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camisadelgolf
11-16-2008, 02:08 PM
Wow, the Bengals already have a first down. They ended up punting three plays later, but I'm surprised they didn't start the game with a three-and-out. Anyway, maybe the defense can keep the Bengals in this game.

camisadelgolf
11-16-2008, 02:11 PM
The Bengals defense forced a three-and-out. They look really pumped up.

camisadelgolf
11-16-2008, 02:12 PM
Now there's an advertisement for Bud Light. The difference is drinkability.

You know what else has good drinkability and doesn't taste as bad? Water.

camisadelgolf
11-16-2008, 02:13 PM
When you need it most, Nissan delivers. I doubt it, but that's what they're claiming.

camisadelgolf
11-16-2008, 02:16 PM
The Eagles have committed the second-fewest penalties in the NFL, but a defensive holding gives the Bengals the first down.

I hope Bratkowski realizes Benson + pitch = terrible idea.

camisadelgolf
11-16-2008, 02:17 PM
Another penalty against the Eagles (encroachment). Fitzpatrick, like Palmer, seems to be pretty good at getting defenses to jump.

The five yards don't help, though, because Chris Henry drops an easy first down.

camisadelgolf
11-16-2008, 02:21 PM
Kyle Larson is having a bad year. He just had a 25-yard punt that gave the Eagles good field position.

camisadelgolf
11-16-2008, 02:21 PM
Ndukwe is on the ground. He's going to the locker room--it looks like a foot problem.

camisadelgolf
11-16-2008, 02:25 PM
The Bengals' kick return unit commits another penalty, illegal block to the back. They've been doing a lot of that this year.

camisadelgolf
11-16-2008, 02:27 PM
Leon Hall is getting taped up on the sideline.

camisadelgolf
11-16-2008, 02:29 PM
The refs miss a face mask call, but Houshmandzadeh catches a long pass for a first down.
Then, the Eagles rough the passer following another first down catch by Houshmandzadeh.

paintmered
11-16-2008, 02:32 PM
The Bengals' kick return unit commits another penalty, illegal block to the back. They've been doing a lot of that this year.

Bengals should take a look at Huber at UC. He's the odds-on favorite to win the Ray Guy award this year.

camisadelgolf
11-16-2008, 02:32 PM
Fitzpatrick is sacked. That was Scott Kooistra's fault.

camisadelgolf
11-16-2008, 02:33 PM
Bengals should take a look at Huber at UC. He's the odds-on favorite to win the Ray Guy award this year.

Speaking of UC, Brent Celek, UC's all-time best tight end, is making a name for himself with the Eagles.

camisadelgolf
11-16-2008, 02:34 PM
Chris Perry made a one-handed catch and broke three tackles for a four-yard loss. Then, Fitzpatrick got sacked again. No one picked up the very-delayed blitzer.

Kyle Larson makes a great ('lucky' is probably the better word) punt after getting legally tackled.

camisadelgolf
11-16-2008, 02:39 PM
Robert Geathers force McNabb to fumble, and Frostee Rucker tumbles into the endzone, but the Bengals are called down at the one. Marvin Lewis doesn't use the challenge because he's not very smart. Edit: The Bengals probably would have been down at the one anyway, but it was really close. If Thornton didn't give up on blocking, it would have been an easy touchdown.

camisadelgolf
11-16-2008, 02:41 PM
Brian Dawkins and another Eagle seem to be banged up. It's the end of the first quarter.

camisadelgolf
11-16-2008, 02:42 PM
You can get a five-dollar foot-long from Subway. That's right. For only $5, you can shove something the size of two footballs into your stomach. I love America.

paintmered
11-16-2008, 02:43 PM
Speaking of UC, Brent Celek, UC's all-time best tight end, is making a name for himself with the Eagles.

As is Trent Cole. I'm thinking that Craig Krenzel still has nightmares about him.

camisadelgolf
11-16-2008, 02:43 PM
On second and goal, Ryan Fitzpatrick is tackled for a loss of one.

camisadelgolf
11-16-2008, 02:45 PM
Fitzpatrick throws a ball off Chris Henry's finger tips, and Graham hits the field goal.

camisadelgolf
11-16-2008, 02:47 PM
The Eagles returned the ball to the 21 yard line. They had three yards of offense in the first quarter.

camisadelgolf
11-16-2008, 02:49 PM
Buckhalter catches a pass for a 44-yard gain. Too many blitzers.

camisadelgolf
11-16-2008, 02:51 PM
David Akers makes a 42-yard field goal against the wind look easy.

