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schroomytunes
01-19-2009, 06:20 PM
According to rotoworld we have just signes Gomes to a minor league contract. I think he will be the 25th man off the bench come opening day. He has decent pop, but strikes out a ton

dougdirt
01-19-2009, 06:22 PM
Chris Dickerson has a platoon partner now.

*BaseClogger*
01-19-2009, 06:24 PM
He clobbers lefties. Good pickup...

Marty and Joe
01-19-2009, 06:25 PM
I like it. Major pop from the right side - when he makes contact, of course. Low risk - minor-league contract - decent upside.

RedLegSuperStar
01-19-2009, 06:26 PM
Mlbtr.com is reporting this as well.. Low risk as its for 600k with incentives of just 200k

Benihana
01-19-2009, 06:28 PM
I like it

*BaseClogger*
01-19-2009, 06:29 PM
Mlbtr.com is reporting this as well.. Low risk as its for 600k with incentives of just 200k

Sorry, just a pet peeve. MLBTR doesn't report anything, they just link to the reports. It was Marc Topkin of the St. Petersburg Times who reporting the signing...

Caveat Emperor
01-19-2009, 06:35 PM
This move makes a ton of sense if it is a precursor to signing Jim Edmonds on a 1yr deal. The team could platoon the two in LF (Gomes v. LHP, Edmonds v. RHP) for a pretty damn productive outfield:

Gomes: .879 OPS v. LHP (career)
Edmonds: .954 OPS v. RHP (career)

It'd be a fairly cheap, short-term solution to the LF problem that I could live with.

AmarilloRed
01-19-2009, 06:39 PM
Gomes agreed Monday to a minor-league contract with the Reds that will pay him a $600,000 salary, with the chance for another $200,000 in incentives, if he makes the big-league team. More important for Gomes will be the chance to get regular playing time as the Reds head into camp with an opening for a leftfielder and short on outfield bats.

Jonny Gomes, your starting LFer.:rolleyes: At the very least, he will be given the opportunity to win the job in spring training. I hope Dickerson is given the same chance.

camisadelgolf
01-19-2009, 06:42 PM
I'm amazed at how little he will be getting paid. Great pickup imo.

*BaseClogger*
01-19-2009, 06:42 PM
It should be noted that he's mediocre against righties and coupled with his poor defense it would be ridiculous not to platoon him...

Tom Servo
01-19-2009, 06:45 PM
Great low risk signing.

VR
01-19-2009, 06:48 PM
Great low risk signing.

Yes, decent bench bat at a minimum. I'm not convinced he can play in the field, but it's not a crazy acquisition.

nate
01-19-2009, 06:54 PM
Not bad. The price is right. Hopefully, he can win the showcase showdown.

jesusfan
01-19-2009, 07:00 PM
Nice... I really like this move. We really needed someone to mash lefties and he certainly does that..

Tom Servo
01-19-2009, 07:06 PM
http://www.rotoworld.com/images/headshots/MLB/3784.jpg
"Reds huh? *Arches eyebrow* Yeah...I GUESS I'll play for you guys..."

RedsManRick
01-19-2009, 07:20 PM
Career Splits:

vL: 489 PA, .266/.369/.510, 26.0 K%
vR: 981 PA, .220/.309/.428, 29.2 K%

Dunn comes in at a K% of 26.4, for reference. A Gomes/Dickerson platoon could be quite productive.

Raisor
01-19-2009, 07:22 PM
06-08
886 AB's

.221 .317 .434 .751

Falls City Beer
01-19-2009, 07:27 PM
This move makes a ton of sense if it is a precursor to signing Jim Edmonds on a 1yr deal. The team could platoon the two in LF (Gomes v. LHP, Edmonds v. RHP) for a pretty damn productive outfield:

Gomes: .879 OPS v. LHP (career)
Edmonds: .954 OPS v. RHP (career)

It'd be a fairly cheap, short-term solution to the LF problem that I could live with.

Now you're talking.

lollipopcurve
01-19-2009, 07:30 PM
This move makes a ton of sense if it is a precursor to signing Jim Edmonds on a 1yr deal.

No need for Edmonds with Dickerson around.

Gomes is a very solid signing. Jocketty putting together a much better bench than we've seen in a while.

Highlifeman21
01-19-2009, 07:31 PM
Didn't see this move coming...

It's so un-Reds.

It's actually a good move....

Highlifeman21
01-19-2009, 07:32 PM
This move makes a ton of sense if it is a precursor to signing Jim Edmonds on a 1yr deal. The team could platoon the two in LF (Gomes v. LHP, Edmonds v. RHP) for a pretty damn productive outfield:

Gomes: .879 OPS v. LHP (career)
Edmonds: .954 OPS v. RHP (career)

It'd be a fairly cheap, short-term solution to the LF problem that I could live with.

The only downside is that we could never listen to George Grande ever again.

... like ever.

reds44
01-19-2009, 07:32 PM
I'm gonna guess he platoons with Dickerson in LF and Hairston plays SS.

jesusfan
01-19-2009, 07:39 PM
I'm gonna guess he platoons with Dickerson in LF and Hairston plays SS.

That's what I'm thinking...

1. Taveras
2. Hairston
3. Votto
4. Encarnacion
5. Bruce
6. Phillips
7. Gomes/Dickerson
8. Hernandez

wheels
01-19-2009, 07:42 PM
I ain't knocking this move.

Not at that price.

RFS62
01-19-2009, 07:46 PM
Nice move.

RedEye
01-19-2009, 07:54 PM
Nice, low-risk move. I agree with the majority of the posters so far. Now, if a Dickerson/Gomes LF platoon in '09 is a low-cost, money-saving precursor to Holliday playing that position in '10, then I'm even more for it.

Caseyfan21
01-19-2009, 08:03 PM
It's been quite some time since I've seen such universal like for a move on Redszone. What is going on here? I do like the move though. Low risk, and we can use a good bat against lefties.

Raisor
01-19-2009, 08:06 PM
As a strict platoon player, this is a very good move.

Can't give him many PA's against RHP. Sub 310 OBP vs RHP for his career.

With Gomes, Phillips, Eddie, all smashing LHP, it's time to bring in a LHB.

jesusfan
01-19-2009, 08:10 PM
As a strict platoon player, this is a very good move.

Can't give him many PA's against RHP. Sub 310 OBP vs RHP for his career.

With Gomes, Phillips, Eddie, all smashing LHP, it's time to bring in a LHB.

Hernandez hits lefties very well also...

Last 3 years: .277 .347 .459 .806

flyer85
01-19-2009, 08:13 PM
he sure strikes out a lot

RedsManRick
01-19-2009, 08:15 PM
he sure strikes out a lot

Doesn't play a very good LF either. But as long as he doesn't take many walks, we should be safe.

Highlifeman21
01-19-2009, 08:16 PM
Doesn't play a very good LF either. But as long as he doesn't take many walks, we should be safe.

What's his BA w/ RISP?

flyer85
01-19-2009, 08:18 PM
Doesn't play a very good LF either. But as long as he doesn't take many walks, we should be safe.

:beerme:

flyer85
01-19-2009, 08:18 PM
What's his BA w/ RISP?he may be krispy

Raisor
01-19-2009, 08:19 PM
What's his BA w/ RISP?

