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texasdave
12-11-2008, 12:20 PM
Or so the rumor goes:


Rule 5 top pick
MLB.com has learned that the Washington Nationals will take RHP Terrell Young from the Reds organization with the first pick of the Rule 5 Draft today. Young was a 10th round pick in the 2004 draft. He's got a big arm who had a very good second half in 2008. He's very athletic and competitive on the mound and has three above-average pitches.

This was posted on the Hot Stove blogs on MLB.com.

Kc61
12-11-2008, 12:27 PM
Or so the rumor goes:



This was posted on the Hot Stove blogs on MLB.com.

Bowden.

One of the hazards of drafting high school pitchers. The rules don't give you very many years to develop them before they have to be protected or exposed to the draft.

JayBruceFan
12-11-2008, 12:29 PM
Dang

He was just starting to throw well

He probably wouldn't stick with most clubs but considering how bad the Nationals are pitching wise he will probably get some innings

Az. Reds Fan
12-11-2008, 12:36 PM
It's really hard to believe that Young will stick with the Nats for all of '09. But then again you know Bowden will find some loophole (injury) to keep from having to return him.

M2
12-11-2008, 01:04 PM
The only question with Young is whether the Reds will want him back after he doesn't make the Nats 25-man. I've got doubts that kid could last a whole year on a AA roster.

markymark69
12-11-2008, 01:04 PM
If this for the Major League roster. Remember he must stay on the Nats ML roster all season or be offered back to the Reds. So he may be back.

Orenda
12-11-2008, 01:09 PM
how does the minor league phase work?

princeton
12-11-2008, 01:10 PM
The only question with Young is whether the Reds will want him back after he doesn't make the Nats 25-man. I've got doubts that kid could last a whole year on a AA roster.


JimBo's too stubborn to return him. He'll stick, he'll be dreadful, and he'll never go above AA again.

Orenda
12-11-2008, 01:29 PM
Russell Haltiwanger has been selected in the AAA phase

texasdave
12-11-2008, 01:32 PM
Reds pick up Francisco Lizarraga (shortstop from the Dodgers AA Jacksonville roster) and lose some pitcher by the name of Henry Arias from Chattanooga in the AAA portion of the Rule 5 draft.

redsof72
12-11-2008, 01:45 PM
Lizarraga is a Single-A shortstop, probably a guy they want in case they don't want to play Buchholz at short in Dayton. They did not really have anyone else.

Arias was the guy they got for Brad Salman. Did not show much, although he does throw hard.

Young is a brutal pick by Washington. How often would you see a team select a player that they have to keep in the majors for a year when that same player could quite possibly been released out of A-ball by his original organization. He does not throw as hard as some want to say. He was around 90-92 most of the time in Dayton. Very questionable makeup, but a nice kid.

redsof72
12-11-2008, 01:46 PM
Reds get David Patton.

Edit: Sorry, I see it is already being covered in another thread.

OnBaseMachine
12-11-2008, 01:52 PM
James Skelton went #11 to Arizona. Nice pick but I'm not sure why they need him since the already have Montero and Snyder.

dougdirt
12-11-2008, 01:54 PM
James Skelton went #11 to Arizona. Nice pick but I'm not sure why they need him since the already have Montero and Snyder.

They are rumored to be shopping both guys in the hopes of trading one of them. Skelton would then be the backup.

OnBaseMachine
12-11-2008, 02:02 PM
They are rumored to be shopping both guys in the hopes of trading one of them. Skelton would then be the backup.

Yeah but I read yesterday that they are planning on hanging on to both of those guys. Could have just been a ploy though...

camisadelgolf
12-11-2008, 02:44 PM
The Twins are the ones who grabbed Arias, by the way.

RedlegJake
12-11-2008, 02:49 PM
Yeah but I read yesterday that they are planning on hanging on to both of those guys. Could have just been a ploy though...