3-3

camisadelgolf
11-16-2008, 02:56 PM
Bob Bratkowski is being Bob Bratkowski.

1st down = incomplete pass
2nd down = short run
3rd down = failed third down

camisadelgolf
11-16-2008, 03:00 PM
The Eagles fail to convert a flea flicker, and they try an end-around that doesn't get anywhere.
The Eagles burn a timeout to prevent delay of game.

Now there's a car commercial. I estimate I will watch over 30 car commercials and 20 beer commercials during this game.

camisadelgolf
11-16-2008, 03:04 PM
The Eagles complete a 17-yard pass to a wide-open Jackson. McNabb then collects Celek on the slant for a gain of 9. On third and short, the Eagles can't convert. It's been their achilles heel this year.

camisadelgolf
11-16-2008, 03:07 PM
Chatman calls a fair catch, but the refs rule the ball dead even though Chatman didn't hang out to it. He recovered the fumble anyway, though, so it doesn't matter.

camisadelgolf
11-16-2008, 03:11 PM
Kooistra doesn't have a chance against Trent Cole. Fitzpatrick is sacked again.

camisadelgolf
11-16-2008, 03:12 PM
Chatman fumbles the ball, and Eagles gain possession.
He was hit hard and still on the ground.

edit: He's finally carted off the field. It took a long time. Hopefully he's okay. He's another UC guy, for what it's worth.

camisadelgolf
11-16-2008, 03:20 PM
It's the two-minute warning, and the Eagles are on the Bengals 40 yard line.

camisadelgolf
11-16-2008, 03:24 PM
A completion to Avant gets the Eagles to the 22 yard line, but Brandon Johnson gets his first career interception and a decent return to about midfield.

camisadelgolf
11-16-2008, 03:27 PM
Ocho Cinco makes three consecutive completions, and the Bengals are threatening with 39 seconds left.

camisadelgolf
11-16-2008, 03:28 PM
Fitzpatrick does a good pump fake, and T.J. Houshmandzadeh catches a touchdown.
edit: It's the Bengals' longest completion of the season (26 yards).

OldRightHander
11-16-2008, 03:29 PM
That was a nice looking play all around there.

camisadelgolf
11-16-2008, 03:30 PM
Shayne Graham commits illegal procedure. The Eagles get the ball at the 40-yard line with 33 seconds left in the half.

camisadelgolf
11-16-2008, 03:31 PM
That was a nice looking play all around there.

The protection did an excellent job. Everyone did what they were supposed to. Fitzpatrick is starting to get comfortable, I think.

camisadelgolf
11-16-2008, 03:32 PM
A wide-open DeSean Jackson catches the ball at the Bengals' 34.

camisadelgolf
11-16-2008, 03:33 PM
Johnathan Joseph catches a ball off Kevin Curtis' shoulder for an interception. There are nine seconds left in the half, and the Bengals run out the clock.

cincrazy
11-16-2008, 03:33 PM
I'm falling in love with this defense. I can't believe I just said that. But it's the truth.

CTA513
11-16-2008, 03:43 PM
The Bengals' kick return unit commits another penalty, illegal block to the back. They've been doing a lot of that this year.

No reason for the Bengals to keep getting pentalties on punt returns.
They don't have a good punt returner and they don't block that well on punt returns.

camisadelgolf
11-16-2008, 03:47 PM
The Eagles muff the kickoff and are down at the 12 yard line.

camisadelgolf
11-16-2008, 03:49 PM
Like they've done the rest of the year, the Eagles failed to convert on 3rd and one. The punting unit comes on the field.

camisadelgolf
11-16-2008, 03:50 PM
Houshmandzadeh returns the punt (and has a good return) since Chatman is out of the game. They said Chatman has a back injury but is moving okay.
edit: It was Houshmandzadeh's first punt return since 2004.

camisadelgolf
11-16-2008, 03:53 PM
Cedric Benson gets a 14-yard run.

