Non-Baseball Sport Discussion now belong in "The Tavern"

[Boss-Hog]

All,

After a recent suggestion (http://www.redszone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=72889), we have decided to move all non-baseball related sports threads to redesigned sub-forum of the Non-Baseball Chatter forum. Baseball topics (both major and minor leagues) will continue to stay in their existing forums. I have moved some of the recent applicable threads to the sub-forum, but if you see any I've missed, please use the Report a Post feature and an admin or moderator will move them over.

The name of the previously named "Jungle Talk" sub-forum will tentatively be "The Tavern", but we are open to suggestions if you feel you have a better one. The same rules will apply to this forum as is the case everywhere else on the site. If you have any questions or additional suggestions, please let us know.

Boss

[Mario-Rijo]

Great idea to whoever thoguht of it. :thumbup:

[camisadelgolf]

Great idea to whoever thoguht of it. :thumbup:

I'd like to meet him. Whoever he is, he's already my favorite member of RedsZone.

[Mario-Rijo]

I'd like to meet him. Whoever he is, he's already my favorite member of RedsZone.

You would? Look in the mirror you conceited Weasel! :D;)

[Matt700wlw]

I like the name...The Tavern. It fits for sports conversation.

If it only had some hot bartenders, we'd be set :)

[Danny Serafini]

I like having all the other sports put together in one forum, but is there any chance it could be made a regular forum instead of a sub-forum of Off Topic? If you look at the front page, and there's a new post in The Tavern, but nothing new in Off Topic, it still shows a new post in Off Topic because of The Tavern being a sub-forum. It's a minor thing, but it would make the site a little easier to navigate.

[*BaseClogger*]

I like having all the other sports put together in one forum, but is there any chance it could be made a regular forum instead of a sub-forum of Off Topic? If you look at the front page, and there's a new post in The Tavern, but nothing new in Off Topic, it still shows a new post in Off Topic because of The Tavern being a sub-forum. It's a minor thing, but it would make the site a little easier to navigate.

:thumbup:

Since this is a sports forum, a Non-Baseball Sports forum is more important than a Non-Baseball Chatter forum, is it not?

[camisadelgolf]

I like having all the other sports put together in one forum, but is there any chance it could be made a regular forum instead of a sub-forum of Off Topic? If you look at the front page, and there's a new post in The Tavern, but nothing new in Off Topic, it still shows a new post in Off Topic because of The Tavern being a sub-forum. It's a minor thing, but it would make the site a little easier to navigate.

I would like this, too, but I thought it would have been greedy for me to say so.

[Boss-Hog]

I considered the above idea (making The Tavern a forum, rather than a subforum of Non-Baseball Chatter) but I think it's better classified as the latter. I'm not married to the idea, so if you have any compelling arguments, go right ahead. :)

[camisadelgolf]

I considered the above idea (making The Tavern a forum, rather than a subforum of Non-Baseball Chatter) but I think it's better classified as the latter. I'm not married to the idea, so if you have any compelling arguments, go right ahead. :)

To my knowledge, The Tavern has had more activity than five of the forums:
Game Threads (obviously, since it's the off season)
The Future (partially due to not everyone having access to it)
Fantasy Island
Introductions and Site Feedback
RedsZone Pictures

That, in itself, is a reasonable idea to make it its own forum. To be honest, it wouldn't bother me, personally, if The Tavern were joined with Fantasy Island. I like that they're separate, but like I said, it wouldn't bother me.

[Boss-Hog]

Done...The Tavern is now a forum and Fantasy Island is now a sub-forum of The Tavern.

[camisadelgolf]

Done...The Tavern is now a forum and Fantasy Island is now a sub-forum of The Tavern.

I like it so far. :thumbup:

[Cyclone792]

Looks good, Boss. :thumbup:

[RBA]

Thanks.

[Danny Serafini]

Thanks!

[RFS62]

Well done

[Highlifeman21]

Do they serve peanuts in The Tavern, and if so, are we allowed to throw the shells on the ground?

But most importantly, what beer(s) is/are on tap at that joint?

[macro]

Do they serve peanuts in The Tavern, and if so, are we allowed to throw the shells on the ground?


Yes and yes, and I've been sweeping up shells at the end of the day every day since the joint opened last week. Does no one else around here know how to push a broom?

[Roy Tucker]

Seeing that we're talking about a tavern, I always liked this George Orwell essay on his favorite mythical bar "The Moon Under Water".

http://www.theorwellprize.co.uk/the-award/works/orwellessaymoonunderwater.aspx



George Orwell: The Moon Under Water
Evening Standard, 9 February 1946

My favourite public-house, the Moon Under Water, is only two minutes from a bus stop, but it is on a side-street, and drunks and rowdies never seem to find their way there, even on Saturday nights.