.228

SMcGavin
01-19-2009, 08:21 PM
As long as he's deployed correctly (platoon, bench bat vs LHP), it's a nice pickup. Scooping up platoon guys like Gomes is often a cost-effective way of turning a negative position into a neutral one. I'm glad to see the Reds going this route if they aren't going to spend for a legit everyday LF.

Caveat Emperor
01-19-2009, 08:21 PM
No need for Edmonds with Dickerson around.

Gomes is a very solid signing. Jocketty putting together a much better bench than we've seen in a while.

I like Chris Dickerson as much as the next guy, but we're talking about a guy with a career minor league split v. RHP of .272 / .364 / .464. I don't know that he's a good bet to hit numbers as high as that against big league pitching once he's been around the league a time or two.

Edmonds, while vilified by many on here, has a career split v. RHP of .296 / .393 / .562. Even as recently as last season, he posted .250 / .362 / .521 numbers -- not shabby in the slightest (and they include 26 games in the deadball zone that is Petco Park). He should do VERY well at GABP, especially if he isn't asked to be an everyday player AND if he is transitioned to LF, reducing the wear on his legs in the OF.

PLUS -- though we know it's unlikely to happen, there would be nothing stopping the Reds from playing BOTH Edmonds (LF) and Dickerson (CF) against RHPs...

SteelSD
01-19-2009, 08:22 PM
And I shall call him "Mini-Dunn".

Very solid low-risk move for the organization. Gomes looked to be on track for a great 2006 with a .352 OBP/.511 1st half of the season, but a right shoulder injury completely obliterated the remainder of his season (.254 OBP/.219 SLG in the 2nd half). His 2008 was scary, but weird things can happen over 150-odd AB sample sizes like a .200 BABIP driven by a freakishly low 10.1% Line Drive rate. If he's all the way back from that injury, I'd expect an OPS in the low to mid-.800 range (higher if he gets the lion's share of his PA versus LHP).

Of course, the problem is that Gomes actually is the kind of fielder your average casual fan thought Dunn was.

edabbs44
01-19-2009, 08:24 PM
I'm just glad that no one has brought up Dunn in this thread.

membengal
01-19-2009, 08:31 PM
I join the consensus. Nice move, Walt. If Dickerson is to be a LF for this team, then he is best maximized in a platoon, and Gomes is a nice candidate for the RH part of that platoon.

CE...I could get behind what you muse as well w/Edmonds, but sure would like to find Dickerson a spot. CF, say. At any rate, if they were to get an Edmonds to go with Gomes, that would be nice as well. Good way to cover LF in the short-term.

edabbs44
01-19-2009, 08:34 PM
Solid move on Walt's part...hopefully Gomes' decline was injury related.

I'm a big fan of exploiting platoon matchups on the cheap, and in the NL it is big to have guys on the bench who can truly neutralize lefty relievers.

wheels
01-19-2009, 08:36 PM
What will they do with Hopper if Jonny lights in up in the spring?

Is Norris now toast?

Oh, and I like how Walt made up for signing a guy named Laynce by bringing in a guy named Jonny. Evens out the roster.

Highlifeman21
01-19-2009, 08:38 PM
.228

He's perfect

It's like Pat Burrell-lite

mbgrayson
01-19-2009, 08:40 PM
Well I don't know....

Gomes in 2008:

.182/.282/.383 for an OPS of .666 . He hit 8 HRs, and had 8 steals in 9 attempts, in 154 ABs. Struck out 46 times, which is a K rate of almost 30%, was HBP 7 times, and walked 15 times. Gomes was also very 'hit unlucky' last year, with a BABIP of only .200. His line drive rate was only 10.1%, ground ball rate of 33.9%, and fly ball rate of 56%.

Not great in the field, although he DH'd last year too. Range factor in LF in 2008 was 2.93 in 9 games, and was 1.80 in RF in 21 games. For comparison, Dunn had a range factor in 2008 of 1.97. (Per Bill James 2009 Handbook).

IF they platoon him with Dickerson, it might work out. However, I really question giving up on Dickerson vs. lefties. Although Gomes is only going to be 28 next year, and Dickerson will be turning 27 this April, I wonder if we owe Dickerson more of a chance to play every day, based on his call up numbers last year.

pahster
01-19-2009, 08:43 PM
With Gomes, Phillips, Eddie, all smashing LHP, it's time to bring in a LHB.

http://z.about.com/d/cleveland/1/0/p/f/-/-/valentin.jpg

Raisor
01-19-2009, 08:45 PM
http://z.about.com/d/cleveland/1/0/p/f/-/-/valentin.jpg


You're going to give Chip the vapors.

Highlifeman21
01-19-2009, 08:48 PM
What will they do with Hopper if Jonny lights in up in the spring?

Is Norris now toast?

Oh, and I like how Walt made up for signing a guy named Laynce by bringing in a guy named Jonny. Evens out the roster.

Hopper should have been toast before Gomes.

Hopefully adding Gomes now confirms this.

The real question is: What happens to Laynce Nix?

Jpup
01-19-2009, 08:59 PM
He's terrible. The Reds are certainly not trying to win.

dougdirt
01-19-2009, 09:01 PM
He's terrible. The Reds are certainly not trying to win.

Terrible is a pretty big stretch. Its also worth noting this signing is next to nothing, the guy isn't even on the 40 man roster currently.

Jpup
01-19-2009, 09:02 PM
Terrible is a pretty big stretch. Its also worth noting this signing is next to nothing, the guy isn't even on the 40 man roster currently.

He'll be the starting left fielder and play almost everyday. Yes, he is terrible IMO. Jocketty is not very good at assessing talent.

jesusfan
01-19-2009, 09:07 PM
He'll be the starting left fielder and play almost everyday. Yes, he is terrible IMO. Jocketty is not very good at assessing talent.

Everyday player, yes he's terrible...

Hitting against lefties 2 times a week and pinch-hitting, he's a solid pick-up...

It's all about how you use a guy, do I trust Dusty to use guys correctly, hey now I can't promise you everything!;)

Jpup
01-19-2009, 09:08 PM
Hitting against lefties 2 times a week and pinch-hitting, he's a solid pick-up...

He's your right handed "run producing bat" except that he doesn't produce runs. He makes way too many outs and will be played in the wrong situations.

edabbs44
01-19-2009, 09:10 PM
He'll be the starting left fielder and play almost everyday. Yes, he is terrible IMO. Jocketty is not very good at assessing talent.

At least you're not speculating...

*BaseClogger*
01-19-2009, 09:12 PM
Come on Jpup!

I was just about to mention how people are wrong to think that the board is always negative about all transactions...

Jpup
01-19-2009, 09:16 PM
Come on Jpup!

I was just about to mention how people are wrong to think that the board is always negative about all transactions...