Hoosier Red
11-16-2008, 03:56 PM
Up 2 scores

camisadelgolf
11-16-2008, 03:56 PM
Ben Utecht caught a ball and fumbled it out of bounds, which set up the field goal for Shayne Graham. However, in the replay, it looked like Utecht might not have had full possession and/or the ball never went out of bounds. It's a moot point now, though. 13-3 Bengals.

camisadelgolf
11-16-2008, 03:58 PM
The Eagles return the kickoff to the 39, and the next play, Hank Baskett gets the ball to the four-yard line. LJ Smith catches the next play for a touchdown. That was quick.

That was really terrible defense from the Bengals on that two-play "drive". 13-10.

camisadelgolf
11-16-2008, 04:05 PM
On third and one, the Bengals toss to Benson, who loses five yards or so.

camisadelgolf
11-16-2008, 04:05 PM
The 44-yard punt is returned to the 38. Eagles ball.

CTA513
11-16-2008, 04:07 PM
On third and one, the Bengals toss to Benson, who loses five yards or so.

Why are they having Benson running those toss plays when thats not his strength?

:bang:

camisadelgolf
11-16-2008, 04:10 PM
The Eagles are moving the ball fairly easily. They're now in Bengals territory at the 41.

camisadelgolf
11-16-2008, 04:13 PM
Why are they having Benson running those toss plays when thats not his strength?

:bang:


I hope Bratkowski realizes Benson + pitch = terrible idea.

But at least Chris "Leave Britney alone" Crocker gets the interception.

Hoosier Red
11-16-2008, 04:15 PM
But at least Chris "Leave Britney alone" Crocker gets the interception.

Who's Chris Crocker? It's bad enough when I have to do this at IU basketball games this year.

camisadelgolf
11-16-2008, 04:16 PM
The Bengals are now moving the ball well. Houshmandzadeh is down at the 26.

camisadelgolf
11-16-2008, 04:17 PM
Who's Chris Crocker? It's bad enough when I have to do this at IU basketball games this year.

He was put on the roster a couple weeks ago.
http://www.bengals.com/team/player.asp?player_id=233

camisadelgolf
11-16-2008, 04:18 PM
It looks like Whitworth might have a high ankle sprain.

camisadelgolf
11-16-2008, 04:19 PM
Fitzpatrick is sacked again. The Bengals will go for it on 4th and 16 and fail.

camisadelgolf
11-16-2008, 04:25 PM
Chris Crocker sacks McNabb on 3rd and 7. The Eagles punt it in the endzone.

WMR
11-16-2008, 04:27 PM
I really think Marvin might be semi-retarded.

Why he didn't challenge that Geathers fumble recovery for a TD is mystifying.

camisadelgolf
11-16-2008, 04:28 PM
Cedric Benson gains 18 yards on the screen.

This is the Eagles first game in Cincinnati since 1994.

camisadelgolf
11-16-2008, 04:30 PM
Fitzpatrick is sacked for the sixth time.

camisadelgolf
11-16-2008, 04:31 PM
Larson punts the ball out of bounds nowhere way before it reaches the 20 yard line.

camisadelgolf
11-16-2008, 04:34 PM
McNabb completes an 18-yard pass and almost completes a pass for a touchdown to Westbrook.

camisadelgolf
11-16-2008, 04:35 PM
Avant catches a ball and is down at the Bengals 39. They need to tighten up because the receivers aren't having much problem getting open on this drive.

Westbrook carries it up the middle on the draw to the 28 yard line.

camisadelgolf
11-16-2008, 04:38 PM
Curtis catches a ball, and it's now 4th and three inches. The Eagles are going for it.

The Eagles convert on the QB sneak.

camisadelgolf
11-16-2008, 04:41 PM
On 3rd and 6 from the 14, the Celek is stopped at the 10 yard line. The Eagles are debating a field goal.
edit: Akers is now on the field for a 17-yard attempt. It's good. 13-13.

Hoosier Red
11-16-2008, 04:45 PM
13-13 with 5 minutes to go, I'll take this for sure.
Really need a decent drive here.

camisadelgolf
11-16-2008, 04:46 PM
Holt is forced out of bounds at the 31.

