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Benihana
01-17-2009, 11:59 AM
What Reds players or decisions of the last 20 years have you been completely wrong about? Who did you think was destined for stardom but completely crapped the bed? Who did you think should have been sent out to pasture, yet ended up eclipsing all possible expectations?

I'll start:

I liked the Corey Patterson signing last year (duck, cover)
I was looking forward to Brandon Claussen anchoring the staff for the next decade.
I was also quite upset when Jeff Treadway was traded to Atlanta.

I'll have a few more later...anyone else care to share?

cincrazy
01-17-2009, 12:04 PM
I was pumped over the Dante Bichette signing.

Jose Acevedo was sure to become a staff ace once he learned to stop giving up homer's.

Danny Graves as a starter, good idea!

Jimmy Anderson was going to be the missing link this team needed due to his great spring training performance.

But hey, give me a break, I was a teenager for most of these :)

RedEye
01-17-2009, 12:15 PM
I thought Ken Griffey Jr. would lead the team to the promise land.

edabbs44
01-17-2009, 12:19 PM
I thought Tomko was going to be legit.

Cooper
01-17-2009, 12:21 PM
Ruben Mateo. He had good minor league stats and he played CF at a time when the team needed a CFer.

Jon Nunnally. I still contend he cold've had a more substantial major league career.

Lots of pitchers, but they don't really count cause most of a crap shot anyway based on injury. I think we do know a lot more than we used to about pitching prospects, but it's still a very difficult thing to predict.

nate
01-17-2009, 12:22 PM
I thought Dave Miley was going to be a good manager. I used to follow the Reds on usenet and there was a guy there who was really big on him with some excellent inside information.

Oh well.

RedsManRick
01-17-2009, 12:26 PM
I thought Danny Graves was on the Derek Lowe track.
I thought Sean Casey was the next Mike Sweeney.

RedEye
01-17-2009, 12:28 PM
I thought Danny Graves was on the Derek Lowe track.
I thought Sean Casey was the next Mike Sweeney.

Weren't their careers roughly contemporaneous?

RedEye
01-17-2009, 12:29 PM
I thought Pokey Reese would be the Reds 2B for a decade or more.

I was glad he was the hold up in the Griffey deal.

GADawg
01-17-2009, 12:31 PM
I thought Gary Redus had triple crown potential!

I liked the earlier mentions of Jon Nunnally and Jose Acevedo...whatever happened to Acevedo?

I'm also gonna go on record as saying that while Willy Taveras would have to turn into Willie Mays do get any credit 'round here that he's gonna be alot better than anyone is expecting...and for a few years(not really going out on a limb I guess considering the expectations).

Oh, and I wasn't sure about giving up on Kurt Stilwell either....feels good to cleanse the soul

RedsManRick
01-17-2009, 12:44 PM
Weren't their careers roughly contemporaneous?

You're right, perhaps I misphrased it. I thought he'd be another Sweeney, but he never showed the power I thought he would outside of 2 or 3 seasons.

Joseph
01-17-2009, 01:00 PM
I thought Willie Greene would be a stud at 3B.

I also thought Wade Rowdon would be as well [I was in like 7th grade at the time].

I believed Tim Pugh and John Roper were gonna be excellent.

I hated the Kurt Stillwell trade.

cincrazy
01-17-2009, 01:51 PM
I thought that D.T. Cromer was a future Hall of Famer.

Ok, that one's a joke. But seriously, what in the world ever happened to that guy? Talk about the dark days of Reds baseball, good grief.

Oh, and I remember being excited about Lance Davis and his potential.

No idea how I ever graduated from high school.

BuckeyeRedleg
01-17-2009, 01:51 PM
I was excited when they traded Paul O'Neill for Roberto Kelly.

Ouch.

Joseph
01-17-2009, 01:52 PM
Greg Swindell and John Smiley I expected big things from.

LoganBuck
01-17-2009, 01:59 PM
I thought Tim Layana (RIP) was going to be a good pitcher for a long time, with that knuckle curve. He did strike out Tom Selleck!