Its clientele, though fairly large, consists mostly of 'regulars' who occupy the same chair every evening and go there for conversation as much as for the beer.

If you are asked why you favour a particular public-house, it would seem natural to put the beer first, but the thing that most appeals to me about the Moon Under Water is what people call its 'atmosphere'.

To begin with, its whole architecture and fittings are uncompromisingly Victorian. It has no glass-topped tables or other modern miseries, and, on the other hand, no sham roof-beams, ingle-nooks or plastic panels masquerading as oak. The grained woodwork, the ornamental mirrors behind the bar, the cast-iron fireplaces, the florid ceiling stained dark yellow by tobacco-smoke, the stuffed bull's head over the mantelpiece — everything has the solid, comfortable ugliness of the nineteenth century.

In winter there is generally a good fire burning in at least two of the bars, and the Victorian lay-out of the place gives one plenty of elbow-room. There are a public bar, a saloon bar, a ladies' bar, a bottle-and-jug for those who are too bashful to buy their supper beer publicly, and, upstairs, a dining-room.

Games are only played in the public, so that in the other bars you can walk about without constantly ducking to avoid flying darts.

In the Moon Under Water it is always quiet enough to talk. The house possesses neither a radio nor a piano, and even on Christmas Eve and such occasions the singing that happens is of a decorous kind.

The barmaids know most of their customers by name, and take a personal interest in everyone. They are all middle-aged women—two of them have their hair dyed in quite surprising shades—and they call everyone 'dear,' irrespective of age or sex. ('Dear,' not 'Ducky': pubs where the barmaid calls you 'ducky' always have a disagreeable raffish atmosphere.)

Unlike most pubs, the Moon Under Water sells tobacco as well as cigarettes, and it also sells aspirins and stamps, and is obliging about letting you use the telephone.

You cannot get dinner at the Moon Under Water, but there is always the snack counter where you can get liver-sausage sandwiches, mussels (a specialty of the house), cheese, pickles and those large biscuits with caraway seeds in them which only seem to exist in public-houses.

Upstairs, six days a week, you can get a good, solid lunch—for example, a cut off the joint, two vegetables and boiled jam roll—for about three shillings.

The special pleasure of this lunch is that you can have draught stout with it. I doubt whether as many as 10 per cent of London pubs serve draught stout, but the Moon Under Water is one of them. It is a soft, creamy sort of stout, and it goes better in a pewter pot.

They are particular about their drinking vessels at the Moon Under Water, and never, for example, make the mistake of serving a pint of beer in a handleless glass. Apart from glass and pewter mugs, they have some of those pleasant strawberry-pink china ones which are now seldom seen in London. China mugs went out about 30 years ago, because most people like their drink to be transparent, but in my opinion beer tastes better out of china.

The great surprise of the Moon Under Water is its garden. You go through a narrow passage leading out of the saloon, and find yourself in a fairly large garden with plane trees, under which there are little green tables with iron chairs round them. Up at one end of the garden there are swings and a chute for the children.

On summer evenings there are family parties, and you sit under the plane trees having beer or draught cider to the tune of delighted squeals from children going down the chute. The prams with the younger children are parked near the gate.

Many as are the virtues of the Moon Under Water, I think that the garden is its best feature, because it allows whole families to go there instead of Mum having to stay at home and mind the baby while Dad goes out alone.

And though, strictly speaking, they are only allowed in the garden, the children tend to seep into the pub and even to fetch drinks for their parents. This, I believe, is against the law, but it is a law that deserves to be broken, for it is the puritanical nonsense of excluding children—and therefore, to some extent, women—from pubs that has turned these places into mere boozing-shops instead of the family gathering-places that they ought to be.

The Moon Under Water is my ideal of what a pub should be—at any rate, in the London area. (The qualities one expects of a country pub are slightly different.)

But now is the time to reveal something which the discerning and disillusioned reader will probably have guessed already. There is no such place as the Moon Under Water.

That is to say, there may well be a pub of that name, but I don't know of it, nor do I know any pub with just that combination of qualities.

I know pubs where the beer is good but you can't get meals, others where you can get meals but which are noisy and crowded, and others which are quiet but where the beer is generally sour. As for gardens, offhand I can only think of three London pubs that possess them.

But, to be fair, I do know of a few pubs that almost come up to the Moon Under Water. I have mentioned above ten qualities that the perfect pub should have and I know one pub that has eight of them. Even there, however, there is no draught stout, and no china mugs.

And if anyone knows of a pub that has draught stout, open fires, cheap meals, a garden, motherly barmaids and no radio, I should be glad to hear of it, even though its name were something as prosaic as the Red Lion or the Railway Arms.