Hoosier Red
11-16-2008, 04:48 PM
Thanks for the PbP.

camisadelgolf
11-16-2008, 04:49 PM
The pocket collapsed. Cole made Levi Jones look silly. The Bengals were going to fake punt on 4th and 1, but the false start ruined it.

camisadelgolf
11-16-2008, 04:51 PM
Dear Bengals,
Hire a general manager.
Love,
Your fans

camisadelgolf
11-16-2008, 04:51 PM
DeSean Jackson is down.

camisadelgolf
11-16-2008, 04:53 PM
It's 3rd and 1 at the two minute warning.

camisadelgolf
11-16-2008, 04:55 PM
Geathers bats down the ball. 4th and 1.

camisadelgolf
11-16-2008, 04:56 PM
The Eagles' punter, Rocca, shanks it. A 17 yard punt gives the Bengals the ball at the 34.

camisadelgolf
11-16-2008, 04:57 PM
Ocho Cinco drops a ball. 2nd and 10.

camisadelgolf
11-16-2008, 04:57 PM
A pass intended for Chris Oneman Crimewave Henry is incomplete.

camisadelgolf
11-16-2008, 04:58 PM
A three-and-out. The Bengals will punt with 1:32 left.

camisadelgolf
11-16-2008, 04:59 PM
DeSean Jackson fair catches it with 1:25 at the 28.

camisadelgolf
11-16-2008, 05:00 PM
Incomplete pass to Jackson. 2nd and 10.

camisadelgolf
11-16-2008, 05:01 PM
The pressure gets to McNabb before the screen can be set up. 3rd and 10.

camisadelgolf
11-16-2008, 05:01 PM
McNabb had all the time in the world but couldn't connect with anyone. 4th and 10.

camisadelgolf
11-16-2008, 05:02 PM
Rocca shanks another one. 31 yards. 56 seconds left at the Bengals 40.

OldRightHander
11-16-2008, 05:02 PM
Both teams showing how to eat up some clock there. Seeing some big time shanks by the Eagles punter here.

camisadelgolf
11-16-2008, 05:03 PM
The wind is blowing to the Bengals' backs, by the way.

Chris Henry catches a pass for eight yards. 2nd and 2.

camisadelgolf
11-16-2008, 05:03 PM
Chris Perry can't catch the pass, which works to the Bengals' advantage because it would've been for a loss of clock and yardage.

camisadelgolf
11-16-2008, 05:04 PM
Fitzpatrick is sacked for the 7th time.

camisadelgolf
11-16-2008, 05:04 PM
The Eagles use their 2nd timeout with 20 seconds left.

OldRightHander
11-16-2008, 05:04 PM
Wind's not blowing hard enough to put one through from this far out though.

camisadelgolf
11-16-2008, 05:06 PM
DeSean Jackson returns the punt to the 33 yard line. There are eight seconds left in regulation.

WMR
11-16-2008, 05:06 PM
The Bengals are so bad.

camisadelgolf
11-16-2008, 05:07 PM
The Eagles commit holding, so we're going to overtime.

camisadelgolf
11-16-2008, 05:08 PM
Eagles win the toss and will receive the ball.

camisadelgolf
11-16-2008, 05:09 PM
The Eagles have never won in Cincinnati.

camisadelgolf
11-16-2008, 05:10 PM
The Eagles return the ball to the 22.

Matt700wlw
11-16-2008, 05:11 PM
The Eagles have never won in Cincinnati.

This is also their first visit to PBS...the last team to visit the stadium

camisadelgolf
11-16-2008, 05:11 PM
The ball is completed to Curtis for a first down. It seems like Leon Hall has been slipping on the field a lot these past couple weeks.

camisadelgolf
11-16-2008, 05:12 PM
The Eagles come out in the wildcat formation and lose three yards on the reverse to Jackson.

OldRightHander
11-16-2008, 05:13 PM
If they had the '05 offense with the defense they've had some of the games this year, you'd be looking at an unstoppable team.

camisadelgolf
11-16-2008, 05:13 PM
On 3rd and 10, Avant makes a catch at the 42. 4th and 5.

