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camisadelgolf
12-11-2008, 03:07 PM
He was the Reds' only pick in the minor league portion of the rule five draft. Because he was drafted in the AAA portion, he must spend the entire year in AA or higher.

Anyway, if you haven't already, take a moment to check out his stats.

http://minors.baseball-reference.com/players.cgi?pid=30921

He's really, really bad. He cost only $12,000, so I'm not complaining or anything. I'm guessing that he'll be on Carolina's bench, but I don't know why he would be needed because Jose Castro and Justin Tordi are both capable of playing the infield.

Anyway, just a few more things about him. He's 6'1", 170 pounds, 23 years old, a switch hitter, plays the middle infield (but not exceptionally well, I believe), and is from Mexico (like three others in the organization: Oscar Castro, Daniel Guerrero, and Humberto Sosa).

He was also a MWL All-Star in 2007, but don't get excited--he had a .677 OPS, so it was probably a result of slim pickings. The thing I'm wondering, though, is if the Reds think they have a potential steal on a guy who might have suddenly had a breakthrough in his development. In 2008, he was briefly in AAA on a temporary assignment, and while he was there, he was very un-Francisco Lizarraga-like and performed very well over 42 at-bats (.310/.420/.381).

Yeah, well, the official Francisco Lizarraga thread has begun. Have at it. I'm thinking this won't get too much feedback.

NorrisHopper30
12-11-2008, 03:13 PM
At least he has a cool name.

Orenda
12-11-2008, 03:29 PM
It makes me wonder about teams strategies of the rule 5. Is there any difference between the AAA phase and the AA phase?

camisadelgolf
12-11-2008, 04:19 PM
It makes me wonder about teams strategies of the rule 5. Is there any difference between the AAA phase and the AA phase?

The only difference worth mentioning is cost ($12,000 for AAA and $4,000 for AA). Other than that, it's just a few details that don't really mean anything.

RED VAN HOT
12-11-2008, 04:27 PM
Makes sense. With the departure of Elizardo Ramirez we were down one lizzard.

camisadelgolf
12-11-2008, 04:29 PM
Makes sense. With the departure of Elizardo Ramirez we were down one lizzard.

That's a good point. He's the only lizard in the organization right now, so I hope we don't see him get too drained toward the end of the season.

Mario-Rijo
12-11-2008, 06:18 PM
Nothing but hope, but if he really did have a breakthrough it's much needed here. He was definitely not going anywhere with Hu and DeJesus there.

redsmetz
12-12-2008, 06:47 AM
The only thought that crossed my mind is perhaps we think he can pitch and want to convert him. I dismissed that mostly because, I think, you usually want to drop a guy back a level or two to begin as a pitcher and you certainly can't do that with the Rule 5 rules.

redsfandan
12-12-2008, 09:35 AM
I had hoped that he could at least be a backup defensive infielder. Now I'll be curious to hear Walt's reason.

Kc61
12-12-2008, 10:37 AM
Probably they needed some depth at middle infield at the AA level. Sometimes you need to make sure you have enough guys to field a team.

Rounding Third
12-13-2008, 01:38 PM
Probably they needed some depth at middle infield at the AA level. Sometimes you need to make sure you have enough guys to field a team.

I prefer the Lizard theory

camisadelgolf
12-13-2008, 03:11 PM
I prefer the Lizard theory

Unless the Reds are going to cut guys like Justin Tordi and Jose Castro soon, it actually makes more sense.

mth123
12-13-2008, 03:30 PM
I think its pretty simple. This organization is woefuly short on guys who can capably play the MI defensively. Right now I got Janish, Jose Castro, Zach Cozart and after that I'm struggling to find anybody else for the list. this team has several 3B and OF in the making manning the MI spots.

camisadelgolf
12-13-2008, 03:34 PM
I think its pretty simple. This organization is woefuly short on guys who can capably play the MI defensively. Right now I got Janish, Jose Castro, Zach Cozart and after that I'm struggling to find anybody else for the list. this team has several 3B and OF in the making manning the MI spots.

Speaking of which, I haven't heard Mike DeJesus' name in a while. I wonder what he's up to.

Are you including guys in the lower levels because there are a few players who seem to do well at shortstop.

Either way, you might add Luis Bolivar to the list. And why wouldn't Valaika play a capable middle infield?

mth123
12-13-2008, 03:40 PM
Speaking of which, I haven't heard Mike DeJesus' name in a while. I wonder what he's up to.

Are you including guys in the lower levels because there are a few players who seem to do well at shortstop.

Either way, you might add Luis Bolivar to the list. And why wouldn't Valaika play a capable middle infield?

All we've heard about Valaika since the Reds got him is "if he can stick," "if he can stay at SS", etc. If there are questions about his MI defense I don't really want him on either side of 2B. I have a feeling Valaika would play 2B the way Freel played 2B.

Mario-Rijo
12-13-2008, 04:12 PM
Speaking of which, I haven't heard Mike DeJesus' name in a while. I wonder what he's up to.

Are you including guys in the lower levels because there are a few players who seem to do well at shortstop.

Either way, you might add Luis Bolivar to the list. And why wouldn't Valaika play a capable middle infield?

I think Valaika even with the knock that Mth is talking about is still a more than capable MI. He may not be ideal but he's certainly capable. Just semantics I know but perhaps the reason for the confusion here.

camisadelgolf
12-13-2008, 07:13 PM
I'd also like to throw Drew M. Anderson, Kevyn Feiner, and Jake Kahaulelio on the list.

redsof72
12-13-2008, 09:11 PM
I am not sure about the statement that he has to spend the season in Double-A or higher, unless that is a recent change. For a number of years, only players taken in the major league phase of the Rule V had assignment stipulations. Did you get that information from a good source? I have never heard of a player taken in the minor league Rule V being offered back to his former organization. I am curious about this because I figured Lizarraga was taken as insurance in the event that they decided Buchholz could not play shortstop and they would need a shortstop in Dayton.

Mario-Rijo
12-13-2008, 09:51 PM
I am not sure about the statement that he has to spend the season in Double-A or higher, unless that is a recent change. For a number of years, only players taken in the major league phase of the Rule V had assignment stipulations. Did you get that information from a good source? I have never heard of a player taken in the minor league Rule V being offered back to his former organization. I am curious about this because I figured Lizarraga was taken as insurance in the event that they decided Buchholz could not play shortstop and they would need a shortstop in Dayton.

It seems like I have heard of that but according to this maybe not. However I don't know if this was posted before or after the previous CBA.

SOSH Wikipedia (http://www.sonsofsamhorn.net/wiki/index.php/MLB_Rules_and_Procedures)


Minor League Phases
There are also two minor league phases to the Rule 5 draft: the AAA and AA phase. In addition to setting a 40-man roster, organizations are required to submit a AAA and AA roster of players eligible for the Rule 5 draft. Note that these rosters are larger than regular-season AAA and AA rosters and their composition during this phase is determined by the organizations evaluation of a player, not the player's current level; the organization will place players they value more highly on the AAA roster.

After the Major League phase, the AAA phase takes place, in which other organizations can pluck players on other teams' AA rosters. During the AA phase, organizations can take Rule 5-eligible players on neither roster. The minor league Rule 5 draft is primarily a roster-filling exercise and players taken rarely reach the major leagues, not to mention establish themselves as big-league players. Unlike the Major League phase, players drafted in the AAA phase are not required to play at AAA, nor are AA draftees required to play in AA. It costs $12,000 to select a player in the AAA phase and $4,000 in the AA phase.