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Cyclone792
11-16-2008, 05:04 PM
So here we go ...

Pitt rolls in to Nippert next Saturday night to take on UC, and while the game won't officially settle the Big East Championship, it will go a long, long way to determining who's going to win the Big East and land the automatic BCS bid, which will likely send the Big East champ down to Miami for the Orange Bowl. If UC beats Pitt, then all that will stand in the way of a Big East title will be a home game in two weeks against 2-8 Syracuse. If UC loses to Pitt, things will get very interesting and UC will still have a chance to win the Big East, albeit a very small chance.

Nippert will be absolutely rocking next weekend, and I'm expecting a sellout for the biggest game in UC's history. I'll be heading down with a group of a half dozen people to partake in the craziness.

Weather doesn't look too bad, though we're still six days out. Currently they're calling for a high of 47 and a low of 33 on Saturday with a 20 percent chance of precip.

paintmered
11-16-2008, 05:06 PM
Without hyperbole, this is the biggest game in UC football history.

GoReds33
11-16-2008, 05:24 PM
I've got two tickets. Me and a friend are making the trip. It should be really fun.

paintmered
11-16-2008, 08:02 PM
The early line has UC (-5). Vegas has a little more faith in the Bearcats than I do, to be honest.

GoReds33
11-16-2008, 08:13 PM
To all the UC fans in Cincinnati, buy some tickets. They still have groups of four for sale on Catstix.com. We need a sellout. This is getting rediculious. UC needs to have the stadium rocking, and we need every seat filled. I've done my part. Go buy some tickets, and show your support. Get ready for the biggest game in UC history!

Redlegs23
11-16-2008, 08:38 PM
I'll be in the lair. I can't wait. Nippert will be absolutely crazy on Saturday. Win this game, and I'll be making a trip to Miami for the Orange Bowl (or New Orleans for the Sugar Bowl).

Caveat Emperor
11-16-2008, 09:34 PM
This is the game that could go down in history as "the one" that sent the University of Cincinnati football program to the next level.

Win this game, and you get to play on the biggest of national stages with a chance to announce to the world (and recruits around the country) that UC Football is ready to join the world of major college football. Win the BCS game that follows, and you get the opportunity to start the next season ranked and have a legitimate chance to compete for a national title.

That's what this game means.

No pressure, kids. ;)

NorrisHopper30
11-17-2008, 12:16 AM
No pressure, kids. ;)

My heart is already thumping, I can't imagine what BK is thinking right now. One win could completely change everything football in Cincinnati. A win here would bring more money to the program, more recruits, and more positive national press.

Cyclone792
11-17-2008, 08:30 AM
The early line has UC (-5). Vegas has a little more faith in the Bearcats than I do, to be honest.

I'm fairly confident UC will pull out a win since the game is at home. I think the game in Morgantown two weeks ago was tougher, especially given the atmosphere UC was playing in that night.

That much said, I'm expecting a close game as these two teams are fairly evenly matched. If UC can win the turnover battle and not shoot themselves in the foot with penalties, we'll be in nice shape. I think we've got an edge in special teams* all around, and our advantage there should help us win the battle for field position to make things a little bit easier on the offense and defense.

*I think Rogers will hopefully be ok even though he's missed four straight field goals. He'll be at home on the familiar Nippert Field turf, and it should be dry. If it isn't windy, he should be ok.

Cyclone792
11-17-2008, 02:03 PM
Josh Katowitz blog update ...

http://gobearcats.cstv.com/sports/blog/spec-rel/111708aaa.html


(12:13 p.m.): BK was asked today about how, after UC has played back-to-back emotional games (with back-to-back emotional wins), the Bearcats can continue to play without a letdown. At some point, you’d think, the Bearcats would go into a game mentally exhausted and not perform well enough to win.

I theorized that time might come last Friday at Louisville – even though I did, in fact, pick UC to win the game. Short week after a program-changing win at West Virginia, another road game, etc. I thought it was a possibility the Bearcats could come out flat. Obviously, that wasn’t the case.

Why not?

“At this time of the year, if you don’t have enough in the tank … to me, it’s 18-to-22 yea r-old kids,” BK said. “We gave them a few days off. We don’t grind them out. They’ll be at full strength. There won’t be any excuses for us because we’re tired. We were tired last week, back to back on the road, you’re on the bus again. That can get your team tired, but we’ll be fine this weekend.”

After the game Friday, he also made this point:

“It’s what has to happen if you’re going to win a Big East championship. You’re going to get caught on the road, playing an emotional game like West Virginia. But you know what? Nobody cares. You have to win the game. You have to find a way. That’s why I’m happy with the way we played in the second half. We won the second half, which allowed us to win the football game.”

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BK doesn’t seem worried about Jake Rogers’ confidence. He said the problems against Louisville stemmed from a wet ball and an improper technique.

“It’s interesting,” BK said. “It’s the development of a kicker. Earlier in the year, he struggled mentally. This time, it was technique. He has a natural draw on his kicks, but they didn’t draw because of the wet balls. He hit all of them well, but he missed all of them to right. Then he overcompensated. I’m sure he’ll be able to correct it for this weekend.”

I’m not sure I completely buy that (remember how badly Rogers flubbed that kickoff following the missed field goal? That’s what has happened to Rogers when his confidence goes). But I’ll guess we’ll see how Rogers performs on Saturday – and how much confidence BK has in him.

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Don’t know if you caught this quote from BK regarding a potential sell-out for the Pitt game. If not, give it a read:

“It is the biggest game in school history. There’s no question about that. If that place doesn’t have 500,000 people in it, I’m going to be pissed. We have done everything to elevate this football program. If you can’t support us next week, there’s nothing else we can do. We’ve won, we’ve been consistent, it’s time now for our fans to show up. They’ve been good, but it should be the hardest ticket to get in Cincinnati.”

With that, I called Lindsey Delscamp in the ticket office this afternoon, and she said only a couple thousand tickets remain. She said UC “sold a ton” of tickets during the weekend, and it wouldn’t be surprising if those tickets are gone in the next day or two. Plan accordingly.

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And one last thought about Greg Robinson, who was fired Sunday, from Louisville coach Steve Kragthorpe.

“I think Greg is a great person,” he said. “I think he’s a great football coach. Unfortunately in this industry, if you don’t win football games, you don’t get to work anymore. With the timing, that’s a move a lot of guys are making nowadays, making a change earlier if a change is imminent to get somebody in place for recruiting.”

NatiRedGals
11-17-2008, 04:31 PM
Dose anyone have any tickets that they cant use? I could pay but i was just checking on the UC website and their 35 bucks a piece. Am looking for something alittle cheaper. thanks guys.

paintmered
11-17-2008, 04:53 PM
Dose anyone have any tickets that they cant use? I could pay but i was just checking on the UC website and their 35 bucks a piece. Am looking for something alittle cheaper. thanks guys.

35 bucks is the best you'll do at this point unless you can find a student who is lucky enough to get one of the few student guest tickets. You better believe that none of the seats in my season ticket block are going to waste.

GoReds33
11-17-2008, 04:54 PM
35 bucks is the best you'll do at this point unless you can find a student who is lucky enough to get one of the few student guest tickets.I'm a student, but the guest tickets were long gone before I could get two of them. I'm trying to scrounge up enough money to get two regular tickets for some friends.

paintmered
11-17-2008, 05:03 PM
Per BCI, the ticket office expects a sell-out before COB Wednesday. I've also read that there might be some $10 overflow seats made available to students.

Give the ticket office a call and see what they say. 1-877-CATS-TIX

Cyclone792
11-17-2008, 05:31 PM
Per BCI, the ticket office expects a sell-out before COB Wednesday. I've also read that there might be some $10 overflow seats made available to students.

Give the ticket office a call and see what they say. 1-877-CATS-TIX

I have no idea if this is true, but the latest I'm hearing is only 3,000 tickets remaining.

If anybody doesn't already have tickets, get on www.catstix.com and grab your seats now.

Cyclone792
11-17-2008, 05:32 PM
Update on Koch's blog ...

http://news.cincinnati.com/apps/pbcs.dll/section?category=blog04&plckController=Blog&plckScript=blogScript&plckElementId=blogDest&plckBlogPage=BlogViewPost&plckPostId=Blog%3ada6629a0-7bd0-4605-8869-25a20cb5adabPost%3a2e3f1f90-e499-40c7-bf01-06ed440162f5&sid=sitelife.cincinnati.com


Stay in the moment.

That’s the approach Brian Kelly is taking this week with his players as they prepare for Saturday’s game against Pittsburgh that could all but secure the Big East championship and the Bearcats’ first BCS bowl berth.

“We’re not going to change anything,” Kelly said today. “We’ve tried to stay in the moment. If we do that, we’ll be fine.”

It’s a moment that would have been hard to envision 10 years ago when the Bearcats were toiling in Conference USA. In 1998, UC went 2-9 under head coach Rick Minter on the heels of an 8-4 season in 1997 and an appearance in the inaugural Humanitarian Bowl in Boise, Idaho, that was made possible only because then-athletic director Bob Goin promised that the UC basketball team would play a game at Boise State.

This has been a long time coming for those few folks who have been UC football fans through the many tough times this program has endured.

I’ve been doing this long enough to remember some of those tough times. I sat in the press box and watched the Bearcats absorb a 40-21 loss to Division I-AA Indiana State before about 5,000 fans in the spacious Hoosier Dome in Indianapolis. I saw them lose to No. 2 Miami, 56-0, in 1989. And of course there was the 81-0 loss at Penn State in 1991, just to name a few.

There were times when I wondered if those faculty members who wanted to abolish football were right, that maybe UC was wasting its time fighing a battle it could never win. I held to the belief that a school of UC's size should have a football team but I can’t say that I ever truly believed the program would reach this point.

I don’t know what will happen Saturday against Pitt, but just the fact that UC is playing in a game of this magnitude is a testament to how far the program has come.

Kelly says UC fans should get used to it.

“It’s where we want to go to each and every year,” Kelly said. “It’ll be exciting that we’re in this but we want this to be old hat. This is something that you can count on each year in November, that Cincinnati will be competing for a Big East championship.”

Cyclone792
11-17-2008, 05:36 PM
We're getting some national pub from the NYT:

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/17/sports/ncaafootball/17colleges.html?_r=1&ref=sports


The inherent nature of a campaign — be it a football or political one — is that it is prone to drastic swings of momentum.

Few know this better than Cincinnati Coach Brian Kelly, who improbably has the Bearcats on the cusp of the team’s first berth in a Bowl Championship Series game.