OldRightHander
11-16-2008, 05:14 PM
Housh knows how to return kicks. Take it right up the gut and get what you can instead of dancing around.

camisadelgolf
11-16-2008, 05:14 PM
Houshmandzadeh has a nice return to the 43, but there's a holding penalty for 10 yards.
edit: The announcers agree with me--a penalty shouldn't've been called.

camisadelgolf
11-16-2008, 05:15 PM
Benson gets two yards up the middle.

WMR
11-16-2008, 05:15 PM
MAN HOW BLEEPING RETARDED CAN YOU BE?

BECAUSE OF NFL RULES THEY CAN'T SHOW BONUS COVERAGE PAST 4:15?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!!??!?!?!?!!?!?!?!?!?

Someone please explain that Bull to me.

The NFL is really doing their best to ruin their sport with the way they run their product.

camisadelgolf
11-16-2008, 05:15 PM
Another run up the middle. 3rd and 5. The fans aren't happy.

camisadelgolf
11-16-2008, 05:16 PM
Houshmandzadeh catches the ball for a first down.

camisadelgolf
11-16-2008, 05:17 PM
Fitzpatrick felt the pressure and throws an incomplete pass.

camisadelgolf
11-16-2008, 05:17 PM
Ocho Cinco catches his 600th career reception for a first down.

camisadelgolf
11-16-2008, 05:18 PM
No gain on the shovel pass to Benson. It was a good play by the defense.

camisadelgolf
11-16-2008, 05:19 PM
Benson rushes outside to the Eagles 46 yard line for a four yard gain. 3rd and 6.

camisadelgolf
11-16-2008, 05:19 PM
Chris Perry rushes for a loss of one. Terrible call, Bratkowski.

WMR
11-16-2008, 05:20 PM
How does Brat still have a job?

My god his play-calling is atrocious.

camisadelgolf
11-16-2008, 05:20 PM
The fans are shaking their heads in disbelief.

Larson kicks a nice punt. The returner runs out of bounds at the 11.

camisadelgolf
11-16-2008, 05:21 PM
The playaction is complete to the fullback. 2nd and 2.

camisadelgolf
11-16-2008, 05:22 PM
Westbrook runs up the middle for the first down. 6:30 left in overtime.

camisadelgolf
11-16-2008, 05:22 PM
False start against the Eagles. 1st and 15.

camisadelgolf
11-16-2008, 05:23 PM
Kevin Curtis makes an amazing catch, but it's offensive pass interference for a 10 yard penalty. 1st and 25.

camisadelgolf
11-16-2008, 05:24 PM
The clock is still running. 5:30.

camisadelgolf
11-16-2008, 05:25 PM
Curtis catches the ball at the 26 yard line. 2nd and 11. 4:45 left and still going.

camisadelgolf
11-16-2008, 05:25 PM
Delay of game. 5 yard penalty. 2nd and 16.

camisadelgolf
11-16-2008, 05:26 PM
Johnathan "Brick Hands" Joseph drops an easy interception. 3rd and 16.

camisadelgolf
11-16-2008, 05:26 PM
There hasn't been a tie in the NFL since November, 2002.

camisadelgolf
11-16-2008, 05:27 PM
McNabb throws it away. 4th and 16. 4:18 left.

camisadelgolf
11-16-2008, 05:27 PM
Rocca shanks another. It's a 34 yard punt to the Bengals' 45 with 4:12 left.

camisadelgolf
11-16-2008, 05:28 PM
A completion to TJ for a gain of two.

camisadelgolf
11-16-2008, 05:29 PM
Kelly catches a pass just short of the first down. 3rd and 1. The refs are stopping the game to discuss something.

camisadelgolf
11-16-2008, 05:30 PM
The game continues, and Fitzpatrick does a sneak. It's just barely a first down.

camisadelgolf
11-16-2008, 05:31 PM
The booth is reviewing the play.

camisadelgolf
11-16-2008, 05:32 PM
The play stands. 1st down.

camisadelgolf
11-16-2008, 05:33 PM
The Eagles call a timeout. 2:18 left.

camisadelgolf
11-16-2008, 05:35 PM
The Bengals haven't had a tie game since 1969.

