching the youngsters develop. I can't wait for the season to start!

Are the Wildcats picked to win the SEC by any publications?

I agree with you on the Hoosiers. And your boy Crean will do it the right way, no questions about that.

You know... that's a good question... I bet most will pick Tennessee. I think Kentucky has a great chance to win the SEC, however. Coach Gillispie has built a great team.

Looks like Liggins will get qualified... Galloway has been impressive as a JuCo... Miller is impressing the hell out of everybody...

UK is going to have a really nice season this year, I think. And it's only going to get better.

BRM
10-21-2008, 12:27 PM
I saw one preseason poll that had UK finishing 3rd in the East, behind UT and Florida.

WMR
10-21-2008, 12:28 PM
I saw one preseason poll that had UK finishing 3rd in the East, behind UT and Florida.

Have you seen Florida's schedule this season? Disgraceful as usual.

BRM
10-21-2008, 12:32 PM
Here's a UK preview you guys might find interesting.

http://www.athlonsports.com/college-basketball/14166/2008-kentucky-wildcats-hoops-preview

cumberlandreds
10-21-2008, 02:19 PM
SEC media picked UK third behind UT and Florida. I think they may surprise some people this year. But I"m always optimistic this time of year. In the past Billy G's second year teams improved tremendously at UTEP and Texas A & M.


http://www.kentucky.com/818/story/562693.html

Javy Pornstache
10-21-2008, 02:36 PM
Porter might be the PG extremely early, but I fully expect Liggins or Galloway to take over before too long. Reportedly, Liggins in particular has made tremendous strides in recent weeks. I know Porter was working on his shot, shooting over 500 three-pointers a day in the offseason, but as a PG, he is extremely weak moving with the ball and a turnover machine as earlier mentioned.

WMR
10-21-2008, 03:02 PM
Porter might be the PG extremely early, but I fully expect Liggins or Galloway to take over before too long. Reportedly, Liggins in particular has made tremendous strides in recent weeks. I know Porter was working on his shot, shooting over 500 three-pointers a day in the offseason, but as a PG, he is extremely weak moving with the ball and a turnover machine as earlier mentioned.

I agree, Javy. I should have included in my post that I fully expect Liggins or Galloway to supplant Porter sooner rather than later.

Blimpie
10-22-2008, 08:29 PM
I saw one preseason poll that had UK finishing 3rd in the East, behind UT and Florida.Last time I checked, Tyler Smith can only play one position at a time.

UK will sweep Tennessee this year.

WMR
10-22-2008, 09:14 PM
Last time I checked, Tyler Smith can only play one position at a time.

UK will sweep Tennessee this year.

:dancingco:dancingco:dancingco:dancingco:dancingco

time to show Hopson exactly why he made such a poor decision to play for Pearl and his No-D-playing Merry Band of Thugs attired in their ugly orange apparel. :D

joshnky
10-22-2008, 09:56 PM
Wow. There is an awful lot of optimism in this thread for a team that has awfully big holes to fill with freshmen. It must be a down year for the SEC. ;)

BRM
10-23-2008, 10:39 AM
Last time I checked, Tyler Smith can only play one position at a time.

UK will sweep Tennessee this year.

No one sweeps The Pearl. No one. :cool:

Rocky Top you'll always be
Home sweet home to me
Good ol' Rocky Top
Rocky Top Tennessee,
Rocky Top Tennessee

danken12
10-23-2008, 12:06 PM
No one sweeps The Pearl. No one. :cool:

Rocky Top you'll always be
Home sweet home to me
Good ol' Rocky Top
Rocky Top Tennessee,
Rocky Top Tennessee

I think I threw up a little bit seeing those lyrics.
On, On, UK we are right for the fight today!!!!

Go Cats! Vols suck!

BRM
10-23-2008, 12:12 PM
I think I threw up a little bit seeing those lyrics.


That's WMR's favorite song. He sings it every evening before supper.

Hoosier Red
10-23-2008, 03:13 PM
I like the new uniforms, but alas, I'm afraid they won't do. Kentucky will never get back to it's previous level of greatness until it once again embraces the ugly uniforms of the mid nineties.
The Triangle pattern on the shorts, the "denim blue" uniforms. Kentucky and classy just can't go together.
:p:

BRM
10-23-2008, 03:24 PM
Kentucky and classy just can't go together.
:p:

Amen.

WMR
10-23-2008, 07:02 PM
That's WMR's favorite song. He sings it every evening before supper.

If there is a hell, that dreadful song is playing on a continuous loop.

jmcclain19
10-24-2008, 03:25 AM
Go Wildcats
http://store.cstv.com/marketplace/store/Vendor381/fullscale/TM0335-c.jpg
http://www.geocities.com/Colosseum/Park/1806/1997Champs.jpg
http://i.a.cnn.net/si/2007/sioncampus/01/17/roadtrip.arizona/p1_lute.jpg
http://assets.espn.go.com/photo/2008/0316/ncb_a_simon_200.jpg

cumberlandreds
10-24-2008, 08:39 AM
Go Wildcats
http://store.cstv.com/marketplace/store/Vendor381/fullscale/TM0335-c.jpg
http://www.geocities.com/Colosseum/Park/1806/1997Champs.jpg
http://i.a.cnn.net/si/2007/sioncampus/01/17/roadtrip.arizona/p1_lute.jpg
http://assets.espn.go.com/photo/2008/0316/ncb_a_simon_200.jpg

Lute should give UK a big thanks for getting him two big raises after Joe B. Hall retired and Sutton resigned.

BRM
10-24-2008, 12:56 PM
If there is a hell, that dreadful song is playing on a continuous loop.

Dab used to say the exact same thing.

macro
10-24-2008, 01:22 PM
Lute should give UK a big thanks for getting him two big raises after Joe B. Hall retired and Sutton resigned.

Yep, that has been my grudge against him for all these years: that he used UK twice with no intention of actually considering the job either time, which is what I have always believed.

I hope he sends Pitino a Christmas card every year, in thanks for sitting out a healthy Derek Anderson. :p:

Blimpie
10-24-2008, 01:41 PM
Lute should give UK a big thanks for getting him two big raises after Joe B. Hall retired and Sutton resigned.and for allowing Nazr Mohammed to clank 5 free throws in OT.

BEETTLEBUG
11-03-2008, 10:00 PM
Does anyone know score of UK pre season game?

WMR
11-03-2008, 10:14 PM
111-53

WVRed
11-03-2008, 11:22 PM
Stats from the game:

Meeks had 27 points and 4 assists.

Patrick Patterson 24 points, 11 boards

The real eye opener: Josh Harrellson 21 points and 12 rebounds in 16 minutes.:eek:

Darius Miller and Ramon Harris also saw double figures.

Harrellson looks like the real deal right about now. I know its preseason, but wow.

jesusfan
11-04-2008, 11:18 AM
Harrellson will bee a stud this season, just wait... He will blossom under Gillispie. I know i'm biased and it was an exhibition game against an inferior team, but you have to love the team's chemistry and togetherness! Can't wait for that Nov.18th matchup with the Heels!

BRM
11-04-2008, 11:36 AM
Can't wait for that Nov.18th matchup with the Heels!

I can't either. The Heels will roll.

WMR
11-04-2008, 11:44 AM
I can't either. The Heels will roll.

Don't start barking too loudly, my friend.

I've already got the cutest little avatar picked out for you and Razor when the Hoosiers get their spanking.

jesusfan
11-04-2008, 11:46 AM
I can't either. The Heels will roll.

We will see... I know what you're thinking though, who in the world is Josh Harrellson, Deandre Liggins, Darius Miller or Jodie freakin Meeks...If You have never seen Harrellson, Liggins, Miller or a healthy Meeks... I guess you will on Nov.18.... Should be a great match-up!!

Patterson > Hansbrough
Harrellson = Thompson
Harris < Green
Meeks = Ellington
Liggins < Lawson

Bench UK = UNC
Stevenson Davis
Stewart Zeller
Miller Graves
Porter Frasor
Galloway Drew

BRM
11-04-2008, 11:55 AM
Don't start barking too loudly, my friend.

I've already got the cutest little avatar picked out for you and Razor when the Hoosiers get their spanking.

I have little to no hope for much success this year in Bloomington. Most IU fans understand it's going to take a few years for Crean to get things back on track.

That doesn't mean I can't enjoy the occasional beatdown of the mighty Wildcats. ;)

joshnky
11-04-2008, 12:31 PM
We will see... I know what you're thinking though, who in the world is Josh Harrellson, Deandre Liggins, Darius Miller or Jodie freakin Meeks...If You have never seen Harrellson, Liggins, Miller or a healthy Meeks... I guess you will on Nov.18.... Should be a great match-up!!

Patterson > Hansbrough
Harrellson = Thompson
Harris < Green
Meeks = Ellington
Liggins < Lawson

Bench UK = UNC
Stevenson Davis
Stewart Zeller
Miller Graves
Porter Frasor
Galloway Drew

This is hilarious and delusional. You could argue that Patterson and Hansbrough are at best a push but UNC is superior at every other position including the bench. Given that the game is early and UNC is the more experienced team the odds skew even further away from UK.

UK has potential in a down SEC but youth and inexperience should hurt them in the non-conference slate.

WVRed
11-04-2008, 12:38 PM
This is hilarious and delusional. You could argue that Patterson and Hansbrough are at best a push but UNC is superior at every other position including the bench. Given that the game is early and UNC is the more experienced team the odds skew even further away from UK.

UK has potential in a down SEC but youth and inexperience should hurt them in the non-conference slate.

I would probably take Psycho T over Patterson right now. Stevenson will likely be starting over Harrellson also.

The bench no question is advantage UNC. Keep in mind that UNC will be able to run two top big men recruits out to keep Hansborough fresh. Davis and Zeller alone are better than most anybody on Kentucky's bench.

My hope is Kentucky keeps it close, but a little too much optimism to be calling on the Heels.

BRM
11-04-2008, 12:38 PM
This is hilarious and delusional. You could argue that Patterson and Hansbrough are at best a push but UNC is superior at every other position including the bench. Given that the game is early and UNC is the more experienced team the odds skew even further away from UK.

They are playing in Chapel Hill, right? I just can't see UK winning that one.

WVRed
11-04-2008, 12:42 PM
They are playing in Chapel Hill, right? I just can't see UK winning that one.

Yep. On a Tuesday night.

WMR
11-04-2008, 12:45 PM
UNC is my pick this year in this game, but make no mistake, UK under Coach Gillispie is on the way back and on the right track.

However: I take Patrick Patterson over Tyler all day every day. Last year he straight up OWNED Hansbrough in that match-up.

BRM
11-04-2008, 12:47 PM
UNC is my pick this year in this game, but make no mistake, UK under Coach Gillispie is on the way back and on the right track.

However: I take Patrick Patterson over Tyler all day every day. Last year he straight up OWNED Hansbrough in that match-up.

You have much man-love for Billy Clyde. :cool:

I'd take Hansbrough personally. He's better coached. ;)

jesusfan
11-04-2008, 01:40 PM
Don't forget Matt Pilgrim may become eligible, just found out some new information... Don't tell me that all 160 lbs of Tyler Zeller is going to do anything inside against Patterson or Harrellson... THat is a joke, Ed Davis probably, but not Zeller! PLEASE!

joshnky
11-04-2008, 01:44 PM
UNC is my pick this year in this game, but make no mistake, UK under Coach Gillispie is on the way back and on the right track.