I also thought that Ron Villone was going to be the next Pete Shoureck.

Roy Tucker
01-17-2009, 02:04 PM
I thought Kurt Stilwell was going to be a stud.

I thought Barry Larkin wouldn't hit for beans.

I liked Duane Walker and thought he'd be a Jeff Bagwell clone. Same with Harry Spilman.

I thought both Jeff Austin and Jeff Gray were good pickups.

I thought Dick Simpson was going to make the Frank Robinson trade look good.

fearofpopvol1
01-17-2009, 02:07 PM
I thought Homer Bailey would be the legitimate ace of the Reds. I guess he still could be, but he's got a lot to prove.

TRF
01-17-2009, 02:52 PM
I was (am) convinced WMP is a star in the making, hated the trade for Arroyo.

I thought both Acevedo and Elizardo Ramirez were going to be studs. (I really hope Acevedo comes back healthy this year. He's fun to watch regardless of what team he pitches for.)

I thought Felipe Lopez was close to putting it all together.

MikeS21
01-17-2009, 04:13 PM
1) A perennial All-Star OF of Dunn/Griffey/Kearns. Yeah ... whatever.

2) Rob Bell - Future Ace

3) Chris Gruler - Future Ace - Because I got burned with Gruler, he's the main reason I am so skeptical about Homer Bailey. If you read the pre-draft scouting reports on Gruler, they are almost word-for-word the pre-draft reports on Homer Bailey.

Scrap Irony
01-17-2009, 04:35 PM
Paul Householder and Caesar Cedeno were destined to fight it out for the Triple Crown and were shoo-in HOFs, along with Wayne Krenchikki. I also liked Harry Spillman and loved Ron Oester.

Didn't care for Larkin and loved Stillwell. Liked Kal Daniels and loved Tracy Jones. Eric Davis was obviously the worst talent of the three of them and should have been dealt to the Mets for Gregg Jeffries.

Speaking of other teams, Jeff Kent was probably my worst ever pick for future failure. Thought his bat was slow and he couldn't field at 3B, so 2B was an even worse choice for him. Also didn't like Kevin Mitchell or Matt Williams.

Sigh.

Sue me. Most of that was when I was a kid.

Ravenlord
01-17-2009, 04:37 PM
Cory Patterson
David Weathers
Brandon Claussen
Matt Belisle
Wily Mo Pena

Ravenlord
01-17-2009, 04:40 PM
oh yeah, and Aaron Harang. never thought he'd be more than Jeff Suppan.

deltachi8
01-17-2009, 04:46 PM
I hated the Arroyo trade.

I thought Willie Green was a star.

I was mesmerized by Ross Powell in AAA and thought he would win 15 in Cincinnati.

I liked the Ice Cream Man hats.

I thought Joe Valentine was the real steal in the Harrang trade.

I thought (when I first joined RedsZone) that Adam Dunn was Dave Kingman part II.


Yes, I am a dumb man.

GradyHatton
01-17-2009, 04:49 PM
I thought Paul Moskau was almost a clone of Tom Seaver and that the Reds would dominate the NL for a coupe of years after acquiring Buddy Bell.

wheels
01-17-2009, 04:51 PM
I was super high on Tom Lawless.

*BaseClogger*
01-17-2009, 04:57 PM
I thought Todd Coffey and Matt Belisle got unlucky.

I though Jeff Keppinger was the next Nomar...