Before he started a career in football, Kelly, 46, dabbled in politics in the early 1980s. He worked on Gary Hart’s 1984 presidential campaign, organizing grassroots efforts in Boston. Kelly has fond memories of driving Hart around Boston in his 1980 Ford Escort, which he likes to joke had just three cylinders.

As much as he can, Kelly still keeps up with politics. And he is hoping that his Bearcats (8-2), who were picked fifth in the Big East in the preseason, can steal a few plays from Barack Obama’s campaign playbook.

“I thought it was textbook,” he said of Obama’s campaign. “One of the things I thought was impressive was that they learned from the Gore situation and used their money down the stretch like never before. They finished strong.”

A strong finishing kick for the Bearcats would mean victories against Pittsburgh and Syracuse to close the Big East season. Those games will be played at Cincinnati’s Nippert Stadium, and two victories would put the Bearcats in the rarefied air of one of the elite-level bowl games.

It would mean yet another championship for Kelly, who won a MAC title as the coach at Central Michigan and back-to-back Division II national titles at Grand Valley State.

But Kelly said that in the 18 years he has been a head coach he has never had to use more creativity than this season. An onslaught of injuries has forced the Bearcats to use five quarterbacks.

“You have to be able to sell the other 10 guys that this quarterback is going to get the job done for you,” he said. “Being the parent of an 11-, 8- and 7-year-old, I’ve been able to con a bunch of 18- to 22-year-olds this year.”

Somehow, the Bearcats have managed to lead the Big East in passing offense and passing efficiency, a testament to the reputation that Kelly has forged as a creative offensive mastermind. According to Cincinnati officials, only one other team, Eastern Michigan, has used five quarterbacks this season. It is 2-8.

Starting the season, Cincinnati’s Tony Pike was considered the Bearcats’ third option at quarterback. If last year’s starter, Ben Mauk, had been granted a sixth year of eligibility, Pike would have been fourth string. Now Kelly is calling Pike the league’s best quarterback.

Pike has thrown for 16 touchdowns, with just 5 interceptions, and has been perhaps most impressive with his improvisational ability. Pike is 6 feet 6 inches, and Kelly described him as a “backburner” recruit. He came from a local high school and flew under the radar because he was so skinny. He has filled out to 225 pounds and has proved to be a top-flight Big East quarterback.

“Now when the N.F.L. scouts come by our practices to look at other players, they’re asking about the 6-foot-6 quarterback,” Kelly said. “He’s starting to look like an N.F.L. prospect.”

But Kelly said that the unsung hero of the program has been Dustin Grutza, who came in during the fourth quarter against Louisville and led the Bearcats on a 72-yard touchdown drive that helped them earn a 28-20 victory. (Pike had left the game with a bruised sternum, Kelly said, and is expected to start against Pittsburgh on Saturday.)

Grutza broke his leg in Cincinnati’s loss at Oklahoma on Sept. 6 and has remained an integral part of the team throughout his rehabilitation.

“He’s really our inspiration,” Kelly said. “He comes in against Louisville and drives us 72 yards with four screws in his leg. He’s still only about 70 percent. Every team has that inspirational story, he’s that guy for us.”

But the real inspirational leader may be Kelly. John Widecan, an assistant athletic director for football operations who has worked with Cincinnati football for 20 years, said Kelly’s abilities as a leader have shone this season.

Widecan said the team believed in Kelly’s “next man in” philosophy, meaning that the team has as much faith in the backups as the starters.

“Coach Kelly is positive, and he gets us all to believe,” Widecan said.

That belief manifested with a raucous celebration at Louisville on Saturday night, as the Bearcats hosted a keg party of sorts. The two longtime rivals play for a trophy called the Keg of Nails, which Cincinnati had not won in so long — since 2002 — that Kelly and his players laughed at the out-of-date Bearcat logo on it.

That victory has helped Kelly become into one of the front-runners to replace Phillip Fulmer for the soon-to-be-vacant job at Tennessee.

Kelly knows that distractions can upend a campaign — be it football or political. And he said that he and his team are locked in on their finishing kick.

“When you’re winning and having success, your name is going to be thrown around,” he said. “I’m focused totally on our football team. We want to win a Big East championship.”

A strong finish would mean that Kelly and the Bearcats would have completed a historic campaign of their own.

dougdirt
11-17-2008, 07:21 PM
I bought my tickets earlier today. 35 bucks each for 3 of them plus the 8 dollar fee on all three. I was holding out trying to find better tickets but wasn't having much luck finding anything good for under $60, so I went ahead and got some in the corner of the endzone for $35. I have been slacking on going to games this year as opposed to last year for a few reasons, but there is no reason anyone shouldn't be at the game if they have the money and are a UC fan.

paintmered
11-17-2008, 07:38 PM
Saturday is a Ring of Red game so wear red.

Redlegs23
11-17-2008, 07:51 PM
$35 is pretty cheap people, especially since this is the biggest game in the history of UC football. Try going to a game up in Columbus for $35, it ain't gonna happen unless they're having a terrible year and they're playing Northwesteastern School of Computer Technology. Buy your tickets while you still can, the atmosphere Saturday night will totally be worth it. And I wouldn't worry too much about your seat location, Nippert is small enough that there's not really a bad seat in that place.

That being said day one of the longest week ever is almost over. Only four more of these to go, and tomorrow we get a basketball game to give us a slight distraction.

Cyclone792
11-17-2008, 09:43 PM
http://news.cincinnati.com/article/20081117/SPT0101/311170052/1060/NEWS0104


For a city that just slogged through an eighth straight losing Reds season and is still mired in the muck of another Bengals debacle, the University of Cincinnati football team’s quest for a BCS bowl berth is a breath of fresh air.

If the 19th-ranked Bearcats (8-2, 4-1 Big East) beat No. 20 Pittsburgh on Saturday at Nippert Stadium and follow that with a win over lowly Syracuse the following week, they will win the Big East championship and head to a BCS bowl game for the first time in the long, often tortuous history of the UC program.

It’s something that many fans never thought possible, but that UC coach Brian Kelly predicts will become the norm.

“It’s where we want to go to each and every year,” Kelly said.

The Bearcats have won three in a row, putting them a half-game ahead of Pitt and West Virginia, which stand at 3-1 in the Big East.

“It’s obvious that Cincinnati is the team to beat,” said Pitt coach Dave Wannstedt.

During the past two weeks the Bearcats have gone on the road to defeat West Virginia and Louisville, two teams they had not beaten since joining the Big East in 2005. Now they face a Pitt team that they have never beaten in seven previous tries.

“This is uncharted territory since the middle of the season,” Kelly said.

The Bearcats have arrived at a place that would have been hard to envision 10 years ago when they were toiling with moderate success in Conference USA.

In 1998, UC went 2-9 under head coach Rick Minter on the heels of an 8-4 season in 1997 and an appearance in the inaugural Humanitarian Bowl in Boise, Idaho.

That bowl game was made possible only because then-athletic director Bob Goin promised that the UC basketball team would play a game at Boise State.

Goin’s thinking was that a bowl game – any bowl game – for a program that had not played in one in 47 years might serve as the catalyst to lift the program to new heights. In fact, it was the first of seven bowl appearances in an 11-year span for UC.

But playing in the Humanitarian Bowl, Motor City Bowl or the International Bowl pales in comparison with the prestige that would come with a BCS bowl appearance.

If UC fans appear a little giddy over the prospect of playing in the Orange Bowl, they should be forgiven. This has been a long time coming.

When Florida coach Urban Meyer visited a UC practice last spring and told reporters that when he played at UC in 1984 the program was Division I in name only, some former players felt slighted.

But in many respects, Meyer was right. Back then, the Bearcats did not have a league affiliation. Their facilities were substandard. Their locker room was underneath the stadium, split into two rooms, neither of which was big enough to hold the entire team.

Crowds were small. Media coverage was sparse and television exposure was practically non-existent.

UC officials had a difficult time getting a handle on what they wanted the program to be. They tried playing a national schedule for large financial payouts, but more often than not those games resulted in lopsided defeats that did nothing to excite fans in Cincinnati.

There were plenty of dark days: A 40-21 loss to Division I-AA Indiana State before about 5,000 fans in the spacious Hoosier Dome in Indianapolis; a 56-0 loss at No. 2 Miami in 1989; an 81-0 loss at Penn State in 1991.

Back then, it appeared that football would never gain traction at UC.

Tim Murphy turned the program in the right direction when he took over for Dave Currey in 1989 with the program on NCAA probation and rebuilt it to produce an 8-3 season in 1993 before leaving for Harvard.

But that 8-3 season did not get the Bearcats into a bowl game.

The situation improved when UC helped form Conference USA in 1996, giving the Bearcats automatic tie-ins to minor bowl games.

Eventually they reached a level of respectability under Minter that prompted the Big East to offer them membership after Miami, Virginia Tech and Boston College left for the Atlantic Coast Conference.

Now UC is on the verge of accomplishing what once was considered all but impossible at a school where officials once had to fight off faculty cries for the abolition of football.

“It’ll be exciting that we’re in this but we want this to be old hat,” Kelly said. “This is something that you can count on each year in November, that Cincinnati will be competing for a Big East championship.”

OSUredsFAN
11-17-2008, 10:37 PM
I really can't believe the isn't sold out yet. I'm not a UC fan but I would love to go if only I didn't live in Chicago and it wasn't OSU-scUM gameday!!

paintmered
11-17-2008, 10:40 PM
I really can't believe the isn't sold out yet. I'm not a UC fan but I would love to go if only I didn't live in Chicago and it wasn't OSU-scUM gameday!!

The tickets remaining are primarily from the allotment returned from Pitt. Assuming this city gets their act together (big assumption), the game will sell out.

It's very frustrating to see twice the capacity of Nippert flock to the river to watch a team play a game of no consequence week-in and week-out when we're barely going to sell out the most important game in program history.

I'm actually curious to know how many people in the greater Cincinnati area are aware of this game.

dougdirt
11-17-2008, 10:54 PM
paintmered, the game will sell out. The thing I worry about though is that we win the BE this year, but lose a lot of key players to graduation and the draft and aren't as good as last year and a lot of people jump ship.

NorrisHopper30
11-17-2008, 11:10 PM
The game will sell-out, no doubt in my mind.

OSUredsFAN
11-18-2008, 12:26 AM
The tickets remaining are primarily from the allotment returned from Pitt. Assuming this city gets their act together (big assumption), the game will sell out.

It's very frustrating to see twice the capacity of Nippert flock to the river to watch a team play a game of no consequence week-in and week-out when we're barely going to sell out the most important game in program history.

I'm actually curious to know how many people in the greater Cincinnati area are aware of this game.