Cedric Benson catches a pass for a loss of one, and the Eagles call their last timeout.

camisadelgolf
11-16-2008, 05:37 PM
Ocho Cinco can't hang on to the ball. 3rd and 11 from the Eagles 46.

camisadelgolf
11-16-2008, 05:37 PM
Fitzpatrick is tripped behind the line. It's the eight sack for the Eagles.

camisadelgolf
11-16-2008, 05:38 PM
1:59 left, and Larson is punting.

Matt700wlw
11-16-2008, 05:38 PM
This team has no guts. They don't deserve to win.

camisadelgolf
11-16-2008, 05:39 PM
Jackson is down at the 13 yard line. 1:50 left.

OldRightHander
11-16-2008, 05:39 PM
Bengals haven't had a tie since I was an infant.

camisadelgolf
11-16-2008, 05:40 PM
McNabb's pass is tipped by John Thornton.

Anyone want to guess win Tony Siragusa will die of a heart attack? My guess is March, 2010.

camisadelgolf
11-16-2008, 05:40 PM
McNabb's pass is tipped again, this time by Fletcher. He's 27 of 56 passing.

Matt700wlw
11-16-2008, 05:41 PM
Ties suck

camisadelgolf
11-16-2008, 05:41 PM
Curtis fights his way one yard short of the first down. 4th and 1.

camisadelgolf
11-16-2008, 05:42 PM
The Eagles elect to let Rocca punt again instead of bringing in someone who hasn't shanked his last three punts.

camisadelgolf
11-16-2008, 05:42 PM
Rocca's punt is it end over end to the Bengals 40 and unfielded.

Matt700wlw
11-16-2008, 05:43 PM
Eagles may give the Bengals this one....

Close to Shayne's range.

camisadelgolf
11-16-2008, 05:43 PM
Houshmandzadeh catches it at the Eagles 49, and the Eagles rough the passer for a 15 yard penalty.

OldRightHander
11-16-2008, 05:44 PM
Should that have been a roughing call?

camisadelgolf
11-16-2008, 05:44 PM
Chris Perry is predictably injured at the Eagles 29 with :52 left.

camisadelgolf
11-16-2008, 05:45 PM
Glass Perry probably has a concussion. The Bengals have one timeout left.

camisadelgolf
11-16-2008, 05:46 PM
The refs must be getting paid overtime. They're having a meeting. Marvin Lewis asked if he could call a timeout and have 10 seconds run off, but the refs said no.

Incomplete pass to Houshmandzadeh.

Matt700wlw
11-16-2008, 05:47 PM
He missed it.

:laugh:

camisadelgolf
11-16-2008, 05:47 PM
Benson runs up the middle for a one yard loss. It'll be a 47-yard field goal attempt for Graham. The Bengals are letting the clock come down.

camisadelgolf
11-16-2008, 05:48 PM
The kick is just barely wide to the right. No good. Bengals still suck. :07 left.

CTA513
11-16-2008, 05:48 PM
:ughmamoru

Matt700wlw
11-16-2008, 05:49 PM
Tie.

This is worse than a loss.

Ties are the stupidest way to end a sporting event. I'd demand my money back.

WMR
11-16-2008, 05:49 PM
AWESOME

TIE TIE TIE TIE TIE

Mike Brown for President of the World

Marvin for Vice-President

Bratkowski for Chief of Suck... err, Staff

camisadelgolf
11-16-2008, 05:49 PM
The hail mary is incomplete. It's a tie game. 13-13.

For three consecutive weeks, the Bengals haven't lost. I really hope they build on this great momentum.

remdog
11-16-2008, 05:51 PM
The NFL really has to go to a colligate style tie-breaker. Not only is it more exciting, it's fairer, IMO.

Rem

remdog
11-16-2008, 05:53 PM
The Bengals would have been better off losing this one. Not only did they not win but they pretty much eliminated themselves from the #1 draft pick.

Rem

11larkin11
11-16-2008, 05:54 PM
The Bengals kiss their sister

WMR
11-16-2008, 05:57 PM
The Bengals would have been better off losing this one. Not only did they not win but they pretty much eliminated themselves from the #1 draft pick.