George Anderson
01-17-2009, 05:08 PM
I loved the Roberto Kelly for Paul O'Neill trade.
Duane Walker was going to be a star.
Paul Householder was the next Roberto Clemente
Tom Lawless was the next Maury Wills.
Dave Miley would be a great manager.
Frank Pastore was the next Tom Seaver.
Moving Norm Charlton to a starter was a great move.
Cesar Cedeno and Clint Hurdle in a new environment would be stars.
Harry Spillman was better than Ray Knight.
Alex Trevino would win numerous Gold Gloves.
Johnny Bench could play 3B.
Champ Summers would make us forget George Foster.
The Barry Larkin contract was a good one.
Nuxhall is crazy. Mario Soto will never be a star.
No way in Gods green earth would Peter Edward Rose ever bet on the game let alone lie about it.:rolleyes:

WVRedsFan
01-17-2009, 05:13 PM
I had high hopes for Woody Fryman.
I thought getting rid of Konerko for Casey was a brilliant move.
I thought Larkin would be a bust.
I thought Junior would hit 360+ homers while he was in Cincy.
Aaron Harang wouldn't do anything except be fodder for the bullpen.
In my humble opinion Arroyo was also a reliever.
Brandon Claussen was the next big star.

I could go on and on...

mth123
01-17-2009, 05:16 PM
I had high hopes for Woody Fryman.
I thought getting rid of Konerko for Casey was a brilliant move.
....
Aaron Harang wouldn't do anything except be fodder for the bullpen.
In my humble opinion Arroyo was also a reliever.
Brandon Claussen was the next big star.

I could go on and on...

Right with you on those.

Add Dan Driessen as the next generation of Reds slugger...

Highlifeman21
01-17-2009, 05:24 PM
I was looking forward to Brandon Claussen anchoring the staff for the next decade.


I think his shoulder made us wrong. He looked promising, then his shoulder made him not so promising. But, I'm right there with ya, I thought he'd anchor the staff.

Guys I've been wrong about:


Better than I thought:

Bronson Arroyo (sorta)
Scott Hatteberg (he was much better than I anticipated)
Jason LaRue


Worse than I thought:

Chris Denorfia
Corey Patterson's 2008 offense
Matt Belisle (I hope he rehabs that back and kicks butt in the future)
Dave Miley
Felipe Lopez
Wily Mo Pena
Ramon Ortiz
Ryan Wagner
Rob Bell
Joe Valentine
Luke Hudson
Ryan Dempster
S. Smitherman
Paul Wilson
Josh Hall
Todd Walker
Bill Selby
DT Cromer
Lance Davis
Brett Tomko
Steve Avery


I think that painful list should be good enough for now...

Blimpie
01-17-2009, 06:58 PM
I had an unhealthy man-crush on Joe Oliver.

camisadelgolf
01-17-2009, 07:11 PM
I liked the Corey Patterson signing last year (duck, cover)
I was looking forward to Brandon Claussen anchoring the staff for the next decade.


I thought Sean Casey was the next Mike Sweeney.


Oh, and I remember being excited about Lance Davis and his potential.

Those apply to me, too.

I also thought Ben Broussard for Russell Branyan would turn out well.
Corky Miller just needed more time to prove himself.
The two prospects who came over from Atlanta for Chris Reitsma would work out.
Ruben Rivera was starting to turn a corner.

cincrazy
01-17-2009, 07:16 PM
Those apply to me, too.

I also thought Ben Broussard for Russell Branyan would turn out well.
Corky Miller just needed more time to prove himself.
The two prospects who came over from Atlanta for Chris Reitsma would work out.
Ruben Rivera was starting to turn a corner.

Ruben Rivera DID turn a corner. Unfortunately for him upon turning the corner he realized it was a cliff he was falling off of

Red in Chicago
01-17-2009, 07:31 PM
I thought Kurt Stilwell was going to be a stud.

I thought Barry Larkin wouldn't hit for beans.

I felt the same way about Kurt and Barry:eek:


I thought Ken Griffey Jr. would lead the team to the promise land.

I can still remember how pumped I was the day the trade was announced.

KronoRed
01-17-2009, 09:36 PM
I thought Austin Kearns was going to be what Pujols is like today...ugh.

OnBaseMachine
01-17-2009, 09:37 PM
I thought Austin Kearns was going to be what Pujols is like today...ugh.

I did too.

dfs
01-17-2009, 11:56 PM
I did too.

A lot of us did. It's kind of a cautionary tale about Jay Bruce's future.

I'll get one from the wayback machine.

