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redhawk61
11-14-2008, 08:06 PM
What do you think it would take to acquire him, now that the Peavy deal is dead. Arroyo straight up?

757690
11-14-2008, 08:25 PM
What do you think it would take to acquire him, now that the Peavy deal is dead. Arroyo straight up?

Sure, if you added Bruce, Volquez or Cueto.

The Braves are not looking to trade Escobar, but would for Peavy. I think that with the Braves out of the picture, try to get Peavy. The market has been set real low for teams trading high priced veterans.

Offer them Ramon Rameriz, Juan Francisco, Kyle Lotzker, and Devin Mesoraco and see how they re-act.

Orodle
11-14-2008, 09:57 PM
Ya why would they want to trade Escobar? That would be like asking the Reds for Voquez,Cueto, or Bruce for some over priced starting pitcher....I dont think many on redszone would be down for that.

roby
11-15-2008, 02:39 AM
Ya why would they want to trade Escobar? That would be like asking the Reds for Voquez,Cueto, or Bruce for some over priced starting pitcher....I dont think many on redszone would be down for that.

I don't know. Some seem to be "down" with trading Cueto for one year of Holliday. Not too smart, huh?

Natty Redlocks
11-15-2008, 09:00 AM
Sure, if you added Bruce, Volquez or Cueto.

The Braves are not looking to trade Escobar, but would for Peavy. I think that with the Braves out of the picture, try to get Peavy. The market has been set real low for teams trading high priced veterans.

Offer them Ramon Rameriz, Juan Francisco, Kyle Lotzker, and Devin Mesoraco and see how they re-act.

I don't think Peavy was ever going to waive his NTC for the Braves; I seriously doubt he'd even consider it for the Reds, even if they came up with an acceptable offer.

BigRed
11-15-2008, 10:28 AM
I think that the Braves were on his list of teams that he would accept a trade to. The Reds are not on that list. My guess is that the Cubs find a way to get him.

Hondo
11-22-2008, 02:21 AM
Um, Arroyo for Escobar... thats a Deal... Bronsons contract is affordable and Pitching is scarce... I would do that deal... Plus the Reds need to get in on the Peavy Deal... Take on Khalil Greene's Salary for Peavy just Like Boston took on Mike Lowell's contract to get Josh Beckett...

Man, Khalil in a Contract year could play SS and probably Knock 20-25 Homers and Score 100 runs for the Reds... he is Motivated for a Big Pay Day...

Boston made out good by taking on Lowells Salary and Lowell put up Moster Numbers that year!

Please Walt, Read this...

redsfandan
11-22-2008, 05:08 AM
you'd do that deal. i'd do that deal. i think alot of people here would do that deal. but i don't think the braves would do that deal. at least not in a 1 for 1 deal.

fwiw, the big names in the boston-florida deal were beckett/lowell & hanley ramirez/anibal sanchez. hanram and sanchez were both top prospects at the time especially hanram. in the three years since that deal was made i've come across many boston fans that wished that they still had ramirez. also, bostons payroll has been almost double the reds payroll for awhile now and for a team like that it's ALOT easier to make a deal like that.

Ghosts of 1990
11-22-2008, 09:26 AM
I think Bruce, Volquez, Cueto are all going to have WAY better careers than Escobar. We shall see, but I wouldn't go anywhere near him with those three in mind.

Ghosts of 1990
11-22-2008, 09:27 AM
I would however see how they'd feel about Arroyo and a prospect for Francoeur. Their stock on Francoeur has fallen a lot in the past year, and I think he needs a change of scenery. I know his free swinging doesn't fit well here or anywhere, but his RH bat and defense would help.

redsfandan
11-22-2008, 10:24 AM
i think francoeur could still be productive as well but the only problem is we'd have two rightfielders. i guess we could have francoeur in left or francoeur in right and bruce in center for a season. makes me wonder what the braves would want for him.

Hondo
11-22-2008, 11:26 PM
Why would you deal for Francoer? Hes coming off an off year...

Plus on the Peavy Deal... I think the Reds could put together a big enough package while keeping Bruce, Volquez, and Cueto...

Remember you're taking on Khalil Greenes Salary and the Reds could send some unproven prospets to SD just like Boston sent Ramirez and Sanchez...

Yes they were highly touted prospects, but... The Reds can put together 4-5 players for a package for Peavy...

Back to Arroyo for Yunel Escobar... Atlanta would take a long look at that deal... Arroyo had an Awesome second half and is signed for 2 more affordable years...

