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corkedbat
12-10-2008, 10:06 PM
If Dano or Krivs were still here, you could count on them nabbing a relief prospect at the very least. Not sure how WJ feels about the Draft, but there are two open spots on the 40-man, IIRC.

Are there any intriguing SSs, OFsor Loogys out there you'd like to see them take a shot on?

Mario-Rijo
12-10-2008, 10:13 PM
Well from what I have seen of Walt he seems to poo-poo the idea of looking for diamonds in the ruff, he usually likes to go after known quantities. I 'd guess we don't take anyone. But if we did Pedro Strop RHRP would be my pick and then use him and Juan Francisco to p/u Garrett Atkins or send Strop and more to p/u someone from the Rangers either Nelson Cruz or Elvis Andrus. Both those organizations love Strop but both have thought they could slip him off their rosters at different points.

Tom Servo
12-10-2008, 10:14 PM
Let's take Sergio Valenzuela.

Danny Serafini
12-11-2008, 10:09 AM
Anyone know what time the draft is today?

membengal
12-11-2008, 10:15 AM
Let's take Sergio Valenzuela.

<golf clap>

AmarilloRed
12-11-2008, 10:19 AM
Anyone know what time the draft is today?

I wasn't able to pinpoint it any closer than today during the Winter Meetings.

remdog
12-11-2008, 10:23 AM
Somewhere else I read that Walt and Company would be heading to the airport at approximatly 11:00 AM PST so I'd guess it would be around 9:00 AM PST or about 12:00 EST.

Rem

AmarilloRed
12-11-2008, 10:26 AM
It begins at 12:00 EST.

Danny Serafini
12-11-2008, 10:30 AM
Figures, right as I'm leaving for a little bit. Oh well, I don't expect a whole lot anyway as far as the Reds are concerned.

OnBaseMachine
12-11-2008, 11:47 AM
Rule 5 top pick

MLB.com has learned that the Washington Nationals will take RHP Terrell Young from the Reds organization with the first pick of the Rule 5 Draft today. Young was a 10th round pick in the 2004 draft. He's got a big arm who had a very good second half in 2008. He's very athletic and competitive on the mound and has three above-average pitches.

-- Jonathan Mayo

http://hotstove.mlblogs.com/

corkedbat
12-11-2008, 11:50 AM
Rule 5 top pick

MLB.com has learned that the Washington Nationals will take RHP Terrell Young from the Reds organization with the first pick of the Rule 5 Draft today. Young was a 10th round pick in the 2004 draft. He's got a big arm who had a very good second half in 2008. He's very athletic and competitive on the mound and has three above-average pitches.

-- Jonathan Mayo

http://hotstove.mlblogs.com/

Jimbo gets a Red? He'll probably have to go change his leather pants. Offer him the full rights to Young, Majewski and Hanigan for Flores

RANDY IN INDY
12-11-2008, 11:52 AM
Bowden has an obsession with Reds players.

TRF
12-11-2008, 12:04 PM
Obsession or not, was it a good pick? Who would you have taken if You were the Nats GM?

RANDY IN INDY
12-11-2008, 12:24 PM
Obsession or not, was it a good pick? Who would you have taken if You were the Nats GM?

Hard to say, based on his experience. He has never played above A ball. I don't know if it is worth a roster spot for the whole season.

jojo
12-11-2008, 12:24 PM
Rule 5 top pick

MLB.com has learned that the Washington Nationals will take RHP Terrell Young from the Reds organization with the first pick of the Rule 5 Draft today. Young was a 10th round pick in the 2004 draft. He's got a big arm who had a very good second half in 2008. He's very athletic and competitive on the mound and has three above-average pitches.

-- Jonathan Mayo

http://hotstove.mlblogs.com/

Does this constitute stalking?

cincy09
12-11-2008, 12:29 PM
Reds take David Patton

Doc. Scott
12-11-2008, 12:29 PM
Bowden wasn't even in the Reds organization when Young was drafted. At this point he's just doing it because he can.

corkedbat
12-11-2008, 12:35 PM
Bowden wasn't even in the Reds organization when Young was drafted. At this point he's just doing it because he can.