However: I take Patrick Patterson over Tyler all day every day. Last year he straight up OWNED Hansbrough in that match-up.

True but I saw different players in the Louisville matchups. Padgett and Caracter dominated Patterson while Hansbrough hit dagger after dagger in the tourney. Don't get me wrong, I think Patterson has more talent but I give the edge to Hansbrough based on his experience coupled with a superior mid-range touch.

WMR
11-04-2008, 01:56 PM
True but I saw different players in the Louisville matchups. Padgett and Caracter dominated Patterson while Hansbrough hit dagger after dagger in the tourney. Don't get me wrong, I think Patterson has more talent but I give the edge to Hansbrough based on his experience coupled with a superior mid-range touch.

It's not really uncommon for freshmen to have up and down games throughout the season... even great freshmen like Patrick Patterson. I'm judging him by his entire body of work as a freshman, not just his one game against UNC or his game against UL.

Generally, the greatest improvements from a player come during the freshman to sophomore season...

also, watch out for Jodie Meeks. Kid is on a mission this season.

jmac
11-04-2008, 06:19 PM
It's not really uncommon for freshmen to have up and down games throughout the season... even great freshmen like Patrick Patterson. I'm judging him by his entire body of work as a freshman, not just his one game against UNC or his game against UL.

Generally, the greatest improvements from a player come during the freshman to sophomore season...

also, watch out for Jodie Meeks. Kid is on a mission this season.

Bingo ! A healthy Meeks can fill it up and compliment PP very well. They are as stated on the way back. Best players are still young but at least heading in right direction.

WVRed
11-04-2008, 06:32 PM
Don't forget Matt Pilgrim may become eligible, just found out some new information... Don't tell me that all 160 lbs of Tyler Zeller is going to do anything inside against Patterson or Harrellson... THat is a joke, Ed Davis probably, but not Zeller! PLEASE!

More like 6'11, 220. Kentucky was hot after him at one point in time.

Bottom line is, Davis and Zeller are ranked 10th and 21st in the nation, respectively. Maybe not so much against Patterson, but I believe Zeller could hold his own against Harrellson or even Stevenson.

jesusfan
11-04-2008, 06:39 PM
More like 6'11, 220. Kentucky was hot after him at one point in time.

Bottom line is, Davis and Zeller are ranked 10th and 21st in the nation, respectively. Maybe not so much against Patterson, but I believe Zeller could hold his own against Harrellson or even Stevenson.

I was being sarcastic about Zeller... Harrellson would abuse him down low! Strength will be the difference....
Harrellson 6'10 265 vs Zeller 6'11 210 or Davis 6'9 215

SKINNY!http://www.maxpreps.com/FanPages/Images/Photos/6fcedfd9-5af5-47f0-b453-5773ced37b1d.jpghttp://www2.pictures.gi.zimbio.com/Missouri+St+Louis+v+Kentucky+on9HaqyfJAZl.jpghttp://www2.pictures.gi.zimbio.com/Missouri+St+Louis+v+Kentucky+U-IEidE0wZWl.jpg

jesusfan
11-04-2008, 06:51 PM
It should be a fun game though... seriously.... http://tarheelmania.files.wordpress.com/2007/03/hansbrough_bloody.jpg

Gainesville Red
11-05-2008, 10:11 PM
Patterson's buddy Jai Lucas announced he's transferring today. Weird.

WMR
11-05-2008, 10:12 PM
Patterson's buddy Jai Lucas announced he's transferring today. Weird.

Wow, any scuttlebutt as to why? Wonder where he will go...

I always thought he was too undersized for the SEC.

You've got to be REALLY talented to get away with playing at that size in the SEC.

Gainesville Red
11-05-2008, 10:17 PM
Lucas started all 36 games for Florida last season, averaging 8.5 points and 2.3 assists.

Per Gainesville Sun:

There is much speculation that Lucas will end up with a Big 12 Conference team to be closer to his native Bellaire, Texas, a suburb of Houston.

Donovan:

“He didn’t feel like it was the best fit at that point for him,” Donovan said. “We were using him a little bit off the ball with Nick back there and I don’t think he was mad about that, but I don’t know if (he wanted) to play over there that much. I think on any team there’s a little bit of give and take by everybody. I don’t blame Jai. He’s got to be happy. There’s no reason to go through your career and say, ‘Hey I’m unhappy every day coming to practice.’”

Lucas:

“I just think we were going in different directions.” Lucas said. “I have no regrets about it. The coaching staff, the players, the school, were great. I had a great time while I was here. I just wanted something else.”

“I haven’t really thought about anything other than finishing the semester and getting my credits,” Lucas said.

Gainesville Red
11-05-2008, 10:18 PM
I'm pretty surprised. Lucas was undersized, but he was a freshman, you know. He was quick and has a nice shot. Sounds like he just wants to play the point, and isn't happy unless he gets to.

Weird.

WMR
11-05-2008, 10:26 PM
I'm pretty surprised. Lucas was undersized, but he was a freshman, you know. He was quick and has a nice shot. Sounds like he just wants to play the point, and isn't happy unless he gets to.

Weird.

Really odd. You figure that he had to know going in that Calathes was going to be tough/impossible to beat out for that job.

Gainesville Red
11-05-2008, 10:30 PM
Yeah, it's just weird, he started in the exhibition game last night (edit: two nights ago). Scored 12 points. Meh, if a guy doesn't want to be somewhere, you gotta let him go.

Donovan said in the article that Lucas will still have access to the weight room, practice facilities, academic staff and everything until he goes. I thought that was pretty cool.

WMR
11-05-2008, 10:48 PM
Yeah, it's just weird, he started in the exhibition game last night (edit: two nights ago). Scored 12 points. Meh, if a guy doesn't want to be somewhere, you gotta let him go.

Donovan said in the article that Lucas will still have access to the weight room, practice facilities, academic staff and everything until he goes. I thought that was pretty cool.

Yeah that is classy of Billy D.

Maybe he thinks that if he's going to have any chance of playing professionally (be it in Europe or wherever), he needs to be playing PG exclusively. He's certainly not going to make any money playing SG anywhere. However, that goes back to the earlier issue that he should've known going in that the PG spot would belong to Calathes.

Gainesville Red
11-05-2008, 10:51 PM
However, that goes back to the earlier issue that he should've known going in that the PG spot would belong to Calathes.

You'll get no argument from me there. Calathes had the job the moment pen hit pad on signing day.

I haven't read much from Kentucky fans, but I bet you guys hate him, huh?

He just strikes me as a guy that other teams hate. Sometimes there's guys like that.

WMR
11-05-2008, 10:59 PM
You'll get no argument from me there. Calathes had the job the moment pen hit pad on signing day.

I haven't read much from Kentucky fans, but I bet you guys hate him, huh?

He just strikes me as a guy that other teams hate. Sometimes there's guys like that.

Oh yeah. Especially after he got up in a few of our guy's faces talking trash...

It will be fun watching UK and Florida go at it this season. Should be--at least--two good games.

Gainesville Red
11-05-2008, 11:02 PM
Here's a measuring stick............

Who do you dislike most, Calathes or Matt Walsh?

Is it close?

WMR
11-05-2008, 11:03 PM
Here's a measuring stick............

Who do you dislike most, Calathes or Matt Walsh?

Is it close?

hahahahah you made me LOL when I read that post. :p:

right now it is Walsh by a mile... Calathes still has 2-3 years to surpass him, however. :laugh:

Gainesville Red
11-05-2008, 11:05 PM
Everyone hated Matt Walsh. Half of Gainesville hated Matt Walsh.

(All that matters to Matt Walsh is that Lauren Anderson doesn't hate Matt Walsh.)

WMR
11-05-2008, 11:06 PM
Everyone hated Matt Walsh. Half of Gainesville hated Matt Walsh.

(All that matters to Matt Walsh is that Lauren Anderson doesn't hate Matt Walsh.)

Who is Lauren Anderson?

Gainesville Red
11-05-2008, 11:07 PM
Ahh, Google Image Search my friend. Google Image Search.


*Disclaimer: Don't look for Lauren Anderson while at work.

WMR
11-05-2008, 11:09 PM
http://images.teamsugar.com/files/users/1/15259/29_2007/playboy_playmate_05_wenn1465803.preview_0.jpg

you can tell what her talent is.

must be a grade-A moron to be with Matt Walsh. Wonder why he plays in the GREEK league? :laugh:

Gainesville Red
11-05-2008, 11:16 PM
I'm not sure where he is now. I know the Heat cut him in early October, but I haven't heard where he's landed since.

Lauren Anderson is a Playmate from Gainesville. Sort of a local celebrity. I've seen her downtown a few times, and know a couple of people that know her, but I've never met her. Apparently they're still together, have been for years (mostly because I haven't been introduced to her yet, I assure you.).

KronoRed
11-05-2008, 11:21 PM
We all know she will ditch Walsh for GR as soon as he puts on the charm :D

WMR
11-05-2008, 11:23 PM
We all know she will ditch Walsh for GR as soon as he puts on the charm :D

Well, considering HER standards, all GR needs to do is act like an ass towards everyone that he comes into contact with and SHE'LL find HIM. :laugh: :D

Gainesville Red
11-05-2008, 11:40 PM
Well, considering HER standards,

Geez, wasn't it you that brought up her "talent" earlier in the thread? Don't tell Mrs. GR (as if she doesn't know), but it's not her standards or virtue I'd be interested in.

Walsh get's knocked around a lot by fans. He acts pretty cocky on the court, but he's one of the guys I have had a few drinks with in the past. He's actually a pretty good guy. Or was then. It's been years.

He's got that Calathes-esque "I look like a crybaby when anything doesn't go my way on the court."

-Don't misconstrue this as meaning I'm not a fan (of these two), and I don't even mean it as an insult. Part of their game, good or bad. Just calling it as I see it. They flop. Look like a bunch of soccer players out there.

WVRed
11-06-2008, 12:09 PM
Hate to interrupt the hot chick debate, but Jai Lucas is transferring at the end of the semester.

My guess is Okie State or somewhere in the Big 12. I have heard Kentucky mentioned, but I don't see it coming to fruition.

BRM
11-06-2008, 12:11 PM
Hate to interrupt the hot chick debate, but Jai Lucas is transferring at the end of the semester.

My guess is Okie State or somewhere in the Big 12. I have heard Kentucky mentioned, but I don't see it coming to fruition.

Lucas is old news. They discussed him 15 posts ago.

jesusfan
11-06-2008, 03:54 PM
Dear Jai,

No thanks, we have Deandre Liggins with G.J Vilarino and K.C Ross Miller coming in 09 and 10... You had your chance, sorry.

Sincerely,

UK fan base

WMR
11-07-2008, 10:13 PM
Perry Stevenson has 16 points, 20 rebounds, and 7 blocks tonight.

BRM
11-08-2008, 01:00 AM
Perry Stevenson has 16 points, 20 rebounds, and 7 blocks tonight.