I never said the game won't sell out. I just can't believe that it isn't already. I also find it hard that PITT had 3-4,000 tickets, yet returned that many.

paintmered
11-18-2008, 07:07 AM
I never said the game won't sell out. I just can't believe that it isn't already. I also find it hard that PITT had 3-4,000 tickets, yet returned that many.

I think WVU used all of their allotment last year, but that's the only time I can remember visiting tickets not being returned since UC joined the Big East.

camisadelgolf
11-18-2008, 07:34 AM
The game will sell out. There should be a huge walk-up crowd.

GoReds33
11-18-2008, 07:36 AM
I emailed Bill Koch, and he said that they expect a sellout by Wednsday.

Heath
11-18-2008, 09:27 AM
paintmered, the game will sell out. The thing I worry about though is that we win the BE this year, but lose a lot of key players to graduation and the draft and aren't as good as last year and a lot of people jump ship.

Well, if you keep showing progress, you're only going to re-load instead of re-build.

Congrats to the Bearcats. It's a good thing for the city and university.

bucksfan2
11-18-2008, 09:38 AM
I don't want to be a downer but I think this thread brings to light why the BCS wants no part of UC. As an OSU grad but a life long UC fan its interesting to see UC's ticket struggles. A game of this magnitude should have been sold out this weekend. If you think about it this IS UC's biggest game every with one of its best teams ever. This game is the biggest hurdle in order to get a $10M post New Years payday.

IMO if UC could add and sustain a crowd of 55000/game they could build a very competitive program. If they are unable to do so they will become similar to XU basketball with their head coaches.

Redlegs23
11-18-2008, 10:13 AM
bucksfan, I agree with you in some respects, but UC football has come a long, long ways in two short years. Average attendance used to be roughly 10,000 for games, and now it's about 32,000. It's tripled in two years, and if they strike it big this year I expect that to continue to grow and they would be forced to expand Nippert (which only holds 35,000). Season ticket sales have grown tremendously the last two years as well. Cincinnati is a fickle town and full of bandwagon fans, and sadly I think UC fans are the worst when it comes to this. There's a loyal fanbase that will go to games no matter what, but that portion is fairly small. The remaining fans will only come out if they have a winner to support, as I'm sure you already know.

Another thing to consider is the influence of other colleges and professional teams in the area. OSU has an incredibly large fanbase that pulls in people from the entire state of Ohio and even further, and Ohio State doesn't have much competition for fans in the Columbus area. Cincinnati has fans in Cincinnati only, and even then you have a couple professional franchises that pull fans away, as well as other colleges nearby such as Xavier, Louisville, UK, Miami, and OSU, who all have a fanbase presence in the city. Cincinnati football is improving and with that gaining fans, and I hope that someday they can get to a loyal 55,000 fanbase like you say.

dougdirt
11-18-2008, 01:28 PM
Well, if you keep showing progress, you're only going to re-load instead of re-build.

Congrats to the Bearcats. It's a good thing for the city and university.

Yeah, but you generally are going to have to win for a few years before you can start doing that. This team is going to lose a whole lot to graduation/NFL for next season. I think the coaching staff is fine and will do a good job, I just don't know that they will have the same type of talent+experience next year.

OnBaseMachine
11-18-2008, 01:34 PM
I'll be rooting for Cincy. I follow USC the closest but I follow quite a few college football teams and Cincy is becoming one of those. I just hope Brian Kelly stays there for a long time because I think he's capable of turning UC into a national contender.

Heath
11-18-2008, 01:46 PM
I remember going to a couple of UC games where there were 55,000 fans.

They played Kentucky at Riverfront Stadium.

Caveat Emperor
11-18-2008, 02:17 PM
I don't want to be a downer but I think this thread brings to light why the BCS wants no part of UC. As an OSU grad but a life long UC fan its interesting to see UC's ticket struggles. A game of this magnitude should have been sold out this weekend. If you think about it this IS UC's biggest game every with one of its best teams ever. This game is the biggest hurdle in order to get a $10M post New Years payday.

IMO if UC could add and sustain a crowd of 55000/game they could build a very competitive program. If they are unable to do so they will become similar to XU basketball with their head coaches.

Paint made a really good point about it in another thread -- the football team has been so bad for so long that there were generations of UC alums who went to school and graduated never seeing the inside of Nippert Stadium. They're much more difficult to engage as alums because they don't have that tradition of football attendence to draw on.

The students now -- who are buying tickets at face value because they couldn't get student seats -- are the ones who the university can build a season ticket base on when they graduated. They'll be the kids who graduate and want to come back to relive the excitement of seasons like this that they had when they were students. You get a few years of kids like this, and suddenly your season ticket base swells by 4 or 5 thousand. Demand for tickets goes up, walk-up sales decrease (because games sell out in advance) and people like me end up having to buy season tickets because waiting around is no longer an option.

It's a cascade effect that is going to begin very soon, IMO.

bucksfan2
11-18-2008, 02:43 PM
Paint made a really good point about it in another thread -- the football team has been so bad for so long that there were generations of UC alums who went to school and graduated never seeing the inside of Nippert Stadium. They're much more difficult to engage as alums because they don't have that tradition of football attendence to draw on.

The students now -- who are buying tickets at face value because they couldn't get student seats -- are the ones who the university can build a season ticket base on when they graduated. They'll be the kids who graduate and want to come back to relive the excitement of seasons like this that they had when they were students. You get a few years of kids like this, and suddenly your season ticket base swells by 4 or 5 thousand. Demand for tickets goes up, walk-up sales decrease (because games sell out in advance) and people like me end up having to buy season tickets because waiting around is no longer an option.

It's a cascade effect that is going to begin very soon, IMO.

I agree with what you are saying I guess I am questioning whether UC can sustain a large season ticket base. I think you are correct in that the student population needs to be identified and targeted. UC is the 2nd largest (I think) college in Ohio and should have enough students to maintain a good crowd.

The key for a successful UC football program is to be able to add onto Nippert and average in the 50000's per game. Nothing is more disheartening than to see UC get a big home game (OSU in the past, OU next season) and take the game away from a college atmosphere and move it to PBS. Playing at a 50000 Nippert would be a much more difficult task than playing in from of 50000 at PBS.

paintmered
11-18-2008, 04:17 PM
The key for a successful UC football program is to be able to add onto Nippert and average in the 50000's per game. Nothing is more disheartening than to see UC get a big home game (OSU in the past, OU next season) and take the game away from a college atmosphere and move it to PBS. Playing at a 50000 Nippert would be a much more difficult task than playing in from of 50000 at PBS.

There's been a few studies on expanding Nippert and a capacity of 50,000 is rather impossible due its location on campus. Nippert is very unique in that it sits in the very middle of campus and is land-locked on every side by other buildings. The latest study into expansion had a capacity of ~40,000 with pro-style luxury suites. To expand further would require demolition of either a very new building or a very historic one.

When I find them, I'll post pictures of the architectural study.

Most of the UC fans on the forums are opposed to playing at PBS because the atmosphere of the games there wouldn't come close to replicating Nippert. However, I think the Oklahoma game is to be played at PBS.

Cyclone792
11-18-2008, 06:42 PM
http://myespn.go.com/blogs/bigeast/0-2-114/Cincinnati-ready-for-biggest-game-in-its-history.html


CINCINNATI -- We hear all the time about this or that contest being a "big game" for some college football team. But it's not too often that a team can definitively say the next date on the schedule is the biggest game in the history of its program.

That's what Cincinnati has on the docket this week. There's really no precedent for what the 19th-ranked Bearcats can accomplish this weekend. If they beat No. 20 Pittsburgh on Saturday, they will be the Big East champions unless they somehow stub their toe at home against Syracuse the following week. The school had some nice teams in the 1950s under Sid Gillman, but winning the Mid-American Conference doesn't really compare to going to a BCS game.

"It's definitely the biggest game in UC history," senior defensive end Connor Barwin said. "I don't see how you could say it isn't.

"Everybody's jumped on the bandwagon and people are excited around campus. Nippert Stadium is going to be as exciting as it's ever been. I'm pumped to see what it's going to be like. The Bengals haven't been doing so good this year, so we've even got some Bengals fans behind us now."

Cincinnati (8-2, 4-1 Big East) is entering what Brian Kelly called "unchartered territory." But the coach says this should be just the beginning for the Bearcats.

"There's no reason why this shouldn't be the largest crowd in the history of Nippert Stadium -- right now," he said. "We don't want this to be the end of where we are, relative to attendance. We see this thing growing as we continue to do this, as the stadium increases and the fan size increases. This is just the start. We want to see how high we can go."

Kelly said he wants Cincinnati fans to come to view this as "old hat," that the team will be competing for conference championships late in November from here on out. First, though, it must take care of business, and remember to treat this as a normal game.

The Bearcats are coming off three straight emotional victories. First they beat South Florida at home on a Thursday night ESPN game. Then they went to West Virginia and held on in overtime to beat the Mountaineers for the first time in league play. Last week, they withstood some sloppy weather conditions and a second-half deficit in Louisville to snap a five-game losing streak in the Keg of Nails rivalry.

Now comes Pittsburgh, which has never lost to Cincinnati in seven tries, including three Big East contests. The Panthers had last week off to rest and prepare, while the Bearcats have been through the meat grinder, playing five of their last seven games away from home. Kelly said his team was a little "road-weary" at Louisville last week. But he expects them to have plenty left in the tank for this game, and he's talked to them about staying on an even keel.

"We're keeping poised and not trying to be as rushed up," wide receiver Dominick Goodman said. "We're eager to play but we want to stay focused until gametime comes and then let all our emotions out."

Kelly sure seemed loose on Tuesday. He came to his news conference wearing a brand new, XXL red fleece pullover, piggybacking off Cincinnati's request that all fans wear red at Nippert this weekend. He promised the pullover to whichever reporter asked the best questions, then took it off and handed it over to Cincinnati Enquirer beat reporter Bill Koch midway through the session.

This is a team that's confident in itself, believes it can achieve things Cincinnati has never done before. That comes from senior leadership and Kelly's self-assured manner.

"Last year, we thought there was one team that was more talented than us, and that was West Virginia," Kelly said. "The only way we were going to catch them is if we got stronger physically in the offseason, and I thought our kids did a great job closing that gap.

"I think, in the Big East, our kids can go out now and feel comfortable that they can compete against anybody."

Their next competition will be the biggest game in the history of the program. Win that, and even bigger things will come.

"Everybody's just so happy that we're at this stage," Goodman said. "People wouldn't think the Cincinnati Bearcats would be on this rise, but it's happening."

