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redsfandan
12-17-2008, 07:30 PM
Lewis spars with reporter Enquirer staff report December 17, 2008

At his news conference today, Bengals coach Marvin Lewis took exception to a line of questioning from Enquirer reporter Dustin Dow.

Dow: If you guys finish this out winning three in a row, or even two of three, how much will it show that improvement has been made, versus covering up improvements that still need to be made?

Lewis: "Oh, I don't think it covers anything up that we feel interiorly, and that's the only thing that matters. Dustin, all your angles and so forth, I'm going to ask other people questions because I really don't like the angles you take in here each and every week."

Dow: What's wrong with that?

Lewis: "I just think it's disrespectful for what we're doing. I really do. So I'll tend to answer the other guys' questions. Anything else?"

Dow: People who that is important to are the fans who are reading.

Lewis: "What we're trying to do is win football games. Maybe you should answer for them, because you seem to do that, anyway."

Dow: I don't know the answers. That's why I'm asking you.

Lewis: "I'm not going to get into a debate with you. All right?"

Dow: (inaudible)

Lewis: "I just told you I'm not going to answer your questions any more. All right? They might have to send somebody else over to do your job. All right?"

redsfandan
12-17-2008, 07:41 PM
How much longer is he under contract??

With another team he probably would have had more success. And maybe he'll do better with another team after he has a break. But I'm not sure this can last for a couple more seasons.

redsfanmia
12-17-2008, 07:47 PM
Why is ok for a reporter to dress down a coach or athlete in print or on air but its not ok when a coach or player responds negatively? If the question he asked set Marvin off then he was wrong but what kind of columns does this guy write? Was it strictly this question or is there a history of negativity?

WMR
12-17-2008, 07:47 PM
The media in Cincinnati is so lame. I wish they'd take a page from the NY Post and really go after the Bengals/Reds when they screw around.

redsfandan
12-17-2008, 08:00 PM
It doesn't matter who you are if you're a 'celebrity' you'll be asked all kinds of stuff by the press and you have to be prepared for it even stupid questions.

Blimpie
12-17-2008, 08:15 PM
That was a pretty benign question IMO...this sounds like a boil that has festered for some time.

GoReds33
12-17-2008, 08:17 PM
I am on Dow's side here. It's his job to ask questions, and to get awnsers. He seems to do a good job, and I commend him for it. He's one of the few class acts in that joint. Marvin has been nothing but hostile with the media since he got here.

guttle11
12-17-2008, 08:25 PM
Marvin's just breakin in the new guy.

redsfandan
12-17-2008, 08:40 PM
That may be so but it doesn't exactly help the public perception of Marvin or the team. When the team wins or people like you stuff like this is just laughed at but the honeymoon has been over for awhile now. I'm kinda surprised it lasted as long as it did.

Redhook
12-17-2008, 10:08 PM
You can listen to this on Mo's blog at 1530. It's incredible how much of a horse's arse Marvin is. What an arrogant, ignorant, out-of-touch s.o.b. I flat out cannot stand the guy. He pays absolutely no respect to the people that pay his salary, the fans. Plus, he sucks as a coach. I can't wait to quote Ken "The Hawk" Harrelson and say, "He gone!", when Marvin gets canned. I just wish Mikey Boy would follow him out the door.

Chip R
12-17-2008, 10:14 PM
I don 't have a dog in this hunt but it seemed like a fair question to me.

macro
12-18-2008, 12:13 AM
It was a very fair question. This season has the makings of the typical Dead Cat Bounce like the Bungles of the 90s would pull off. They'd start 1-13 and then win a couple to finish the season 3-13, then soP would use that as evidence that things weren't so bad, after all.

I'm not sure what Marvin expects of the guy or any writer, for that matter. His pathetic team had won one game before Sunday, and most of the losses were blowouts. The franchise is in as bad a shape as it has ever been, and that's saying quite a bit. Are the writers just supposed to blow sunshine? I don't get it.

I really wish this franchise would have moved to Baltimore or LA back in the 90s and saved some of us a lot of frustration. It's an embarrassment to the city and its fans.

camisadelgolf
12-18-2008, 02:26 AM
I don't think it's fair to make any judgments until we know more of the context.

"Dustin, all your angles and so forth, I'm going to ask other people questions because I really don't like the angles you take in here each and every week."

It sounds like there's more of a story behind this. Even if Dow had very good questions, saying something like, "I'm not going to answer your questions anymore," isn't necessarily a bad response. I've never read anything about Dow, but I'm guessing he has fabricated a few things that made people look bad and criticized some people he has no idea about.

cincrazy
12-18-2008, 07:42 AM
I don't think it's fair to make any judgments until we know more of the context.