I wouldn't get too caught up in the stats when they are playing cupcakes.

WMR
11-08-2008, 01:02 AM
I wouldn't get too caught up in the stats when they are playing cupcakes.

I'm not. Just a nice stat line.

WVRed
11-08-2008, 09:47 AM
I'm not. Just a nice stat line.

They also didn't play very well from what I read.

Gillispie was even chewing out Stevenson after the game for some of the plays made.

jesusfan
11-08-2008, 10:14 AM
They also didn't play very well from what I read.

Gillispie was even chewing out Stevenson after the game for some of the plays made.

No, they didn't play very well... But, that is the difference in this year's team compared to last year's team. Last year, they would've won by single digits, this year they pulled away and got up by as much as 33 points, winning by 22.

WMR
11-08-2008, 12:31 PM
They also didn't play very well from what I read.

Gillispie was even chewing out Stevenson after the game for some of the plays made.

Yeah in the post-game show he said that he felt that Perry played "Okay" but that he could also "Play much better."

I really like how Coach Gillispie holds HIMSELF to the same high standards that he holds his players. He always says "We, the Coaches need to do a better job of preparing these guys for this or that" BEFORE he says anything about a particular player. I'm not sure if Tubby ever took that sort of responsibility in 11 years in Lexington.

jmac
11-08-2008, 01:45 PM
No, they didn't play very well... But, that is the difference in this year's team compared to last year's team. Last year, they would've won by single digits, this year they pulled away and got up by as much as 33 points, winning by 22.

Plus they did they played much better and pulled way ahead after a halftime chewing.
16 TO's in first half and 2 thru the majority of the second half. (not sure what final total was)

Javy Pornstache
11-12-2008, 07:09 PM
Question for the UK fans that are out of Kentucky (or anyone that can answer, really):

I need to get a package from DirecTV to get UK b-ball games this season. What would be the better bet - to get the DirecTV sports tier that has all the Fox Sports affiliates, or would it be better to just get the ESPN Full Court season package? Price doesn't matter too much, just matters which avenue would get more of the UK games. Their early season games against the smaller teams are on the Big Blue Sports Network, which would be on some of the FSN South affiliates - but what about the SEC conference games on Raycom? Do they get picked up by ESPN Full Court in addition to the early-season BBSN games? Are UK games easily viewable by either means?

Any help would be greatly appreciated!

cumberlandreds
11-13-2008, 08:13 AM
Question for the UK fans that are out of Kentucky (or anyone that can answer, really):

I need to get a package from DirecTV to get UK b-ball games this season. What would be the better bet - to get the DirecTV sports tier that has all the Fox Sports affiliates, or would it be better to just get the ESPN Full Court season package? Price doesn't matter too much, just matters which avenue would get more of the UK games. Their early season games against the smaller teams are on the Big Blue Sports Network, which would be on some of the FSN South affiliates - but what about the SEC conference games on Raycom? Do they get picked up by ESPN Full Court in addition to the early-season BBSN games? Are UK games easily viewable by either means?

Any help would be greatly appreciated!

Your best bet is get the ESPN Full Court package. You will get all the BBSN games and all the Raycom games. Full Court is showing UK 16 times this season. The most of anyone. In fact,I'm ordering today.:)

BRM
11-13-2008, 01:16 PM
Hansbrough is "extremely doubtful" for this Saturday's game according to Roy Williams. There is a good chance he won't play Tuesday either. That's good news for Cats fans.

Javy Pornstache
11-13-2008, 01:39 PM
Your best bet is get the ESPN Full Court package. You will get all the BBSN games and all the Raycom games. Full Court is showing UK 16 times this season. The most of anyone. In fact,I'm ordering today.:)

Very cool, thanks a bunch, I'll be joining you in ordering today it looks like!

joshnky
11-14-2008, 10:29 PM
Nice defense. UK made the #277 team (Sagarin) look like all stars.

Good thing they match up so well with UNC. ;)

WVRed
11-14-2008, 10:29 PM
*Impending Meltdown*

WMR
11-14-2008, 10:34 PM
Hey when you're giving such major minutes to freshmen (Liggins and Miller), these kinds of things happen. Poor defense, but I actually saw quite a few encouraging things late in the 2nd half.

joshnky
11-14-2008, 10:37 PM
Hey when you're giving such major minutes to freshmen (Liggins and Miller), these kinds of things happen. Poor defense, but I actually saw quite a few encouraging things late in the 2nd half.

I agree. They have plenty of time to rebound but I'll take some joy at the misery of our rivals. I'm also enjoying this in light of some of the extremely optimistic comments in this thread regarding the UNC match up. Kentucky will be lucky if they keep it as close as they did last year.

cumberlandreds
11-14-2008, 10:49 PM
*Impending Meltdown*

It is melting down. I can't get into Wildcatnation.net. Absolutely pathetic performance. To me it looked like they hadn't practiced at all,at least defensively anyway. If anything BG has put himself in a huge hole with the fanbase that will very hard to dig out from. It's going to take some major victories over some big name teams to get them just to begin to forget about this loss. Very discouraging to say the least. The only solace is that they are very young and can comeback. But how many times can you keep coming back after losing to very bad teams like VMI and Gardner Webb?

WVRed
11-14-2008, 10:50 PM
I agree. They have plenty of time to rebound but I'll take some joy at the misery of our rivals. I'm also enjoying this in light of some of the extremely optimistic comments in this thread regarding the UNC match up. Kentucky will be lucky if they keep it as close as they did last year.

I'm not exactly going to jump on the optimistic train right now, but I think the UNC game won't be the blowout people expect(That could change if Hansbrough plays). Hopefully jesusfan isn't having a Come to Jesus meeting right now.;)

VMI runs an uptempo style of play, Kyle Macy even said tonight they were playing street ball. Playing uptempo works when you are hitting everything in sight and that is exactly what happened. If they hadn't, it would have been a blowout the other way.

What scares me right now is our point guard play. Michael Porter may go down as the most hated player in Kentucky basketball not named Saul Smith. I'm hoping Liggins can step into the role and improve so Porter can stay buried on the bench.

WMR
11-14-2008, 10:55 PM
It is melting down. I can't get into Wildcatnation.net. Absolutely pathetic performance. To me it looked like they hadn't practiced at all,at least defensively anyway. If anything BG has put himself in a huge hole with the fanbase that will very hard to dig out from. It's going to take some major victories over some big name teams to get them just to begin to forget about this loss. Very discouraging to say the least. The only solace is that they are very young and can comeback. But how many times can you keep coming back after losing to very bad teams like VMI and Gardner Webb?

I think you're overreacting quite a bit.

When a team pulls up for a 3 with 10 seconds off the shot clock what are you supposed to do except hope they miss? They took circus shot after circus shot and made them all.

Were there defensive lapses? Yes.

This was invaluable learning experience for Liggins and Miller.

We need to just roll with those two guys and let them play through their mistakes. Porter is not capable of handling the point.

WMR
11-14-2008, 10:59 PM
Did we let VMI coax us into their run and gun style of play?

Yes.

Another sign of a young, generally inexperienced team.

WVRed
11-14-2008, 11:01 PM
It is melting down. I can't get into Wildcatnation.net. Absolutely pathetic performance. To me it looked like they hadn't practiced at all,at least defensively anyway. If anything BG has put himself in a huge hole with the fanbase that will very hard to dig out from. It's going to take some major victories over some big name teams to get them just to begin to forget about this loss. Very discouraging to say the least. The only solace is that they are very young and can comeback. But how many times can you keep coming back after losing to very bad teams like VMI and Gardner Webb?

I feel like I am going to be talking a lot of people out of suicide tonight.

I've always held to the three year rule when it comes to coaches:

First year: Implement your system.
Second year: Show some improvement once your players are in place.
Third year: You better start producing.

And even with this loss tonight, there was improvement. Last years team likely would have lost by even more if they had gotten down by this much to VMI, even with Bradley and Crawford. This team is better conditioned for a horse race, last years team was not.

I'm not ready to pull the plug on Gillispie just yet. Let's see how they respond Tuesday night. It wouldn't surprise me if they were looking ahead as well.

macro
11-15-2008, 12:21 AM
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/ABPub/2008/01/09/2004116231.jpg

Hoosier Red
11-15-2008, 12:24 AM
Is VMI the team that took Duke to the gun last year or two years ago?

WMR
11-15-2008, 12:42 AM
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/ABPub/2008/01/09/2004116231.jpg

You'll have to explain that one to me, Macro.

Boston Red
11-15-2008, 01:36 AM
Is VMI the team that took Duke to the gun last year or two years ago?

That was Belmont. VMI is the team that runs up and down the floor, scores a bunch of points, and generally loses about as many as they win in the Big South.

macro
11-15-2008, 01:58 AM
You'll have to explain that one to me, Macro.

Sorry about the weird attempt at a joke, WM. It was my sarcastic way of saying "Way to go tonight, fellas." Just doing a little Billy Clyde bashing is all, and given the situation, that was the least flattering photo I could come up with.

WMR
11-15-2008, 02:15 AM
Sorry about the weird attempt at a joke, WM. It was my sarcastic way of saying "Way to go tonight, fellas." Just doing a little Billy Clyde bashing is all, and given the situation, that was the least flattering photo I could come up with.

:D

i was really impressed with how he handled the post-game show.

"It was all my fault."

Clearly this game didn't go how we as fans wanted it to go, but it still remains so refreshing to have a coach who refuses to say negative things about his players to the press. He will say things that the team/individuals need to improve upon, but he always puts the onus for making that happen on his own shoulders.

WMR
11-15-2008, 02:17 AM
The biggest thing that Coach Gillispie talked about during his post-game conference was a lack of leadership on the floor in terms of the players.

Someone (hopefully more than just one) will have to step up and assume that leadership role. He also said there was not nearly enough communication on the floor tonight (which ties into the general dearth of leadership).

WVRed
11-15-2008, 07:30 AM
That was Belmont. VMI is the team that runs up and down the floor, scores a bunch of points, and generally loses about as many as they win in the Big South.

I thought it was the same team that had Anthony Grant, but that is Virginia Commonwealth.

Gainesville Red
11-15-2008, 09:12 AM
Anthony Grant

An easy mistake to make. You'll understand if I'm a little bias (Go Gators), but I think Anthony Grant is one of the next big names in coaching. Big things on his horizon.

Losing an early game to VMI sucks, but maybe it's the kind of blessing in disguise game. It wouldn't shock me to see Florida blow a similar game early this year. I didn't watch Kentucky last night, so I don't really know what I'm talking about, but sometimes I think young guys come out of high school and feel like if they strap on the Blue and White, or Orange and Blue, and feel like good things will magically happen. All they know is that they've always been the best player on the court, and Kentucky's always been good. So mash those two factors together, and good things are bound to happen, you know? This kind of early loss underlines the need for work ethic for them. D1 college basketball players, even those on VMI or Toledo, are big and fast. Coaches can tell them whatever they want, but they gotta see it with their own eyes.

Sucks to lose, and it's embarrassing, but in the large scheme of things it's not that big a deal. No BCS to see here, move along.

WMR
11-15-2008, 10:48 AM
Really nice post, GR. Good points.