There is nothing to be optimistic about with the Reds offseason. Jocketty has gone out and signed two of the worst options for the outfield and traded for an aging catcher with a history of clubhouse problems. The Reds will not sniff 70 wins in 09. I'm sick and tired of the losing and this offseason has done nothing but cement the fact that it will continue. There are a ton of guys out there that are actually good and would help the Reds. I just don't understand it.

corkedbat
01-19-2009, 09:19 PM
I like this signing. I've been screaming for more pop off the bench for two years now. With Gomes, Owings and possibly Dickerson - it looks better as long as Dusty uses Gomes correctly. :scared:

We could end up seeing a platioon of Dickerson/Gomes, but there's probably room for another OF. I'm still holding out vain hope for Abreu full-time, but I'd settle for Edmonds with Gomes against lefties.

Actually, if they won't sign Abreu, I'd like to see Edmons brought in to paltoon with Gomes in LF and then have Dickerson play well enoguh in ST to force a platoon in CF with Taveras and limit Willy's appearances to starts against LH starters, late-inning pinch-running assignmnets or as a defensive replacemrnt with Dickerson moving to LF.

*BaseClogger*
01-19-2009, 09:25 PM
There is nothing to be optimistic about with the Reds offseason. Jocketty has gone out and signed two of the worst options for the outfield and traded for an aging catcher with a history of clubhouse problems. The Reds will not sniff 70 wins in 09. I'm sick and tired of the losing and this offseason has done nothing but cement the fact that it will continue. There are a ton of guys out there that are actually good and would help the Reds. I just don't understand it.

You think the Reds could have turned themselves into contenders this offseason? I don't see it. This is a low-risk move that should be very effective if used correctly...

dougdirt
01-19-2009, 09:32 PM
There is nothing to be optimistic about with the Reds offseason. Jocketty has gone out and signed two of the worst options for the outfield and traded for an aging catcher with a history of clubhouse problems. The Reds will not sniff 70 wins in 09. I'm sick and tired of the losing and this offseason has done nothing but cement the fact that it will continue. There are a ton of guys out there that are actually good and would help the Reds. I just don't understand it.

70 wins? I will take a bet on that one.

Jpup
01-19-2009, 09:32 PM
You think the Reds could have turned themselves into contenders this offseason? I don't see it. This is a low-risk move that should be very effective if used correctly...

Yes, I think they could easily improved enough to make a run at the wild card. They still could if they would spend some coin.

Tom Servo
01-19-2009, 09:33 PM
There's a good number of thing to be upset with this team about, but signing Jonny Gomes to a minor league deal for $600,000 shouldn't be one of them.

Jpup
01-19-2009, 09:34 PM
There's a good number of thing to be upset with this team about, but signing Jonny Gomes to a minor league deal for $600,000 shouldn't be one of them.

Tell me that in June when he has started almost every game.

OnBaseMachine
01-19-2009, 09:43 PM
Nice pickup for the bench or as a platoon in left field. I've always been a fan of Jonny Gomes. Now sign Bobby Abreu...

Far East
01-19-2009, 09:44 PM
...Actually, if they won't sign Abreu, I'd like to see Edmons brought in to paltoon with Gomes in LF and then have Dickerson play well enoguh in ST to force a platoon in CF with Taveras and limit Willy's appearances to starts against LH starters, late-inning pinch-running assignmnets or as a defensive replacemrnt with Dickerson moving to LF.

The starting eight would terrorize right-hand pitchers:

1. Hairston
2. Dickerson
3. Votto
4. Phillips
5. Bruce
6. Encarnacion
7. Edmonds
8. Hernandez

Crosley68
01-19-2009, 09:44 PM
I personally like the options it gives us. However, like almost everyone else here, I worry about not the players but the use of them. I think most of us would like to have 8everyday players to remove much of the damage the manager can cause, but it doesn't seem like that will be the case for this year. So I will try to be optimistic.

RedsManRick
01-19-2009, 09:46 PM
The starting eight would terrorize right-hand pitchers:

1. Hairston
2. Dickerson
3. Votto
4. Phillips
5. Bruce
6. Encarnacion
7. Edmonds
8. Hernandez

Except for the fact that the guy batting cleanup has a career .249/.294/.394 versus righties...

Frankly, I'm not sure any combination of current Reds terrorizes anybody.

*BaseClogger*
01-19-2009, 09:46 PM
The starting eight would terrorize right-hand pitchers:

1. Hairston
2. Dickerson
3. Votto
4. Phillips
5. Bruce
6. Encarnacion
7. Edmonds
8. Hernandez

Phillips hitting cleanup terrorizes righties?

Caveat Emperor
01-19-2009, 09:51 PM
Actually, if they won't sign Abreu, I'd like to see Edmons brought in to paltoon with Gomes in LF and then have Dickerson play well enoguh in ST to force a platoon in CF with Taveras and limit Willy's appearances to starts against LH starters, late-inning pinch-running assignmnets or as a defensive replacemrnt with Dickerson moving to LF.

Vs. RHP:

1. Dickerson - CF
2. Hairston - SS
3. Votto - 1B
4. Bruce - RF
5. Encarnacion - 3B
6. Edmonds - LF
7. Phillips - 2B
8. Hernandez -C
9. Pitcher

Vs. LHP:

1. Hairston - SS
2. Votto - 1B
3. Phillips - 2B
4. Encarnacion - 3B
5. Gomes - LF
6. Bruce - RF
7. Hernandez - C
8. Taveras - CF
9. Pitcher

If the team isn't going to make any big splashes in the FA or Trade market, I think I could live with both of those lineups going out on a nightly basis. There is at least some potential for run scoring there, if everyone is deployed effectively. Plus, as pointed out earlier in the thread, Gomes (and Owings, to a lesser extent) provides a solid LOOGY-neutralizing bat off the bench in the late innings.

But, I really don't think we'll see either of those two lineups ever.

RedLegSuperStar
01-19-2009, 09:51 PM
I don't think Walt is done... - can see him still matching up with the Yankees for either Columbus, Ohio native Swisher or perhaps Nady. Walt said he was searching for a bench bat and low an behold he signs Jonny Gomes.. Layne Nix will likely start the season in AAA along with Norris Hopper. I would like to see an outfield of Nady, Bruce, Taveras, Dickerson, and Gomes. Also I am still hoping for that Mark Mulder inkage to accure...

pahster
01-19-2009, 09:58 PM
Also I am still hoping for that Mark Mulder inkage to accure...

Why?

gonelong
01-19-2009, 10:02 PM
Phillips hitting cleanup terrorizes righties?

I'm a righty, maybe he was referring to me being terrorized by Phillips batting cleanup? :D

GL

RedLegSuperStar
01-19-2009, 10:58 PM
Why?

because the number 5 slot in the rotation is a big bunch of if's. Mark Mulder is said to be the "could be bargain pick of the year." Plus when the season ended that was one move that Walt said he would look into. Although he did say his number one priority was to get a RH run producing bat... will see. I'm hoping something will happen between now and the end of Spring Training.

redsfan4445
01-19-2009, 11:02 PM
great pickup and a bargain!!

OnBaseMachine
01-19-2009, 11:04 PM
Reds sign outfielder Gomes
Right-handed power hitter adds to team's depth, could challenge for spot in left field.