I thought Rick Mahler was just the kind of study starting pitcher that would get the reds over the top and to the world series. oops.

cincrazy
01-18-2009, 12:00 AM
I thought Austin Kearns was going to be what Pujols is like today...ugh.

Stupid Ray King

George Anderson
01-18-2009, 12:15 AM
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Topcat
01-18-2009, 03:16 AM
*sigh* I loved the Eric Milton signing, I also have a true hidden desire and false it could happen irrational hope that Laynce Nix could become a star. I hated with deep passion Javy Pornstache Valentin. I relished with Glee the high moments of Joe Randa and laughed at Puffy for loathing him.

I appreciated Rich Aurellia even though I knew it was wrong. I came to Conclusion that the Red's was an undesired destination for Free agents(was a inner war but yes it finally hit home). I adore Kitty and have man love for what WOY brings knowledge wise and admire his temperament.

I jumped with Glee at Getting Arroyo for Willy Mo and I was pleased as heck by getting Volquez for Josh Hamilton but secretly knew it was a move that I would have traded about anyone except BPhil to have Happen.

GAC
01-18-2009, 03:45 AM
No need to repeat some of my "miscalculations" since most have already mentioned them.

But I will add Brandon Larson. And the May, Helms, and Stewart trade to Houston for Morgan, Menke, Billingham, Geronimo, and Armbrister.

Raisor
01-18-2009, 08:38 AM
I thought WMP would be in japan by now.

RFS62
01-18-2009, 08:44 AM
I thought WMP would be in japan by now.



Me too. I was thrilled when we traded him.

Rob Bell really surprised me. He had such great stuff, I thought he would get his act together. When he was on and in command of his stuff, he was very tough.

BoydsOfSummer
01-18-2009, 09:02 AM
I thought Jack Armstrong would win at least 100 Reds games along with a Cy Young award.

redsmetz
01-18-2009, 12:55 PM
I stand before you all in great shame, forty years of it. And now I can tell the sad tale.

Sometime in 1967, the year Johnny Bench made his debut, I actually hollered "Bench Bench" and "Things go better with Coker". Yikes! (I did just notice that Chico Ruiz pinch hit in the 9th inning for Bench in his debut game - that probably never happened again.).

Team Clark
01-18-2009, 05:04 PM
I thought Brady Clark could be Kevin McReynolds.

durl
01-18-2009, 05:17 PM
Not trying to throw a wrench into things but answers about players that failed to meet expectations because of injury should be an exception.

Ron Madden
01-18-2009, 05:47 PM
I thought Matt Belisle would be a league average starting pitcher for the Reds.

I thought Gary Nolan would have a better career than Don Gullett.

When I was a kid I was sure Jim Maloney would have a HOF career.

to be continued...

redsmetz
01-18-2009, 06:39 PM
I thought Matt Belisle would be a league average starting pitcher for the Reds.

I thought Gary Nolan would have a better career than Don Gullett.

When I was a kid I was sure Jim Maloney would have a HOF career.

to be continued...

Actually Nolan and Gullett's careers were somewhat similar. I'm always surprised how long Gary Nolan's career was - 10 years, pitched in 4 World Series, winning two rings with the '75 and '76 club. He pitched one more year than Gullett, finishing with a 110-70 record (Gullet's was 109-50). Nolan had about 100 K's more than Gullett.

Jim Maloney might well have had that HOF career were it not for the career ending injury. His career ended the first year the Reds went went back to the World Series. He was just 30 and might ahve pitched further into the BRM years.

KronoRed
01-18-2009, 06:44 PM
Not trying to throw a wrench into things but answers about players that failed to meet expectations because of injury should be an exception.

True, but in Kearns case I think he would have bottomed out anyway.

membengal
01-18-2009, 07:13 PM
I defended the Milton signing.

I thought getting Quirk for the coaching staff was a good move.

I thought Dave Miley was going to be a great major league manager.

I thought Kal Daniels was going to be a perennial all-star.