"Dustin, all your angles and so forth, I'm going to ask other people questions because I really don't like the angles you take in here each and every week."

It sounds like there's more of a story behind this. Even if Dow had very good questions, saying something like, "I'm not going to answer your questions anymore," isn't necessarily a bad response. I've never read anything about Dow, but I'm guessing he has fabricated a few things that made people look bad and criticized some people he has no idea about.

Whhooooaaaaaa, that's going a little overboard I think. I don't think it's fair to say that about Dow. I don't even know who the guy is, truthfully. But he was doing nothing more than his job. If Marvin doesn't like being asked tough questions (and IMO, that wasn't even a tough question) he should find another business to make money in.

Mario-Rijo
12-18-2008, 08:02 AM
Whhooooaaaaaa, that's going a little overboard I think. I don't think it's fair to say that about Dow. I don't even know who the guy is, truthfully. But he was doing nothing more than his job. If Marvin doesn't like being asked tough questions (and IMO, that wasn't even a tough question) he should find another business to make money in.

And Marvin doesn't like the tough questions and practically refuses to answer any, ever. He doesn't feel the need and that's partly due to his knowledge that SoP has his back, but mainly due to the fact that he's decided for better or worse he's gonna do things his way. I generally watch his press conferences quite often and I have never seen Dow be a problem. Usually Marvin's issues are strictly with one guy, Chick Ludwig who always grills Marvin. And as always Marvin poo poos those questions from Chick or gets offended real quick. I always felt that this would stop when the coaster was on the way down but apparently not.

camisadelgolf
12-18-2008, 08:17 AM
Whhooooaaaaaa, that's going a little overboard I think. I don't think it's fair to say that about Dow. I don't even know who the guy is, truthfully. But he was doing nothing more than his job. If Marvin doesn't like being asked tough questions (and IMO, that wasn't even a tough question) he should find another business to make money in.

All I'm trying to say is that there's probably more to the story than we know. My guess is that it's Marvin's way of trying to defend someone on the team who was criticized in something that Dow wrote. That's only a guess. Just like it's a journalist's right to ask a question, it's Marvin's right to refuse to answer someone's questions.

Just to iterate, I'm not saying the guy deserved to be treated like that. I only want to say that he possibly deserved it, but there's no way any of us can know that.

I don't know how anyone can stand a Marvin Lewis press conference in the first place. He gives some of the most boring responses I've ever seen, and I don't see that as a bad thing.

LawFive
12-18-2008, 09:21 AM
Certainly not defending Lewis here - his sour relations with the media have been documented by other writers as well - but it was Dow who did a story on Who Dey Revolution the other day. My guess is that is what set Lewis off.

SeeinRed
12-18-2008, 10:56 AM
I have little doubt that Marvin is just as frustrated as many of the fans. He has been at the helm while Mike Brown has undercut him and hasn't really allowed for Marvin to have a chance to win. I think the whole team feels the frustration. How could you not. Marvin has to give the same ol' stock answers for everything and I'm sure that its frustrating taking the heat every week. Its a tough situation in Cincinnati for the coaches and the players. The problem is not them, it comes from above. I doubt these changes come anytime soon without some sort of action from the league, which from the NFL's standpoint would be rather undesirable. Its just a tough situation for everyone not named Mike Brown.

acredsfan
12-18-2008, 11:10 AM
I think there is a lack of professionalism on both ends there. The thing about it is Marvin is paid to answer questions and talk to the media whether he wants to or not. Dustin should have let it go when Marvin got upset though. Trying to keep the debate going did nothing. When your job is to interview someone on a regular basis, you can't let your pride get in the way because you need to maintain a professional relationship with that person. Your job is to ask questions and get answers, now Dustin may not be allowed to continue that because of this situation. Marvin is very surly when he talks to the media and that gets frustrating, but Mikey won't get rid of him. Also, Lance went on this rant on his blog about how Marvin doesn't get that he needs the media. Lance is a little off base there, if Marvin was winning, the fans could care less about a stupid spar with the media.

dsmith421
12-18-2008, 12:51 PM
Certainly not defending Lewis here - his sour relations with the media have been documented by other writers as well - but it was Dow who did a story on Who Dey Revolution the other day. My guess is that is what set Lewis off.

Marvin doesn't get to tell Dow what he can or can't write about. WDR is about the only interesting thing about this stupid, moribund franchise right now. Screw Marvin, he's an arrogant, condescending prick who clearly despises the fact that he's expected to deal with fans and the media.