Coach Gillispie has been on record as being very unhappy with the way the team has been practicing, as recently as the night before the game, so I think your comments have plenty of merit.

BRM
11-15-2008, 11:59 AM
I'd love to be able to come in here and trash talk but I just can't. I expect the Hoosiers to lose lots of games to teams like VMI this year. This stinks. Now I can't even get excited about a UK loss. :(

Bip Roberts
11-15-2008, 12:01 PM
lol

cumberlandreds
11-17-2008, 08:31 AM
Really nice post, GR. Good points.

Coach Gillispie has been on record as being very unhappy with the way the team has been practicing, as recently as the night before the game, so I think your comments have plenty of merit.

From most of what I have been reading he had been very pleased with practices. He had even said this was one of his better teams practice-wise. Something happended between the practice court and the game.

cumberlandreds
11-17-2008, 08:40 AM
I think you're overreacting quite a bit.

When a team pulls up for a 3 with 10 seconds off the shot clock what are you supposed to do except hope they miss? They took circus shot after circus shot and made them all.

Were there defensive lapses? Yes.

This was invaluable learning experience for Liggins and Miller.

We need to just roll with those two guys and let them play through their mistakes. Porter is not capable of handling the point.

I think anyone who watches basketball very much would have to agree that UK team looked poorly prepared and no adjustments whatsoever were made during the game. It seems as though BG treats these pre conference games like practices and tries to get his players to play through the mistakes. You have to do that to a point but you can't to the point of losing the game. Last season was a honeymoon for BG. Most people and I'm one of them knew their would be a transition period and would lose quite a few games. I think most believe this year should be a lot less losing. If they go into SEC play with 5,6,7 or more losses BG will be feeling the pressure more than ever and things will not be pretty in Lexington.

WVRed
11-17-2008, 09:50 AM
If they go into SEC play with 5,6,7 or more losses BG will be feeling the pressure more than ever and things will not be pretty in Lexington.

And it is unfortunate. Might as well give more credence to what Dick Vitale and all the "experts" said when Tubby left for Minnesota.

It's one thing when the coach has been there ten years and has little to show outside of his first year with another coaches players. Gillispie is in his second year, and while there should be some improvement, it's still not going to be pretty, especially when two of your freshman are getting major minutes.

If you remember back in I think 2003, when Kentucky went on a roll during the SEC play and locked up the no 1 seed and ranking, they looked atrocious in pre-conference games, losing by 20 to Louisville.

The real reason I believe Kentucky lost is simple. They were looking ahead to tomorrow night in Chapel Hill. That is Gillispie's fault in that he needed to keep them focused on the task at hand.

WMR
11-17-2008, 10:52 AM
From most of what I have been reading he had been very pleased with practices. He had even said this was one of his better teams practice-wise. Something happended between the practice court and the game.

That's simply incorrect. He said in his postgame show following the loss to VMI that he was very displeased with the practice the night before the game. Also, he commented that he was very troubled by the fact that this team seems to lack general toughness. He said that he thinks they are capable of toughness, just that he has yet to see it.

WMR
11-17-2008, 10:58 AM
And it is unfortunate. Might as well give more credence to what Dick Vitale and all the "experts" said when Tubby left for Minnesota.

Yep.

Hoosier Red
11-17-2008, 11:13 AM
Just curious, when does the "Tubby left us nothing" cupboard go empty. I'm not saying that as a criticism now, but just in general would like to know how long you can use that excuse.

I'd think with as much as freshmen and sophomores play regularly now, the well should run dry right about at the end of this year correct?

durl
11-17-2008, 11:14 AM
There have been some very positive comments made here and I'm grateful. :D

I'm just not used to losing the home opener. By all accounts, a weaker program with less talented players came in to Rupp Arena and scored 111 points and beat you in front of your home crowd. Sorry...I'm just having a hard time blowing it off as a "young team", "second-year coach" thing.

Maybe the team should be forced to put away the new baggy duds and wear 70's era shorts until they can get it together. ;)

cumberlandreds
11-17-2008, 11:23 AM
That's simply incorrect. He said in his postgame show following the loss to VMI that he was very displeased with the practice the night before the game. Also, he commented that he was very troubled by the fact that this team seems to lack general toughness. He said that he thinks they are capable of toughness, just that he has yet to see it.

I think I got things were going good in practice from this article. I maybe read too much good into it but I believe BG infers that things were going fairly well overall. No matter now. A loss is under the bridge and we will see how the pieces will be picked up this year.

http://www.kentucky.com/818/story/591038.html

WMR
11-17-2008, 11:27 AM
nm

WVRed
11-17-2008, 02:19 PM
Just curious, when does the "Tubby left us nothing" cupboard go empty. I'm not saying that as a criticism now, but just in general would like to know how long you can use that excuse.

I'd think with as much as freshmen and sophomores play regularly now, the well should run dry right about at the end of this year correct?

Actually, I disagree with this.

When Tubby left, he did leave some very good players behind. His freshman class before he left really turned a lot of heads and gave room for optimism. Jodie Meeks, Derrick Jasper (who I believe a lot of fans after Tuesday night miss right now more than anything), and Perry Stevenson. Injuries and defections have really clouded that viewpoint though.

I don't think the cupboard is bare, so to speak, just that the fine china wasn't stacked right and Gillispie is trying to reset it.

macro
11-17-2008, 02:48 PM
Sorry...I'm just having a hard time blowing it off as a "young team", "second-year coach" thing.

Same here. "Inexcusable" is the word I keep coming back to.

durl
11-17-2008, 03:34 PM
Same here. "Inexcusable" is the word I keep coming back to.

Actually, that's the exact same word that I keep coming back to. Honestly, I'm not the unrealistic type that believes you have to win every home opener, but I DO believe that there's no excuse for letting a weaker program come in and trounce you with 111 points.

Bottom line: this was MEANT to be a lopsided game for the Cats and they failed miserably. This wasn't some "tip-off" classic that featured two strong programs.

Hoosier Red
11-17-2008, 05:06 PM
I think my friend summed it up succinctly.

"There's no shame in giving up 111 points to VMI, it's what they do. The shame is that you didn't score 140 on their awful defense."

BRM
11-17-2008, 05:42 PM
Per ESPN:




North Carolina senior All-American Tyler Hansbrough (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/player/profile?playerId=27018) will not play against Kentucky on Tuesday night in Chapel Hill.

UNC coach Roy Williams said during a Monday news conference that there was no change in Hansbrough's condition.

Hansbrough sat out Saturday's season-opening win over Penn with a stress reaction in his shin.

The Tar Heels play Friday at UC Santa Barbara en route to the Maui Invitational next week.

Hoosier Red
11-17-2008, 05:52 PM
Per ESPN:

They apparantly cut off the quote, "I mean he would have played but we didn't really think we'd need him. I mean VMI?"

BRM
11-17-2008, 06:05 PM
They apparantly cut off the quote, "I mean he would have played but we didn't really think we'd need him. I mean VMI?"

:lol:

WVRed
11-18-2008, 10:48 PM
And UNC is putting it all over Kentucky right now 36-21.

IMO its not how good UNC is looking, but how disoriented Kentucky looks offensively. They are trying to get into a horse race with UNC. That didn't work against VMI of all teams, now they want to do it with the no 1 team in the nation.

Also doesn't help that Kentucky is getting NO PG play tonight. Porter is the worst player Tubby Smith has ever recruited outside of his own son, and Liggins got a stare from Gillispie that made Tubby's stare look weak.

Meeks has taken way too many shots. I don't know if he is trying to do too much or if Gillispie is telling him to do it, but if I were coaching, two things I would be aiming to do:

1.Feed the ball inside to Patterson and let him battle it out with Davis and Zeller.

2.Slow down the tempo of the game.

I'm holding out hope Kentucky can close the gap, but right now its not looking good.

TeamSelig
11-18-2008, 11:25 PM
This is ugly

WVRed
11-19-2008, 12:07 AM
77-58 the final.

Zeller got knocked out with an apparent hand injury.

28 turnovers tonight. I understand this is North Carolina, but they should have learned something playing against VMI.

Does anybody else think Meeks has taken a page from Ramel Bradley and Joe Crawford in trying to be the star at the expense of the team? I got that impression tonight.

dabvu2498
11-19-2008, 09:05 AM
One comment - Porter is way worse than Saul.

BRM
11-19-2008, 10:05 AM
One comment - Porter is way worse than Saul.

Dab!!! Awesome to see you back!

Go easy on Porter. I am hoping to see him get MUCH more PT this season. ;)

dabvu2498
11-19-2008, 10:16 AM
Good to be back brm. I fear you will see much more PGMP. At least your Hoosiers are 2-0.

BRM
11-19-2008, 11:07 AM
Good to be back brm. I fear you will see much more PGMP. At least your Hoosiers are 2-0.

My gut says the winning record won't last very long but I'll take it for now.

BRM
11-19-2008, 11:29 AM
I fear you will see much more PGMP.

Why would I fear seeing much more PGMP? I'm looking forward to it honestly.

dabvu2498
11-19-2008, 11:30 AM
It's a darn bit better than 0-2. What if they lose to Delaware St?

BRM
11-19-2008, 11:37 AM
It's a darn bit better than 0-2. What if they lose to Delaware St?

I don't think they will. I've been told countless times that BCG is one of the top 3 or 4 coaches in the country. His team won't go 0-3.

cumberlandreds
11-19-2008, 11:40 AM
My gut says the winning record won't last very long but I'll take it for now.

At least you have won two games. That's more than I can about my Cats. Looks to be a long season. Although what happened last night was expected. You really should have some fun this season with IU. There is absolutely no pressure to win. What wins you get you can feel good about. UK went trough this in Pitino's first season. He had 7 scholarship players and no one over 6-7. It turned out to be a fun season and surprisingly went 14-14. I think IU will surprise some teams this year and get blistered by some too. Crean will turn them around.

cumberlandreds
11-19-2008, 11:42 AM
One comment - Porter is way worse than Saul.

Porter was a turnover machine last season so I don't what transformation BG expected this year. Liggins has got to play the bulk of the minutes at pg even though he's a freshman. He and the team has to take the lumps from inexperience.

Caseyfan21
11-19-2008, 11:47 AM
I'm by no means a UK fan but I was rooting for them as an underdog last night. My 2 impressions from the game (being this the first time I've watched them since last year) were:

1) The PG play sucked big time
2) Why isn't Patterson touching the ball nearly every time down the floor?

Seems like it isn't too hard to recognize this.

BRM
11-19-2008, 11:49 AM
At least you have won two games. That's more than I can about my Cats. Looks to be a long season. Although what happened last night was expected. You really should have some fun this season with IU. There is absolutely no pressure to win. What wins you get you can feel good about. UK went trough this in Pitino's first season. He had 7 scholarship players and no one over 6-7. It turned out to be a fun season and surprisingly went 14-14. I think IU will surprise some teams this year and get blistered by some too. Crean will turn them around.