Back in the day, as a 7-year-old, I thought going to Dan Driessan at 1b was the right move. Oops.

There have been others, I am sure. Age dims memories of bad things.

Spitball
01-18-2009, 07:17 PM
Jim Maloney might well have had that HOF career were it not for the career ending injury. His career ended the first year the Reds went went back to the World Series. He was just 30 and might ahve pitched further into the BRM years.

I saw the last two innings of Maloney's ten inning no-hitter versus the Cubs in 1965. I'm not sure exactly how many pitches he made, but he threw pitch 190-something to retire the first batter in the tenth. You could tell he was almost too tired to remove his cap and wipe his brow. Geesh...

*BaseClogger*
01-18-2009, 07:31 PM
I thought Brady Clark could be Kevin McReynolds.

The power never developed but Brady Clark was always a useful player...

edabbs44
01-18-2009, 07:44 PM
I thought Kal D was gonna be HUGE.

redsmetz
01-18-2009, 07:48 PM
I saw the last two innings of Maloney's ten inning no-hitter versus the Cubs in 1965. I'm not sure exactly how many pitches he made, but he threw pitch 190-something to retire the first batter in the tenth. You could tell he was almost too tired to remove his cap and wipe his brow. Geesh...

I just looked that box score up. Both pitchers went the full ten innings. Maloney walked ten batters. The game was won on a 10th inning homer from Leo Cardenas.

Maloney walked the bases loaded in the third; walked two more in the 4th. He closed out the 4th with a Strikeout and, with that batter, he struck out eight of the nine players.

I couldn't find the pitch count though.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/CHN/CHN196508191.shtml

redsmetz
01-18-2009, 07:49 PM
Regarding Dave Miley, it was amazing that he failed at the major league level. He was a tremendous manager in the minors, I thought.

RFS62
01-18-2009, 07:52 PM
Regarding Dave Miley, it was amazing that he failed at the major league level. He was a tremendous manager in the minors, I thought.

In the minors he had leverage. In the majors, he had none.

Once he started making bad decisions, like "chairgate", he was done.

GAC
01-18-2009, 07:59 PM
I thought Kal D was gonna be HUGE.

His knees thought he was. ;)

RedsBaron
01-18-2009, 08:11 PM
Most of the ones I was terribly wrong about have been covered.
Kurt Stillwell was the first one to come to mind. I was concerned that the Reds chose the wrong shortstop when they traded Stillwell and kept Larkin. :eek:
I expected a lot more of Frank Pastore, after he finished 1979 very strong.
I questioned the wisdom of trading away Lee May for Joe Morgan. :eek::eek::eek:
I expected more of Duane Walker.
I really do think Kal Daniels was a terrific hitter and may have met my expectations, had he owned a good set of knees.
Adam Dunn was actually a disappointment to me. I recognized his value, but, based upon his minor league performance and how he played in his first half season as a Red, I expected him to at least hit for a higher average more consistently.
I don't count Gary Nolan and Don Gullett as guys I was wrong about, especially Nolan. They had the talent, just not the durability.

George Anderson
01-18-2009, 08:12 PM
In the minors he had leverage. In the majors, he had none.



Is this because he never made MLB as a player?

RFS62
01-18-2009, 08:48 PM
Is this because he never made MLB as a player?


Partly, I guess. I think it was more a deal where he had the players careers in his hands in AAA, whereas the veterans on the Reds all knew they would be there when he was gone. They all made a lot more money than he did too.

A kid on the way up has to toe the line. Major leaguers, not so much with a guy like Miley.

Spitball
01-18-2009, 08:51 PM
I just looked that box score up. Both pitchers went the full ten innings. Maloney walked ten batters. The game was won on a 10th inning homer from Leo Cardenas.

Maloney walked the bases loaded in the third; walked two more in the 4th. He closed out the 4th with a Strikeout and, with that batter, he struck out eight of the nine players.

I couldn't find the pitch count though.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/CHN/CHN196508191.shtml

Pitch counts were not recorded in those days, but the announcer mentioned that Maloney had made 190 pitches as he was pitching to the first batter.