By Staff report

Tampa Bay Rays' Carlos Pena (23) congratulates teammate Jonny Gomes after both scored on Gomes' fourth-inning home run against the Oakland Athletics in a baseball game Wednesday, July 23, 2008, in St. Petersburg, Fla.Click to enlarge

The Cincinnati Reds added another bat to their left field mix on Monday, Jan. 19, as they agreed to terms with former Tampa Bay Rays outfielder Jonny Gomes on a minor-league contract with an invitation to spring training.

The deal was confirmed by the team, but terms weren't disclosed. However, the St. Petersburg (Fla.) Times reported a base salary of $600,000 with a potential $200,000 in added incentives.

"I had other deals for more money but this is the best fit,'' Gomes told The Times. "I'm really stoked.''

Gomes, 28, a 6-foot-1, 225-pound right-handed hitter, burst onto the scene in 2005. He finished third in the American League Rookie of the Year voting after hitting 21 homers with a .282 batting average in 348 at-bats for the Rays.

But Gomes has struggled in subsequent seasons, bottoming out in 2008 with a .182 batting average and 8 homers in 154 at-bats. The Rays then left him off the World Series roster and decided to not tender him a contract after the season.

For his career, Gomes is a .235 hitter with 66 homers and 184 RBIs. He ranks fifth on Tampa Bay's career home run list, first among right-handed hitters.

http://www.daytondailynews.com/s/content/oh/story/sports/pro/reds/2009/01/20/ddn012009spreds.html

jesusfan
01-19-2009, 11:12 PM
Glad he's stoked... Want to guess what they promised him..??? I bet I know...

redsfan4445
01-19-2009, 11:13 PM
well he can wear his #31 he wore with the Rays.. Belisle is gone

Big Klu
01-19-2009, 11:22 PM
I don't think Walt is done... - can see him still matching up with the Yankees for either Columbus, Ohio native Swisher or perhaps Nady. Walt said he was searching for a bench bat and low an behold he signs Jonny Gomes.. Layne Nix will likely start the season in AAA along with Norris Hopper. I would like to see an outfield of Nady, Bruce, Taveras, Dickerson, and Gomes. Also I am still hoping for that Mark Mulder inkage to accure...

Nick Swisher may have been born in Columbus, but his hometown is Parkersburg, WV.

cincrazy
01-19-2009, 11:42 PM
His career OBP is .329. So in other words, he's hitting second in the lineup after Taveras. In other words, Bruce and Votto will have zero runners on base all season.

nate
01-19-2009, 11:44 PM
Glad he's stoked... Want to guess what they promised him..??? I bet I know...

A slightly used couch and an official Corey Patterson, "10-game virgin" bat?

Tom Servo
01-19-2009, 11:44 PM
His career OBP is .329. So in other words, he's hitting second in the lineup after Taveras. In other words, Bruce and Votto will have zero runners on base all season.
Shortstop hits second, dude.

Blitz Dorsey
01-19-2009, 11:51 PM
Nick Swisher may have been born in Columbus, but his hometown is Parkersburg, WV.

Born in Columbus, went to Ohio State... we're claiming him! Haha.

Sea Ray
01-20-2009, 12:11 AM
Edmonds, while vilified by many on here, has a career split v. RHP of .296 / .393 / .562. Even as recently as last season, he posted .250 / .362 / .521 numbers -- not shabby in the slightest (and they include 26 games in the deadball zone that is Petco Park). He should do VERY well at GABP, especially if he isn't asked to be an everyday player AND if he is transitioned to LF, reducing the wear on his legs in the OF.

PLUS -- though we know it's unlikely to happen, there would be nothing stopping the Reds from playing BOTH Edmonds (LF) and Dickerson (CF) against RHPs...

This team has to go young. If you sign Edmonds then there's really no reason to keep Dickerson around. A team like the Reds need not sign an aging veteran like Edmonds if it means booting Dickerson off the roster. They need to take a chance that someone like Dickerson will develop.

*BaseClogger*
01-20-2009, 12:12 AM
This team has to go young. If you sign Edmonds then there's really no reason to keep Dickerson around. A team like the Reds need not sign an aging veteran like Edmonds if it means booting Dickerson off the roster. They need to take a chance that someone like Dickerson will develop.

I agree, but the person who should be taken off the roster is Taveras. If you want to play Dickerson it should be in CF where his value is maximized...

Sea Ray
01-20-2009, 12:18 AM
I agree, but the person who should be taken off the roster is Taveras. If you want to play Dickerson it should be in CF where his value is maximized...

I think they've made the determination that Dickerson can't stay healthy playing CF regularly. Whether that assessment is accurate or not, who knows, but I think we have to accept that Taveras is our CF as of Opening Day. They didn't sign him to be taken off the roster. Just trying to be realistic here.

Topcat
01-20-2009, 12:24 AM
I am pleased that the Red's got Gomes. I think he will do a decent job in the reds home ballpark:thumbup:

*BaseClogger*
01-20-2009, 12:27 AM
I think they've made the determination that Dickerson can't stay healthy playing CF regularly. Whether that assessment is accurate or not, who knows, but I think we have to accept that Taveras is our CF as of Opening Day. They didn't sign him to be taken off the roster. Just trying to be realistic here.

Yeah, I realize that. I just feel that Edmonds is a better fit than Taveras. Plus, I disagree with their stance that Dickerson is more likely to stay healthy in LF...

MartyFan
01-20-2009, 12:33 AM
Nick Swisher may have been born in Columbus, but his hometown is Parkersburg, WV.


Go Big Reds!

WVPacman
01-20-2009, 12:52 AM
Hitting stats since 03

SEASON G AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI TB BB SO SB CS OBP SLG AVG
2003 8 15 1 2 1 0 0 0 3 0 6 0 0 .188 .200 .133
2004 5 14 0 1 0 0 0 1 1 1 6 0 0 .133 .071 .071
2005 101 348 61 98 13 6 21 54 186 39 113 9 5 .372 .534 .282
2006 117 385 53 83 21 1 20 59 166 61 116 1 5 .325 .431 .216
2007 107 348 48 85 20 2 17 49 160 35 126 12 4 .322 .460 .244
2008 77 154 23 28 5 1 8 21 59 15 46 8 1 .282 .383 .182


Fielding stats since 05

SEASON POS G GS INN TC PO A E DP PB SB CS RF FPCT
2005 OF 50 48 401.0 109 98 7 4 1 --- --- --- 2.36 .963
2006 OF 8 8 60.0 19 19 0 0 0 --- --- --- 2.85 1.000
2007 OF 57 50 439.0 100 95 5 0 2 --- --- --- 2.05 1.000
2008 OF 30 21 165.0 39 38 0 1 0 --- --- --- 2.07 .974

KronoRed
01-20-2009, 01:38 AM
I like this as a bench signing, of course I fully expect him to be the starting left fielder. :D

OnBaseMachine
01-20-2009, 02:44 AM
Gomes happy to be a Red
Monday 01-19-2009 10:41pm ET
Jonny Gomes is not only excited to play for the Cincinnati Reds, but heís excited about being a Cincinnati Red.

"I'm a big fan of the history of the game and to wear the same uniform as the Hit King, Charlie Hustle, Peter Edward Rose, that alone excites me," Gomes said Monday night after signing a minor league contract with the Reds worth $600,000, with another $200,000 in incentives, if he makes the big league team.