I don't want to turn this into an IU thread (we already have one) but I agree with the sentiment here. I can see IU pulling an upset or two along the way but will also get hammered their fair share of times. It will still be a very fun season, even if they end up with 20 losses.

cumberlandreds
11-19-2008, 11:54 AM
I'm by no means a UK fan but I was rooting for them as an underdog last night. My 2 impressions from the game (being this the first time I've watched them since last year) were:

1) The PG play sucked big time
2) Why isn't Patterson touching the ball nearly every time down the floor?

Seems like it isn't too hard to recognize this.

You answered your question with point number 1. Until the PG play improves Patterson will have trouble getting the ball.

dabvu2498
11-19-2008, 12:00 PM
Meeks has not had any trouble getting the ball.

WVRed
11-19-2008, 12:42 PM
You answered your question with point number 1. Until the PG play improves Patterson will have trouble getting the ball.

This is where Kentucky really misses Jasper. When he was out last year as opposed to when he returned, you could see a different team. Last year Kentucky had problems passing over the inbounds.

I believe Liggins can step in and fill that role possibly, but it is going to take some time.

As for Porter, keep in mind he is a converted two guard. Tubby recruited him as a SG who could shoot pretty well. Only problem is, he couldn't do anything else. Gillispie is running him out as a PG and we are seeing the results.

My biggest problem last night outside of the PG play (which was to be expected) that also kept the ball out of Patterson's hands was the play of Jodie Meeks. I don't know if this was Gillispie's game plan or if Meeks is plain selfish, but either way it didn't work.

If it was Gillispie, then we are going to have problems, and Patterson will likely leave at the end of the season anyways. Kentucky should have played to keep the score as low as possible and pound the ball inside to Patterson and let him take advantage of Zeller.

On a side note, for those thinking it would have been worse with Hansbrough, Kentucky held him in check all three years he has been there. It's been everybody else torching them.

joshnky
11-19-2008, 01:06 PM
What is it with BillyG and his line ups? Last year it was Mark Coury and now its Porter. I understand that players who practice and play defense will play but at some point you have to give the minutes to the players who will help you win. I thought Liggins and Galloway were supposed to solve the PG problem.

While non-conference losses aren't the end of the world, they will hurt UK when it comes time to seed the tournament.

WMR
11-19-2008, 01:32 PM
What is it with BillyG and his line ups? Last year it was Mark Coury and now its Porter. I understand that players who practice and play defense will play but at some point you have to give the minutes to the players who will help you win. I thought Liggins and Galloway were supposed to solve the PG problem.

While non-conference losses aren't the end of the world, they will hurt UK when it comes time to seed the tournament.

Yup.

Porter is garbage... at least as a point guard. He is absolutely incapable of feeding the post or dealing with pressure. Notice he ONLY dribbles with his right hand. Force him to go left and you can trap him every single time.

I dunno what Gillispie is doing, but he needs to put Liggins in and let him work through his mistakes. Also, let's at least SEE Galloway next game.

WVRed
11-19-2008, 01:46 PM
On a side note, I don't know about the other message boards, but the two UK boards I read, True Blue Kentucky and Kentucky Ink, will suspend anybody who talks negatively about any of the players.

I understand the reasoning, as recruits read the websites and the University itself gets pretty upset with the message board material, but its pretty hard to criticize players who are playing poorly.

dabvu2498
11-19-2008, 02:17 PM
Death to free speech! All hail Billy G!

WMR
11-19-2008, 02:43 PM
On a side note, I don't know about the other message boards, but the two UK boards I read, True Blue Kentucky and Kentucky Ink, will suspend anybody who talks negatively about any of the players.

I understand the reasoning, as recruits read the websites and the University itself gets pretty upset with the message board material, but its pretty hard to criticize players who are playing poorly.

Yeah... those sites are good for news, but I ofttimes find the discussions to be lacking b/c you can't really get into any serious discussions about what is going wrong.

That's more on True Blue than KY Ink, however. I'm a mod over on KY Ink and you can criticize over there... it's really bad at True Blue, however. Someone started a thread about Liggins taking over the PG duties from Porter and got banned for it. Lame.

cumberlandreds
11-19-2008, 03:12 PM
On a side note, I don't know about the other message boards, but the two UK boards I read, True Blue Kentucky and Kentucky Ink, will suspend anybody who talks negatively about any of the players.

I understand the reasoning, as recruits read the websites and the University itself gets pretty upset with the message board material, but its pretty hard to criticize players who are playing poorly.

I'm a mod on Wildcatnation.net and you can criticize a player as long as you don't insult.Such as calling them a vulgar name.

WVRed
11-20-2008, 12:35 AM
I'm a mod on Wildcatnation.net and you can criticize a player as long as you don't insult.Such as calling them a vulgar name.

Wildcat Nation is similar to Redszone from what I have seen. TBK and KI are different in that TBK has a recruiting guru heading up the site and KI is affiliated with ESPN.

The problem with a lot of the UK boards is the backstabbing I have seen from "insiders". The first board I started reading merged with UK Uncensored(Maggard's website). That went on to become Kentucky Ink, which would split again and form True Blue Kentucky.

FWIW, I am going to start blogging again. Hopefully tomorrow I can get something posted, but I want to go with a new angle.

cumberlandreds
11-20-2008, 08:53 AM
Wildcat Nation is similar to Redszone from what I have seen. TBK and KI are different in that TBK has a recruiting guru heading up the site and KI is affiliated with ESPN.

The problem with a lot of the UK boards is the backstabbing I have seen from "insiders". The first board I started reading merged with UK Uncensored(Maggard's website). That went on to become Kentucky Ink, which would split again and form True Blue Kentucky.

FWIW, I am going to start blogging again. Hopefully tomorrow I can get something posted, but I want to go with a new angle.

Yes it is very similar to Redszone. It kinda family oreinted site that doesn't put up with the garbage that places like Rivals has. That's the reason I like both of those sites the best for my favorite teams.

WVRed
11-20-2008, 09:49 AM
Yes it is very similar to Redszone. It kinda family oreinted site that doesn't put up with the garbage that places like Rivals has. That's the reason I like both of those sites the best for my favorite teams.

I meant similar in obscurity. Neither websites promote or have a John Fay to answer posters questions like what KI has with Victoria Sun.

Of course, the difference is recruits read these websites and can make a decision whether or not to come to Kentucky. There is more leeway in professional sports, but criticism is something that should be expected from both sides.

WMR
11-22-2008, 02:13 PM
Still no Galloway. :bang:

WMR
11-22-2008, 02:41 PM
GALLOWAY SIGHTING!!

:laugh:

WMR
11-22-2008, 02:43 PM
LMAO, Galloway played for about 30 seconds before doing exactly what Coach Gillispie didn't want and gets yanked. :lol:

WMR
11-22-2008, 02:44 PM
Miller hits the 3 and is fouled. He's going to be a special player at Kentucky when all is said and done.

WVRed
11-24-2008, 09:17 PM
Looks like Kentucky is going to be 2-2 after tonight.

Patterson is finally coming out.

WMR
11-24-2008, 09:21 PM
Galloway played some nice minutes. Had a beautiful alley-oop pass to Patterson who laid it up.

WMR
11-24-2008, 09:54 PM
Austin Kearns sighting...

WMR
11-29-2008, 01:55 AM
JODIE MEEKSSSSssssssssssssss

WVRed
11-29-2008, 10:59 AM
Kentucky won by 2, but still 31 turnovers. Give Porter credit, he only had four of them. Meeks had 9.

DeAndre Liggins must have taken a page from Stephon Marbury this week too. He refused to check in during the second half because he was unhappy with his playing time in the first half (two minutes).

TeamSelig
11-30-2008, 12:37 AM
whats up with the turnovers? we can't win many games with 25+ turnovers every game or so it seems

WMR
11-30-2008, 12:44 AM
Our best Point Guard is a raw freshman. That's the biggest reason, IMO. Then factor in the massive amount of new faces who are playing major minutes... Gillispie will get them squared away eventually, but it will probably be rough sailing at least till January.

durl
11-30-2008, 12:46 AM
whats up with the turnovers? we can't win many games with 25+ turnovers every game or so it seems

This concerns me, too. This can NOT continue. You can get away with it (barely) with small schools, but the SEC will rip the Cats apart if they continue this streak of 20+ turnovers per game.

WMR
11-30-2008, 12:51 AM
Also, because of our poor point guard play, we absolutely suck at feeding the post. Which means Patterson's touches are either nonexistent or in the wrong spot on the floor.

durl
11-30-2008, 12:53 AM
OK...22 points in 26 minutes??

Who took my Kentucky basketball program? Seriously...I'm not one of those fans that believes Kentucky should win every game, but this is getting ridiculous. Billy G didn't inherit a losing program, just a weaker one.

You gotta show me something soon, Billy.

WMR
11-30-2008, 01:06 AM
OK...22 points in 26 minutes??

Who took my Kentucky basketball program? Seriously...I'm not one of those fans that believes Kentucky should win every game, but this is getting ridiculous. Billy G didn't inherit a losing program, just a weaker one.

You gotta show me something soon, Billy.

:rolleyes:

WMR
11-30-2008, 01:37 AM
Well, Kentucky just beat West Virginia to win the Las Vegas Invitational. Maybe it will shut the Billy G haters up for a game or two.

Liggins may have just cemented the starting PG job for himself with his spectacular performance tonight.

Josh Harrellson gets my vote for star of the game. Dude played some great ball tonight.

AWESOME victory for the program and this young, growing team.

Boston Red
11-30-2008, 01:48 AM
Always good to see Huggins lose.

Javy Pornstache
11-30-2008, 02:32 AM
I was most pleased to see, you know, the actual five BEST players for most of the second half: Patterson, Meeks, Harrellson, Miller and Liggins. Harris and Stevenson look a hell of a lot better to me getting minutes off the bench rather than the bulk of the time in a close game such as tonight's. It may not have been pretty, but tremendous effort coming back in the second half. Gillispie impressed me with his coaching adjustments he made through this Las Vegas Invitational.

WMR
11-30-2008, 02:35 AM
I was most pleased to see, you know, the actual five BEST players for most of the second half: Patterson, Meeks, Harrellson, Miller and Liggins. Harris and Stevenson look a hell of a lot better to me getting minutes off the bench rather than the bulk of the time in a close game such as tonight's. It may not have been pretty, but tremendous effort coming back in the second half. Gillispie impressed me with his coaching adjustments he made through this Las Vegas Invitational.

No doubt, Javy.

Liggins, Meeks, Miller, Harrellson, and Patterson appears to definitely be our Best Five as things currently stand. (Perry Stevenson's play has actually been quite disappointing so far this season.)

I think Porter may get the ceremonial start for a couple more games, but I think it is abundantly clear that Liggins, in particular, gives this team its best chance to win.

WMR
11-30-2008, 09:14 PM
Wow, Little Brother got smacked down by Baby Brother today.

jmac
11-30-2008, 09:53 PM
Wow, Little Brother got smacked down by Baby Brother today.
:beerme:

dabvu2498
11-30-2008, 09:56 PM
Wow, Little Brother got smacked down by Baby Brother today. Fear the toppers!

WMR
11-30-2008, 09:58 PM
Fear the toppers!

They got this kid Petigrew who evidently grew up a huge UL fan. Guess he showed Slick Rick a thing or two today.

durl
12-01-2008, 11:32 AM
Thanks, Billy. I was hoping to see some improvement and seeing it in the last 10 minutes of the WV game was refreshing.