Cyclone792
11-18-2008, 06:44 PM
http://gobearcats.cstv.com/sports/blog/spec-rel/111808aaa.html


Nov. 18, 2008



(1:45 p.m.): Last season, UC screwed up. The Bearcats underestimated Pittsburgh going into the game at Heinz Field, and by the time they tried to right themselves, the chance to win was gone.

Maybe underestimated isn’t exactly the right phrase. Let’s say the team’s collective mind wasn’t in the right place. Just ask Anthony Hoke and Angelo Craig – who, by BK’s decree, were punished for a team rules violation and didn’t play until midway through the second quarter. Just ask Connor Barwin about his memories from last season.

“I don’t remember much about the week of practice; I just remember going into that game, and we were all feeling good about ourselves,” Barwin said. “They were at the bottom of the Big East. We just got a little bit sloppy as far as gameday preparation went and our focus. Before we knew it, we found ourselves in a tight game and we weren’t ready.”

What should have been a victory against a Panthers team that was riding a four-game losing streak at the time was a debacle of a loss that kept UC from competing for the conference crown. Although the Bearcats went into halftime with a 17-10 lead – Jake Rogers missed a chance to make it a 10-point advantage by missing a 26-yard field goal as time expired – they gained 102 yards of total offense in the final two periods and fell 24-17.

“When you win games, you win them during the week with film study and focus,” Barwin said. “If you slack around that week, it’s hard to turn it on. It’s hard to flip a switch and say, ‘OK, let’s start making plays.’ Before you know it, they have momentum. They’re feeling good about themselves. Maybe they’re playing better. It’s hard to come back and win a game like that.”

I imagine a lack of focus won’t be a problem this season. There’s that whole BCS bid thing to consider.

“It was the first time we had not played to the level and coached to the level we were capable of,” BK said. “That was coaches and players really screwing that game up. We learned from it. We bounced back, just like we bounced back from the UConn game. Last year, it was a game we let slip away. We kind of were not focused the way we needed to be. That’s what I was most upset about.”

-----

We welcomed Dominick Goodman (along with Barwin, obviously) into a crowded news conference room, and we asked him about being one TD catch away from setting the new school career record. Right now, he’s tied with Jim O’Brien with 21. But you’d think he’d get at least one more in the final four games of the year (including the bowl game).

I also asked him if he felt like he was one of the best receivers ever to come through UC.

“I don’t feel like that,” Goodman said. “There are a lot of great receivers going through. Growing up as a little kid, I saw them. People can say I’m one of them, but there are people that started this that were here before me.”

-----

Sounds like Tony Pike and Corey Smith should play this week (and dammit, I just realized I forgot to ask about Andre Revels).

BK on Pike: “He’s got Grutza nipping at his heels. He feels a lot better today. It’s amazing how that stuff happens. It’s a great elixir.”

I’m pretty sure that’s the first time I’ve ever heard a football coach use the word ‘elixir.’ Great word, by the way.

-----

On Smith: “We thought he had an injury where it was going to be a questionable gametime situation. But he’s looked really good the last couple days. We think he’s going to be fine for Saturday.”

Somebody asked if anybody had responded to his “’I’m going to be pissed’” if UC doesn’t sell out this game” comment. Yep, BK confirmed.

“My boss disciplined me severely,” BK said. “Probably the strongest discipline I’ve faced since I’ve been here for my comment. My wife was really upset at my language because my 7-year-old heard me say that. My boss is my wife. She was not happy with me, using that language.”

Get it? His wife is his boss. See? Yeah, it went over a little flat in the news conference as well. Oh well, big props for trying.

Cyclone792
11-18-2008, 10:37 PM
Weather update for Saturday night:

High of 42
Low of 24
Partly cloudy
10 percent chance of precip.

My guess is temps will have dropped down to the mid 30s by gametime and may be down to 30 degrees or even colder by the end of the game. The good news is it will be dry. Bundle up with layers and make sure that outer layer is red UC gear.

paintmered
11-18-2008, 10:56 PM
After playing around with the ticket office website...

It looks like the pavilion is sold out, which is really good news. The best available put me in row 28 of section 126. These are from the tickets Pitt returned.

By my estimation, there's no more than 1,000 tickets left. They'll be gone by tomorrow. Kelly won't get his 500,000. Maybe he'll settle for 35,097 instead.

will5979
11-18-2008, 11:22 PM
As much as I despise to utter these horrible horrible words I will be rooting for Pitt against UC. That way if WVU wins their next 3 they win the Big East outright. No disrespect to UC but WVU needs to win to BE outright this year, plus the conference needs WVU to win. They are the flagship of the conference and they need to win it and go to the BCS just to give Rich Rod and Dave Wandstedt a big FU.

Granted WVU screwed the pooch against Pitt last year but I don't really believe that Wandstedt understood what it would have meant to have a BE representative in the National Championship game, win or lose it would have be so great for the conference. The 80s porn star wannabe doesn't deserve to be in a BCS game this year!

dougdirt
11-18-2008, 11:26 PM
Wow, tell us how you really feel....

Boston Red
11-18-2008, 11:36 PM
Yeah, Wannstedt should have thrown the game for the good of the conference. Right. Maybe WV just shouldn't have choked it away.

paintmered
11-18-2008, 11:54 PM
For all the talk about how WVU never loses at home on a Saturday night....

dougdirt
11-19-2008, 12:00 AM
By the way, isn't it good for the conference to put their best team into the BCS, thus lessening the chances of a loss?

camisadelgolf
11-19-2008, 07:37 AM
After playing around with the ticket office website...

It looks like the pavilion is sold out, which is really good news. The best available put me in row 28 of section 126. These are from the tickets Pitt returned.

By my estimation, there's no more than 1,000 tickets left. They'll be gone by tomorrow. Kelly won't get his 500,000. Maybe he'll settle for 35,097 instead.

That's a pretty big drop-off.

paintmered
11-19-2008, 08:09 AM
That's a pretty big drop-off.

It's a reference to Kelly wanting 500,000 in the stands for Saturday. To keep out of trouble with the fire marshal, UC never announces attendance greater than 35,097.

bucksfan2
11-19-2008, 08:18 AM
As much as I despise to utter these horrible horrible words I will be rooting for Pitt against UC. That way if WVU wins their next 3 they win the Big East outright. No disrespect to UC but WVU needs to win to BE outright this year, plus the conference needs WVU to win. They are the flagship of the conference and they need to win it and go to the BCS just to give Rich Rod and Dave Wandstedt a big FU.

Granted WVU screwed the pooch against Pitt last year but I don't really believe that Wandstedt understood what it would have meant to have a BE representative in the National Championship game, win or lose it would have be so great for the conference. The 80s porn star wannabe doesn't deserve to be in a BCS game this year!

I have a feeling that any Big East team will be over matched in a BCS game unless they play the ACC. IMO UC may stand as good of a chance as any team of winning in a BCS game. WVU had their chances but they lost at home.

Cyclone792
11-19-2008, 10:01 AM
No disrespect to UC but WVU needs to win to BE outright this year, plus the conference needs WVU to win.

Actually what the conference needs is for as many BE schools as possible to build up solid, sustainable football programs. WVU has been an excellent football program recently, but they're going to have some down years, such as this year. An all-around solid conference has several programs that can carry the conference year in and year out. Having merely one team roll over everyone else isn't good for anybody in the conference and won't do much to improve the bowl tie-ins.

Cyclone792
11-19-2008, 10:47 AM
After playing around with the ticket office website...

It looks like the pavilion is sold out, which is really good news. The best available put me in row 28 of section 126. These are from the tickets Pitt returned.

By my estimation, there's no more than 1,000 tickets left. They'll be gone by tomorrow. Kelly won't get his 500,000. Maybe he'll settle for 35,097 instead.

The Enquirer has a blurb that the game was just about sold out as of yesterday until Pitt returned 1,700 tickets out of their allotment of 3,000. It looks like anybody still looking for tickets has one last chance to grab one of those 1,700 that Pitt returned.

OnBaseMachine
11-19-2008, 01:28 PM
I have a feeling that any Big East team will be over matched in a BCS game unless they play the ACC. IMO UC may stand as good of a chance as any team of winning in a BCS game. WVU had their chances but they lost at home.

It seems like people say that every year and then West Virginia goes out and beats Georgia in their own backyard in the 2005 Sugar Bowl and then whooped Oklahoma in the Fiesta Bowl last year. I'm not sure if Cincy has the team speed that WVU had in those years but I still think Cincy could play with nearly anyone on a neutral site.

bucksfan2
11-19-2008, 01:54 PM
It seems like people say that every year and then West Virginia goes out and beats Georgia in their own backyard in the 2005 Sugar Bowl and then whooped Oklahoma in the Fiesta Bowl last year. I'm not sure if Cincy has the team speed that WVU had in those years but I still think Cincy could play with nearly anyone on a neutral site.

Oklahoma says hi!

I want UC to be successful but when they played OU earlier this year they proved that OU was in a completely different league than UC. IMO UC would stand a chance against the ACC champ and a potential non-BCS team. There was one scenario in which UC would play Florida which would have disaster written all over it.

Boston Red
11-19-2008, 02:00 PM
Big East and ACC will likely get paired up in the Orange Bowl. UC would likely be favored/pick 'em against any ACC team in Miami other than the Canes.

DoogMinAmo
11-19-2008, 02:16 PM
IMHO, there is a big difference between the top of the Big 12 and Sec, and all other conferences. Not to take anything away from USC or the Big 10 (PSO or OSU), but no one is in the same league as the big 3 of the Big 12 South or Florida/Bama. (Although Bama seems the lone anamoly there mostly for their defense rather than a ridiculous offense) I feel confident in UC's ability to hang with any team in the nation beyond those 5. Heck, UC was hanging with Oklahoma at Oklahoma for nearly 3 quarters before Grutza went down and Pike got abused. At this point in the season the offense is gelling, and the defense has found its identity, UC is an even better team now.

All this is moot if they can not beat Pitt (and they should).

OnBaseMachine
11-19-2008, 02:40 PM
Oklahoma says hi!

I want UC to be successful but when they played OU earlier this year they proved that OU was in a completely different league than UC. IMO UC would stand a chance against the ACC champ and a potential non-BCS team. There was one scenario in which UC would play Florida which would have disaster written all over it.

That game was on the road. Would it have been such a blowout at a neutral site? I think UC would have to play a near perfect game (+ 3 in turnovers) to beat an Oklahoma but it could happen, IMO.

will5979
11-19-2008, 02:57 PM
Yeah, Wannstedt should have thrown the game for the good of the conference. Right. Maybe WV just shouldn't have choked it away.