It doesn't just end there, of course. Like George Clooney, Gomes is attracted to the appeal of the Big Red Machine, and also the 1990 Reds featuring one of his former coaches and current Red first base coach Billy Hatcher. Gomes also said heís excited to play for Dusty Baker, whom he grew up watching with the Giants and the A's. As a Northern California native, he also grew up watching the Oakland A's team that current Red general manager Walt Jocketty helped build.

But of all of them, Rose is the one the 28-year old most identifies with. Years ago, Gomes was in Las Vegas and had bought a picture of Rose sliding head-first into home and went to a signing to have the Hit King sign his picture. While there, Gomes said he got to talking with Rose and Charlie Hustle gave him a jersey and signed it.

"That's No. 1 in my collection," Gomes said.

Gomes said he can't promise 4,256 hits, a .300 average or any other number, but he said he can promise two things when he gets on the field: "One, respect the game and the people who play the game and two, hustle," Gomes said. "It's a shame you can't say that about everyone because it's the easiest thing you can do, hustle."

Gomes struggled in 2008, hitting just .182 with eight home runs and 21 RBIs. In August, he was optioned to Class AAA Durham to make room for pitcher Ben Zoberist and was then recalled in September when the roster was expanded.

Gomes was not on the Rays' playoff roster, but was still one of the most visible Rays during the postseason, leading celebrations and rallying behind his teammates.

"From my background and my childhood and what it took to get to the big leagues, to get a chance to put on a uniform in the post-season, I'm not turning that down for the world," Gomes said. "We had a lot of blood, sweat and tears with those other 24 guys and I was going to be there for them and be a part of that."

Gomes, a right-handed hitter who has played both outfield corner spots and designated hitter, is a career .235 hitter with 66 home runs. In 2005, he was third in American League Rookie of the Year voting, hitting .282 with 21 home runs and 54 RBIs.

Jocketty could not be reached Monday night, but had said he was looking to get a player with some pop off the bench and Gomes could qualify. Gomes hit 20 homers in 2006 and 17 in 2007.

Gomes said he talked to Baker before signing, but hasnít talked to his manager or general manager since signing, so he doesnít know the Redsí plans for him.

"I'm going to come into camp 100 percent shape ready to play every day," Gomes said. "In eight years with Tampa, I was never promised a job, but I came into camp healthy, willing to play every day."

Gomes had spent his entire career with the Rays and said he doesn't know as much about the National League. He's, of course, heard how Great American Ball Park plays and is excited to play in the notoriously hitter-friendly park. Although he doesn't know many of the players on the Reds, he has looked at the roster and likes what he sees.

"I've gone through a lot of ups and downs watching with Tampa, I was there when I thought we could win 100 games, but what you want to see young upside and the least amount of distractions of possible in the clubhouse," Gomes said. "And the Reds have that."

With that, Gomes said he hopes he can provide a similar leadership to what he gave the Rays last season.

"I think one thing that's big in this game is leading by example and the other is success," Gomes said. "With success comes fun. That's what we did last year and we built off of that."

http://www.1530homer.com/pages/ctrent.html

Ron Madden
01-20-2009, 04:56 AM
According to rotoworld we have just signes Gomes to a minor league contract. I think he will be the 25th man off the bench come opening day. He has decent pop, but strikes out a ton

When you're allowed 25 men on the active roster you only need one guy to be the 25th man off the bench, we've got a half dozen of'em.

I'd much rather have Gomes than Hopper though.

membengal
01-20-2009, 07:36 AM
The Reds open with the Mets. Which means Santana. Having Gomes available to start that game against that particular lefty doesn't make me sad in the least.

Ravenlord
01-20-2009, 07:39 AM
i like this signing, a lot actually. very low risk with high reward potential, and decent reward likely.



career vs. LHP
Year AB H 2B 3B HR BB K AVG OBP SLG
2003 8 2 1 0 0 0 2 250 333 375
2004 6 0 0 0 0 0 3 000 143 000
2005 104 30 4 0 6 12 37 288 388 500
2006 101 30 9 1 7 24 24 297 438 614
2007 96 30 5 1 5 10 32 313 376 542
2008 99 18 1 1 7 9 29 182 281 424
Career 414 110 20 3 25 56 127 266 369 510
anyone remember what his shoulder injury was and when it occured? his first full year in 05 he actually put up a 914 OPS against RHP, is the decline there injury related?

redsmetz
01-20-2009, 08:35 AM
When you're allowed 25 men on the active roster you only need one guy to be the 25th man off the bench, we've got a half dozen of'em.

I'd much rather have Gomes than Hopper though.

I think the concept of a 25th man on the roster is a bit of a misnomer since you're really talking about the bench, not just one single player. Presumably your bench should be about five players. Your point is taken, but you ultimately have to have multiple "25th" players.

Kc61
01-20-2009, 09:01 AM
My guess is that this means the Reds have decided that left field is a platoon position this year. The idea of a Jermaine Dye or probably even a Bobby Abreu now seems unlikely. I guess Abreu could still happen if his price drops dramatically.

My guess is Gomes is set as the platoon righy hitter. The minor league contract is just a technicality.

The remaining question is the lefty hitter for left field. It could be Dickerson or it could be someone new, like an Edmonds.

I wouldn't be surprised to see the Reds add a lefty hitting outfielder, like an Edmonds, as a one year stop gap platoon player. They may see Dickerson as a backup at this point. That would mean Bruce, Taveras, new guy/Gomes platoon, Dickerson.

If they do plan to platoon Dickerson with Gomes, then we could see Nix as the fifth outfielder.

At this point, they probably don't count Hairston as an outfielder, likely they think of him as an infielder who can handle outfield if necessary.

This is a one year deal only, either Votto or Frazier or Dorn or somebody from the system will be in left by next year, with Alonso at first.

Unassisted
01-20-2009, 09:04 AM
That interview makes it appear that he's been tapped to fill the scrappiness void that was left by the departure of Freel. Golly, that's swell.

Danny Serafini
01-20-2009, 09:13 AM
After reading that interview I'm convinced that after one or two big hits Jonny Gomes will become a cult hero in Cincinnati.

REDREAD
01-20-2009, 09:29 AM
Well I don't know....

Gomes in 2008:

.182/.282/.383 for an OPS of .666 ..

I'm not sure he will outproduce Tavares next year, especially if you take defense into account. That said, he's another guy around peak years and is cheap, so there's not much to complain about. Good bottom feeding target to get us through these lean talent times. Nice depth move, but not much to get excited about. The Reds certainly needed to have a cattle call to fill some OF depth, since they apparently don't want to make a play for a major FA.

osuceltic
01-20-2009, 09:35 AM
Heaven forbid a guy talk about hustling. I knew when I read that quote that some here would jump on it.

No harm in this signing, but I'm not expecting much. This outfield, other than Bruce, is a disaster. SS is a disaster. Left side defense is a disaster. I really expected more from Jocketty this offseason. I guess he left the St. Louis Model in St. Louis and adopted the Cincinnati Model instead. Needless to say, I prefer the St. Louis Model.

Always Red
01-20-2009, 10:02 AM
Heaven forbid a guy talk about hustling. I knew when I read that quote that some here would jump on it.