WMR
12-18-2008, 12:52 PM
Marvin doesn't get to tell Dow what he can or can't write about. WDR is about the only interesting thing about this stupid, moribund franchise right now. Screw Marvin, he's an arrogant, condescending prick who clearly despises the fact that he's expected to deal with fans and the media.

dude can we make you the new beat reporter?

lmao i just spit out the water i was drinking

westofyou
12-18-2008, 01:17 PM
The media in Cincinnati is so lame. I wish they'd take a page from the NY Post and really go after the Bengals/Reds when they screw around.

The NY Post is not a role model for good press.

WMR
12-18-2008, 01:19 PM
The NY Post is not a role model for good press.

I know, you're right... I just mean I wish they were more confrontational towards their sports franchises/willing to hold some feet to the flames.

RichRed
12-18-2008, 01:40 PM
Imagine Lewis having to deal with the media if he coached in New York? He'd end up in a straitjacket.

Hoosier Red
12-18-2008, 02:59 PM
The thing Daugherty brought up that really annoyed me about it is what a wasted opportunity for the Bengals.

What I really wish is if Chick or C Trent had followed up the argument with,

"So coach, does winning the last three games just cover up what needs to be fixed, or is their some value in gaining momentum for next year."

Sea Ray
12-18-2008, 04:41 PM
I'm no Dustin Dow fan but that question was a far cry from the Chick Ludwig questions and so far as I know he's still in on the press conferences

Sea Ray
12-18-2008, 04:46 PM
I think there is a lack of professionalism on both ends there. The thing about it is Marvin is paid to answer questions and talk to the media whether he wants to or not. Dustin should have let it go when Marvin got upset though. Trying to keep the debate going did nothing.

I can see why Dow didn't let it go. Marvin was basically trying to get him fired. I'd say your job is worth fighting for. Marvin makes $3mill/yr and he's got a guaranteed contract to get $6mill more in the next two years and he's picking on Dow who probably has two less zeros on his tax return. Marvin ought to pick on someone his own size. Why try to take away the job of a beat writer in this day and age

Kingspoint
12-18-2008, 04:53 PM
The media in Cincinnati is so lame. I wish they'd take a page from the NY Post and really go after the Bengals/Reds when they screw around.

Hear! Hear!

:thumbup:

Chip R
12-18-2008, 04:57 PM
I'm no Dustin Dow fan but that question was a far cry from the Chick Ludwig questions and so far as I know he's still in on the press conferences


Is Ludwig the only DDN reporter on the Bengals beat? I think 2-3 guys handle it withe the Enquirer so that may have something to do with it.

dsmith421
12-18-2008, 05:22 PM
I can see why Dow didn't let it go. Marvin was basically trying to get him fired.

Yep. What an absolute coward. Can't defend his own record or that of his boss, so he threatenes to blackball a reporter. Shameful.

Redhook
12-18-2008, 10:35 PM
Marvin doesn't get to tell Dow what he can or can't write about. WDR is about the only interesting thing about this stupid, moribund franchise right now. Screw Marvin, he's an arrogant, condescending prick who clearly despises the fact that he's expected to deal with fans and the media.

Yes sir! :beerme:

Redsfaithful
12-18-2008, 11:22 PM
The Cincinnati NFL media is so pathetic that I don't blame Marvin for not wanting to deal with them. He treats national and out of market media with plenty of respect (he gave a very open interview to the Columbus Dispatch after last season), but reporters like Mark Curnutte, Ludwig, and then columnists like Paul Daugherty are horrid. I'm sure being a Bengals beat writer wears on you, and so that's always what I assume has happened with these guys, but guys like Curnutte clearly hate their job, and I'm sure Marvin gets tired of dealing with it.

And then add in Cincinnati sports talk radio, which is as idiotic and toxic as anywhere in the country, and I think that's why you see Marvin act the way he does. I actually think Marvin would give better press in a place like New York because he'd be talking to actual professionals.

remdog
12-19-2008, 12:11 AM
I actually think Marvin would give better press in a place like New York because he'd be talking to actual professionals.

But, would the reporters be? ;)

Rem

BoydsOfSummer
12-19-2008, 12:30 AM
Marv has been trying to bully the media here since he arrived. Just now noticing?

Redsfaithful
12-19-2008, 04:04 AM
But, would the reporters be? ;)

Rem

:) True, although you know I don't think Marvin is the problem. I wish the media gave Mike Brown as hard of a time as they give Marvin Lewis, but I guess that wouldn't be as easy since he's not as available.

redsfandan
12-20-2008, 01:18 PM
:) ... I wish the media gave Mike Brown as hard of a time as they give Marvin Lewis, but I guess that wouldn't be as easy since he's not as available.

Yep, if Mike Brown faced the press on a weekly basis it would be much more interesting and entertaining.