WVU did blow it, big time! Screwed the pooch is more like it but anyway when you think about what the Big East has been through this decade and the BCS questioning the credibility of the conference shouldn't Wanstadt have taken the best interests of the conference into consideration? Think of the money/attention the Big East would have received. Would have been huge for Pitt, Cincy, everyone in the conference, not just the Eers.

dougdirt
11-19-2008, 03:08 PM
Oklahoma says hi!

I want UC to be successful but when they played OU earlier this year they proved that OU was in a completely different league than UC. IMO UC would stand a chance against the ACC champ and a potential non-BCS team. There was one scenario in which UC would play Florida which would have disaster written all over it.

UC in week 2 and UC in week 11 are two different teams. UC also lost its starting QB in that game. Are they better than Oklahoma? No. Are they 26 points worse than Oklahoma? Absolutely not.


UC could win against the B10 or P10 (especially if its Oregon State). If they play the ACC champ, they will win unless something crazy happens.

GoReds33
11-19-2008, 05:10 PM
ESPNews is now reporting that BK is the leading candidate for the UT job. Thanks ESPN. That's just the thing we need right now, a distraction.

Redlegs23
11-19-2008, 05:43 PM
WVU did blow it, big time! Screwed the pooch is more like it but anyway when you think about what the Big East has been through this decade and the BCS questioning the credibility of the conference shouldn't Wanstadt have taken the best interests of the conference into consideration? Think of the money/attention the Big East would have received. Would have been huge for Pitt, Cincy, everyone in the conference, not just the Eers.


Wannstedt was having a bad year and Pitt fans were frustrated, and he was probably starting to feel the heat and worry about his job. But instead of trying to get a huge win for his program and save his job you think he should have thrown the game so that the Big East looks better and WVU fans are happy. You're crazy man.

Redlegs23
11-19-2008, 05:45 PM
Oklahoma says hi!

I want UC to be successful but when they played OU earlier this year they proved that OU was in a completely different league than UC. IMO UC would stand a chance against the ACC champ and a potential non-BCS team. There was one scenario in which UC would play Florida which would have disaster written all over it.

He said nuetral site. Norman, Oklahoma is one of the toughest places in the country to play, if not the toughest. Far cry from nuetral. I think Oklahoma still wins the game, but I think it's a little closer than it was.

Cyclone792
11-19-2008, 06:02 PM
Some good news and some bad news ...

The good news is Nippert is nearly sold out as there are only a few hundred tickets remaining. Pittsburgh returned 1,700 tickets earlier today from their allotment and the only tickets that remain are a few hundred from that batch. All student tickets, student guest tickets and student overflow tickets are long gone. If the few remaining tickets aren't gone by tonight, they'll be gone tomorrow.

The bad news pertains to possible bowl destinations should a Big East Championship fail to materialize. Thanks to the mediocrity known as Notre Dame, it looks like the biggest bowl game available for a second place Big East team is the Car Care Bowl in Charlotte. The Big East has a marginal tie-in to the Gator Bowl and Sun Bowl, but both are looking heavily at Notre Dame. The Gator Bowl seems to be deciding between a pair of Big 12 schools or Notre Dame, and if the Gator Bowl passes on ND, then the Sun Bowl will scoop them up. The Sun Bowl has already stated that they'll take a 6-6 Notre Dame squad (ND would have to lose to Syracuse for that to happen). If the Gator Bowl selects ND, then it's likely the Sun Bowl will select a Big 12 team.

Any way you look at it, though, it looks like it's BCS followed by a massive dropoff to Charlotte at the Car Care Bowl for the Big East this year. While Charlotte is much better than the Pizza Bowl we were stuck with last year, it'd still be a disappointing consolation prize for the squad that comes up short at Nippert on Saturday night.

paintmered
11-19-2008, 06:10 PM
Jason, the picture could get even worse. The Car Care Bowl (and the rest of the BE tie-ins) isn't required to take the highest remaining finisher. Rather, they can choose any remaining bowl eligible team they want. There's nothing to keep them from picking WVU over UC even if UC finishes higher. There's a real possibility that UC could finish second in the conference and end up with the 3rd or 4th bowl game slot.

Cyclone792
11-19-2008, 06:20 PM
Yep, you're definitely right, paint. The clearer the picture gets, the bigger this game Saturday night becomes. UC took 10k down to the dungeon known as Birmingham last year. They've got a BCS shot this year. The fans are responding, they're ready for the next, big step. A win takes that big step. If UC took 10k to the Pizza Bowl, they'd take a truckload to Miami (and I'd probably be on that truck).

But heading to Toronto, St. Pete, or back to the Pizza Bowl would be deflating and depressing.

BearcatShane
11-20-2008, 02:23 PM
Well, lets just win then.

bucksfan2
11-20-2008, 02:39 PM
He said nuetral site. Norman, Oklahoma is one of the toughest places in the country to play, if not the toughest. Far cry from nuetral. I think Oklahoma still wins the game, but I think it's a little closer than it was.

Fair enough but the problem with UC is that no matter where they go it won't be a neutral field. They just have a strong enough following. If they make the BCS anybody outside of the ACC champ and a non-BCS school will have a major crowd advantage. Could you imagine playing Florida or Alabama in Miami? Or USC out in Tempe?

GoReds33
11-20-2008, 04:45 PM
Less than 200 tickets now, according to the catstix website. I can't wait!

paintmered
11-20-2008, 05:15 PM
The game is now sold out. Tickets remain on Stub Hub, Craig's List and Ebay.

paintmered
11-20-2008, 05:27 PM
If you are going to the game, PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE give yourself plenty of time and get to campus early. With a noon basketball game, major performance at CCM and a big recruiting weekend, traffic is going to be a nightmare.

Also, I second the suggestion to use the Eden garage on east campus and take the shuttle (within walking distance as well). It's a massive garage and you'll fight a little less traffic along the way.


CINCINNATI - The University of Cincinnati will host four major events on Saturday, November 22 involving football and basketball games, Admissions, and the College Conservatory of Music. To avoid major traffic delays and arrive in plenty of time to enjoy pregame festivities, following are helpful parking guidelines:

UC Athletics Parking Passes will not be collected for either the football or basketball game on Nov. 22 (ONLY on Nov. 22) and must be displayed while parked.

Basketball parking passholders must vacate pass-designated lots/garages no later than 3:00 p.m.

Vehicles not displaying a Game 5 football parking pass or valid keycard in designated facilities will be cited and subject to tow.

Handicap parking at the CCM Garage for football will be limited. Handicap parking overflow will be redirected to Varsity Village and, if necessary, to University Avenue Garages.

Garages open three (3) hours prior to kickoff/designated tailgate lots four (4) hours.

Cash parking is available day of game at the Eden Avenue Garage for typical passenger vehicles at a cost of $8.

RV and oversized vehicle parking is available in designated surface lots adjacent to the Eden Avenue Garage at a cost of $16.

Free shuttle bus service from the Eden Garage to the west campus stadium area will begin at 3:00 pm. A wheelchair lift-equipped shuttle will be available as well

Alcohol, grilling, or tailgate activity of any kind is not allowed in or on the open area decks of UC parking garages

Stadium guidelines are provided in the 2008 UC Football Fan Guide.

Cyclone792
11-20-2008, 05:34 PM
If you are going to the game, PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE give yourself plenty of time and get to campus early. With a noon basketball game, major performance at CCM and a big recruiting weekend, traffic is going to be a nightmare.

Yep, I very much second this recommendation, ESPECIALLY if someone is not all that familiar with Clifton or UC's campus. I went to the South Florida game on October 30th - a game that drew circa 31k - and traffic was absolutely horrendous in the hour before the game. If someone is planning on driving down there at 6:45 and walking in the gate, then they'll most likely end up missing much of the first quarter.

NatiRedGals
11-20-2008, 07:21 PM
I am coming from the Fairfield area and even though i have been to games before i am going with someone who dose not go often. I am wondering anyone have the address to the eden garage so i can get directions?

paintmered
11-20-2008, 07:39 PM
I am coming from the Fairfield area and even though i have been to games before i am going with someone who dose not go often. I am wondering anyone have the address to the eden garage so i can get directions?

Try this: http://healthnews.uc.edu/directions/

NatiRedGals
11-20-2008, 08:04 PM
Try this: http://healthnews.uc.edu/directions/

Thanks !!:beerme:

Cyclone792
11-21-2008, 09:02 AM
Weather update: it'll be dry but cold. Looks like a gametime temp of 30 degrees with temps falling into the low to mid 20s by the time the game ends.

Wear layers, wear red, be LOUD and plan to lose your voice.

Cyclone792
11-21-2008, 09:04 AM
Katzowitz on Barwin:

http://gobearcats.cstv.com/sports/blog/spec-rel/112008aaa.html


Connor Barwin sat on a bench on the Nippert Stadium turf after football practice a few weeks ago and leaned back. He looked comfortable, and he wasn’t eager to leave anytime soon. Just sit there in his sweaty pads and talk the dusk away.

He was reflecting on his former basketball career and how much he’d love to play in the NFL next season. He thought back to Andy Kennedy, and he talked about how accomplished he felt to play two sports at the Division I level at a BCS school.

A few years back, he probably wouldn’t have thought about what his football future held. He wasn’t going to be sitting here on a bench talking about his prospects. Instead, he was going to play on the hardwood.

“I thought I was going to be a basketball player in high school,” said Barwin, who attended the University of Detroit Jesuit High School. “That didn’t work out. But the summer before my senior year, my football coach said I could definitely play college football. I put basketball aside, and I took football serious.”

Good thing for Barwin he made the switch. After his first four games as a senior high school player, a number of Mid-American Conference schools had offered him scholarships. Considering he hadn’t played as a sophomore because of a broken collarbone and had been suspended for half the year his junior season – mostly because he had accepted a car ride during a walk-a-thon fundraiser – this was a revelation to Barwin.

But he wanted more than to play for a mid-major program. He wanted the big-time.

“A lot of the bigger schools get their offers out when you’re a junior, so they were already done recruiting. That’s what I like to think anyway,” said Barwin with his typical good humor. “Coach (Mark) Dantonio saw my tape, and two days after he saw it, they called and offered me a scholarship. It was the biggest school I could go to, and I always thought I would go to the biggest school I could.”

His basketball career, though, was finished. Or so he thought. He was a football player now.

But after former basketball coach Bob Huggins was dismissed and with interim coach Andy Kennedy desperate to fill out his roster, Barwin was invited to join the Bearcats basketball team.

