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Krusty
12-17-2008, 11:47 AM
Anyone else think the Reds might be inquiring about this centerfielder. Righthand hitter and the type the Reds can put in the middle of the lineup. Word out of Toronto is the Blue Jays might be sold and they might look to trim payroll, especially with A.J. Burnett signing with the Yankees.

So would a packaged deal of Bailey, Dickerson and maybe another prospect for Wells work for both sides? Wells can opt out of his contract in 2010. He has five years remaining on his original deal signed in December of 2006. Of course he would have to waive his no-trade clause and the Blue Jays are responsible for the 25.5 million signing bonus. But it might not be a bad deal for the Reds even if he opts out after the 2010 season.

Wells agreed back in 2006 to a seven-year, $126 million contract extension with the Toronto Blue Jays. Wells' pact, the sixth-largest in baseball history, would give him a $25.5 million signing bonus, no-trade clause and guarantee him the right to opt out of his contract after four years. In addition, he could earn bonuses of $250,000 for MVP, $200,000 for World Series MVP, $150,000 for league championship series MVP and $100,000 for receiving the most votes in his league in All-Star game balloting.

Chip R
12-17-2008, 11:54 AM
Anyone else think the Reds might be inquiring about this centerfielder. Righthand hitter and the type the Reds can put in the middle of the lineup. Word out of Toronto is the Blue Jays might be sold and they might look to trim payroll, especially with A.J. Burnett signing with the Yankees.

So would a packaged deal of Bailey, Dickerson and maybe another prospect for Wells work for both sides?


Centrefielder bats leadoff, dude.

RedEye
12-17-2008, 11:57 AM
I'm not sure about Wells. He seems to be a rather schizophrenic performer, putting up great numbers one year and abysmal ones the next. He's also rather injury prone and has a HUGE contract. However, he's at least as good as any of the other names we've thrown around and he is, or at least was, a terrific outfielder. Hmmm...

Krusty
12-17-2008, 11:57 AM
Centrefielder bats leadoff, dude.

If he is putting out these stats in the leadoff spot, then I hate to see what he would do in the middle of the lineup.



http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/stats?playerId=4166

Redhook
12-17-2008, 12:06 PM
If he is putting out these stats in the leadoff spot, then I hate to see what he would do in the middle of the lineup.



http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/stats?playerId=4166

I believe he was referring to the fact that Dusty would bat Babe Ruth in the leadoff spot if he played CF. CF = Leadoff in Dusty's world.

Wells batted 4th for the Jays most of last year as well.

The_jbh
12-17-2008, 12:06 PM
Id rather go after Rios. He had a down year but I think could really produce for us. I'm not opposed to Wells if the price is right though

Mario-Rijo
12-17-2008, 01:06 PM
Id rather go after Rios. He had a down year but I think could really produce for us. I'm not opposed to Wells if the price is right though

Yeah I'd much rather have Rios ($$$). Wells contract is a killer for hopes of re-signing some of our current youth prior to them testing FA themselves. If your gonna sign Bruce, Votto, Cueto and Volquez or some combination of them in advance you'd wanna do it well before 2013. Seems a bit prohibitive too me. But if I did deal for him I'd probably rather them take on a package of something like Arroyo and Stubbs plus maybe another 'spect. That way we could send a few dollars back, but this doesn't seem like a situation that you could realistically do that.

cincrazy
12-17-2008, 01:07 PM
I think we tend to overvalue our own prospects around here... I don't think a package lead by Bailey could bring us much of anything right now, sadly. I like Vernon Wells a lot, but it'd take too much to pry him away from the Jays IMO

Mario-Rijo
12-17-2008, 01:13 PM
I think we tend to overvalue our own prospects around here... I don't think a package lead by Bailey could bring us much of anything right now, sadly. I like Vernon Wells a lot, but it'd take too much to pry him away from the Jays IMO

Well too be fair a lot of fans do overvalue their own prospects. However when a team must cut $$$'s they are sort of already backed into a corner and despite their posturing a lesser package is gonna get it done more often than not. People kept saying the deals being tossed about for Holliday wouldn't get it done either but the Rockies didn't get any Cueto's or Bruce's in their package, in fact they didn't even get any Frazier's (IMO) or Alonso's either. And Holliday despite not being a CF or a better defender at all than Wells is still a more valuable player due to his bat.

PuffyPig
12-17-2008, 01:16 PM
Over $20M per seaon for a player who hits about a .800 OPS and currently plays CF (but shouldn't be)?

Why would we even pick up this player if he was on waivers?

He's not worth his current contract. Negative trade value.

deltachi8
12-17-2008, 01:48 PM
I don't believe a Bailey led offer nets either Wells or Rios.

I would like the Reds to grab Rios though, I think he would be a great fit.

Tom Servo
12-17-2008, 02:12 PM
Both Rios and Wells have lost appeal to me due to the Jays signing them to MASSIVE contracts.

deltachi8
12-17-2008, 02:23 PM
Both Rios and Wells have lost appeal to me due to the Jays signing them to MASSIVE contracts.

Rios is signed though 2014 at about $10.7M per with an option in 2015 at 13.5M. He is going to be 28 on February, so the contract won't tie him up in his late 30's making huge sums.