For the record, I am not a Billy hater. I know I've not been accused of being one directly but it never hurts to set the record straight. He's proven elsewhere that he's a winner.

My concern has been that, for two years, Kentucky has been beaten at home by far weaker programs. Teams that were considered appetizers for SEC play have come into Rupp and made a major program look like a junior college team. Last year could be considered a fluke. VMI this year eliminates the "fluke" theory.

And I know it's early in the season, but a Kentucky program should not average 23 turnovers a game (with 31 against Kansas State??) against weaker basketball programs. I understand this is Billy's 2nd season but a program at the level of Kentucky should be more fundamentally sound. Kentucky ranks LAST in the NCAA in Turnovers/Game. And this is playing Delaware State and Longview. Sorry...that doesn't cut it. Even with a second-year coach, even with freshmen playing more, this is simply not acceptable at this level.

As I said in an earlier post, Billy G didn't inherit a probation-laden program. He has a program at full-strength, albeit with some sub-par talent on the bench from the previous staff. My contention is that Kentucky, even with a 2nd year coach, even with a couple of players that are lacking in talent, should being playing far above their current level. I know they have the talent, they just need to show it.

joshnky
12-01-2008, 12:25 PM
Wow, Little Brother got smacked down by Baby Brother today.

In Pitino's tenure at UofL, the Cards have only made it out of November unscathed one time. I guess he tried to avoid it this year by only scheduling three games but Western came to play.

UofL was awful in every way possible yesterday. Western collapsed the whole team on Samuels and watched the Cards miss 80% of their three pointers.

If this team plays like this the rest of the year they'll be lucky to win half their games but thats not a real concern. Sometimes you play a game away from home where everything goes wrong and you lose to an inferior opponent. They'll learn from it and bounce back fine.

WMR
12-01-2008, 12:27 PM
In Pitino's tenure at UofL, the Cards have only made it out of November unscathed one time. I guess he tried to avoid it this year by only scheduling three games but Western came to play.

UofL was awful in every way possible yesterday. Western collapsed the whole team on Samuels and watched the Cards miss 80% of their three pointers.

If this team plays like this the rest of the year they'll be lucky to win half their games but thats not a real concern. Sometimes you play a game away from home where everything goes wrong and you lose to an inferior opponent. They'll learn from it and bounce back fine.

Yeah, Louisville will be fine.

That's got to be one of the biggest wins in the history of Western Kentucky basketball.

Boston Red
12-01-2008, 12:29 PM
That's got to be one of the biggest wins in the history of Western Kentucky basketball.

It's on the list, but Western has far too good a history to put ANY win in November near the top of that list.

joshnky
12-01-2008, 12:31 PM
Yeah, Louisville will be fine.

That's got to be one of the biggest wins in the history of Western Kentucky basketball.

They apparently don't do well with the pressure of an undefeated season so they get that out of the way early every year.

WMR
12-01-2008, 12:34 PM
They apparently don't do well with the pressure of an undefeated season so they get that out of the way early every year.

Might be time for an Earl Clarke avatar, dude. :D

dabvu2498
12-01-2008, 01:02 PM
Yeah, Louisville will be fine. That's got to be one of the biggest wins in the history of Western Kentucky basketball. Beating Kentucky at Rupp a few years ago ranks ahead. And theyve had quite a few tourney wins that are also quite a bit bigger.

cumberlandreds
12-01-2008, 02:08 PM
Beating Kentucky at Rupp a few years ago ranks ahead. And theyve had quite a few tourney wins that are also quite a bit bigger.

Beating UK in the 1971 NCAA tournament is the biggest win I would think. Although that one got vacated because their best player had signed with an agent.

cumberlandreds
12-01-2008, 02:14 PM
Thanks, Billy. I was hoping to see some improvement and seeing it in the last 10 minutes of the WV game was refreshing.

For the record, I am not a Billy hater. I know I've not been accused of being one directly but it never hurts to set the record straight. He's proven elsewhere that he's a winner.

My concern has been that, for two years, Kentucky has been beaten at home by far weaker programs. Teams that were considered appetizers for SEC play have come into Rupp and made a major program look like a junior college team. Last year could be considered a fluke. VMI this year eliminates the "fluke" theory.

And I know it's early in the season, but a Kentucky program should not average 23 turnovers a game (with 31 against Kansas State??) against weaker basketball programs. I understand this is Billy's 2nd season but a program at the level of Kentucky should be more fundamentally sound. Kentucky ranks LAST in the NCAA in Turnovers/Game. And this is playing Delaware State and Longview. Sorry...that doesn't cut it. Even with a second-year coach, even with freshmen playing more, this is simply not acceptable at this level.

As I said in an earlier post, Billy G didn't inherit a probation-laden program. He has a program at full-strength, albeit with some sub-par talent on the bench from the previous staff. My contention is that Kentucky, even with a 2nd year coach, even with a couple of players that are lacking in talent, should being playing far above their current level. I know they have the talent, they just need to show it.

One thing you have to remember and I lose sight of too, is that this is a very young team. No seniors,Meeks is junior but really a sophomore playing wise,neither pg has any experience at that position (Porter and Liggins). It's going to take time and more talent too. No, we shouldn't have lost to VMI but hopefully that will be corrected with more talent and experience. And that will not happen overnight.

BRM
12-01-2008, 04:11 PM
Beating Kentucky at Rupp a few years ago ranks ahead. And theyve had quite a few tourney wins that are also quite a bit bigger.

That was a Tubby Smith team so it doesn't count as a big win for the Toppers. Everyone beat Tubby, remember.

WVRed
12-02-2008, 11:23 PM
FWIW, I have restarted my blog for Kentucky basketball if anyone is interested. It is located on my signature.

I posted my thoughts on the Liggins situation there.

Blimpie
12-03-2008, 01:36 PM
FWIW, I have restarted my blog for Kentucky basketball if anyone is interested. It is located on my signature.

I posted my thoughts on the Liggins situation there.I just bookmarked your site...pretty good stuff you have going there.

Nice job.

WVRed
12-03-2008, 10:34 PM
The good: Kentucky blew out Lamar tonight 103-61. Patterson finished with 31 points.

The bad: Michael Porter and Ramon Harris were both injured in a collision. Harris was taken to the medical clinic, while Porter was stitched up and came back to the bench.

WMR
12-03-2008, 10:36 PM
The good: Kentucky blew out Lamar tonight 103-61. Patterson finished with 31 points.

The bad: Michael Porter and Ramon Harris were both injured in a collision. Harris was taken to the medical clinic, while Porter was stitched up and came back to the bench.

I think those injuries could end up being blessings in disguise (obviously I hope neither young man is seriously injured).

We got to see plenty of players who I think will, throughout this season, prove themselves to be much better than Harris and Porter.

WVRed
12-03-2008, 11:33 PM
I think those injuries could end up being blessings in disguise (obviously I hope neither young man is seriously injured).

We got to see plenty of players who I think will, throughout this season, prove themselves to be much better than Harris and Porter.

Liggins and Miller.

Hint. Hint. Hint.

cumberlandreds
12-04-2008, 08:51 AM
Easily the best performance of the season. They played well in nearly every facet of the game. Only had 16 turnovers and lot of those were in garbage time after the game was well in hand. A backcourt of Liggins and Miller could be a great one in time. I like the play a lot of both of those guys. I doubt either Porter or Harris will play this weekend. Not having Harris against Miami could be a big loss. I would think he would get the bulk of the time guarding McClinton.

cumberlandreds
12-04-2008, 08:52 AM
FWIW, I have restarted my blog for Kentucky basketball if anyone is interested. It is located on my signature.

I posted my thoughts on the Liggins situation there.

Your blog is a good read. I'll have to bookmark it too.

cumberlandreds
12-04-2008, 09:10 AM
The good: Kentucky blew out Lamar tonight 103-61. Patterson finished with 31 points.

The bad: Michael Porter and Ramon Harris were both injured in a collision. Harris was taken to the medical clinic, while Porter was stitched up and came back to the bench.

That is about the quietest 31 points I have ever seen from a UK player. I didn't realize he had that many until you pointed it out. He did just have three rebounds but that's just picking nits.

durl
12-04-2008, 10:15 AM
Excellent performance. Now we're seeing good execution. They controlled the ball well and hit open shots. Let's hope they had so much fun that they carry it through for the entire season.

WVRed
12-04-2008, 01:32 PM
Excellent performance. Now we're seeing good execution. They controlled the ball well and hit open shots. Let's hope they had so much fun that they carry it through for the entire season.

My hope is that Kentucky can roll through December. Outside of the Miami game, this might be the easiest schedule Kentucky has ever had through a single month. Mississippi Valley, Indiana, Appalachia State, Tennessee St, Florida Atlantic, and Central Michigan should all be wins.

If, and that is a BIG IF, Kentucky can sweep December play, they will be riding a 12 game winning streak into Freedom Hall.

WMR
12-04-2008, 02:23 PM
nm

WMR
12-04-2008, 02:27 PM
Excellent performance. Now we're seeing good execution. They controlled the ball well and hit open shots. Let's hope they had so much fun that they carry it through for the entire season.

http://new.music.yahoo.com/videos/GeorgeMichael/Faith--2144803

WMR
12-04-2008, 02:28 PM
Easily the best performance of the season. They played well in nearly every facet of the game. Only had 16 turnovers and lot of those were in garbage time after the game was well in hand. A backcourt of Liggins and Miller could be a great one in time. I like the play a lot of both of those guys. I doubt either Porter or Harris will play this weekend. Not having Harris against Miami could be a big loss. I would think he would get the bulk of the time guarding McClinton.

GALLOWAY.

Don't forget Galloway.

He had some simply beautiful passes last night.

He will make some solid contributions before this season is finished. Kid can play.

cumberlandreds
12-04-2008, 03:00 PM
GALLOWAY.

Don't forget Galloway.

He had some simply beautiful passes last night.

He will make some solid contributions before this season is finished. Kid can play.

He did well too. Most everyone that played did fine. We will see on Saturday really how much they have improved. Miami will be a good test. Also McClinton will play for Miami. No further action deemed necessary by the ACC.

http://miamiherald.typepad.com/umiami/

WMR
12-04-2008, 03:11 PM
He did well too. Most everyone that played did fine. We will see on Saturday really how much they have improved. Miami will be a good test. Also McClinton will play for Miami. No further action deemed necessary by the ACC.

http://miamiherald.typepad.com/umiami/

Jodie Meeks versus McClinton should be a great match-up.

Jodie Meeks has quietly become this team's best on-ball defender, IMO.

His on-ball defense is spectacular.

WMR
12-04-2008, 03:14 PM
Gillispie is beginning to remake this team in the image that he prefers: Long, lean combo guards. Having the ability to put "BIG" guys who CAN PLAY on the court in positions 1-5 is such a nice advantage to have.

We'll have the smaller PGs such as GJ Vilarino to fill that role, but I love how Gillispie loves him some big guards.

jmac
12-04-2008, 09:30 PM
Gillispie is beginning to remake this team in the image that he prefers: Long, lean combo guards. Having the ability to put "BIG" guys who CAN PLAY on the court in positions 1-5 is such a nice advantage to have.

