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Marc D
12-07-2008, 08:19 PM
I'm an OSU fan so I obviously want the B10 to do well but this isn't looking too promising.

OSU vs Texas
PSU vs USC
MSU vs UGA
Iowa vs South Carolina
Northwestern vs Mizzou
Minny vs Kansas

Hopefully it turns out better on the field than it looks on paper. In 1998 the B10 went 5-0 in its Bowl games, this year could realistically be an 0fer. I'd say 2-4 at best on first glance.

Ouch.

Unassisted
12-07-2008, 08:22 PM
I agree that an 0-fer is a distinct possibility. It'll be interesting to see if oddsmakers favor any of the Big 10 teams in their games.

2009 is not really the year I wanted to see the Buckeyes play a rubber game against the Longhorns.

GAC
12-07-2008, 08:59 PM
It doesn't look good does it.

Texas, IMHO, will destroy us. OSU's Big 10 defense is not good enough vs Texas' Big 12 offense. Tressell, being Tressell, will emphasis their strength (running game), ball control, field position, clock management, and try to keep it a low scoring affair to give his team a chance. That may work for the first half, but not an entire game. McCoy (QB Rating 179, 3445 Yds passing, 32 TDs) will have a huge 2nd half simply because our offense won't keep our defense off the field. They'll wear us down. IMO, it won't be pretty.

USC vs Penn State? The West Coast is the Bermuda Triangle for Big 10 teams. I really don't know how good USC is because the PAC-10 is so down this year. But I could still foresee USC coming away with at least a 10 pt win here.

MSU vs Georgia? MSU was destroyed by OSU and PSU. Georgia was somewhat of a disappointment when one looks at their pre-season ranking; but two of their three losses came at the hands of elite teams (Alabama, Florida). And Georgia Tech, their other loss, is a good program. QB Stafford will have no problem with MSU's pass defense.

Iowa vs S. Carolina? I like Iowa. We may get our lone win, which would give us a 1-1 record in bowl games vs the SEC. :D

Northwestern vs Missouri? Chase Daniels vs Northwestern's pass defense? Nuff said.

Minnesota vs Kansas? Kansas

MWM
12-07-2008, 09:08 PM
I think they'll win one or two, but no more. I really believe the Big Ten is on it's way up right now, but it's a couple of years away.

Marc D
12-07-2008, 09:10 PM
It doesn't look good does it.

Texas, IMHO, will destroy us. OSU's Big 10 defense is not good enough vs Texas' Big 12 offense. Tressell, being Tressell, will emphasis their strength (running game), ball control, field position, clock management, and try to keep it a low scoring affair to give his team a chance. That may work for the first half, but not an entire game. McCoy (QB Rating 179, 3445 Yds passing, 32 TDs) will have a huge 2nd half simply because our offense won't keep our defense off the field. They'll wear us down. IMO, it won't be pretty.




I think a properly coached OSU defense would be fine, it would be the first defense with a pulse that Texas has seen all year. The problem is Heacock and his famous rush 3 drop 8 Chris Leak defense. He will allow McCoy to absolutely pick us apart.

Offensively unless Pryor evolves dramtically during the bowl practices we are screwed. It takes about 30 seconds of watching game film to see we are no threat passing the ball.

The only positives I see are 1) Texas having a bad letdown after missing out on the NC game 2) JT used to be good at getting them ready for a big Bowl game, maybe he's due to find the magic again 3) B12 teams often look like juggernauts untill they play someone who is dedicated to playing an ounce of defense and is physical, if Heacock will be aggressive we fit the bill on both counts.

Bottom line to me is if we use the same gameplan as the past 3 big games (UF, LSU, USC) we will get the same result. If Tress and his staff are tired of getting humiliated and come out swinging we have the athletes to play with anyone.

guttle11
12-07-2008, 09:10 PM
Wisconsin is playing Florida State in the Champs Sports Bowl as well. I see that as a toss up game unless FSU decides to go shoe shopping.

MWM
12-07-2008, 09:18 PM
I think a properly coached OSU defense would be fine, it would be the first defense with a pulse that Texas has seen all year. The problem is Heacock and his famous rush 3 drop 8 Chris Leak defense. He will allow McCoy to absolutely pick us apart.



I'm glad I'm not the only one who thinks OSU's defense is very poorly schemed. They're designed to stop Big Ten offense, but aren't capable of adapting to anything else (that is unless they're just freakishly talented like the AJ Hawk senior year D. Oh man, was that defense outstanding).

*BaseClogger*
12-07-2008, 09:18 PM
Northwestern v. Missouri might be the biggest mismatch of the bowl season. Northwestern is one of the worst 9-3 teams I have ever seen come from the Big Ten...

MWM
12-07-2008, 09:20 PM
Northwestern v. Missouri might be the biggest mismatch of the bowl season. Northwestern is one of the worst 9-3 teams I have ever seen come from the Big Ten...

Yeah, that one could get ugly. But Mizzou's efense is missing the D. That conference as a whole just doesn't play D at all.