Rem

The Bengals even screw up losing.

CTA513
11-16-2008, 05:57 PM
The offense blew this game.

remdog
11-16-2008, 06:00 PM
What offense? The Bengals 'O' is pathetic. When they lost Carson Palmer they lost any semplance of an 'O'.

Personally, I don't understand why Palmer doesn't admit his arm is damaged and get the surgery that he most likely needs. At least work on next year Carson since you are no help to this hapless team in '08.

Rem

paintmered
11-16-2008, 06:05 PM
The Bengals just divided by zero.

WMR
11-16-2008, 06:07 PM
What offense? The Bengals 'O' is pathetic. When they lost Carson Palmer they lost any semplance of an 'O'.

Personally, I don't understand why Palmer doesn't admit his arm is damaged and get the surgery that he most likely needs. At least work on next year Carson since you are no help to this hapless team in '08.

Rem

Exactly.

The fact that the Bengals haven't made Carson have the surgery yet is just example number 1,000,000 of why this franchise is completely pathetic with no hope of being anywhere close to contender status.

Just totally pathetic from top to bottom.

WVRed
11-16-2008, 06:28 PM
Finally got to watch most of a full game.

I don't think it matters who is the QB right now, whether it is Palmer or Fitzpatrick. Nobody is going to do well with as many sacks as were taken today. Fitzpatrick may actually have an advantage over Palmer in that he has mobility. Palmer would have been a lamb being led to the slaughter in this one.

That being said, Bratkowski might be the most predictable and conservative offensive coordinator in the league. I'm convinced that with what little I know about football that I could run plays on defense that would beat the Bengals. When they ran on third down in OT I thought my head was going to explode. Not to mention running Cedric Benson (a power runner) east to west instead of north to south. Overall mismanagement.

The defense is the lone bright spot on this team. It has taken some time, but I believe Zimmer has earned his keep.

On the other side, not to sound like Rush Limbaugh, but would anybody else agree Donovan McNabb is the most overrated QB in the league?

I'm hoping for two to three things this offseason:

1.Marvin goes or gets a GM to take the load off. I can go with either one.

2.Bratkowski absolutely has to go. I can't stand to watch another week of this playcalling.

3.Get back to basics in the draft and invest in offensive and defensive lines. Build up in the trenches before anything else.

Reds4Life
11-16-2008, 06:52 PM
What offense? The Bengals 'O' is pathetic. When they lost Carson Palmer they lost any semplance of an 'O'.

Personally, I don't understand why Palmer doesn't admit his arm is damaged and get the surgery that he most likely needs. At least work on next year Carson since you are no help to this hapless team in '08.

Rem

Yep. If he would have had the surgery already, which he should have, he'd be working on rehab now and could be 100% by the start of next season. There is no reason for him to wait, this team isn't going anywhere this year so the idea he could jump in and "help" is totally pointless.

Hoosier Red
11-16-2008, 07:45 PM
If the time back from a surgery is roughly 12 months, than now, later or a month ago doesn't really matter. If the doctors are right and rest will take care of it, than surgery would have been a bad idea dont ya think?

remdog
11-16-2008, 09:50 PM
If the time back from a surgery is roughly 12 months, than now, later or a month ago doesn't really matter. If the doctors are right and rest will take care of it, than surgery would have been a bad idea dont ya think?

No. No one has said what the surgery would be or what the recovery time would be.

Waiting out the rest of the season is fruitless since he's not going to help the Bengals, who are simply beyond help. However, by doing so you are also throwing in the towel on the '09 season if recovery time is a year. So, in effect, you are looking at '10 as the next time Palmer has a chance to help this team. If you take care of the problem early and recovery time is say, 6-9 months the '09 season isn't down the toilet already.

Rem

blumj
11-17-2008, 10:18 AM
On the other side, not to sound like Rush Limbaugh, but would anybody else agree Donovan McNabb is the most overrated QB in the league?
I didn't see this game, but his attempts at running a hurry-up offense are literally comical. How can he still be that bad at it?

camisadelgolf
11-17-2008, 10:35 AM
On the other side, not to sound like Rush Limbaugh, but would anybody else agree Donovan McNabb is the most overrated QB in the league?