Yesterday they may have been. Now they have Skelton that may change things.

dougdirt
12-11-2008, 02:52 PM
Yesterday they may have been. Now they have Skelton that may change things.

Yeah, I am thinking someone made a strong offer but they had to say 'we will get back to you after we explore our options for another catcher' and they probably didn't expect Skelton to fall to them. When he was there they were probably like 'Sweet, lets take this kid and move one of those guys'. Just me thinking out loud, and I really doubt the Dbacks GM said sweet.... but still.

Bip Roberts
12-11-2008, 03:16 PM
his name should have been Skeletor

TOBTTReds
12-11-2008, 04:07 PM
He (TY) does not throw as hard as some want to say. He was around 90-92 most of the time in Dayton. Very questionable makeup, but a nice kid.

He was around 95-96 at the end of the year and in instructs. I don't think there was a chance he was getting released, that is a ridiculous statement whether you are trying to nail the Nats or not.

King Koopa
12-11-2008, 04:14 PM
Its a drag that they picked up Young, I really like his potential, he's personally one of my favorite prospects in the organization to be honest. I hope they offer him back, but Jimbo probably won't do that. Sucks :(

15fan
12-11-2008, 04:24 PM
James Skelton went #11 to Arizona. Nice pick but I'm not sure why they need him since the already have Montero and Snyder.

Skelton was a pretty good guard for Randy Ayers in the early 90s.

Maybe they think he can still stroke the 3 consistently enough to keep defenses from sagging around Amare Stoudamire.

camisadelgolf
12-11-2008, 04:27 PM
He was around 95-96 at the end of the year and in instructs. I don't think there was a chance he was getting released, that is a ridiculous statement whether you are trying to nail the Nats or not.

I could actually see a decent argument for releasing Young. He's been with the organization for quite a while, and his improvements haven't really translated to the field. I really doubt it would have happened, but the Reds have a lot of pitching depth in the upper minors, and I could have seen Young being one of the more likely guys to be released or traded.

SMcGavin
12-11-2008, 04:40 PM
Yeah, I am thinking someone made a strong offer but they had to say 'we will get back to you after we explore our options for another catcher' and they probably didn't expect Skelton to fall to them. When he was there they were probably like 'Sweet, lets take this kid and move one of those guys'. Just me thinking out loud, and I really doubt the Dbacks GM said sweet.... but still.

If I was the DBacks GM, I'd have said "sweet". I love the catching on that team.

Orenda
12-11-2008, 04:50 PM
Its a drag that they picked up Young, I really like his potential, he's personally one of my favorite prospects in the organization to be honest. I hope they offer him back, but Jimbo probably won't do that. Sucks :(

I wonder if Jimbo thought the reds might not want to pay to get Young back. They let the Padres keep Guevara last season, so barring a strong showing in Washington by Young and I wouldn't be surprised if the reds let them keep him anyhow.

Mario-Rijo
12-11-2008, 06:12 PM
Skelton was a pretty good guard for Randy Ayers in the early 90s.

Maybe they think he can still stroke the 3 consistently enough to keep defenses from sagging around Amare Stoudamire.

Wow, an Ayers reference. I didn't think I'd hear that name today, he graduated from my High School. Although I don't recall Skelton the player the name sounds familiar.

Anyhow nice pick up for Arizona. Did anyone see if Pedro Strop got selected?

New Fever
12-11-2008, 06:44 PM
Kevin Goldstein said this about Terrell Young:

Nationals: Terrell Young, RHP, Reds
By the time you read this, chances are good that Young has already been sold, for as much as $200,000. It's easy to argue that he's the best pure arm in the draft, with a plus-plus fastball, but he's also a guy with a very long injury history, command problems, and no real second pitch. He offers plenty to dream on, but it's a pretty distant dream and no sure thing.

RedsManRick
12-13-2008, 01:40 PM
Wow, an Ayers reference. I didn't think I'd hear that name today, he graduated from my High School.