It's called a fetish

flyer85
12-11-2008, 12:37 PM
It's called a fetish
wouldn't be surprised if Ol' Leatherpants had a few more of those.

OnBaseMachine
12-11-2008, 12:37 PM
Does this constitute stalking?

He's got a decent arm but I don't think anyone expected him to get drafted, especially #1 overall. I think Bowden just views this as a way of getting back at the Reds. No big loss, the Reds probably have seven or eight better relief prospects than Young.

corkedbat
12-11-2008, 12:37 PM
Reds take David Patton

Info on Patton? I didn't find him in a search on mlb

BRM
12-11-2008, 12:38 PM
Info on Patton? I didn't find him in a search on mlb

http://minors.baseball-reference.com/players.cgi?pid=25916

flyer85
12-11-2008, 12:39 PM
Patton, 24, and Johnston, 24, both played at high Class A Modesto this year. Patton has a power arm and had 87 strikeouts in 73 2/3 innings, while Johnston, who had 24 saves, is a strike-thrower with a good sinker. Neither would appear to be ready to pitch in the big leagues next season.

corkedbat
12-11-2008, 12:41 PM
http://minors.baseball-reference.com/players.cgi?pid=25916

Decent at missing bats, how is he at inducing ground balls?

Can't see him sticking

WebScorpion
12-11-2008, 12:45 PM
Bowden wasn't even in the Reds organization when Young was drafted. At this point he's just doing it because he can.
Yea, he was an O' Brien pick. http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/forum/nothingtoadd.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org)

corkedbat
12-11-2008, 12:58 PM
Well, I figured they'd add a leftyfor the pen and bring in a couple of other relief arms from the outside for competition. Guess this is one of those

redsmetz
12-11-2008, 01:13 PM
Decent at missing bats, how is he at inducing ground balls?

Can't see him sticking

I'm wondering if Jocketty thinks a deal can be worked out to keep in our system. That's purely conjecture on my part.

OnBaseMachine
12-11-2008, 01:19 PM
Leatherpants is building his perfect ex-Red team by selecting right-hander Terrell Young with the first pick in the Rule 5 draft. Young was 1-2 with a 2.41 ERA for Class A Sarasota last season, where he pitched out of the bullpen. He certainly has a big arm and has done well since moving to the pen.

Also, the Reds selected RHP Dave Patton of the Rockies, but he will be traded to the Cubs.

http://www.thelotd.com/ctrent/blog

corkedbat
12-11-2008, 01:20 PM
Leatherpants is building his perfect ex-Red team by selecting right-hander Terrell Young with the first pick in the Rule 5 draft. Young was 1-2 with a 2.41 ERA for Class A Sarasota last season, where he pitched out of the bullpen. He certainly has a big arm and has done well since moving to the pen.

Also, the Reds selected RHP Dave Patton of the Rockies, but he will be traded to the Cubs.

http://www.thelotd.com/ctrent/blog

Returning the Josh Hamilton favor? :D

It will be interesting to see if it nets the Reds anything of value for the service.

redsmetz
12-11-2008, 01:36 PM
It will be interesting to see if we do anything in the minor league phases of the draft. I can't remember what we've done there the last few years.

Tom Servo
12-11-2008, 01:38 PM
Goodbye David Patton, we hardly knew ye.

TRF
12-11-2008, 01:41 PM
Goodbye David Patton, we hardly knew ye.


Thank god I read that wrong. For some reason I juxtaposed Cubs and Rockies.

redsmetz
12-11-2008, 01:53 PM
In the AAA phase, the Reds selected Francisco Lizaragga, SS, from the Dodgers Las Vegas club. RHP Henry Arias was selected off Dayton's roster by the Twins Rochester club.

RedLegSuperStar
12-11-2008, 04:10 PM
Reds trade Patton in a pre arranged deal to the Cubs

Sea Ray
12-11-2008, 04:11 PM
Reds trade Patton in a pre arranged deal to the Cubs

What'd we get for him?