McNabb is certainly up there, but if Matt Cassel keeps going like he has been, he will make Tom Brady look average. Some people argue that Brady's the best quarterback in the NFL, even above Peyton Manning due to the quantity of Super Bowl rings, but I'll take Palmer over Brady any day.

I would nominate Ben Roethlisberger, too. I also think it's a matter of time before Tony Romo implodes.

SunDeck
11-17-2008, 10:47 AM
3.Get back to basics in the draft and invest in offensive and defensive lines. Build up in the trenches before anything else.

Football is funny. On the one hand it is enormously complex (although that seems to be lost on the Bengals and Bratkowski), and on the other hand it is tremendously simple.

The object of the game is to push the other team towards their own end zone and to prevent from being pushed towards your own end zone. You can't do either of these unless you control the line of scrimmage. You can't pass if your offensive line doesn't protect your quarterback. You can't run if your linemen don't create holes in the other team's line. You can't stop a team if you can't plug up the holes and push the pocket towards the passer.

Let's draft some cornerbacks!

WVRed
11-17-2008, 04:18 PM
McNabb is certainly up there, but if Matt Cassel keeps going like he has been, he will make Tom Brady look average. Some people argue that Brady's the best quarterback in the NFL, even above Peyton Manning due to the quantity of Super Bowl rings, but I'll take Palmer over Brady any day.

I would nominate Ben Roethlisberger, too. I also think it's a matter of time before Tony Romo implodes.

I'll maintain that Tom Brady is a system quarterback, similar to Kurt Warner with the Rams during their Super Bowl run. You will have the numbers, but its ultimately a reflection on the coach orchestrating the plays.

Once teams started finding out how to disrupt the system, Warner became a below average QB. I believe the same will ultimately happen with Tom Brady.

camisadelgolf
11-17-2008, 04:29 PM
I'll maintain that Tom Brady is a system quarterback, similar to Kurt Warner with the Rams during their Super Bowl run. You will have the numbers, but its ultimately a reflection on the coach orchestrating the plays.

Once teams started finding out how to disrupt the system, Warner became a below average QB. I believe the same will ultimately happen with Tom Brady.

I'm not saying I disagree with you, but how do you explain Warner having the best QB rating in the NFL this year?

WVRed
11-18-2008, 05:34 PM
I'm not saying I disagree with you, but how do you explain Warner having the best QB rating in the NFL this year?

I think he has made some adjustments and has bonafide weapons that he hasn't had since the days in St Louis.

I'd be interested in seeing Marshall Faulk, Torry Holt, and Isaac Bruce's numbers in Warner's Super Bowl year compared with Edgerrin James, Larry Fitzgerald, and Anquan Boldin at the end of the season.

I kinda knew that would come up. My point was after he was knocked out and people figured out how to disrupt Martz's system, Warner collapsed and it took going to Arizona to get it fixed.

Sea Ray
11-18-2008, 06:17 PM
That being said, Bratkowski might be the most predictable and conservative offensive coordinator in the league. I'm convinced that with what little I know about football that I could run plays on defense that would beat the Bengals. When they ran on third down in OT I thought my head was going to explode. Not to mention running Cedric Benson (a power runner) east to west instead of north to south. Overall mismanagement.



I agree. He needs to go but he's not the only OC who calls plays like that. Did you catch the end of the Browns game last night? With less than a minute remaining with the Bills only needing a FG to win it, they throw a nice pass which gets them to about the 35 yd line. Then they proceed to run the ball three times, gaining maybe a total of 3 yards and then their kicker just barely misses the long FG. Game lost and likely out of the playoff hunt. That was Bratkowski-like indeed.

Sea Ray
11-18-2008, 06:22 PM
Exactly.

The fact that the Bengals haven't made Carson have the surgery yet is just example number 1,000,000 of why this franchise is completely pathetic with no hope of being anywhere close to contender status.

Just totally pathetic from top to bottom.

Things in medicine are not always so cut and dried. I don't think it's a given that he needs TJ surgery. Remember when Barry Larkin partially tore his elbow ligament in the All Star game skills contest? He had to sit out the rest of the year but he didn't need surgery. I think Carson's injury is similar to Barry's.