Ron Madden
01-18-2009, 11:36 PM
Actually Nolan and Gullett's careers were somewhat similar. I'm always surprised how long Gary Nolan's career was - 10 years, pitched in 4 World Series, winning two rings with the '75 and '76 club. He pitched one more year than Gullett, finishing with a 110-70 record (Gullet's was 109-50). Nolan had about 100 K's more than Gullett.

That's my point. I thought Nolan would be head and shoulders above Gullett.

:beerme:

bucksfan2
01-19-2009, 11:46 AM
I thought Acevedo, Tomko, and Hudson were going to be solid starters.

I though Lopez was going to be the next Reds SS.

I hated the Hamilton/Volquez trade

I thought Wily Mo was going to be a great OF.

I hated the Guillen/Harang trade.

bucksfan
01-20-2009, 03:10 PM
Acevedo, FeLo, and Kearns are my biggest recent overestimations. I thought Dunn would have had a couple "bigger" years by now also, and I am a big fan of his. However I thought he might have ascended closer to Pujols status.

RANDY IN INDY
01-20-2009, 05:06 PM
That's my point. I thought Nolan would be head and shoulders above Gullett.

:beerme:

Had he not tore up his arm early, having to re-invent himself, he probably would have been head and shoulders above Gullett. He was a hard thrower when he first came up.

I thought Wayne Simpson was the next Bob Gibson.

Scrap Irony
01-20-2009, 10:31 PM
I thought Dunn had Pujols-like talent as well. I envisioned a 320/400/600 monster playing RF with a cannon for an arm and 20 SBs a season.

In the minors, he may have been the most talented player I ever saw. I saw a crowd of 10,000 in Louisville go completely silent as he hit a ball foul out of the stadium and over the access road to I-71. (He hit three homers that day, I think, though it may only have been two.)

At the time, he was hitting 340 or so and I could envision the second coming of Babe Ruth.

WebScorpion
01-21-2009, 11:27 AM
I was really upset when they traded away Lee May for a bunch of nobodys.

A was fooled by Austin Kearns homers in 8 consecutive games in the minors... I was convinced that he would become the kind of player who could carry a team on his back for 5 and 10 game stretches. He still might...it's just that those stretches come at 15 year intervals instead of every 50 games or so.
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membengal
01-21-2009, 11:33 AM
I thought Dunn had Pujols-like talent as well. I envisioned a 320/400/600 monster playing RF with a cannon for an arm and 20 SBs a season.

In the minors, he may have been the most talented player I ever saw. I saw a crowd of 10,000 in Louisville go completely silent as he hit a ball foul out of the stadium and over the access road to I-71. (He hit three homers that day, I think, though it may only have been two.)

At the time, he was hitting 340 or so and I could envision the second coming of Babe Ruth.

That's an insane expectation. No wonder Dunn disappointed so many people. It is impossible to meet that kind of bar.

Strikes Out Looking
01-21-2009, 11:42 AM
I expected something more from Alan Knicely and Paul Householder.

I over estimated Ray Knight's managing abillities.

M2
01-21-2009, 11:55 AM
I was fine with the Patterson signing last year.

I hated the Ramon Ortiz and Paul Wilson deals so much that I failed to hate the Eric Milton signing as fully as I should have.

I thought Edwin Encarnacion would be playing some defense by now.

I thought Jason LaRue had another decent season left in his tank after 2005.

I thought D'Angelo Jiminez would get better as he moved into his theoretical prime.

I believed in John Roper, Mo Sanford, Tim Pugh, Kevin Jarvis, Scott Scudder, Chris Hammond, Curt Lyons and Brett Tomko.

Yet my biggest mistake was on Josh Hamilton. I missed him by a distance that has to be calculated in light years.