Mario-Rijo
12-11-2008, 04:31 PM
Did Strop or Skelton get selected? And I am hoping Henry didn't get picked up but I'm sure we would have heard that by now.

corkedbat
12-11-2008, 04:34 PM
What'd we get for him?

In return, the Cubs are sending us Lou and taking Dusty back. :beerme:

Roy Tucker
12-11-2008, 04:35 PM
What'd we get for him?

"Cash consideration" according to this link.

http://mlb.mlb.com/news/press_releases/press_release.jsp?ymd=20081211&content_id=3713483&vkey=pr_chc&fext=.jsp&c_id=chc

corkedbat
12-11-2008, 04:40 PM
"Cash consideration" according to this link.

http://mlb.mlb.com/news/press_releases/press_release.jsp?ymd=20081211&content_id=3713483&vkey=pr_chc&fext=.jsp&c_id=chc

All going towards the Jermaine Dye relief fund.

klw
12-11-2008, 04:45 PM
What'd we get for him?

Probably the money back that the Reds paid the Cubs for Hamilton. :D:D:D

Gallen5862
03-19-2009, 10:52 PM
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/



Rays Take Eduardo Morlan Back

By Tim Dierkes [March 19 at 11:17am CST]
According to Tom Haudricourt of the Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel, the Rays reclaimed pitcher Eduardo Morlan today.* Morlan had been a Rule 5 pick by the Brewers.* To keep a Rule 5 pick you have to keep him on the Major League roster all year, so it can be tough for a contender to pull off.* The Rays paid $25K to take Morlan back; a deal could not be reached to keep him with Milwaukee.*

Morlan, 23 in March, posted solid numbers in Double A last year for the Rays.*

Full Story*|* Comments (7)*|*Categories: Eduardo Morlan | Milwaukee Brewers | Tampa Bay Rays

Gallen5862
03-19-2009, 10:54 PM
How is RHP Terrell Young doing with the Nationals? Should the Reds try to either include him in a trade or buy him back if offered?

redsmetz
03-20-2009, 05:33 AM
Since this thread has been resurrected, here's a story from the Auburn (WA) Reporter on David Patton, the guy we drafted and sold to the Cubs:


Former-Gator pitcher David Patton vies for spot on Chicago Cubs major league roster

By ERICK WALKER
Auburn Reporter Sports Reporter
Mar 18 2009, 3:04 PM UPDATED

He has the arm, one that can dial up high-90 mile per hour fastballs with regularity.

He has the ability, too.

Now, thanks to a whirlwind mid-December afternoon, Kentridge product David Patton finally has the opportunity for which he has waited a lifetime.

“It happened around Christmas, and I was with my family,” Patton explained rather matter-of-factly. “It is how I’d like it to be.”

The unflappable, ice-water-in-the-veins reaction to that life-changing day was vintage Patton. It’s how he is. It’s how, as a professional relief pitcher who enters baseball games with runners on base and the game on the line, he has to be.

In a span of just a few hours last Dec. 12, Patton was selected from the Colorado Rockies by the Cincinnati Reds with the seventh overall pick in the Rule 5 Draft. But less than the time it takes to complete an entire nine-inning game, Patton was shipped from the Reds to the Chicago Cubs for cash.

“You could say it’s my big break,” said Patton, a right-handed pitcher who originally was selected in the 12th round out of Green River Community College by Colorado in the June 2004 draft, but has yet to pitch an inning above high Single-A. “I have an opportunity to make a major league roster. This is probably one of the biggest opportunities I’ve ever had in my life. Getting the chance to play for the Cubs is a dream I’ve had all my life.”

Being chosen in the Rule 5 Draft, however, has certain, somewhat complicated, caveats.

For beginners, the only reason Patton was eligible for the draft is because he has spent five years in the minor leagues and has never advanced above Single-A. Any player who has been with an organization for five years and has not been slotted on the parent club’s 40-man roster automatically becomes eligible for the Rule 5 Draft.

But what makes this Patton’s greatest opportunity to date lies in the governing rules to that draft. Any player who is selected must remain on the team’s 25-man major league roster for the entire upcoming season or be offered back to his original organization. In Patton’s case, that means sticking with the Cubs for the entire upcoming season or be offered back to the Rockies.