No harm in this signing, but I'm not expecting much. This outfield, other than Bruce, is a disaster. SS is a disaster. Left side defense is a disaster. I really expected more from Jocketty this offseason. I guess he left the St. Louis Model in St. Louis and adopted the Cincinnati Model instead. Needless to say, I prefer the St. Louis Model.

I tend to agree with you, osuceltic. I think this season is shaping up to be a bleak one. Unless all the parts that have been assembled play better than they have in the past.

Jocketty came out and said the other day that the economy, the (lack of) season ticket renewals and (lack of) advertising for the upcoming season were all coming into play.


Jocketty said the free agents market is as quiet as it appears to be.

"Talking to other teams, everyone's waiting," he said. "Times are tight with the economy. Everybody's being very cautious. Things have been slow with season-ticket and advertising renewals."

Those big dollar demands could change as spring training nears.

To be fair to Jocketty, IMO, the Cards of the early 2000's had more money to work with that the Reds (or the Cards) of 2009.

Jpup
01-20-2009, 10:04 AM
I tend to agree with you, osuceltic. I think this season is shaping up to be a bleak one. Unless all the parts that have been assembled play better than they have in the past.

Jocketty came out and said the other day that the economy, the (lack of) season ticket renewals and (lack of) advertising for the upcoming season were all coming into play.



To be fair to Jocketty, IMO, the Cards of the early 2000's had more money to work with that the Reds (or the Cards) of 2009.

Jocketty was talking about it pertaining to other teams, I think. He said, about 2 weeks ago that the economy has not effected his off season.

NJReds
01-20-2009, 10:13 AM
Not a bad signing at all. Hopefully he finds his swing in Spring Training.

westofyou
01-20-2009, 10:15 AM
Jocketty came out and said the other day that the economy, the (lack of) season ticket renewals and (lack of) advertising for the upcoming season were all coming into play.


Nah, can't be, everyone keeps saying that all of baseball has money, especially here on RZ.

Jpup
01-20-2009, 10:18 AM
Nah, can't be, everyone keeps saying that all of baseball has money, especially here on RZ.

Where is the evidence that any one baseball team is in trouble? I don't see the Reds or many other teams shedding salary. The Padres sure talked about it, but Peavy still resides there. Jocketty also said that payroll should be about 80M in '09. I believe they are shy of that mark, at this point.

RANDY IN INDY
01-20-2009, 10:20 AM
Nah, can't be, everyone keeps saying that all of baseball has money, especially here on RZ.

Well, I guess the folks in the know at RZ would know.;)

nate
01-20-2009, 10:20 AM
Nah, can't be, everyone keeps saying that all of baseball has money, especially here on RZ.

Everyone?

Haven't seen it, myself.

Jpup
01-20-2009, 10:21 AM
Everyone?

Haven't seen it, myself.

Just me and maybe another person or two. :)

Always Red
01-20-2009, 10:21 AM
Jocketty was talking about it pertaining to other teams, I think. He said, about 2 weeks ago that the economy has not effected his off season.

And then he turned around and said what I quoted above to John Fay 2-3 days ago.

All I know is this: I look around and see more of my friends unemployed than ever, by a large margin.

Ask Ted Strickland if Ohio has escaped the wrath of this economy.

Baseball does not exist in a vacuum, or a parallel universe. This economy will cause a greater disparity than ever between the haves and the have nots in the game.

Always Red
01-20-2009, 10:24 AM
Nah, can't be, everyone keeps saying that all of baseball has money, especially here on RZ.

Cash flow is vital to any business, baseball is no exception. Lack of advertising revenue, attendance, and ticket renewals can lead to nothing but tightening belts.

nate
01-20-2009, 10:25 AM
Just me and maybe another person or two. :)

So it's you!

Can you round up the other guy and have them give me money? I'd love to have everyone giving me money!

:cool:

Jpup
01-20-2009, 10:26 AM
And then he turned around and said what I quoted above to John Fay 2-3 days ago.

All I know is this: I look around and see more of my friends unemployed than ever, by a large margin.

Ask Ted Strickland if Ohio has escaped the wrath of this economy.

Baseball does not exist in a vacuum, or a parallel universe. This economy will cause a greater disparity than ever between the haves and the have nots in the game.

I know, I was laid off for 5 weeks. A bunch of my coworkers are sitting at home without jobs and nowhere to find one. I may be next.

I just believe that baseball is in a vacuum. A lot of their revenue is set years and years in advance. It's not something that's going to change much on a year to year basis. The Brewers revenue has increased because they were creative. The Reds, not so much.

The Pirates just gave Adam LaRoche 7 million dollars. They seem to be OK despite their dismal attendance and "smallish" market.

osuceltic
01-20-2009, 10:28 AM
I tend to agree with you, osuceltic. I think this season is shaping up to be a bleak one. Unless all the parts that have been assembled play better than they have in the past.

Jocketty came out and said the other day that the economy, the (lack of) season ticket renewals and (lack of) advertising for the upcoming season were all coming into play.



To be fair to Jocketty, IMO, the Cards of the early 2000's had more money to work with that the Reds (or the Cards) of 2009.

The free agent market is depressed. Jocketty said they'd be active on the trade front, but they haven't been. We're holding onto marginal prospects like they're Jay Bruce-level talents. I just feel like they're punting the season when I see no prospects likely to have a significant impact even in 2010 -- other than MAYBE Alonso.

They have a pitching staff. They have young building block players in Bruce, Votto and Phillips. I thought they'd trade some prospects for realized major league talent, but no such luck. I've seen too many deals in the past year where teams gave up marginal prospect types for proven talent. The only true cost is money. I guess there's your answer.

westofyou
01-20-2009, 10:32 AM
Where is the evidence that any one baseball team is in trouble? I don't see the Reds or many other teams shedding salary. The Padres sure talked about it, but Peavy still resides there. Jocketty also said that payroll should be about 80M in '09. I believe they are shy of that mark, at this point.

Who said "trouble"?

Not me.

I say that any team with half a sense is doing business forecasting that involves all aspects of the game, and revenue.

Others believe that there is no need to worry, all baseball teams are rich.

"Rich" of course is a relative term.

Jpup
01-20-2009, 10:35 AM
Who said "trouble"?

Not me.

I say that any team with half a sense is doing business forecasting that involves all aspects of the game, and revenue.

Others believe that there is no need to worry, all baseball teams are rich.

"Rich" of course is a relative term.

I'm not saying the Reds have as much as the Yankees, but I will always believe they are making much, much more than they would lead you to believe.

Always Red
01-20-2009, 10:42 AM
I know, I was laid off for 5 weeks. A bunch of my coworkers are sitting at home without jobs and nowhere to find one. I may be next.

I just believe that baseball is in a vacuum. A lot of their revenue is set years and years in advance. It's not something that's going to change much on a year to year basis. The Brewers revenue has increased because they were creative. The Reds, not so much.

The Pirates just gave Adam LaRoche 7 million dollars. They seem to be OK despite their dismal attendance and "smallish" market.

