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redhawk61
11-14-2008, 10:11 AM
Since it appears we will be bargin shoppers in FA market this year, whom do you think Walt will target:

Catchers
Brad Ausmus (40)
Paul Bako (37)
Josh Bard (31)
Michael Barrett (32)
Gary Bennett (37)
Henry Blanco (37)
Johnny Estrada (33)
Sal Fasano (37)
Toby Hall (33)
Paul Lo Duca (37) - Type B
Adam Melhuse (37)
Chad Moeller (34)
Ivan Rodriguez (37) - Type B
David Ross (32)
Javier Valentin (33)
Jason Varitek (37) - Type A
Vance Wilson (36)
Gregg Zaun (38) - Type B

First basemen
Rich Aurilia (37)
Miguel Cairo (35)
Sean Casey (34)
Tony Clark (37)
Nomar Garciaparra (35)
Jason Giambi (38)
Eric Hinske (31)
Doug Mientkiewicz (35)
Kevin Millar (37)
Richie Sexson (34)
Mark Sweeney (39)
Mark Teixeira (29) - Type A
Daryle Ward (34)

Second basemen
Willie Bloomquist (31)
Craig Counsell (38)
Ray Durham (37)
Damion Easley (39)
David Eckstein (34)
Mark Grudzielanek (39) - Type B
Jerry Hairston Jr. (33)
Orlando Hudson (31) - Type A
Tadahito Iguchi (34)
Jeff Kent (41) - Type B
Felipe Lopez (29)
Mark Loretta (37) - Type B
Ramon Martinez (36)
Pablo Ozuna (34)
Nick Punto (31)
Luis Rivas (29)

Shortstops
Willie Bloomquist (31)
Orlando Cabrera (34) - Type A
Alex Cintron (30)
Alex Cora (33)
Craig Counsell (38)
David Eckstein (34)
Adam Everett (32)
Rafael Furcal (31)
Nomar Garciaparra (35)
Chris Gomez (38)
Jerry Hairston Jr. (33)
Cesar Izturis (29)
Felipe Lopez (29)
Tomohiro Nioka (33)
Nick Punto (31)
Edgar Renteria (33) - Type A
Luis Rivas (29)
Juan Uribe (30) - Type B
Ramon Vazquez (32)
Omar Vizquel (42) - $5.2MM club option for '09 with a $0.3MM buyout

Third basemen
Rich Aurilia (37)
Casey Blake (35) - Type B
Willie Bloomquist (31)
Aaron Boone (36)
Russell Branyan (33)
Craig Counsell (38)
Joe Crede (31)
Nomar Garciaparra (35)
Mike Lamb (33)
Mark Loretta (37) - Type B
Ramon Martinez (36)
Pablo Ozuna (34)
Juan Uribe (30) - Type B
Ramon Vazquez (32)

Left fielders
Moises Alou (42) - Type B
Garret Anderson (37) - Type B
Milton Bradley (31) - Type B
Emil Brown (34)
Pat Burrell (32) - Type A
Adam Dunn (29) - Type A
Cliff Floyd (36)
Luis Gonzalez (41) - Type B
Jerry Hairston Jr. (33)
Raul Ibanez (37) - Type A
Gabe Kapler (33)
Kevin Mench (31)
Jason Michaels (33)
Craig Monroe (32)
Greg Norton (36)
Jay Payton (36)
Manny Ramirez (37) - Type A
Juan Rivera (30)
So Taguchi (39)

Center fielders
Rocco Baldelli (27)
Willie Bloomquist (31)
Jim Edmonds (39)
Jerry Hairston Jr. (33)
Gabe Kapler (33)
Mark Kotsay (33)
Corey Patterson (29)
Scott Podsednik (33)
So Taguchi (39)

Right fielders
Bobby Abreu (35) - Type A
Casey Blake (35) - Type B
Emil Brown (34)
Cliff Floyd (36)
Ken Griffey Jr. (39) - Type B
Gabe Kapler (33)
Jason Michaels (33)
Trot Nixon (35)
Brad Wilkerson (32)

DHs
Milton Bradley (31) - Type B
Cliff Floyd (36)
Jason Giambi (38)
Mike Sweeney (35)
Frank Thomas (41) - Type B
Jose Vidro (34)