He happily accepted, and in his first season as a reserve forward, he averaged nearly 10 minutes per game. His highlight of the year might have occurred when the Bearcats faced Pitt, and Barwin scored a career-high six points while recording a pair of rebounds and a blocked shot in 19 minutes of action.

For Barwin, it was an unreal experience.

“It probably never would have happened if Huggins hadn’t gotten fired and Armein Kirkland hadn’t gotten hurt,” Barwin said. “It was a huge blessing and opportunity.”

After UC hired Mick Cronin to run the basketball program, Barwin remained on the roster. As desperate as Kennedy was to have an extra body, it was imperative Cronin take anybody he could get. So, Barwin stayed on for another season and he averaged 1.2 points and 1.4 rebounds per game.

How important was Barwin? In the last eight games of that season, he averaged 15.7 minutes per contest.

“I am so happy I did it,” Barwin said. “It was probably one of the coolest things I had done in college. I know it probably wouldn’t have happened if I went anywhere else. It was a huge blessing and a lot of luck.”

Well, maybe not as much luck as he thinks. Before Kennedy and his coaching staff departed the basketball office to move on with the next phase of their respective careers, assistant Frank Martin – now the head coach at Kansas State – told Barwin that he, in fact, could have played for Huggins. That Huggins would have really liked to have him on the team.

“I thought I could play at this level,” Barwin said. “If I didn’t play college football, I could have played basketball at this level and been a solid walk-on if I would have dedicated everything to it. But I would have been what I was – an energy guy for 5-10 minutes a game.”

Better, then, he stick to football, a sport in which he could make big money next year playing in the NFL.

Last year, Barwin was a part of the tight end rotation, but he wasn’t a standout. He was solid, recording 31 catches for 399 yards and two touchdowns, but with other tight ends in the mix this season – including Kazeem Alli, Ben Guidugli and Adrien Robinson – coach Brian Kelly had other plans for him.

Instead of using his athleticism for a position where blocking receives more of the focus, Kelly wanted to move Barwin to the other side of the ball and let him roam free. Considering the Bearcats were losing defensive ends Angelo Craig and Anthony Hoke to graduation, Kelly needed a fast player with loads of stamina to replace them while trying to hunt down the opposing quarterback.

In spring ball, when Barwin was trying to acclimate to his new position, offensive lineman Khalil El-Amin could see the positive results of the switch.

“Connor Barwin is an outstanding athlete,” El-Amin said last April. “If you put that guy anywhere on the field, he can play that position. He’s big, strong and fast. He has a motor. He just doesn’t stop. A lot of guys, you wear on them throughout practice and games. Connor is going to be that guy who has the same amount of energy that he had in the first quarter.”

He’s put that energy to good use so far this season.

In one of the more impressive plays in a season full of them, Barwin found himself in a foot race with West Virginia quarterback Pat White during the Nov. 8 contest in Morgantown. It was a former tight end vs. a signal-caller that might be the most-feared player in the Big East because of his ability to make plays with his feet.

As White attempted to cut to the outside, turn a corner and blow past the UC defense, Barwin chased him down early in the fourth quarter of the Bearcats 26-23 overtime victory. Officials penalized Barwin for tackling White with an illegal horsecollar, but that didn’t diminish the impressiveness of the play.

“His motor is unbelievable,” Kelly said. “He chased down Pat White. That’s a hard guy to chase down. There’s not a lot of people in the country that can chase him down. His stock is going through the roof in terms of what he can do for us. I know there are a lot of NFL people that wished he wasn’t playing so well right now.”

When Kelly grades out his players, he assigns them each a number between 1-4. If you’re a 1, you’re a guy who isn’t playing well. If you’re a 2, you’re a guy who’s giving good effort but not on a consistent level. If you’re a 3, you’re playing at an all-conference level and you represent the program in a positive way. If you’re a 4, you’re a 3 that has the added ability to make your teammates better.

In Kelly’s two years at UC, Barwin is his first 4. That is the impact Barwin has made on this team this season – even while learning a new position.

Not bad for a mid-major basketball player.

“All of it,” Barwin said, “has definitely been worth it.”

Cyclone792
11-21-2008, 09:11 AM
Koch on Goodman:

http://news.cincinnati.com/article/20081120/SPT0101/311200088/1064


Dominick Goodman won a state championship as the quarterback at Colerain High School in 2004, rushing for a state title-game record of 259 yards with four touchdowns, but he knew he wouldn’t be playing quarterback at the University of Cincinnati.

When he arrived at UC in the summer of 2005, he was just another freshman trying to get on the field, and in his case, trying to do it while learning a new position.

“I was just thinking about playing football and getting an education,” he said.

Goodman certainly never envisioned that one day his teammates would call him “The Wizard” because of his uncanny ability to make catches that appear almost impossible to execute.

“The plays he makes and what he does after the play, some of it is magic,” said UC quarterback Tony Pike.

He never would have declared that he would become one of the greatest receivers in UC history and still hesitates to put himself in that class.

But four years later, the 6-foot-1, 210-pound senior wide receiver has tied Jim O’Brien (1967-69) for the most career touchdown passes at UC with 21 and stands within reach of the school records for receptions and yardage, both of which are owned by LaDaris Vann (1999-2002).

He needs 197 yards to break Vann’s record of 2,483 and 22 catches to surpass Vann’s total of 204.

Goodman finds the nickname amusing.

“They’ve been calling me that for a while now,” he said. “It’s kind of funny. I guess it’s because of the catches I make sometimes. People don’t believe how I catch them. I surprise myself a lot when I watch the film and see how I catch some passes. It’s just nothing but focus and thinking about the ball first and nothing else.”

During that first year at UC, Goodman worked hard on learning how to run precise routes, receiving plenty of advice from Derek Ross, who led the Bearcats in receptions that season.

He then picked up where Ross left off. He has led UC for the last two years and is the Bearcats’ leading receiver again this season with 63 catches – which rank second in the Big East - for 802 yards and six touchdowns.

Goodman learned to focus on the ball at an early age when his father, Don, who played fullback at UC in 1982 and 1983, threw errant passes to him in their driveway.

“I figured if he could catch the bad ones, he’d be able to catch the good ones,” Don Goodman said.

Dominick was a tight end and linebacker back then before moving to quarterback in middle school. At Colerain, his speed, elusiveness and keen judgment with the ball made him the ideal quarterback for the triple option the Cardinals employed so efficiently.

But those skills didn’t translate as well into the pro-style offense that UC ran, so then-head coach Mark Dantonio moved him to wide receiver, where he’s been a fixture ever since.

Goodman has benefited this year from Mardy Gilyard’s development into a top-flight receiver in his own right with 48 catches, including eight for touchdowns.

“If they want to role the coverage to Mardy Gilyard and try to double him, Goody gets one-on-coverage,” said UC head coach Brian Kelly. “Earlier in the year, before Mardy started to make some plays, (Goodman) was getting the double coverage and Mardy was one-on-one. It’s kind of pick your poison.”

Kelly praises Goodman’s hands and his body control, but he says those aren’t the only elements that make him such a good receiver.

“He’s a winner,” Kelly said. “Whenever he’s been in a competitive environment, he just wins, whether it be here or as the high school quarterback at Colerain.”

Despite Goodman’s nickname, the only thing flashy about him is the way he catches the ball. He has never stopped quietly working hard in practice and is so diligent that Kelly uses him as an example to the younger players.

The other day, on a very cold afternoon, Goodman was diving on the Nippert Stadium turf to catch passes. When Kelly saw sophomore Armon Binns not making the same effort, he referred him to Goodman.

“I said, ‘Look, Goody’s on the turf half the time,” Kelly said. “And look what it’s done for him.”

Goodman shares a lot of similarities with his dad, from his practice habits to his reluctance to talk about himself.

Don Goodman, who played on the 1983 UC team that upset Penn State, always believed that talk is cheap and that if you let your actions speak for you, you’ll get a lot more respect.

But he’s not shy about discussing his son and the hand he has had in moving UC so close to the Big East championship.

“It’s great, to see how far it’s come,” he said of the UC program. “And to see my son playing, it’s even a greater feeling.”

will5979
11-21-2008, 09:58 AM
he should have thrown the game so that the Big East looks better and WVU fans are happy. You're crazy man.

YEP! Not for WVU fans to be happy but for Big East credibility and the money the conference would have received. Selfish move on his part not looking at the big picture. Before last year I would have said the exact same thing about WVU if the situation were reversed and Pitt could have gone for the National title. I actually cheered for Vick and VPI in 1999 when they went to the National Championship, and Tech is a team that at the time I hated more than anybody.

I think about what is best for the conference.

Roy Tucker
11-21-2008, 10:14 AM
If you're going to the UC game, whatever you do, don't park at any of the shopping centers around UC. Particularly the Kroger/Blockbuster/RiteAid lot. They will tow you.

They have quite the little cottage industry of towing *everyone* out of the lot and it costs you a tidy bundle to get your car back. I got towed back in 2002 from a UC hoops game and it cost $110 to get my car (plus cab fare). It's no fun.

Boston Red
11-21-2008, 11:26 AM
I actually cheered for Vick and VPI in 1999

You cheered for them against WV?

will5979
11-21-2008, 11:44 AM
You cheered for them against WV?

No I cheered for them in the National Championship because they were a Big East team.

Boston Red
11-21-2008, 12:13 PM
No I cheered for them in the National Championship because they were a Big East team.

Well, that's a little different than what you were proposing the Wanny and Pitt do. I'm sure all Big East fans (probably even Pitt fans) would have cheered for WV if they had been playing Ohio State in New Orleans.

Redlegs23
11-21-2008, 04:46 PM
YEP! Not for WVU fans to be happy but for Big East credibility and the money the conference would have received. Selfish move on his part not looking at the big picture. Before last year I would have said the exact same thing about WVU if the situation were reversed and Pitt could have gone for the National title. I actually cheered for Vick and VPI in 1999 when they went to the National Championship, and Tech is a team that at the time I hated more than anybody.

I think about what is best for the conference.


Yes, how selfish of him to try and get a win for his players that worked so hard all season, and how selfish of him to try and save his job.

will5979
11-21-2008, 10:36 PM
Yes, how selfish of him to try and get a win for his players that worked so hard all season, and how selfish of him to try and save his job.

dude they had a 4-7 record...what was one more win going to mean?

GoReds33
11-21-2008, 10:38 PM
Can we get back onto a postive note please?

The game's less than a day away, and I'm pumped!

Does anybody think we should rush the field if we win?

paintmered
11-21-2008, 10:56 PM
Does anybody think we should rush the field if we win?

No. Act like we've been there before. Besides, it's against Big East rules.