I have to disagree, Jpup, I don't think baseball does exist in that vacuum. Yes, a lot of the future revenue is locked in, but is that guaranteed if those businesses fail or suffer big losses? When those TV contracts are redone, are they guaranteed to continue to increase as in the past, or will reflect the state of the economy today?

There is just a ton of uncertainty out there right now; I can't blame any baseball owner for not increasing payroll this year.

I hope you stay employed, Jpup! :thumbup:

dfs
01-20-2009, 10:46 AM
Is Norris now toast?
Norris is toast.


This signing is about as meaningful as the switch from Pepsi to Coke. I have no qualms about letting the dude come to spring training and potentially earning a roster spot. I have serious qualms about putting him on the roster and granting him a platoon role. There are a lot of very good baseball players out there that don't have a job and prices are going down every day.

membengal
01-20-2009, 10:55 AM
Who said "trouble"?

Not me.

I say that any team with half a sense is doing business forecasting that involves all aspects of the game, and revenue.

Others believe that there is no need to worry, all baseball teams are rich.

"Rich" of course is a relative term.

Full agreement. If the Reds have done that, and are pulling back, more power to them. That particular analysis ought to be happening in every home and business across the country and well. Tightening of belts is not an irrational reaction to the situation.

That said, I wish Bob C would come out and confirm as much for consistencies sake.

I still like the Gomes signing.

TRF
01-20-2009, 11:15 AM
I'll be one of the few that say I'm not a fan of this move.

Between Gomes, Nix, Taveras and Dickerson, this year's offense looks pretty bad. I'm a Dickerson fan, but I'll admit there is some uncertainty to what his game really is. I think the CD we saw at AAA/MLB is likely the real deal, but it's not written in stone. Plus all the speculation about using Gomes as a strict platoon partner implies Dusty will use him that way. I'm not seeing Dusty has any lineup aptitude whatsoever. While I'm not one to place a lot of weight on LF defense, Gomes is reportedly worse than Dunn, and no where near the bat. I expect he'll get the bulk of AB's in LF, and I think Nix will make the team as well as his actual platoon partner. I have no idea where that leaves Dickerson. Maybe as the 5th OF/platoon CF?

2 positions to fill, LF and SS. Abreu would have been a real pickup for LF. Gomes isn't even an also ran in comparison. Another example of the Reds treading water.

And it's a very JimBo like move too. Odd that I don't like it, because it is decent dumpster diving. I just doubt he can return to his 2005 form.

Cyclone792
01-20-2009, 11:17 AM
Cash flow is vital to any business, baseball is no exception. Lack of advertising revenue, attendance, and ticket renewals can lead to nothing but tightening belts.

If the belt tightening also involved passing on Taveras, it'd be a much more effective belt tightening project.

The Gomes signing is fine with me, but here's the thing: I'd be somewhat excited with the outfield if a Dorn/Gomes platoon manned left field and Dickerson took over center field. Instead we're paying out the nose for a bad player the team doesn't need, and one of Dorn or Dickerson will get snubbed. No, we do not necessarily know for sure how Dickerson and Dorn would perform with regular reps in a big league uniform, but we do know this for sure:

1) they'd get league minimum
2) they'll likely perform better than Taveras - perhaps even far better than Taveras

Even if you're unsure about a young player, if Willy Taveras is the alternative, you take the young player.

If this franchise is so worried about their revenues, then they really should have played to their strengths with some of their promising young players who have a chance to breakthrough.

Falls City Beer
01-20-2009, 11:30 AM
Every team aside from the Yankees is crying poormouth. Nonsense.

Always Red
01-20-2009, 11:36 AM
If the belt tightening also involved passing on Taveras, it'd be a much more effective belt tightening project.


LOL- I prefer to give Jocketty the benefit of the doubt and think that belt tightening lead directly to a decision to sign Taveras. I'm probably wrong, but I feel better about it that way...

Highlifeman21
01-20-2009, 11:54 AM
Shortstop hits second, dude.

And respect hits third, dude.

Highlifeman21
01-20-2009, 11:56 AM
Gomes happy to be a Red
Monday 01-19-2009 10:41pm ET
Jonny Gomes is not only excited to play for the Cincinnati Reds, but he’s excited about being a Cincinnati Red.

"I'm a big fan of the history of the game and to wear the same uniform as the Hit King, Charlie Hustle, Peter Edward Rose, that alone excites me," Gomes said Monday night after signing a minor league contract with the Reds worth $600,000, with another $200,000 in incentives, if he makes the big league team.

It doesn't just end there, of course. Like George Clooney, Gomes is attracted to the appeal of the Big Red Machine, and also the 1990 Reds featuring one of his former coaches and current Red first base coach Billy Hatcher. Gomes also said he’s excited to play for Dusty Baker, whom he grew up watching with the Giants and the A's. As a Northern California native, he also grew up watching the Oakland A's team that current Red general manager Walt Jocketty helped build.

But of all of them, Rose is the one the 28-year old most identifies with. Years ago, Gomes was in Las Vegas and had bought a picture of Rose sliding head-first into home and went to a signing to have the Hit King sign his picture. While there, Gomes said he got to talking with Rose and Charlie Hustle gave him a jersey and signed it.

"That's No. 1 in my collection," Gomes said.

Gomes said he can't promise 4,256 hits, a .300 average or any other number, but he said he can promise two things when he gets on the field: "One, respect the game and the people who play the game and two, hustle," Gomes said. "It's a shame you can't say that about everyone because it's the easiest thing you can do, hustle."

Gomes struggled in 2008, hitting just .182 with eight home runs and 21 RBIs. In August, he was optioned to Class AAA Durham to make room for pitcher Ben Zoberist and was then recalled in September when the roster was expanded.

Gomes was not on the Rays' playoff roster, but was still one of the most visible Rays during the postseason, leading celebrations and rallying behind his teammates.

"From my background and my childhood and what it took to get to the big leagues, to get a chance to put on a uniform in the post-season, I'm not turning that down for the world," Gomes said. "We had a lot of blood, sweat and tears with those other 24 guys and I was going to be there for them and be a part of that."

Gomes, a right-handed hitter who has played both outfield corner spots and designated hitter, is a career .235 hitter with 66 home runs. In 2005, he was third in American League Rookie of the Year voting, hitting .282 with 21 home runs and 54 RBIs.

Jocketty could not be reached Monday night, but had said he was looking to get a player with some pop off the bench and Gomes could qualify. Gomes hit 20 homers in 2006 and 17 in 2007.

Gomes said he talked to Baker before signing, but hasn’t talked to his manager or general manager since signing, so he doesn’t know the Reds’ plans for him.

"I'm going to come into camp 100 percent shape ready to play every day," Gomes said. "In eight years with Tampa, I was never promised a job, but I came into camp healthy, willing to play every day."

Gomes had spent his entire career with the Rays and said he doesn't know as much about the National League. He's, of course, heard how Great American Ball Park plays and is excited to play in the notoriously hitter-friendly park. Although he doesn't know many of the players on the Reds, he has looked at the roster and likes what he sees.

"I've gone through a lot of ups and downs watching with Tampa, I was there when I thought we could win 100 games, but what you want to see young upside and the least amount of distractions of possible in the clubhouse," Gomes said. "And the Reds have that."