Ayers and my mom were friends in High School. That's my claim to fame :cool:

Mario-Rijo
12-13-2008, 04:07 PM
Ayers and my mom were friends in High School. That's my claim to fame :cool:

Did you go to Springfield North also Rick or just your mom? BTW He was also a friend of my mom's family.

sixfigure
12-13-2008, 04:53 PM
lets face it he was into moms....:cool:

Mario-Rijo
12-13-2008, 08:00 PM
lets face it he was into moms....:cool:

I knew that was coming. :p:

redsof72
12-13-2008, 09:22 PM
TOBTTReds, you may think it was a ridiculous statement that there was consideration to releasing Young. Sorry. My source was Wayne Krivsky in April while he was still GM and Young had basically dropped off to the point of being used as a mop-up man in his third year in the Midwest League. My bad. I need to find some better sources.

camisadelgolf
12-14-2008, 05:11 AM
TOBTTReds, you may think it was a ridiculous statement that there was consideration to releasing Young. Sorry. My source was Wayne Krivsky in April while he was still GM and Young had basically dropped off to the point of being used as a mop-up man in his third year in the Midwest League. My bad. I need to find some better sources.

:D

RedsManRick
12-14-2008, 03:48 PM
Did you go to Springfield North also Rick or just your mom? BTW He was also a friend of my mom's family.

Just my mom. She's a year younger than Ayers though and moved from Springfield to Bellefontaine/Indian Lake in for her senior year.

In the early 90's we lived in State College, PA. My mom's office was across from a Damon's restaurant. One day she noticed the OSU basketball team (in town for a game vs PSU) pull up for lunch. So she headed over and had a quick little 20 year reunion. Apparently he didn't have the afro she remembered.

11larkin11
12-14-2008, 04:55 PM
Just my mom. She's a year younger than Ayers though and moved from Springfield to Bellefontaine/Indian Lake in for her senior year.

In the early 90's we lived in State College, PA. My mom's office was across from a Damon's restaurant. One day she noticed the OSU basketball team (in town for a game vs PSU) pull up for lunch. So she headed over and had a quick little 20 year reunion. Apparently he didn't have the afro she remembered.

Thats where I'm from!

TOBTTReds
12-14-2008, 06:56 PM
TOBTTReds, you may think it was a ridiculous statement that there was consideration to releasing Young. Sorry. My source was Wayne Krivsky in April while he was still GM and Young had basically dropped off to the point of being used as a mop-up man in his third year in the Midwest League. My bad. I need to find some better sources.

There is a reason Wayne isn't here anymore;)

Sorry to sound harsh. If Wayne had consulted anyone but himself, there is no way TY gets released. I'm not going to name my sources to justify mt comments either. But there is just no reason to release him. Unless you thought he was a bad apple that was ruining the bunch. He had some marks on his personal record, and that may be why he was held back more than his performance.

Also, it was his second year in the Midwest, 7 innings doesn't count as a year at a level.

redsof72
12-14-2008, 09:45 PM
No GM would demand that a player be released based on performance if there were objections from his key player development people. All I am saying is that they were running extremely short on patience with Terrell early in the season and it was within the realm of possibility that he could have been released out of A-ball. Terrell is not a bad apple at all, though he did have one significant issue this season. He comes from a very different background and you may know that, interestingly enough, he did not start playing baseball until the high school coach saw him playing dodgeball in the gym and asked him to come out for the baseball team.

Anytime a player is moved up a level despite the fact that he did not do anything on the field to show he should be moved up (as was the case when Terrell was moved from Dayton to Sarasota), it is either because there is a need at that position at a higher level, or because they have determined that they have nothing to lose by moving the player up and finding out if he is going to "sink or swim." If he had performed poorly in Sarasota, I believe that would have been the end of the line for him.