Starting pitchers
Kris Benson (33)
A.J. Burnett (32) - Type A
Paul Byrd (38) - Type B
Roger Clemens (46)
Matt Clement (33)
Bartolo Colon (36)
Ryan Dempster (32) - Type A
Shawn Estes (36)
Josh Fogg (32)
Freddy Garcia (33)
Jon Garland (29) - Type B
Tom Glavine (43)
Mike Hampton (36)
Mark Hendrickson (35)
Livan Hernandez (34)
Orlando Hernandez (43)
Jason Jennings (30)
Randy Johnson (45) - Type B
Kenshin Kawakami (34)
Jon Lieber (39)
Braden Looper (34) - Type B
Rodrigo Lopez (33) - club option for '09
Derek Lowe (36) - Type A
Greg Maddux (43) - Type B
Pedro Martinez (37)
Jamie Moyer (46) - Type A
Mark Mulder (31)
Mike Mussina (40) - Type A
John Parrish (31)
Carl Pavano (33)
Brad Penny (31) - Type B
Odalis Perez (32)
Oliver Perez (27) - Type A
Andy Pettitte (37) - Type A
Sidney Ponson (32)
Mark Prior (27)
Kenny Rogers (44)
Glendon Rusch (34)
C.C. Sabathia (28) - Type A
Curt Schilling (42)
Ben Sheets (30) - Type A
John Smoltz (42) - Type B
Koji Uehara (34)
Kip Wells (32)
Randy Wolf (32) - Type B

Closers
Chad Cordero (27)
Brian Fuentes (33) - Type A
Eric Gagne (33) - Type B
Eddie Guardado (38)
Trevor Hoffman (41) - Type B
Jason Isringhausen (36) - Type A
Brandon Lyon (29) - Type B
Francisco Rodriguez (27) - Type A
Kerry Wood (32) - Type A

Middle relievers
Jeremy Affeldt (30) - Type B
Luis Ayala (31) - Type B
Joe Beimel (32) - Type B
Joe Borowski (38)
Doug Brocail (42) - Type A
Shawn Chacon (31)
Juan Cruz (30) - Type A
Elmer Dessens (37)
Brendan Donnelly (37)
Scott Elarton (33)
Alan Embree (39) - Type B
Kyle Farnsworth (33)
Casey Fossum (31)
Keith Foulke (35)
Chad Fox (38)
Tom Gordon (41)
Mark Hendrickson (35)
Matt Herges (39)
Bob Howry (35) - Type A
Jorge Julio (30)
Jon Lieber (39)
Mike Lincoln (34)
Jason Johnson (35)
Trever Miller (36) - Type B
Guillermo Mota (35)
Will Ohman (31)
Darren Oliver (38) - Type A
Chan Ho Park (36)
Horacio Ramirez (29)
Al Reyes (38)
Dennys Reyes (32) - Type B
Arthur Rhodes (39) - Type B
Juan Rincon (30)
Ricardo Rincon (39)
Glendon Rusch (34)
Rudy Seanez (40) - Type B
Brian Shouse (40) - Type B
Russ Springer (40) - Type A
Ken Takahashi (41)
Julian Tavarez (36)
Mike Timlin (43)
Ron Villone (39)
David Weathers (39) - Type B
Kip Wells (32)
Matt Wise (33)
Jamey Wright (34)

redhawk61
11-14-2008, 10:19 AM
Who I think Walt will target(in no order):
Scott Posednik CF
David Eckstein SS/2b
Jeremy Affeldt RP
Gabe Kapler CF (Would be a very good RH platoon with Dickerson, hit .354 against lefties last year and an overall .301/.340/.498, in 229 AB's)

schmidty622
11-14-2008, 10:31 AM
To be honest I don't think I would add any expensive position players for the 2009 season. With the potential to have a 2010 lineup of:

Stubbs/Dickerson CF
Votto LF
Frazier 3B
Alonzo 1B
Bruce RF
Phillips 2B
Valaika SS
Hanigan C

I'd be looking to add quality pitching as you can never have too much, but I don't want any FA or trades to block the path of our young, productive bats.

Unless the Reds can get a real good bat for relitivly cheap, I'd almost rather let the youth movement take over.

redsfandan
11-14-2008, 10:37 AM
i'm for the youth but we need someone in left. we don't currently have the kind of reliable depth at the mlb level.

schmidty622
11-14-2008, 10:41 AM
Let Freel or Hopper play it this year for all I care. The calvery arrives in 2010.

redhawk61
11-14-2008, 10:42 AM
these when I say bargin shopping, I'm talking about bench players. They certainly won't be blocking and young guys. I would love to actually have a good bench this year with a Kapler/Dickerson (whomever isn't playing in CF) coming into the game in the late innings could be very useful.

Emin3mShady07
11-14-2008, 10:44 AM
Call me crazy, but what if the reds rolled the dice and signed joe crede? Crede is one of the best defensive 3B in the majors when he is healthy. He was among the leaders this year in the plus/minus fielding system and he only played 97 games and he wasn't even completely healthy when he played. He is a below average hitter for third basemen, but the difference between his defense and Encarnacion's would more than make up for Crede's offensive issues, not to mention, Crede could post an OPS around .800 if he has a good year and stays healthy. I think it would be tough to get Crede for a one year contract because Scott Boras is his agent, but if he would sign a one year, incentive-laden deal, I think he would be a big help to the Reds in the upcoming season.

redsfandan
11-14-2008, 10:58 AM
Let Freel or Hopper play it this year for all I care. The calvery arrives in 2010.

well i for one would like the reds to win at least a few more times in '09. that won't happen if we slot freel/hopper into left.