OnBaseMachine
01-21-2009, 01:00 PM
I was also fine with the Corey Patterson signing last year. I saw a guy that was a strong defensive center fielder and had shown glimpses of potential with the bat in past years. I thought the move to the hitter friendly GABP would do him some good and he'd return to the .750+ OPS hitter that he was in 2003, 2004, and 2006. I was wrong.

SMcGavin
01-21-2009, 04:58 PM
I thought Dunn was going to be an uber-star as well. I remember reading an ESPN article that I believe was written during the offseason after his rookie year. It asked a collection of baseball guys to choose which players aged 25 and under they would take to start a franchise with, and pooled the results. #1 was Alex Rodriguez. #2 was Adam Dunn.

I also thought Luke Hudson was going to have a big 2005 after his late-season mirage the previous year (in my defense this was during the infancy of my sabermetric days).

OnBaseMachine
01-21-2009, 05:04 PM
I thought Dunn was going to be an uber-star as well. I remember reading an ESPN article that I believe was written during the offseason after his rookie year. It asked a collection of baseball guys to choose which players aged 25 and under they would take to start a franchise with, and pooled the results. #1 was Alex Rodriguez. #2 was Adam Dunn.


Same here. While Dunn has had a great career, I thought he was going to be a .400 OBP+/.600 SLG type of player who consistently hit 45+ homers and would post some .450+ OBP seasons. I think Bob Boone/Jim Bowden messed him up when they recommended he start pulling the ball more. IIRC that happened in the middle of 2002. At the All-Star break that year, Dunner was hitting .300/.452/.544 - .996. He struggled in the second half of that year and his struggles carried over into 2003 before he broke out with a huge 2004 season. He's had a great career but like you said, I thought he would going to be an uber-star.

Tom Servo
01-23-2009, 12:00 PM
Kirk Saarloos.

I thought he would be a good #4 starter given his success in the AL as a starter, but I was ignoring those nasty periphrials that mth and others were harping on.

TeamCasey
01-26-2009, 07:00 PM
I thought Austin Kearns was naturally a better player than Dunn. I still can't figure out what happened to that guy.

Patrick Bateman
01-26-2009, 07:13 PM
I was fine with the Patterson signing last year.

I thought Jason LaRue had another decent season left in his tank after 2005.

I thought D'Angelo Jiminez would get better as he moved into his theoretical prime.

I was wrong on all of these too. Not to mention Matt Belisle and Todd Coffey. I also thought Austin Kearns would be good enough to have a moniker named after him.



Yet my biggest mistake was on Josh Hamilton. I missed him by a distance that has to be calculated in light years.

And I think this is about the only thing I've been right on lately haha. However, as much as I think turning that asset into Edinson Volquez was the right move, I think I'd rather have Hamilton because, even at the Reds worst, Josh Hamilton was enough to get me excited for a Reds game.

IslandRed
01-26-2009, 07:15 PM
I was fine with the Patterson signing last year.


I was also fine with the Corey Patterson signing last year.

Me three. At the time, I wrote something like "squint hard and you can see Cesar Geronimo." I didn't want him leading off and I thought he was collecting a few too many simoleons, but I figured he'd be fine in the eight hole while playing the excellent center-field defense we desperately needed between Dunn and Griffey. Well, at least we got the defense part right.

wheels
01-26-2009, 07:42 PM
I was all about Felipe Lopez.

I'm sure it's already been mentioned, but I thought he'd be a great offensive shortstop.

Woof.

IslandRed
01-26-2009, 10:18 PM
I was all about Felipe Lopez.

I'm sure it's already been mentioned, but I thought he'd be a great offensive shortstop.

Woof.

You were right for a year, anyway.

chicoruiz
01-27-2009, 07:46 AM
I thought Jeff Austin would eventually figure it out.

And there was a guy some of you might remember called Mo Sanford who I thought had "star' written all over him.

TRF
01-27-2009, 09:44 AM
I was a huge supporter of Seth Etherton, thought Belisle was turning into another Aaron Harang, and believed FeLo was the Reds leadoff solution.

wheels
01-27-2009, 04:47 PM
I saw Johnny Ruffin's first ever start against the Rockies (unwittingly sat in Marge's section), and thought "Wow! We could have another Rijo on our hands..."