OnBaseMachine
03-29-2009, 01:03 PM
* Don't expect to see Rule 5 draft pick Terrell Young again this spring training. Though he is now beginning a throwing program with pitching coach Randy St. Claire, the first step back after a right shoulder flare-up, Manager Manny Acta said today that the exhibition season could be over by the time Young is ready to go. This all but end Young's chances to stick on the 40-man roster. The team can retain the 23-year-old if it works out a trade with Cincinnati, Young's previous team.

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/nationalsjournal/2009/03/lineups_versus_mets.html?wprss=nationalsjournal

Gallen5862
03-29-2009, 07:31 PM
Should the Reds take Terrell Young back? I think the Reds should unless they get a good offer from the Nationals. It seems like he had a injury. This way Reds can get him back and put him on the Minor League DL or send him to extended Spring training.

redsmetz
03-29-2009, 09:14 PM
* Don't expect to see Rule 5 draft pick Terrell Young again this spring training. Though he is now beginning a throwing program with pitching coach Randy St. Claire, the first step back after a right shoulder flare-up, Manager Manny Acta said today that the exhibition season could be over by the time Young is ready to go. This all but end Young's chances to stick on the 40-man roster. The team can retain the 23-year-old if it works out a trade with Cincinnati, Young's previous team.

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/nationalsjournal/2009/03/lineups_versus_mets.html?wprss=nationalsjournal

They can place him on the DL while keeping him on the 40 man roster. If they place him on the 60 day DL, they free up the spot. The caveat is that he must be active for 90 days in the season, so if he isn't, the time to keep him on the 40 man roster will be extended into next season. This is from Wikipedia and I'm fairly sure it correctly states the rule.


To prevent the abuse of the Rule 5 draft, the rule also states that the draftee must be active for at least 90 days. This keeps teams from drafting players, then placing them on the disabled list for the majority of the season. For example, if a Rule 5 draftee was only active for 67 days in his first season with his new club, he must be active for an additional 23 games in his second season to satisfy the Rule 5 requirements.

corkedbat
03-30-2009, 02:12 AM
Willingham for Kepp, Young and Masset

Scrap Irony
03-30-2009, 05:30 PM
Dukes for Kepp, Young and Massett

BEETTLEBUG
03-30-2009, 05:37 PM
I like that one ScrapIron.

Mario-Rijo
03-31-2009, 04:56 PM
Dukes for Kepp, Young and Massett

They can keep that nutjob, change it to Milledge and you got a deal. :D

redsof72
05-12-2009, 04:42 PM
Terrell Young officially returned to Reds today.

Kingspoint
05-12-2009, 04:48 PM
Bowden.

One of the hazards of drafting high school pitchers. The rules don't give you very many years to develop them before they have to be protected or exposed to the draft.


Thus, Mesoraco playing in a league he doesn't belong in right now.

DTCromer
05-12-2009, 07:33 PM
Thus, Mesoraco playing in a league he doesn't belong in right now.

True, but he started off extremely slow in Dayton last year. I look for him to get much better by season's end. Besides, I'm more concerned about his progression on defense. A normal track for a catcher would of the Yadier Molina's of the world.

Kingspoint
05-12-2009, 11:34 PM
True, but he started off extremely slow in Dayton last year. I look for him to get much better by season's end. Besides, I'm more concerned about his progression on defense. A normal track for a catcher would of the Yadier Molina's of the world.

He had the injury last year early. He did recover from that. Throwing out only 3 of 33 baserunners is disturbing.