Which helps explain Patton’s excitement – albeit subdued – during that mid-December afternoon.

“My agent called and said, ‘Seventh round by the Reds,’” said Patton, a relief pitcher who’s armed with a high-90s fastball, a knee-buckling curveball and a developing changeup. “So I talked with a couple buddies I knew who played for the Reds … then I was on the computer fooling around and I got a call from the Cubs. I was kind of shocked.

“It took me completely by surprise.”

Now, Patton’s hoping to take the Cubs’ brass by surprise, because at the moment, he’s slightly more than a blip on the radar in a rather crowded bullpen this spring. Though he's quickly making a name for himself as he entered play Wednesday having allowed five hits and one earned run while striking out six in 5 1/3 innings over four appearances.

But the arms race with the Cubs remains a white-knuckle battle. The team is expected to break spring camp in late March with seven relief pitchers. Two of those slots already have been filled with veterans Kevin Gregg and Carlos Marmol.

Meanwhile, Sean Marshall, Aaron Heilman and Jeff Samardzija are currently battling for the fifth spot in the starting rotation. Two of the three likely will end up in the bullpen, shrinking the number of available slots in the bullpen down to three. Add in Neal Cotts, the team’s lone left-handed reliever, and Patton’s situation becomes even more pressure-packed.

“I think it’s probably going to be harder to earn a spot, and easier to lose it,” manager Lou Piniella said in an article that appeared in the Chicago Tribune newspaper earlier this week.

Patton, however, isn’t bothered by the numbers crunch.

He’s more interested in the potential that lies ahead.

“I wouldn’t say I’m nervous,” the 24-year-old said. “I’m more excited. This is what I’ve always wanted. This is an opportunity to learn and see how they go about their business. I consider myself a professional and I take care of myself pretty well. I also grew up a die-hard Mariners fan in Seattle, when Lou was the manager.”

Patton also has history on his side as several current major leaguers have been selected in the Rule 5 Draft and have made healthy careers for themselves. The list includes New York Mets pitcher Johan Santana, Florida second baseman Dan Uggla and Philadelphia outfielder Shane Victorino.

“When you get another team ready to put their name on you, to grab you in the Rule 5 Draft … a lot of players have come out of that,” Patton said. “It’s definitely a great opportunity. Any movement is good movement. To get a shot at making the club, it’s just an unbelievable feeling.”

Miscast as a starting pitcher upon being drafted out of Green River, Patton got off to a somewhat slow start, posting a 5-11 record and 6.79 ERA in 29 appearances (18 starts) in his first two professional seasons.

Since 2006, when he was shifted to the bullpen, Patton has been one of the top relief pitchers in the minor leagues. Last season with the Modesto Nuts (Colorado’s High-A affiliate), Patton went 4-5 with four saves, a 3.54 ERA and a career-high 87 strikeouts in 50 innings pitched. In addition, he limited opponents to a .214 batting average with runners on base.

But more telling might be Patton’s velocity. When he was originally drafted in 2004, his fastball was hitting the low-90s on a steady basis. Today, he sits between 94 and 96 and can get as high as 97.

“He always had a funky delivery and the ball just exploded out of his hand,” recalled Kentridge coach John Flanigan. “He played basketball for me at Northwood Junior High, and you would have never thought in eighth or ninth grade that he’d be a major league pitcher. It shows what hard work and sticking with it does.”

If Patton makes the Cubs’ opening day roster, he will become KR’s first-ever major league baseball player.

But Patton’s not alone among Chargers on the diamond rise. Mason Tobin, a 2005 Kentridge graduate and right-handed pitcher, currently is the No. 10 overall prospect with the Los Angeles Angels and finished last season with Cedar Rapids, the organization’s Low-A affiliate.

For now, however, all Patton cares about is the task at hand. He realizes things are crowded in the Chicago bullpen.

But after five years in the minors, he also knows this is the best chance he’s had to date. And he anticipates taking full advantage.

“My goal is to go out there and give it everything I have,” he said. “If I make the club, that would just be unbelievable.”