Again....Woof.

princeton
01-27-2009, 04:56 PM
I once started a thread about how quickly short righthanded pitchers flame out, and stated that in spite of that I'd sign Danny Graves to a three year deal.

TOBTTReds
01-27-2009, 05:01 PM
I only read the first two pages...but not much of a mention of Brandon Larson. I thought he was going to be amazing. I followed him in college and was thrilled when we drafted him.

I thought the Lizard and Belisle would be #4 starters and neither could hold down a 5th spot.

To my credit though, I always hated Derek Anderson's game, he sucks at QB...oh sorry, wrong sport.

marcshoe
01-27-2009, 05:56 PM
I thought Kal Daniels was Superman. After all, Kal El was part of his name.

I saw Buddy Carlisle pitch several times in Class A and thought he was the next Tom Browning. I sat behind a scout once and saw him topping out at 89 or 90, though, and started to wonder. Acevedo had better stuff (iirc, I once saw them pitch the two halfs of a double-header), and I thought he'd make it if he improved his command.

Gary Redus I kept trying to talk myself into. I did think that Roberto (Bobby) Kelly was a good return for O'Neill.

The seventies were better. More players panned out. I'd probably have to go to Manny Sarmiento to find one I overrated back then. Or maybe Santo Alcala.

Big Klu
01-27-2009, 07:52 PM
Gary Redus I kept trying to talk myself into. I did think that Roberto (Bobby) Kelly was a good return for O'Neill.

I think Roberto Kelly was a good return for Paul O'Neill--at the time. Kelly was an All-Star OF for the Reds in his first season, and it appeared to me that O'Neill had reached a plateau. Who knew that Kelly would flame out, and O'Neill would become the Hero of the Bronx?

Though to be fair, it is very possible that Big Paulie would never have had that much success if he had remained in Cincinnati. He really needed a change in scenery.



Now for my confessions:

I believed Pete Rose.

I liked the Leon Durham trade.

I didn't care for the John Franco/Randy Myers trade. Why trade an elite left-handed closer for another lefty reliever? I came around big-time though!

I thought Rolando Roomes would be the next Eric Davis.

I thought Mike Kelly would be the next Eric Davis.

I hated trading Kal Daniels and Lenny Harris for Tim Leary and Mariano Duncan. I was OK with Duncan, but I hated Leary. (Everything became copacetic when Leary was then flipped to the Yankees during the offseason for minor-league OF/1B Hal Morris. A friend of mine in college who followed minor-league baseball told me I would be very satisfied with Hal.)

I drank the Felipe Lopez Kool-Aid.

I thought Wily Mo Peņa would overcome his shortcomings and become a star.

I hated trading Josh Hamilton for Edinson Volquez. Edinson's performance last season assuaged my uneasiness somewhat, but I am still unsure that the Reds didn't trade the wrong OF (Bruce).

11larkin11
01-27-2009, 08:28 PM
I only read the first two pages...but not much of a mention of Brandon Larson. I thought he was going to be amazing. I followed him in college and was thrilled when we drafted him.

I thought the Lizard and Belisle would be #4 starters and neither could hold down a 5th spot.

To my credit though, I always hated Derek Anderson's game, he sucks at QB...oh sorry, wrong sport.

Same!

Johnny Footstool
01-27-2009, 10:15 PM
No one 'fessed up to being wrong about Majewski.

KronoRed
01-27-2009, 10:37 PM
No one 'fessed up to being wrong about Majewski.

I will, I though he would be awful, turned out he was horribly awful.

camisadelgolf
01-28-2009, 12:30 AM
No one 'fessed up to being wrong about Majewski.

I was wrong. I thought he'd put up a 4.50-ish ERA at some point.

Ron Madden
01-28-2009, 05:54 AM
No one 'fessed up to being wrong about Majewski.

I don't think Wayne "Special K" is a member of RedsZone.

;)