We'll have the smaller PGs such as GJ Vilarino to fill that role, but I love how Gillispie loves him some big guards.

Someone commented on another board last night how Galloway/Liggins reminded them of the way Louisville used Gordon/Wagner. They werent as big as these two it doesnt seem like, but at that time in college basketball..they were big guards.

WVRed
12-06-2008, 09:49 PM
Tough loss tonight. Kentucky was down by as many as 20 but nearly pulled off the comeback. 73-67 the final. Should be interesting to see how they rebound tomorrow against Mississippi Valley State.

I'm really starting to have a Jekyll/Hyde impression with Gillispie. I love his pressure defense that turns it up at the right time and keys the runs to get Kentucky close. On the other hand, it seems that either Gillispie 1.pulls players and leaves them on the bench to teach them a point, or 2.forgets about them. DeAndre Liggins against K-State for example. Tonight, it was Josh Harrellson.

Harrellson should have played more tonight. While Stevenson is a better defender, Miami's defense was glued in on Patterson all night. Kick it inside to Patterson, let the Miami defense swarm, and then kick it back to Harrellson on the post and let him drill it from 16-17 yards out. Makes no sense why Gillispie didn't play him as much.

cumberlandreds
12-07-2008, 04:17 PM
Tough loss tonight. Kentucky was down by as many as 20 but nearly pulled off the comeback. 73-67 the final. Should be interesting to see how they rebound tomorrow against Mississippi Valley State.

I'm really starting to have a Jekyll/Hyde impression with Gillispie. I love his pressure defense that turns it up at the right time and keys the runs to get Kentucky close. On the other hand, it seems that either Gillispie 1.pulls players and leaves them on the bench to teach them a point, or 2.forgets about them. DeAndre Liggins against K-State for example. Tonight, it was Josh Harrellson.

Harrellson should have played more tonight. While Stevenson is a better defender, Miami's defense was glued in on Patterson all night. Kick it inside to Patterson, let the Miami defense swarm, and then kick it back to Harrellson on the post and let him drill it from 16-17 yards out. Makes no sense why Gillispie didn't play him as much.

I agree with you about Harrelson. He should have played more. He can take off a lot pressure on Patterson.UK lost this game in the last 4 minutes of the 1st half. At the under 4 minute TO Miami lead by 11. They ballooned that lead to 20 by the half by hitting two three's in the last 30 seconds. No excuse for that. Just a very poor defensive effort. This team can't have strtches like that and expect beat a good team.

WVRed
12-07-2008, 06:15 PM
42-36 Kentucky right now against 0-9 Mississippi Valley State. This is not looking good.

Landon Slone has hit two three's for Kentucky though. Gillispie must be giving him a look. No Harrellson as of yet either.

WMR
12-07-2008, 06:22 PM
Harrellson logging significant minutes in the 2nd half.

Kentucky's players beginning to assert themselves.

Liggins is going to be a GOOD one.

WVRed
12-07-2008, 11:55 PM
http://vmedia.rivals.com/uploads/888/731312.jpg

Ok, who doesn't dig the new uniforms?

cumberlandreds
12-08-2008, 09:20 AM
http://vmedia.rivals.com/uploads/888/731312.jpg

Ok, who doesn't dig the new uniforms?

I guess I am in a minority but I didn't really care for them. Royal blue and white are their colors. Not Black,blue and white. I understand this is a one time thing in honor of Mr. Keightley and that's fine. I hope they don't adopt these new colors for the future though.

Redhook
12-08-2008, 09:37 AM
I guess I am in a minority but I didn't really care for them. Royal blue and white are their colors. Not Black,blue and white. I understand this is a one time thing in honor of Mr. Keightley and that's fine. I hope they don't adopt these new colors for the future though.

I agree. I think they're hideous. Black is not one of the school's colors.

WVRed
12-08-2008, 02:07 PM
I guess I am in a minority but I didn't really care for them. Royal blue and white are their colors. Not Black,blue and white. I understand this is a one time thing in honor of Mr. Keightley and that's fine. I hope they don't adopt these new colors for the future though.

Its not something I would want to see every single game. Just something similar to the Reds Sunday jerseys.

FWIW, I wonder if Kentucky could do a Bill Keightley Memorial game or even a tournament every season. Something similar to what they did about five years ago with four teams semi-locally(WKU, Marshall, etc).

Blimpie
12-08-2008, 10:52 PM
Put me squarely in the court of despising the black UK threads...It's all about having a few more Patterson jerseys under the Christmas tree later this month.

I was fine when Duke began catering to the gangstas with their black uniforms a few years back. It just validated to me that you cannot subject tradition to the "focus group" mentality.

UK is blue and white. Period. Even the freaking football team has kept from messing that one up.

WMR
12-09-2008, 03:31 PM
I joined the premium board over at True Blue Kentucky...

let me just type, I have an ENTIRELY new perspective on the Liggins situation. He is not starting for a very good reason.

HBP
12-09-2008, 04:30 PM
I joined the premium board over at True Blue Kentucky...

let me just type, I have an ENTIRELY new perspective on the Liggins situation. He is not starting for a very good reason.

Alex Legion-itis?

WMR
12-09-2008, 04:33 PM
Alex Legion-itis?

Well, his mom isn't involved. ;)

What's the saying about the most difficult horses to break end up being your most valued steeds? Something along those lines.

TeamSelig
12-09-2008, 06:28 PM
I joined the premium board over at True Blue Kentucky...

let me just type, I have an ENTIRELY new perspective on the Liggins situation. He is not starting for a very good reason.

Want to share that with us?

:D

WMR
12-09-2008, 06:38 PM
TS: Check your PMs.

TeamSelig
12-10-2008, 02:42 AM
Thanks. I agree. He needs to grow up.

BRM
12-12-2008, 01:37 PM
Inside The Hall interviewed John Clay of the Lexington Herald Leader for their preview of the upcoming IU/UK game. I thought the Cats fans here might find it interesting.



John Clay is a columnist for the Lexington Herald Leader and is the author of Sidelines (http://johnclay.bloginky.com/). He covered Kentucky football for 13 seasons before being promoted to columnist in 2000. We recently caught up with him for a Kentucky edition of Know Thy Opponent.

Inside the Hall: Itís year two of the Billy Gillispie era in Lexington. What has Gillispie done well since arriving at UK and what can he improve upon moving forward?

John Clay: Since arriving here, Gillispie has given the impression that heís going for it. Heís not holding back. Heís recruiting eighth graders. Heís hiring assistants (Tracy Webster) who will bring him recruits (Darius Miller). Heís taking advantage of an NCAA loophole to move Midnight Madness to a week before official practice begins. Heís paying Daniel Ortonís father, within the rules, in hopes of getting that recruit (he did). The one thing that has undercut the confidence fans have in him is the unexpected losses Ė to Gardner-Webb last year, to VMI this year. Kentucky is not supposed to lose to those teams.

ITH: One of the problems so far for Kentucky this season seems to be an inability to get the ball inside to Patrick Patterson. Is this problem a result of teams focusing on stopping Patterson or Kentuckyís lack of leadership in the backcourt?

JC: Iíd say more lack of leadership, and ball-handling skills, more than anything else. This team has a definite point guard problem. Starter Michael Porter canít avoid turning the ball over. Asking him to run the offense is a stretch of his skills. DeAndre Liggins, while hardly smooth, has played better, but with his trademark stubbornness, Gillispie has yet to put the freshman in the starting lineup. Even beyond point guard, this is not a team of handlers. The smalls turn it over. The bigs turn it over.

ITH: Another big storyline early in the season is the DeAndre Liggins saga out in Las Vegas. Was this an isolated incident or do questions still linger about the relationship between the freshman guard and Gillispie?

JC: So far, anyway, Gillispie seems to be one of those Iím-going-to-do-it-my-way coaches. When Liggins refused to enter the second half of the Kansas State game in Vegas, most felt the freshman would (a) leave, (b) be booted from the team, or (c) be glued to the bench. Instead, he played 27 minutes the next night against West Virginia. Liggins has played well enough since then to deserve a promotion to the starting lineup, but that hasnít come. Perhaps itís a punishment for the Las Vegas incident. I donít think thereís any real friction between Liggins and Gillispie. I donít expect him to leave.

ITH: Besides Patterson or Jodie Meeks, who is the player most important to the success of UK and why?

JC: Thatís a tough one. Obviously, the point guard role needs to be resolved and the turnover problem fixed. But freshman Darius Miller needs to step up and provide a third scoring option behind Meeks and Patterson. Miller has excellent ability. Heís shown poise, is a good passer, and can take the ball to the basket. But heís been way too timid for Gillispieís taste thus far. In the last game, against Mississippi Valley, Gillispie called for Miller to go into the game, but when the freshman passed the head coach on his way to the scorerís table, Billy G. called him back and sent him to the end of the bench. Itís a Billy G. trick from last year. If the player doesnít show the proper enthusiasm for going in the game, he doesnít go in the game.

ITH: With both programs being somewhat down recently, has the UK-IU rivalry lost any of its luster? Or is it still a game that the fans in Lexington circle on their calender each year?

JC: I donít think the fans circle it like they once did. It would help if both program were at a high level at the same time. That hasnít been the case in recent years. Plus, when UK dominated the SEC, games against Louisville and Indiana gained importance. But with Florida winning titles, and Tennessee on the rise, the Cats have their hands full inside the league.

ITH: Finish this sentence: By seasonís end, Kentucky will be a team thatÖ

JC: . . . plays hard, plays good defense, and plays just well enough to lose to the better teams on its schedule.

WMR
12-12-2008, 02:29 PM
At least they didn't interview that tool Tipton.

cumberlandreds
12-12-2008, 02:55 PM
Clay was pretty accurate in his assessment. They have a lot flaws that probably can't be fixed short of another good recruiting class or two. The IU rivalry,IMO,lost a lot of luster when The General left. It was always a lot more fun beating him.:) FWIW,Knight had a losing record against UK,14-17.
If UK doesn't take IU seriously and they turn the ball over a lot they will have a tough time winning. IU plays extremely hard for Crean and that makes up a lot for being under talented and sized.

BRM
12-12-2008, 03:37 PM
Tomorrow's game has the potential to be a pretty sloppy one. Both teams are turnover prone.

Like most games the Hoosiers will play this year, I just hope they can keep it close.

WMR
12-13-2008, 05:52 PM
Darius Miller played himself a hell of a first half.

jmac
12-13-2008, 10:33 PM
I am amazed at how much trouble this team has throwing a inside pass to PP.
Then when Harrellson comes in they suddenly get the ball inside.
Oh wait...then I realize it is PP who throws the pass then. In other words he seems to be the best passer to the low post we have which doesnt help him very much.
Hopefully they will continue to improve because their lack of a 40 minute game is concerning.

WVRed
12-13-2008, 11:40 PM
I am amazed at how much trouble this team has throwing a inside pass to PP.
Then when Harrellson comes in they suddenly get the ball inside.
Oh wait...then I realize it is PP who throws the pass then. In other words he seems to be the best passer to the low post we have which doesnt help him very much.
Hopefully they will continue to improve because their lack of a 40 minute game is concerning.