HeatherC1212
11-22-2008, 01:32 AM
I'm very excited about the game but I'll be watching from the comfort of my family room. I've been sick this week and I didn't want to risk getting sick again by being outside for a long time tomorrow night. Go Bearcats!! :jump:

Matt700wlw
11-22-2008, 02:26 AM
Go get them, Cats....this win puts this program into the next level....and accomplishes something I don't think anybody ever thought UC football would ever do...

dougdirt
11-22-2008, 04:06 AM
Can't wait. Heading down around 3 or 4 to tailgate with some guys at the law school, then heading in for the game. Everyone be sure to wear your RED.

Hoosier Red
11-22-2008, 09:52 AM
Can we get back onto a postive note please?

The game's less than a day away, and I'm pumped!

Does anybody think we should rush the field if we win?

Oh hell yeah you should.

paintmered
11-22-2008, 10:00 AM
If you get a chance, head over to Glen Sample Way (runs along the first base side of the ballpark) and take a moment of silence.

The Bearcats and the Reds lost a great one today. :(

GoReds33
11-22-2008, 10:59 AM
If you get a chance, head over to Glen Sample Way (runs along the first base side of the ballpark) and take a moment of silence.

The Bearcats and the Reds lost a great one today. :(That's a great idea. He was a great man, and very important to both Bearcats, and Reds baseball. He will be missed.

Redlegs23
11-22-2008, 02:34 PM
dude they had a 4-7 record...what was one more win going to mean?

I think that win has meant quite a bit to the Pitt program, and has helped Wannstedt keep his job. Jeapordizing the integrity of the game by intentionally losing is a stupid, stupid idea under any circumstances. We obviously disagree on this, so I'll let it go from here.

I'm heading down to campus right now to get a few solid hours of tailgating in before the game. I would've been down there this morning if the wife could have put up with the cold all day, but I guess I should be happy that she's willing to go down at 3. Go Cats!

Reds Fanatic
11-22-2008, 07:27 PM
Game is starting. With the Boise State game still on ESPN2 the UC game will start on ESPN Classic.

Chip R
11-22-2008, 07:28 PM
Pushing the kickoff back for Boise State and Nevada? Oh, I see it's on ESPN Classic. :rolleyes:

redsmetz
11-22-2008, 07:37 PM
Game is starting. With the Boise State game still on ESPN2 the UC game will start on ESPN Classic.

Will there be a local over the air broadcast?

WMR
11-22-2008, 07:54 PM
WVU did blow it, big time! Screwed the pooch is more like it but anyway when you think about what the Big East has been through this decade and the BCS questioning the credibility of the conference shouldn't Wanstadt have taken the best interests of the conference into consideration? Think of the money/attention the Big East would have received. Would have been huge for Pitt, Cincy, everyone in the conference, not just the Eers.

:laugh: :lol: :laugh:

Yeah he should have thrown the game.

Riiiiight.

Matt700wlw
11-22-2008, 07:55 PM
Pike's a tough kid.

redsfandan
11-22-2008, 09:40 PM
It's a reference to Kelly wanting 500,000 in the stands for Saturday. To keep out of trouble with the fire marshal, UC never announces attendance greater than 35,097.

attendance has just been announced as 35,098.

HeatherC1212
11-22-2008, 09:47 PM
This has been a great game tonight and Pike is one tough guy. He's been all over the place tonight making things happen and thank goodness for his awesome receivers being right there with him. The defense has been awesome too ever since that first drive I didn't see since I don't have ESPN Classic. ;) I hope the guys can hang in there for the fourth quarter and not let the game get away from them. GO Bearcats!!! :jump:

redsfandan
11-22-2008, 09:50 PM
28-7 UC w/almost a qtr left. i think UC will be in a BCS game.

OnBaseMachine
11-22-2008, 10:09 PM
Tony Pike is very impressive.

redsfandan
11-22-2008, 10:14 PM
pike should be impressive next season too.

guttle11
11-22-2008, 10:37 PM
Not only are you rushing the field without clinching anything, you have to put the goal post back up in the process.

Wow. You have to do better.

Boston Red
11-22-2008, 10:38 PM
UC fans are really tempting the sports karma gods. Syracuse did beat (an admittedly awful) Notre Dame in South Bend today.

redsfandan
11-22-2008, 10:40 PM
a little too dramatic at the end but it's still a very important win for UC.

redsfandan
11-22-2008, 10:45 PM
w/losses by LSU, BYU, and Mich St today UC has a shot to be ranked in the top 15 with syracuse and the bowl game left.

HeatherC1212
11-22-2008, 10:47 PM
I think that was the funniest ending of a game I've seen in a long time although I don't know if I would have been laughing had UC lost! :eek: The fans storming the field with four seconds left was a riot though because you knew it was coming all night long with how rowdy the crowd had been during the game. I wonder if they got the goalposts back up before they ran that last play, LOL :laugh:

Congrats Bearcats! It wasn't pretty at the end but it's still a win and now you control your own destiny. It's time to finish the job next week. Go Cats!! :D

George Foster
11-22-2008, 11:29 PM
My only fear is that the Bearcat program that has not had much success will let this win go to their head and get beat by the Orangeman next week. I hope not. Cincy needs a winner in the worse way. Go Bearcats!

Cyclone792
11-23-2008, 12:27 AM
Just got back from the game. Wow, what else can be said?! It was absolutely nuts down at Nippert all evening! I don't even have a voice left right now and I don't even care.

One more Big East win to go!

GoReds33
11-23-2008, 12:33 AM
I just got back aswell. I think that was the greatest day of my life! I got down there around four, tossed football, and was one of the first in the stadium. I was in the third row of the student section (first row of bleachers). I really thought we would have a horrible game after that opening drive. The crowd was very quiet. Good thing we pulled ahead.

dougdirt
11-23-2008, 12:42 AM
I don't plan on talking for the next two days because of the lack of a voice I have currently. So worth it though.

Cyclone792
11-23-2008, 12:50 AM
This is a BEAUTIFUL sight:

http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/5831/cincypitt2mj8.jpg

WMR
11-23-2008, 12:59 AM
BearCat fans did do a bit of karma tempting tonight...

hopefully it won't come back to bite you guys.

Cyclone792
11-23-2008, 01:16 AM
An update from Koch ...

http://news.cincinnati.com/apps/pbcs.dll/section?category=blog04&plckController=Blog&plckBlogPage=BlogViewPost&U=da6629a0-7bd0-4605-8869-25a20cb5adab&plckPostId=Blog%3ada6629a0-7bd0-4605-8869-25a20cb5adabPost%3a263656d7-7b19-4907-b1c5-421308b40fd4&plckScript=blogScript&plckElementId=blogDest


There was something different about Nippert Stadium on Saturday night.

It wasn’t just the sellout crowd of 35,098, the largest in the stadium’s history, but the way the fans responded.

“I felt it when we came into the stadium,” said UC coach Brian Kelly. “When we ran onto the field, I could tell there was something special about the atmosphere.”
Before the frigid night was over, those fans, many of whom were chanting “B-C-S! B-C-S!” in the closing minutes, would witness something just as special, a 28-21 win over Pitt and the increasing likelihood that the Bearcats are going to win the Big East championship and play in their first BCS bowl.

Tony Pike was almost flawless, with 26 completions in 32 attempts for 309 yards and three touchdowns, the best he's ever been, according to Kelly.

"We could not make a play on that quarterback," said Pitt coach Dave Wannstedt.

Pike was so good that Kelly said after the game the Bearcats could have thrown for as many yards as they wanted to, but they wanted to get some balance with the running game.

So it's all right there for UC now. Just one win over a Syracuse team that just beat Notre Dame stands in the Bearcats' way. I'm sure I'm not the only one out there who's amazed by what we've seen the past two years. But we probably shouldn't be amazed anymore.

A UC official told me last week that a trip to a BCS game would be right up there with the 1992 Final Four trip in the recent history of UC athletics. He might be right.

dougdirt
11-23-2008, 01:17 AM
This is a BEAUTIFUL sight:

http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/5831/cincypitt2mj8.jpg

Hey, I can see me. Or at least a little dot that looks like me. What a night.

Cyclone792
11-23-2008, 01:19 AM
And an update from Katzowitz:

http://gobearcats.cstv.com/sports/blog/spec-rel/112308aaa.html


(12:04 a.m.): Well, things got crazy on the field afterward. I don’t know if you saw it or if you were part of it or if you were getting trampled by it, but damn, that was quite a show in the final few seconds of the game. Fans running on the field, fans running back off, the goal post coming down, the goal post going back up, the final play where people were on the turf as Pitt tried to lateral its way to a last-second touchdown. The craziest scene I’ve ever seen/covered was a few years back when Georgia beat Tennessee at home for the first time in forever. Fans rushed the field with about 1:14 to play, and it was just insanity. Tonight reminded me of that. I’m just glad I didn’t get trampled.

The highlight of the night for me was watching one of the cheerleaders run onto the field, and almost like a cartoon character who was trying stop her momentum, she stopped and went the other way. I can’t do it justice with the written word, but if you see me around, ask me to do the impression. The look of panic on her face was absolutely hi-larious. Hell of a scene, though (if you weren’t here, oranges filled the air at least 20 minutes after the game was complete).

“It was awesome; it was crazy,” Connor Barwin said. “I didn’t even make it back to the locker room to hear what coach Kelly said. I was surrounded by people. I couldn’t even get back. People wanted pictures, to shake your hand. It was awesome.”

And nutritious, apparently.

“I picked up (an orange) and ate it,” DeAngelo Smith said. “It tasted pretty good.”

BK, though, provided a voice of reason.

“The way I look at it, for me as the head coach here, you don’t enjoy the ride until you get there,” he said. “We want to get to the Orange Bowl. We want to get to that destination. You don’t enjoy it until you get there. I’m going to get up early tomorrow and start working on Syracuse. We have plenty of time to enjoy it later.”

Tony Pike, obviously, was outstanding, completing 26 of 32 passes for 309 yards and three touchdowns. You kind of feel for Dustin Grutza, who didn’t see the field at all tonight, but afterward, he looked pretty pleased as the team (and its fans) carried around the River City Rivalry trophy. Plus, Pike is just too darn good at this point.

“One of the things that we thought he needed to do was keep his eyes downfield,” BK said. “Sometimes a younger quarterback will lose his vision, look down, lose the coverage, lose the receivers. He did a tremendous job of keeping his eyes downfield and sensing and feeling the pressure. As he’s become more comfortable in the spread offense, he knows how he’s protected. He knows where he needs to look. He’s got a pretty good understanding of where our guys are. We could have thrown for as many yards as we wanted if we kept throwing the football.”