Gallen5862
05-14-2009, 03:26 PM
Terrell Young has been returned to the Reds and on Louisville roster. Where does Young now rate on the Reds prospect list? Do the Reds put Bray on 60 day DL in order to create a roster spot for another move?

http://www.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?t=t_ros&did=milb&cid=416

Louisville Bats
writeData();Managers & Coaches (click column headers to sort)
# Name Pos Bat Thw Ht Wt DOB Status
16 Rick Sweet Manager S R 6' 1" 200 09-07-1952 Active
44 Adrian Garrett Batting Coach L R 6' 3" 185 01-03-1943 Active
48 Ted Power Pitching Coach R R 6' 4" 225 01-31-1955 Active


Pitchers (click column headers to sort)
# Name Pos Bat Thw Ht Wt DOB Status MLB 40-man
34 Homer Bailey P R R 6' 3" 210 05-03-1986 Active Yes
45 Bill Bray P L L 6' 3" 220 06-05-1983 7-day DL Yes
49 Carlos Fisher P R R 6' 4" 225 02-22-1983 Active Yes
38 Ben Jukich P L L 6' 5" 205 10-17-1982 Active No
50 Jeff Kennard P R R 6' 2" 220 07-26-1981 Active No
21 Sam LeCure P R R 6' 1" 205 05-04-1984 Active Yes
22 Matt Maloney P L L 6' 4" 220 01-16-1984 Active Yes
43 Robert Manuel P R R 6' 3" 205 07-09-1983 Active Yes
23 Adam Pettyjohn P R L 6' 3" 200 06-11-1977 Active No
57 Ramon Ramirez P R R 6' 0" 190 09-16-1982 Active Yes
17 Josh Roenicke P R R 6' 3" 195 08-04-1982 Active Yes
40 Daryl Thompson P R R 6' 0" 185 11-02-1985 Active Yes
47 Pedro Viola P R L 6' 1" 185 06-29-1983 Active No
Terrell Young P R R 6' 2" 195 08-07-1985 Reassigned No


Catchers (click column headers to sort)
# Name Pos Bat Thw Ht Wt DOB Status MLB 40-man
25 Wilkin Castillo C S R 6' 0" 200 06-01-1984 Active Yes
26 Brian Peterson C R R 6' 2" 225 10-22-1978 Active No
27 Craig Tatum C R R 6' 1" 225 03-18-1983 Active Yes


Infielders (click column headers to sort)
# Name Pos Bat Thw Ht Wt DOB Status MLB 40-man
39 Kevin Barker 1B L L 6' 2" 195 07-26-1975 Active No
10 Luis Bolivar SS R R 6' 0" 180 02-15-1981 Active No
24 Danny Richar 2B L R 6' 1" 195 06-09-1983 Active No
9 Drew Sutton 2B S R 6' 3" 185 06-30-1983 Active Yes
11 Chris Valaika SS R R 6' 0" 215 08-14-1985 7-day DL No


Outfielders (click column headers to sort)
# Name Pos Bat Thw Ht Wt DOB Status MLB 40-man
18 Wes Bankston OF R R 6' 4" 215 11-27-1983 Active No
31 Daniel Dorn LF L L 6' 2" 190 07-20-1984 Active No
30 Jonny Gomes RF R R 6' 1" 225 11-22-1980 Active No
12 Norris Hopper OF R R 5' 11" 205 03-24-1979 Active No
7 Drew Stubbs CF R R 6' 4" 205 10-04-1984 Active No

Gallen5862
05-14-2009, 04:01 PM
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/




Terrell Young Returned To Reds

By Drew Silva [May 14 at 12:59pm CST]
According to Mark Zuckerman of the Washington Times, the Nationals have returned Rule 5 pick*Terrell Young*to the Reds' organization.

The 23-year-old right-hander was the first overall pick in December's Rule 5 draft. *He injured his shoulder during spring training, however, and did not throw a pitch for the Nats. Washington will be returned $25K of the $50K they originally paid to draft him.

Sea Ray
05-18-2009, 05:02 PM
The 23-year-old right-hander was the first overall pick in December's Rule 5 draft. *He injured his shoulder during spring training, however, and did not throw a pitch for the Nats. Washington will be returned $25K of the $50K they originally paid to draft him.

Is he even healthy right now?

dougdirt
05-18-2009, 09:47 PM
Is he even healthy right now?

No, he isn't.