Marc D
12-07-2008, 09:28 PM
I'm glad I'm not the only one who thinks OSU's defense is very poorly schemed. They're designed to stop Big Ten offense, but aren't capable of adapting to anything else (that is unless they're just freakishly talented like the AJ Hawk senior year D. Oh man, was that defense outstanding).

Its not that they aren't designed to stop the spread, its that lately they cannot control the LOS. In 2002 OSU had a dominant DL and could rush 3 or 4 and still get a pass rush. OSU hasn't been able to that lately and the current DC seems to be content getting dinked and dunked to death instead of going down fighting and sending some blitzes.

The spread has been in the B10 since 1999, its not new to OSU and in theory if you have an extremely athletic back 7 who are very good at tackling in space I agree with keeping everything in front of you and making the offense work a long field. Chances are they will mess something up and can't consistently drive and score. That all goes out the window if your DL is getting worked and this has been OSU's issue since the 2005 team.


Northwestern v. Missouri might be the biggest mismatch of the bowl season. Northwestern is one of the worst 9-3 teams I have ever seen come from the Big Ten...

Agreed, this looks similar to the "game" thay had with Nebraska a few years back when they were still good. This could be brutal and Mizzou isn't known for calling off the dogs.

cincrazy
12-07-2008, 10:01 PM
I'm glad I'm not the only one who thinks OSU's defense is very poorly schemed. They're designed to stop Big Ten offense, but aren't capable of adapting to anything else (that is unless they're just freakishly talented like the AJ Hawk senior year D. Oh man, was that defense outstanding).

Agreed. We need to be more aggressive. If we sit back and don't blitz, McCoy will kill us. If we apply some pressure, we have more than a fighting chance. I like our chances moving the ball on them, as crazy as that sounds.

Caseyfan21
12-07-2008, 10:14 PM
Its not that they aren't designed to stop the spread, its that lately they cannot control the LOS. In 2002 OSU had a dominant DL and could rush 3 or 4 and still get a pass rush. OSU hasn't been able to that lately and the current DC seems to be content getting dinked and dunked to death instead of going down fighting and sending some blitzes.

The spread has been in the B10 since 1999, its not new to OSU and in theory if you have an extremely athletic back 7 who are very good at tackling in space I agree with keeping everything in front of you and making the offense work a long field. Chances are they will mess something up and can't consistently drive and score. That all goes out the window if your DL is getting worked and this has been OSU's issue since the 2005 team.



Agreed, this looks similar to the "game" thay had with Nebraska a few years back when they were still good. This could be brutal and Mizzou isn't known for calling off the dogs.

OSU has shut down the spread in the past. Heck, they tore a few teams up before the BCS National Championship disasters. Weren't Kansas State and Oklahoma St. both spread style offenses when OSU beat them? Just please blitz and toss in some man coverage. Oh, and find out what a play action pass is and introduce T. Pryor to the tight ends.

Hoosier Red
12-08-2008, 11:27 AM
The second team in the BCS really hurts the Big 11 again this year.

Imagine say Boise State got the final BCS at large spot.

Penn State vs. USC
tOSU vs. UGA
Wisconsin VS South Carolina
tMSU vs Florida State
Iowa vs. Mizzou
Northwestern vs. Kansas
Minnesota vs. Central Michigan?

I'd feel a lot better about those matchups. Of course as IU profits from the rest of the Big Ten, I'm all about two BCS pay days. Thanks guys, the practice facilities are coming along quite nicely.

Marc D
12-08-2008, 11:44 AM
OSU has shut down the spread in the past. Heck, they tore a few teams up before the BCS National Championship disasters. Weren't Kansas State and Oklahoma St. both spread style offenses when OSU beat them? Just please blitz and toss in some man coverage. Oh, and find out what a play action pass is and introduce T. Pryor to the tight ends.


Yes, that's my point, OSU has faced the spread and defended it well many times. The problem the past couple of years has been recruiting/development of DL talent and poor defensive scheme imo. The slow plodding B10 defense that has never seen the spread offense bunk is just a media soundbyte that casual fans take as scripture.

If we take another big game curb stomping I think Heacock and Bollman need to go. There is no coach in America I want running the show at OSU more than Jim Tressel but no one is perfect, I think they need some new blood on the staff.

HeatherC1212
12-08-2008, 11:51 AM
I saw last night that tOSU is 3-0 at the Fiesta Bowl. I have no clue if that means anything or not for this year but the guys seem to play well in Arizona so it could be a good game for them. :)

Unassisted
12-08-2008, 12:35 PM
The second team in the BCS really hurts the Big 11 again this year.

Imagine say Boise State got the final BCS at large spot.

Penn State vs. USC
tOSU vs. UGA
Wisconsin VS South Carolina
tMSU vs Florida State
Iowa vs. Mizzou
Northwestern vs. Kansas
Minnesota vs. Buffalo?

I'd feel a lot better about those matchups.

I agree. That's a great point.

I suspect that the Fiesta Bowl folks figured that Texas-Boise State would have been a bigger mismatch and wouldn't have drawn nearly as many fans to Tempe. They know better than any other bowl what they are getting with the Buckeyes.