Pike, as he likes to do, credited his offensive line. And as patchy as it was early in the game, the line really played well the final half of the game. Pike’s explanation:

“Coming into the game, we had a gameplan for everything they were going to do,” Pike said. “They were coming off a bye week so they were going to have a bunch of different answers for us. The biggest thing was they were anticipating our snap count real well and they were able to get off the line and almost be upfield before I was getting the ball in my hands. We went through a couple different options with that, as far as delaying a little bit on the snap. It helped with them not being able to pin their ears back. And it helped with the quarterback runs and regular runs to keep them off balance.”

Pike also led the team in rushing with 33 yards on nine carries. Normally, that’s not a great thing, but tonight it worked.

Brandon Underwood played well in place of Mike Mickens, and though he got some yards toward the end of the game, Pitt quarterback Bill Stull had a tough time for much of the night. Seven sacks, I guess, will do that.

“We moved Stull a lot,” BK said. “We got him to move his feet. That was so important. When he sets his feet, he can rip the ball down the field and he’s got great receivers that can go up and get it. The key for us was to keep McCoy under wraps. He didn’t hurt us until the end.”

BK said Mickens will be reevaluated Monday and his status for Syracuse is questionable.

Katzonthecats opinions: The good stuff: UC now has won vs. three consecutive opponents it never had beaten in Big East play before this year. That’s a pretty amazing stretch of games. “That’s hard to do,” BK said. “Mentally it drains on you.”
The bad stuff: Not too much stuff to pick from. The 41-yard touchdown pass from Stull to Dorin Dickerson with 1:22 to play that cut the lead to seven won’t make the UC highlight package. The running game wasn’t all that great. But other than that, not too much to complain about.

The semi-important stuff: Actually, this was pretty important – how the defense stopped Pitt after Mardy Gilyard’s first-quarter kickoff return fumble gave the Panthers possession at the Bearcats 34. “That was a huge momentum turn for us,” BK said. “If Pitt goes in there up 14-0, our guys are pressing a little bit.”

Hey, if you ran on the field – and I know some of you did and yelled hello as you went to raise hell on the C-paw – and you don’t mind being interviewed by me, shoot me an e-mail at jkatzo@hotmail.com. Don’t need anything for the blog, but maybe some quotes/experiences for The Odyssey. Would be interested to hear a fan’s take on the whole thing.

NatiRedGals
11-23-2008, 01:20 AM
Yes What A Night Great Gamee!!! And Ended Up Not Even Being That Cold! :) Gooo Bearcats!

dougdirt
11-23-2008, 01:26 AM
Yes What A Night Great Gamee!!! And Ended Up Not Even Being That Cold! :) Gooo Bearcats!

For about 95% of my body, it was fine. I couldn't feel my toes until about 12:30 though.

WMR
11-23-2008, 01:27 AM
If they make the Orange Bowl, who's the likely opponent?

HeatherC1212
11-23-2008, 02:20 AM
I'm glad you guys had a great time at the stadium! The atmosphere there spilled over and you could almost feel it through the TV. What a fun night! :D

Caveat Emperor
11-23-2008, 04:32 AM
UC fans are really tempting the sports karma gods. Syracuse did beat (an admittedly awful) Notre Dame in South Bend today.

Syracuse is legitimately terrible.

If they're the loss that keeps you out of a major bowl game, you never deserved to be there in the first place.

LoganBuck
11-23-2008, 07:37 AM
Way to go UC.

I have said it before, buy your season tickets for next year now. Do it to keep your coach.

Looking at the BCS landscape, they could get Florida/Alabama, USC, or the second place Big 12 team. UC isn't going to be paired with Utah, or a bad ACC team. They won't bring enough hotel business. So look for a big time team.

If someone gets upset they could conceivably see Ohio State.

paintmered
11-23-2008, 09:35 AM
If they make the Orange Bowl, who's the likely opponent?

The ACC Champ is contractually locked into the Orange Bowl. With the way the ACC is unfolding this year, I'm not sure any team wants to play in that game.

GoReds33
11-23-2008, 09:40 AM
The ACC Champ is contractually locked into the Orange Bowl. With the way the ACC is unfolding this year, I'm not sure any team wants to play in that game.I think that is good for us. Not only do we have likely have a BCS game, we might have a BCS win.

NatiRedGals
11-23-2008, 10:11 AM
For about 95% of my body, it was fine. I couldn't feel my toes until about 12:30 though.

Haha yes it was very odd my feet froze but everything else felt like ya know its cold but its not bad it was oddd:cool:

NorrisHopper30
11-23-2008, 01:39 PM
My toes were freezing other than that it wasn't too bad.

DoogMinAmo
11-23-2008, 01:57 PM
I learned my lesson, in the future... double up socks.

Amazing game and ridiculous atmosphere. A buddy of mine kept pinching himself saying "This is what football should be."

Rushing the field while an amateur thing to do, was a blast and crazy fun.

UC 16th in the new AP poll.

OnBaseMachine
11-23-2008, 02:46 PM
Hopefully UC can take care of Syracuse next week. I'd hate to see a repeat of what happened to WVU last year when they overlooked Pitt and lost.

Redlegs23
11-23-2008, 03:46 PM
Awesome night, can't wait until next Saturday. There's still a chance UC ends up in the Sugar Bowl too. Sugar bowl will have a choice between UC or another non BCS school like Utah. If we go to the Sugar Bowl we will likely face the 2nd place SEC team, so either Florida or Bama. If we go to the Orange Bowl we will face the ACC champ.

paintmered
11-23-2008, 05:27 PM
Amazing game and ridiculous atmosphere. A buddy of mine kept pinching himself saying "This is what football should be."

After the game, I turned to my buddy and asked, "With an atmosphere like that, who would ever want to go to Paul Brown Stadium?"

Caveat Emperor
11-23-2008, 05:33 PM
The following should happen on Monday, IMO:

UC: "Mr. Kelly, we're going to hand you a piece of paper and a pen. Now, we want you to write down how much money you think you should make next year."

(sound of scribbling and writing)

UC: "Alright, we'll have a check cut in a few minutes for you. Thanks for taking the time to meet with us, good luck this week with Syracuse."

paintmered
11-23-2008, 05:44 PM
The following should happen on Monday, IMO:

UC: "Mr. Kelly, we're going to hand you a piece of paper and a pen. Now, we want you to write down how much money you think you should make next year."

(sound of scribbling and writing)

UC: "Alright, we'll have a check cut in a few minutes for you. Thanks for taking the time to meet with us, good luck this week with Syracuse."

That's essentially what Mike Thomas did last year for Kelly.

BTW, Bill Koch is saying that if UC beats Syracuse, Kelly will make over $1.5MM this year after incentives.

Degenerate39
11-23-2008, 07:54 PM
Hopefully UC can take care of Syracuse next week. I'd hate to see a repeat of what happened to WVU last year when they overlooked Pitt and lost.

Must you bring up those painful memories :(

vaticanplum
11-23-2008, 08:02 PM
My understanding is that the incentive for Kelly to go to Notre Dame or Tennessee or wherever is not the contract money, it's the TV money. the extras.

In other words, UC can't and shouldn't compete with what they offer him on a contract. Is this correct? So my argument is that UC should start pushing hard for some kind of television or endorsement deal. That's where the extra money for their coach would be, and it would presumably benefit numerous others besides just him.

vaticanplum
11-23-2008, 08:03 PM
After the game, I turned to my buddy and asked, "With an atmosphere like that, who would ever want to go to Paul Brown Stadium?"

A sign near me said, "Hey Bengals -- these Cats play in January." :)

DoogMinAmo
11-24-2008, 01:06 AM
After the game, I turned to my buddy and asked, "With an atmosphere like that, who would ever want to go to Paul Brown Stadium?"

I was told there were 30 or so recruits on the sideline for the game as well. Some of these kids have serious talent and get offers and visits to big schools with bigger stadia, but I have to wonder if any of the other programs can genuinely match the enthusiasm and atmosphere of Nippert that night. What a way to sell UC football.

Caveat Emperor
11-24-2008, 01:50 AM
I was told there were 30 or so recruits on the sideline for the game as well. Some of these kids have serious talent and get offers and visits to big schools with bigger stadia, but I have to wonder if any of the other programs can genuinely match the enthusiasm and atmosphere of Nippert that night. What a way to sell UC football.

Unfortunately, what's going to get used against UC for this recruiting class is: "Nice guy, Brian Kelly -- but if you want to play for him, you're making a mistake signing on in Clifton."

Heath
11-24-2008, 10:29 AM
My understanding is that the incentive for Kelly to go to Notre Dame or Tennessee or wherever is not the contract money, it's the TV money. the extras.

In other words, UC can't and shouldn't compete with what they offer him on a contract. Is this correct? So my argument is that UC should start pushing hard for some kind of television or endorsement deal. That's where the extra money for their coach would be, and it would presumably benefit numerous others besides just him.

One could argue at this point in time, that the UC job would be better than the UT job.

As long as the Big East is in the BCS, it's a lot easier to get through Rutgers than South Carolina.

westofyou
11-24-2008, 10:31 AM
One could argue at this point in time, that the UC job would be better than the UT job.

That would be the worlds shortest argument IMO.

Caveat Emperor
11-24-2008, 01:19 PM
That would be the worlds shortest argument IMO.

If the debate is: "What is the better job to have overall?" then yes, that'd be the world's shortest argument.

If the debate is: "Where am I more likely to play in a national title game?" then I think the argument becomes slightly more complex.

Suppose the Bearcats go to the Orange Bowl and win. They'll finish the year (likely) in the top-12 in the nation. Suppose also that Brian Kelly decides to stay -- they'll likely start next season somewhere in the Top 25 preseason polls. As long as you start in the Top 25, you have a legitimate chance to play for a national title if you run the table at a BCS school, even if it is the Big East or ACC.

If you accept all of the above as true, I don't see how you can say that it's an easier road in Tennessee through the SEC than it is at UC through the Big East.

Chip R
11-24-2008, 02:48 PM
If you accept all of the above as true, I don't see how you can say that it's an easier road in Tennessee through the SEC than it is at UC through the Big East.


It wouldn't be any easier at UT but you'd have a better chance. That kind of sounds like the same thing but it's different. At UT you have to go through the conference gauntlet and if you survive that then you have the SEC championship game. It's easier to get through WVU and Rutgers and Louisvillle but unless those are top teams, you don't get a lot of credit for beating them. If you're in the Big East you have to be highly ranked to begin the season and you either have to run the table or lose 1 game - and that 1 loss better be early - to play in the BCS championship game. You can lose 2 games in the SEC and still make it to the BCS championship game.