With that, Gomes said he hopes he can provide a similar leadership to what he gave the Rays last season.

"I think one thing that's big in this game is leading by example and the other is success," Gomes said. "With success comes fun. That's what we did last year and we built off of that."

http://www.1530homer.com/pages/ctrent.html

I wonder how much Charlie Hustle charged him for that signed jersey?

Blitz Dorsey
01-20-2009, 01:24 PM
Gomes is also a good guy to have on your team if a fight breaks out.

REDREAD
01-20-2009, 02:06 PM
Every team aside from the Yankees is crying poormouth. Nonsense.

It's an excuse for a more cleverly disguised collusion. It began last year, when prices for FAs started to tumble.

The owners are being smarter this year though. They are letting the Yanks spend the big $$ on CC, etc.

The first time of collusion, the owners were stupid and Lance Parrish ended up getting less than a million. I remember back then, the cries that baseball was losing money and the owners "finally gained sanity".

The owners are squeezing the mid level FAs (non-superstars). Dunn, Burrell, Looper, etc all fall in that boat.

They pretty much decided that they'd rather drive down the market this year (and succeeding years) than to try to improve their W-L record for this year. Other than the Yankees, and arguably the Braves, that is.

Reds4Life
01-20-2009, 02:13 PM
I wonder how much Charlie Hustle charged him for that signed jersey?

Maybe nothing. Pete might have given him a tip in the 6th race at Keenland though. :cool:

Highlifeman21
01-20-2009, 06:21 PM
Maybe nothing. Pete might have given him a tip in the 6th race at Keenland though. :cool:

But wouldn't Gomes have had to pony up the tip?

Ya know, make it worth Pete's while?

Jpup
01-20-2009, 11:21 PM
I guess we'll decide on the move after we see how much he plays.

mth123
01-21-2009, 06:09 AM
Best move of the off-season.

What does it tell you when signing a guy who went .182/.282/.383 to a minor league deal is the best move?

icehole3
01-21-2009, 06:52 AM
It's an excuse for a more cleverly disguised collusion. It began last year, when prices for FAs started to tumble.

The owners are being smarter this year though. They are letting the Yanks spend the big $$ on CC, etc.

The first time of collusion, the owners were stupid and Lance Parrish ended up getting less than a million. I remember back then, the cries that baseball was losing money and the owners "finally gained sanity".

The owners are squeezing the mid level FAs (non-superstars). Dunn, Burrell, Looper, etc all fall in that boat.

They pretty much decided that they'd rather drive down the market this year (and succeeding years) than to try to improve their W-L record for this year. Other than the Yankees, and arguably the Braves, that is.

This is the USA, wonder how you would feel if Walmart and Target said you werent being fair and spending all your money in their stores. Its called the free market.

pahster
01-21-2009, 08:01 AM
This is the USA, wonder how you would feel if Walmart and Target said you werent being fair and spending all your money in their stores. Its called the free market.

Baseball does not operate in a free market.

REDREAD
01-21-2009, 09:23 AM
This is the USA, wonder how you would feel if Walmart and Target said you werent being fair and spending all your money in their stores. Its called the free market.

Not a good analagy. I don't have any kind of special anti-trust exemption from Congress or a collective bargaining agreeement with Target.

A better analogy would be if Congress gave Walmart an anti-trust exemption and it became the only grocery store in the country and began charging $20/gallon for milk.

You invoke "Free market".. Collusion by definition is not free market. It's artificially depressing player salaries. Did you feel the same when Lance Parrish and Andre Dawson got hosed? I know many fans where convinced that a "wave of common sense" came on the owners.

westofyou
01-21-2009, 10:13 AM
Baseball does not operate in a free market.

When they do it will officially be 1869 again.

Since then... not so much.

icehole3
01-21-2009, 12:16 PM
Not a good analagy. I don't have any kind of special anti-trust exemption from Congress or a collective bargaining agreeement with Target.

A better analogy would be if Congress gave Walmart an anti-trust exemption and it became the only grocery store in the country and began charging $20/gallon for milk.

You invoke "Free market".. Collusion by definition is not free market. It's artificially depressing player salaries. Did you feel the same when Lance Parrish and Andre Dawson got hosed? I know many fans where convinced that a "wave of common sense" came on the owners.

youre right, I forgot, I could really care less, these guys are making stoopid money, so are the owners, but its still their money and I would want the best for my dollar.

Will M
07-14-2009, 11:34 AM
I have a question for the experts.

Gomes was signed to a minor league deal then added to the big league roster.
at the end of this year he will have slightly less than 4 years of major league service time.

so is he a free agent after 2009 or do we still control him?

TRF
07-14-2009, 11:36 AM
I'd like to step up here and admit I was wrong about Gomes at first glance. He's done nothing but produce.

Both he and Nix could be attractive at the trade deadline. Teams that see a weakness that can be shored up via a platoon make moves for guys Like Gomes/Nix. They'll overpay a bit if they think it gets them to the playoffs.

Sell high.

Danny Serafini
07-14-2009, 12:08 PM
I have a question for the experts.

Gomes was signed to a minor league deal then added to the big league roster.
at the end of this year he will have slightly less than 4 years of major league service time.

so is he a free agent after 2009 or do we still control him?

He'll be arb-eligible.

Will M
07-14-2009, 12:13 PM
He'll be arb-eligible.

thanks.

mth123
07-14-2009, 07:56 PM
He'll be arb-eligible.

And possibly non-tendered.

Will M
07-14-2009, 08:03 PM
And possibly non-tendered.

sure.

he has looked pretty good so far. i believe he had a shoulder injury in 2007/2008. in his limited playing time he has hit lefties (which he always has) and righties.

Guys like Gomes & Dickerson are going to get the last 3 months of 2009 to audition for 2010. starter? platoon? bench bat? released due to making too much money?

it would be a joke if the Reds non tendered Gomes (assuming he continues to play well) due to the $2-3M he will make in arbitration. why? we gave Willy $4M for 2010

Will M
07-16-2009, 01:05 PM
Gomes in 2009 (age 28):
vs LHP 57 PAs with an OPS+ of 155
vs RHP 48 PAs with an OPS+ of 149

I think Gomes's fine play has been lost in the poor play of the team in the last 6 weeks. Historically Gomes has hit LHP but struggles vs RHP.
This year he is crushing both LHP & RHP.
I believe his poor 2007/2008 was due to a shoulder injury.
If the Reds are not going to call up Stubbs or Heisey then they should play Gomes every day & see what he can do.

I'd rather see a lineup with Gomes, Dickerson & a Nix/Hairston platoon (with Janish at SS) than you know who out there every day.

Ron Madden
07-17-2009, 03:29 AM
I'd rather see a lineup with Gomes, Dickerson & a Nix/Hairston platoon (with Janish at SS) than you know who out there every day.

So would I.

The way I see it the Reds are stuck with having to pay Taveras no matter what.

I'd rather pay him and DFA is butt than have to pay him and run him out there everyday to hurt the teams chances of winning. :(

Homer Bailey
07-27-2009, 09:40 PM
It's amazing after reading this thread, I think only 2 people were opposed to this move preseason, and it has by far been Walt's best move. Should he start listening to RZ more often?:D