Call me crazy, but what if the reds rolled the dice and signed joe crede? Crede is one of the best defensive 3B in the majors when he is healthy. He was among the leaders this year in the plus/minus fielding system and he only played 97 games and he wasn't even completely healthy when he played. He is a below average hitter for third basemen, but the difference between his defense and Encarnacion's would more than make up for Crede's offensive issues, not to mention, Crede could post an OPS around .800 if he has a good year and stays healthy. I think it would be tough to get Crede for a one year contract because Scott Boras is his agent, but if he would sign a one year, incentive-laden deal, I think he would be a big help to the Reds in the upcoming season.

i like crede as an option but his health/back is a big red flag and because of that i doubt he'll be picked up early. it would have to be a conditional/incentive laden deal to be safe and i'm not sure borass would do that.

Ohioballplayer
11-14-2008, 12:03 PM
Go with the youth movement this year, let Alonso come play 1st, Votto to left, Sign Hairston and let him hit left handers and Dickerson hit right handers, fill your bullpen gaps because Stormy and Affeldt are all but gone. Then in 2010, alot of "good players" will be hitting FA Market, then get your right handed bat with power. Keep EE one more year at 3rd.

Z-Fly
11-14-2008, 12:29 PM
Let Freel or Hopper play it this year for all I care. The calvery arrives in 2010.

Or Keppy even...

dougflynn23
11-14-2008, 05:25 PM
:) I'd love to see Brad Ausmus on a 1 year deal, Casey Blake to play 3B and bat 5th, Juan Cruz and Jeremy Affeldt as the #2 and #3 bullpen guys, and Jerry Hairston Jr. as a super sub or platoon CF with Dickerson.

Stephenk29
11-14-2008, 05:30 PM
lots of injuries, but dare I say Nomar for the 3 bag?

Furcal for SS.

Furcal
Nomar
Votto
Phillips
Bruce
EE (LF)
Dickerson
Hanigan

Orodle
11-14-2008, 09:07 PM
Guys I think the Reds could realistically/should go after:

C-Pudge Rodriguez- worked well with the Marlins and Tigers young pitchers. Yes he old but what better do the Reds have at the position

C-Michael Barrett- wouldnt cost a ton and better than what we got

3B-Mike Lamb- again wouldnt cost a lot ...ship out EE

SS-David Eckstein- Walt should ahve the connection with him.

Relievers: Juan Cruz (might cost a lot as far as a reliever goes), Demarso Marte (also might cost a pretty penny), and resign Affeld.

Orodle
11-14-2008, 09:09 PM
Let Freel or Hopper play it this year for all I care. The calvery arrives in 2010.

What calvary in 2010? Yes there are some guys pumped up here on redszone but most scouts dont give the Reds much credit wise after Jay Bruce.

BigRed
11-15-2008, 09:36 AM
They will not push some of those guys. Most are at least a year away. I know that Walt has stressed certain things this offseason. He wants a right handed rbi guy, a centerfield/leadoff guy, and a catcher. Past that, I don't believe that there will be any moves of any consequence.

schmidty622
11-15-2008, 12:01 PM
What calvary in 2010? Yes there are some guys pumped up here on redszone but most scouts dont give the Reds much credit wise after Jay Bruce.

Uhhh, read the reports on Alonso, Frazier and Valaika. Scout's are plenty impressed with those guys.

Emin3mShady07
11-15-2008, 01:48 PM
Guys I think the Reds could realistically/should go after:

C-Pudge Rodriguez- worked well with the Marlins and Tigers young pitchers. Yes he old but what better do the Reds have at the position

C-Michael Barrett- wouldnt cost a ton and better than what we got

3B-Mike Lamb- again wouldnt cost a lot ...ship out EE

SS-David Eckstein- Walt should ahve the connection with him.

Relievers: Juan Cruz (might cost a lot as far as a reliever goes), Demarso Marte (also might cost a pretty penny), and resign Affeld.

NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO and just for good measure NO NO NO NO NO NO NO. I don't mean to be a dick but Eckstein just has no place in the major leagues anymore.

This is a guy that will post about a .700 OPS which is really bad considering that he also has no value defensively anymore. His plus/minus this year for the blue jays was -12 and that was just in 76 games, that would translate to about -25 or -26 for an entire year and he might be one of the few major leaguers that would be worse defensively than Jeff Keppinger at SS. http://bjays.wordpress.com/2008/10/04/2008-blue-jays-defensive-wrapup/
Also, he had an RZR at SS worse than Jeff Keppinger at SS last season and in 2007 when he was a full time SS with St. Louis. Eck would be a downgrade offensively and a downgrade defensively, so I see no reason at all to spend money on him.

steig
11-16-2008, 03:23 PM
What about going after Casey Blake to play third and moving EdE to left. He give a decent right handed bat and average defense at third.