Plus, I'd rather keep Bronson Anyway...

redsfandan
11-23-2008, 12:45 AM
that's one reason i would be interested in francoeur. after an off year his stock is lower but he still has upside and is solid defensively and inexpensive. IFthe price is right, to buy low could result in a nice payoff.

you seem stuck on peavy and i have no problem with asking about him but i think it's important to be realistic too. imo, it's a little optimistic to think that we have so much money that we can get an outfielder, a catcher, a couple of relievers, AND an ace pitcher and ss. and maybe we could hold onto bruce, votto, volquez and cueto and still acquire peavy. that doesn't mean we should. i wouldn't want to deal 4-5 players that are mlb starters or top prospects for a player that doesn't even fill a need. imo, that would be a mistake.

as far as arrroyo for escobar i still think that's unrealistic. atlanta would've dealt escobar, and a prospect, for peavy but arroyo is no peavy. even if you just look at money i don't see the appeal for atlanta. escobar will be paid peanuts in '09. peavy will literally only make a few million more than arroyo over the next two seasons. arroyo doesn't make a ton for what he does but i wouldn't exactly call his contract a selling point either.



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Plus, I'd rather keep Bronson Anyway...

ok you wanted to deal arroyo for peavy or escobar but then you say that? :rolleyes:

Hondo
11-23-2008, 06:34 PM
Hey man, I was talking about Arroyo for Escobar, not Arroyo for Peavy...

If a trade could be done, I would send Bailey, Dickerson, Belisle, and another player or 2 for Peavy... And if Cueto made it Happen, I would put Cueto in there...

I wasn't suggesting Trading Arroyo for Peavy...

It was the Yunel Escobar Trade... and All I was saying was that on a deal for deal... Arroyo for Escobar was a fair trade... for both teams... I didn't think You'd have to put a package of players with Bronson Arroyo for Escobar considering the Pitching out there and Bronson's friendly contract... that being said... I would rather Keep Arroyo then deal him to Atlanta for Yunel Escobar...

Wouldn't mind signing Orlando Cabrera for a 1 year Deal to solidify SS for 2009 though... That guy could hit #2 and score 100 Runs...

But If I was making the Peavy Trade I would take on Khalil Greenes Contract and put him at SS for 2009 and see what kind of year he has in his walkd(free agent) year...

That way a package of Bailey, Dickerson, Belisle, Stubbs would net Peavy and Greene...

I am being realistic... This Owner keeps talking about being a serious contender... Well its time he shows it and quits messing around with the Josh Fogg's in the Rotation...

Peavy
Harang
Arroyo
Volquez
Cueto/Ramirez

I like that!

tbball10
11-23-2008, 07:19 PM
Hey man, I was talking about Arroyo for Escobar, not Arroyo for Peavy...

If a trade could be done, I would send Bailey, Dickerson, Belisle, and another player or 2 for Peavy... And if Cueto made it Happen, I would put Cueto in there...

I wasn't suggesting Trading Arroyo for Peavy...

It was the Yunel Escobar Trade... and All I was saying was that on a deal for deal... Arroyo for Escobar was a fair trade... for both teams... I didn't think You'd have to put a package of players with Bronson Arroyo for Escobar considering the Pitching out there and Bronson's friendly contract... that being said... I would rather Keep Arroyo then deal him to Atlanta for Yunel Escobar...

Wouldn't mind signing Orlando Cabrera for a 1 year Deal to solidify SS for 2009 though... That guy could hit #2 and score 100 Runs...

But If I was making the Peavy Trade I would take on Khalil Greenes Contract and put him at SS for 2009 and see what kind of year he has in his walkd(free agent) year...

That way a package of Bailey, Dickerson, Belisle, Stubbs would net Peavy and Greene...

I am being realistic... This Owner keeps talking about being a serious contender... Well its time he shows it and quits messing around with the Josh Fogg's in the Rotation...

Peavy
Harang
Arroyo
Volquez
Cueto/Ramirez

I like that!

why would SD trade one of the best pitchers in baseball and a good, proven shortstop with pop for an very unproven, talented pitcher, an unproven toolsy CF and a piece of trash??

Hondo
11-23-2008, 07:29 PM
why would SD trade one of the best pitchers in baseball and a good, proven shortstop with pop for an very unproven, talented pitcher, an unproven toolsy CF and a piece of trash??

Ok, well Atlanta wouldn't give them any of their Gemms, thats why the trade fell though...

Oh and don't forget, San Diego is Looking to DUMP Salary... That is why no one will be giving them the TOP PROSPECTS...

I am not saying that that package will work but there is a package that Cincinnati can offer without giving up BRUCE, VOTTO, VOLQUEZ, Etc...

tbball10
11-23-2008, 11:47 PM
Ok, well Atlanta wouldn't give them any of their Gemms, thats why the trade fell though...

Oh and don't forget, San Diego is Looking to DUMP Salary... That is why no one will be giving them the TOP PROSPECTS...

I am not saying that that package will work but there is a package that Cincinnati can offer without giving up BRUCE, VOTTO, VOLQUEZ, Etc...

they can dump salary alot by trading for votto, bruce, cueto or volquez, and i have a feeling they would need atleast one of those 4 for a hypothetical deal to go down... but peavy wouldnt accept a deal to cincy, so it doesent really matter...