It should tell something that Patterson is second on the team in assists right now.

Tonights game though was the opposite of what has happened all season. Kentucky actually got off to a hot start and then cooled off. Problem is, Indiana didn't have the firepower to actually get back into the game.

I feel for Tom Crean. I've always liked him as a person, similar to Tubby Smith. Hopefully once he gets his players in Bloomington, Indiana can get back on track.

One of the announcers on CBS made the comment that once Liggins entered the game, that was when Kentucky started to regress offensively. Did anybody else notice that?

Hoosier Red
12-14-2008, 12:12 AM
I thought it was a 23 point lead that led to UK's "lack of energy."

How'd you like to be a gambler on that game, UK has a 23 point lead at half and you only end up pushing on the 18 point spread.

improbus
12-14-2008, 08:01 AM
One of the announcers on CBS made the comment that once Liggins entered the game, that was when Kentucky started to regress offensively. Did anybody else notice that?

Yeah, it was Greg Anthony who acquitted himself well. Hopefully we will get to see some more of him.

BTW Cats fans, how sweet was it to see Tennessee lose to Temple? I love to see them lose and throw down their headbands in disgust. I really, really, really, really dislike UT.

WMR
12-14-2008, 08:47 AM
Liggins has got to start pulling in the same direction as the rest of the team. He's the main one holding this team back right now from accomplishing what Coach Gillispie wants.

His effort at times yesterday was pathetic.

WMR
12-14-2008, 09:08 AM
The Cats and Hoosiers have now met 52 times since 1924. The Cats are 29-23 versus IU.

WVRed
12-14-2008, 09:38 AM
I have started a social group for UK fans.:)

cumberlandreds
12-15-2008, 08:58 AM
Tomorrow's game has the potential to be a pretty sloppy one. Both teams are turnover prone.

Like most games the Hoosiers will play this year, I just hope they can keep it close.


You got that one right on the nose. 23 turnovers for UK and 20 for IU.
But I would rather a sloppy win anyday than a pretty loss. If UK can ever get their turnover problem straightened out they could be really good. But I think that may be dependent on Liggins growing up and maturing. He played a terrible game Saturday and probably should have sat the bench more than he did. UK is on par on where I thought they would be at this point. Winning the next four games is imperative going into the UL game. Lose any of these next four and it will an uphill climb into the NCAA's.

durl
12-15-2008, 11:13 AM
Liggins indeed looked terrible. Bad passes, bad decisions. I think he took two shots (bad ones at that) before he made a pass. Interesting for a guy running point.

Kentucky won, but Indiana outplayed them for more than a half. I'll take the win but the Cats played terrible most of the game against a very weak team.

WMR
12-18-2008, 08:52 PM
Future Wildcats all over the Memorial Coliseum floor tonight as Scott County squares off versus Clark County.

GO CARDS (01 alum)

Javy Pornstache
12-19-2008, 09:32 AM
Looks like Euton got the better of Zollo in that one, WMR :)

WMR
12-19-2008, 09:54 AM
Looks like Euton got the better of Zollo in that one, WMR :)

Yup. :D I'm a Scott County, alum, btw. Was re-reading my post and realized that saying "GO CARDS" doesn't really tell you who I was rooting for. :laugh:

Although in a way it does since I wanted to see all the UK commits do well. :p:

WMR
12-19-2008, 11:09 AM
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http://www.kentucky.com/232/story/631801.html


Euton had 18 points and 7 rebounds

Zollo had 12 points and 11 rebounds

jmac
12-19-2008, 11:27 PM
http://media.kentucky.com/smedia/2008/12/18/22/721-081218HSBKBpa0240.embedded.prod_affiliate.79.jpg


http://www.kentucky.com/232/story/631801.html


Euton had 18 points and 7 rebounds

Zollo had 12 points and 11 rebounds

Wow...Euton sorta resembles John Kruk. :D

jmac
12-20-2008, 02:58 PM
J-O-D-I-E........J-O-D-I-E !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :D

WVRed
12-20-2008, 10:54 PM
J-O-D-I-E........J-O-D-I-E !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :D

46 points, 9/12 from 3, 9/10 from the charity stripe. 93-69 the final.

When Jodie Meeks is hot, he is an All American bar none. His only problem is inconsistency and relinquishing when he isn't hot. But nevertheless, this was a great night.

Also, only 14 turnovers, which is a remarkable improvement.

I have a suggestion on how to correct DeAndre Liggins. The next game, put him in and let him get the majority of the minutes. Let him run the show how he sees fit and let the experience bring him down to earth. Kentucky may win given the quality of the competition, but hopefully it will be enough for him to buy in. The last two performances haven't really been spectacular.

WVRed
12-20-2008, 11:13 PM
In other news, Little Brother U got beat by the Tubster in Minnesota, 70-64. The Gophers are unbeaten so far.

I am glad to see that Tubby is having success in Minnesota. I always said his style of play would fit well with the Big Ten and with no pressure to win a national championship every year and the ability to recruit "his" players instead of All Americans, he will be successful.

jesusfan
12-21-2008, 01:23 PM
WOW Jodie you da man! Bring on the Filthy Cards!

joshnky
12-21-2008, 03:10 PM
Posts like these really fuel my hatred for the Cats. Louisville has lots of problems but there is no way they lose to Kentucky in Freedom Hall. It might be a different story if the game was in Lexington. It might be close but the turnover prone Cats will struggle a lot more against Louisville's pressure than they did against AppSt.

jmac
12-21-2008, 03:44 PM
Posts like these really fuel my hatred for the Cats. Louisville has lots of problems but there is no way they lose to Kentucky in Freedom Hall. It might be a different story if the game was in Lexington. It might be close but the turnover prone Cats will struggle a lot more against Louisville's pressure than they did against AppSt.

This is a UK thread so obviously we are pro-KY. While I am sure U of L will bring their A on that day, I would still never go as far as to say "no way they lose" regardless of the team I am rooting for or where they are playing.
As you stated, the TO's will be a key definitely, and if KY can keep them low, they just may give your guys a game.

dabvu2498
12-21-2008, 05:49 PM
When Jodie Meeks is hot, he is an All American bar none. Can't be. Tubby recruited him.

WMR
12-21-2008, 08:21 PM
In other news, Little Brother U got beat by the Tubster in Minnesota, 70-64. The Gophers are unbeaten so far.

I am glad to see that Tubby is having success in Minnesota. I always said his style of play would fit well with the Big Ten and with no pressure to win a national championship every year and the ability to recruit "his" players instead of All Americans, he will be successful.

Sorry dude, but Tubby recruiting "his" players equals LAZINESS in my opinion.

If you were a good/great basketball player and were interested in Kentucky, Tubby would recruit you, but he was absolutely averse to beating the bushes a la Coach Gillispie which is absolutely necessary to succeed in the cutthroat world of elite high major college athletics.

Also, "Twenty win Tubby" is following the same path that ultimately led to his downfall at Kentucky. At Minnesota, however, they'll build a statue of him for his "excellence." He'll schedule enough cream puffs every season to ensure his teams get to twenty wins as if twenty wins against crappy competition actually means something. Tubby started off strong early at Kentucky but more often than not took the path of least resistance his final 5 or so seasons here.

All that being typed, however, I found it highly amusing to watch the Tubster hand Pitino and Louisville a loss.

WVRed
12-21-2008, 11:01 PM
Also, "Twenty win Tubby" is following the same path that ultimately led to his downfall at Kentucky. At Minnesota, however, they'll build a statue of him for his "excellence." He'll schedule enough cream puffs every season to ensure his teams get to twenty wins as if twenty wins against crappy competition actually means something. Tubby started off strong early at Kentucky but more often than not took the path of least resistance his final 5 or so seasons here.

All that being typed, however, I found it highly amusing to watch the Tubster hand Pitino and Louisville a loss.

Tubby never scheduled creampuffs while he was here. If anything, Kentucky had one of the toughest schedules in the country. We played home and home series against Michigan St during their peak, and I even credit Tubby for getting the series with UNC started.

My point is this, Tubby isn't going to have the expectations in Minneapolis that he had in Lexington. He has more freedom to recruit players that will buy into his style of play and won't likely bolt after one year. His style also plays well with the Big Ten, so it's a wash.

WMR
12-22-2008, 04:56 AM
Let me clarify: Kentucky would get to twenty wins but how many of those twenty wins were actually quality victories, esp. in the final seasons? We'd lose to just about every "marquee" team that we played and to then hear the Tubby defenders talk about TWENTY WINS at the end of the season made me nauseous. Especially after we went home on the first weekend of the tournament.

dabvu2498
12-22-2008, 07:58 AM
Wmr - You keep talking about Tubby's "bad" last few seasons. Really it was 2. In 05 they were 28-6 and lost in ot in the elite 8. In 04 they were 27-5 and won the sec tourney. In 04 they were 32-4 went undefeated in the sec and the sec tourney and lost in the elite 8.

WMR
12-22-2008, 09:42 AM
Wmr - You keep talking about Tubby's "bad" last few seasons. Really it was 2. In 05 they were 28-6 and lost in ot in the elite 8. In 04 they were 27-5 and won the sec tourney. In 04 they were 32-4 went undefeated in the sec and the sec tourney and lost in the elite 8.

Yeah you're right. It just felt a lot longer I guess. ;)

I should have differentiated between Kentucky's on-court record and Tubby's recruiting efforts his final 5 seasons or so with Kentucky.

Redhook
12-22-2008, 10:27 AM
My point is this, Tubby isn't going to have the expectations in Minneapolis that he had in Lexington. He has more freedom to recruit players that will buy into his style of play and won't likely bolt after one year. His style also plays well with the Big Ten, so it's a wash.

I agree. Tubby is a perfect Big 10 coach. Low expectations. Good, but not great, players playing boring basketball.

Redhook
12-22-2008, 10:37 AM
Wmr - You keep talking about Tubby's "bad" last few seasons. Really it was 2. In 05 they were 28-6 and lost in ot in the elite 8. In 04 they were 27-5 and won the sec tourney. In 04 they were 32-4 went undefeated in the sec and the sec tourney and lost in the elite 8.

They did have a couple of good years, but those teams still weren't championship-caliber in my opinion. They could beat the other SEC teams, but struggled to beat the more-talented teams across the nation.

Tubby did an amazing job of turning one of the best programs in all of sports into something just above average. It's truly incredible how good the program was when he arrived to how bad it was when he left. What an epic display of crap.

Tubby is a great person and a pretty good coach, but he has to be one of the worst recruiters ever. At Kentucky, All-Americans fall into your lap and he managed to bring in poor players over and over again. I'm still baffled how he was able to avoid All-Americans so easily.

I'm optimistic that Kentucky will be back to one of the top teams in the country in the near future, but the task at hand is difficult due to the destruction that Tubby did to the program.

WMR
12-22-2008, 12:35 PM
Redhook comes out swinging! :laugh:

Nice posts, RH.

dabvu2498
12-22-2008, 01:20 PM
"One of the worst recruiters ever" brought in the number 23 recruiting class in the country this year. Meanwhile the Messiah's class was ranked 21st.