His offensive numbers were down a bit last year (a bad first half IIRC). However, he has nice power, speed and is a very good defender in RF.

I don't know if he is available, but If I were a GM, I would try and find out what it would take to get him.

RedLegSuperStar
12-17-2008, 02:47 PM
I've been wanting Wells in CF for a few years now. I think he makes about 11-13 a year if you subtract the signing bonus. I would offer Bailey, Roenicke, Frazier, and Shaun Cumberland to the Jays for Vernon Wells, Brandon League, and cash (signing bonus).

If and when the Reds sign Willy Taveras you have a lineup that looks like:

Taveras/Dickerson
Encarnacion
Votto
Wells
Bruce
Phillips
Hernandez
A-Gon/Keppinger

No to shabby if you ask me. Think Toronto would go for that?

PuffyPig
12-17-2008, 03:28 PM
I've been wanting Wells in CF for a few years now. I think he makes about 11-13 a year if you subtract the signing bonus. I would offer Bailey, Roenicke, Frazier, and Shaun Cumberland to the Jays for Vernon Wells, Brandon League, and cash (signing bonus).

If and when the Reds sign Willy Taveras you have a lineup that looks like:

Taveras/Dickerson
Encarnacion
Votto
Wells
Bruce
Phillips
Hernandez
A-Gon/Keppinger

No to shabby if you ask me. Think Toronto would go for that?

The signing bonus is paid in lieu of salary over three years, from 2008-2010. He essesntially makes about $10M this season, and $20M+ thereafter. He's owed $117M over the next 6 seasons.

PuffyPig
12-17-2008, 03:34 PM
I don't believe a Bailey led offer nets either Wells or Rios.



I expect a Paul Bako led offers nets Wells.

Who would want Wells, owed $117M over the next 6 seasons, when his hitting is more Brandon Phillips than Matt Holliday and he no longer plays a particularly good CF.?

Have the Blue Jays cut that salary in half and we can start talking.

corkedbat
12-17-2008, 08:35 PM
I expect a Paul Bako led offers nets Wells.

Who would want Wells, owed $117M over the next 6 seasons, when his hitting is more Brandon Phillips than Matt Holliday and he no longer plays a particularly good CF.?

Have the Blue Jays cut that salary in half and we can start talking.

I'd rather risk a couple of years @ $6-8M a year for 2 or three years, then spend that on Wells (even if the Jays ponied up half).

Benihana
12-17-2008, 09:01 PM
Joey Votto for Alex Rios. I've been saying it for a while...

Topcat
12-18-2008, 01:21 AM
Joey Votto for Alex Rios. I've been saying it for a while...

That's scary because I could see that offer gaining wings:eek:, It is perfect idea for a trade in that Votto would be like a native son Coming home so to speak. He is Canadian and young salary on cheap. I take back every bad thing i Eever said about your restaurant chain :D

Mario-Rijo
12-18-2008, 02:38 AM
Joey Votto for Alex Rios. I've been saying it for a while...

In theory I like that idea when you look at it from a pure baseball deal standpoint. But I really like the fact that our young guys seem to be woven together a bit which means they should play harder for each other instead of thinking more individually. And Votto seems to be the guy who has taking the reigns of leadership on with his approach to the game. I know Brandon would like to be the "leader" but leaders don't appoint themselves. In the end I'd hate to trade any of the core and especially not the leader of it.

Ltlabner
12-18-2008, 07:15 AM
Joey Votto for Alex Rios. I've been saying it for a while...

Bailey, Maloney, Stubbs and/or Pile O Cash instead.

Redhook
12-18-2008, 09:02 AM
Bailey, Maloney, Stubbs and/or Pile O Cash instead.

3?'s = Rios. It'd be nice, but I don't see it happening.

PuffyPig
12-18-2008, 09:17 AM
Bailey, Maloney, Stubbs and/or Pile O Cash instead.

When have you ever seen the Reds take on a big salary and send a bunch of cash?

For that matter when have you ever seen any team do it?

Baseball only allows large sums of money to change hands when a team is trying to dump a large salary and the cash offsets some of that large salary.It never allows teams to simply buy players. Once you get over $1M-$2M in cash excahnging hands, you better be sending it to someone who's taking on a big salary and not the other way around.

RedEye
12-18-2008, 10:18 AM
Joey Votto for Alex Rios. I've been saying it for a while...

Does that deal make sense at all from a $ perspective?

Ltlabner
12-18-2008, 10:59 AM
When have you ever seen the Reds take on a big salary and send a bunch of cash?

For that matter when have you ever seen any team do it?

Baseball only allows large sums of money to change hands when a team is trying to dump a large salary and the cash offsets some of that large salary.It never allows teams to simply buy players. Once you get over $1M-$2M in cash excahnging hands, you better be sending it to someone who's taking on a big salary and not the other way around.

Forget the money and players involved. I'd just rather have Rios + Votto rather than Rios instead of Votto.

Raisor
12-18-2008, 11:51 AM
Wells, 2006-08

.281/.334/.480

With that contract?

Really?

Him?

Jpup
12-18-2008, 11:58 AM
love to have Wells, but not at what it would cost.