GAC
12-08-2008, 08:59 PM
The problem that OSU is going to have is that their offense cannot keep pace with Texas. And Texas is going to follow the game plan most everyone else has this year when playing OSU.... stack the line, stop Beanie, and tell Pryor that he is going to have to beat us with the passing game that just hasn't been there (for the most part).

OSU's defense is good. But I agree with MWM that it's the scheme. McCoy will have a field day with OSU's zone defense.

11larkin11
12-14-2008, 05:43 PM
I saw last night that tOSU is 3-0 at the Fiesta Bowl. I have no clue if that means anything or not for this year but the guys seem to play well in Arizona so it could be a good game for them. :)

Those were in our home away from home, Tempe. We got murdered by Florida our only trip to the new site, Phoenix.

I feel good about Iowa, I think Wisconsin could beat FSU, Missouri's D is even worse than Northwestern's so that is a toss up, and maybe an upset somewhere (hope). But I'm the optimistic type.

Unassisted
12-30-2008, 05:58 PM
I had high hopes that the Big 10 would pull an upset last night when Northwestern took Missouri to OT in the Alamo Bowl. No such luck. :(

Highlifeman21
12-30-2008, 08:45 PM
I had high hopes that the Big 10 would pull an upset last night when Northwestern took Missouri to OT in the Alamo Bowl. No such luck. :(

Chase Daniel to Jeremy Maclin.

Dangerous combo.

Hybrid
12-30-2008, 10:32 PM
I had high hopes that the Big 10 would pull an upset last night when Northwestern took Missouri to OT in the Alamo Bowl. No such luck. :(

That was a really good game. Northwestern should have won...the missed extra point really came back to bite them.

BuckeyeRedleg
12-30-2008, 11:13 PM
Chase Daniel to Jeremy Maclin.

Dangerous combo.

And yet Maclin only had 39 yards receiving in the game.

Too bad the punter for NW spiraled his punt to Maclin right before halftime.

RBA
12-30-2008, 11:54 PM
That "weak" Pac-10 is now 3-0 so far. ;)

OnBaseMachine
12-30-2008, 11:59 PM
Oregon-Oklahoma State in the Holiday Bowl was a fun game to watch. The Holiday Bowl is one of my favorite bowls. That game is always a shootout.

I hate to say it but I think Penn State will beat USC.

LoganBuck
12-31-2008, 01:21 PM
Oregon-Oklahoma State in the Holiday Bowl was a fun game to watch. The Holiday Bowl is one of my favorite bowls. That game is always a shootout.

I hate to say it but I think Penn State will beat USC.

I think Ohio State has a higher probability of beating Texas, than Penn State does of beating USC. I see too many players on USC playing for paychecks. I don't like their chances in either game.

OnBaseMachine
12-31-2008, 03:44 PM
College refs strike again. Oregon State scored a TD with 10 seconds left in the first half but the refs made a bad call and ruled it incomplete. Instead of 10-0 OSU at halftime, it's only 3-0.

OnBaseMachine
12-31-2008, 05:08 PM
Now Oregon State gets penalized for one of their gunners running out of bounds and then back in bounds? :confused: It's not like he touched the ball. OSU was forced to re-punt and instead of Pitt having the ball at their own 10, they now have it at the OSU 40. That's the first time I've ever seen that type of penalty. I still don't understand what happened there. Even the announcers are mystified.

this has been a boring game.

RBA
12-31-2008, 05:56 PM
PAC 10 is now 4-0 in Bowl Games with the Granddaddy of them all left to play.

*BaseClogger*
01-01-2009, 04:13 PM
PAC 10 is now 4-0 in Bowl Games with the Granddaddy of them all left to play.

They look tough at home... ;)

Unassisted
01-01-2009, 08:16 PM
Iowa keeps the Big 10 from going winless by beating South Carolina.

OnBaseMachine
01-01-2009, 08:43 PM
I thought the Rose Bowl would be a lot closer than that.

PSU is a very good team. I was impressed with the talent of guys like Williams and Butler ... I have a lot of respect for Joe Pa and Penn State. I'm glad he's coming back for three more years.

OnBaseMachine
01-01-2009, 08:52 PM
TD Cincy! That was easy. 7-0 Cincy two minutes into the game.

RBA
01-01-2009, 08:57 PM
5-0 Pac 10. Get rid of the BCS.

GAC
01-02-2009, 07:46 AM
TD Cincy! That was easy. 7-0 Cincy two minutes into the game.

I guess they scored too quickly. ;)

Allowing 258 yds rushing and those 4 INTs didn't help the Bearcats either.

The Rose Bowl pretty much turned out like I thought. It really wasn't even as close as the 38-24 score.

Georgia kept shooting themselves in the foot in the first half, which kept MSU in the game.

I was really impressed with Iowa's Greene. That is the only win I predicted for the Big 10 in this year's bowls. I still say that Ohio State was lucky they didn't play Iowa this year (especially in Iowa). ;)

I was impressed with Northwestern though.