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New Fever
01-22-2009, 01:55 PM
76. Yonder Alonso- Bad defensively, compares to Votto, maybe a platoon guy or Carlos Delgado like. (More than 5 players that were drafted after Alonso ranked higher than him on this list.)

89. Drew Stubbs- Very positive about Stubbs. May become Mike Cameron with more speed. Even if the power doesn't show up will still be productive because of 70 speed and defense.

dougdirt
01-22-2009, 02:19 PM
Sigh....

New Fever
01-22-2009, 02:42 PM
Some interesting rankings by Law.

13. Carlos Santana
14. Josh Vitters
25. Desmond Jennings
32. Jose Tabata
37. Martin Perez
38. Pedro Alvarez
41. Jordan Walden
44. Mike Moustakas
48. Jason Donald
50. Daryl Jones
51. Tyler Flowers
52. Michael Bowden
53. Michael Inoa
55. Wilmer Flores
56. Aaron Hicks
59. Christian Friedrich
61. Nick Welgarz
62. Nick Adenhart
64. Michael Main
66. David Huff
71. Angel Salome
72. Chris Nelson
75. Daniel Schlereth
86. Mat Gamel
97. Jeff Locke
98. Jay Jackson (Cubs)

The top 25 is available to everyone on the espn.com MLB section.

OnBaseMachine
01-22-2009, 03:09 PM
Josh Vitters #14. LOL. Neftali Soto is top ten then.

The Reds took Keith Law's girlfriend and kicked his dog.

lollipopcurve
01-22-2009, 03:24 PM
Lists are easy targets, but Mr. Law’s pretty confident in what he does.

Law on Law: “I really don't give a crap about where players rank in other rankings. I don't consider them when doing my own rankings, and it doesn't bother me if I'm really high on a guy no one else likes. I go see players, I evaluate them, and I rank them. That's it.”

See. Evaluate. Rank. That’s it. I smell a system. Dare I say the SEEER System?

Let’s revisit some of the SEEER’s work, from his 2 previous top 100s.

From January 07. Added a few bolds…

1. Alex Gordon, 3B, Royals
2. Delmon Young, RF, Devil Rays
“ It would still be a huge upset if he doesn't become a big star, hitting for average and power with good defense.”
3. Chris Young, CF, Diamondbacks
“ a star-caliber bat”
4. Philip Hughes, RHP, Yankees
5. Homer Bailey, RHP, Reds
6. Fernando Martinez, CF, Mets
7. Adam Miller, RHP, Cleveland
8. Brandon Wood, SS, Angels
9. Andrew McCutchen, CF, Pirates
10. Jose Tabata, CF/RF, Yankees
11. Yovani Gallardo, RHP, Brewers
12. Billy Butler, LF, Royals
13. Evan Longoria, 3B, Devil Rays
“Lower ceiling than a lot of guys on this list”
14. Ryan Braun, 3B, Brewers
15. Cameron Maybin, CF, Tigers
16. Tim Lincecum, RHP, Giants
17. Josh Fields, 3B, White Sox
18. Adam Jones, CF, Mariners
19. Adam Lind, LF, Blue Jays
20. Carlos Gonzalez, RF, Diamondbacks
21. Reid Brignac, SS, Devil Rays
22. Matt Garza, RHP, Twins
23. Troy Tulowitzki, SS, Rockies
24. John Danks, LHP, White Sox
25. Andy LaRoche, 3B, Dodgers
“Should be an above-average third baseman in the bigs.”

Honorable mentions
• Nick Adenhart, RHP, Angels
• Jay Bruce, RF, Reds
“I'm probably the low man on Bruce”
• Clay Buchholz, RHP, Red Sox
• Elijah Dukes, OF, Devil Rays
• Brandon Erbe, RHP, Orioles
• Phil Humber, RHP, and Mike Pelfrey, RHP, Mets
• Eric Hurley, RHP, Rangers
• Chuck Lofgren, LHP, Indians
• Felix Pie, CF, Cubs
• Colby Rasmus, CF, Cardinals
• Justin Upton, CF, Diamondbacks
“ while it may not be fair, brother B.J. is now four years out and still hasn't established himself in the majors.”


From January 08, here’s dougdirt’s take on Law’s top 100:

Franklin Morales at 8??
Fernando Martinez at 10??
Desmond Jennings at 11??
Andrew McCutchen at 12??
Carlos Triunfel at 18??
Jose Tabata at 21??
Nick Adenhart at 23??
Jordan Schafer at 27??
Mike Moustakas at 47??
German Duran at 48??!?!?!?!
Joey Votto at 56??
Mitch Boggs at 73?!?!?!?!
Andrew Brackman at 100??

What can we say about the SEEER, Keith Law? Does the SEEER unveil the future, or does he expose himself?

That’s it!

OnBaseMachine
01-22-2009, 03:29 PM
Thank you for posting that lollipop. That list tells us all we need to know about Keith Law.

REDblooded
01-22-2009, 03:31 PM
I absolutely can't stand Law... Half of the warning points I've received on this website have come from badmouthing Law.....

Bumstead
01-22-2009, 03:53 PM
Not to be toooooo picky but...Chris Nelson? #72 Yonder Alonso #76? and Frazier and Soto are not even on the list? Chris Nelson's on the list and these guys aren't?? Really Chris Nelson should not be on the list. Frazier probably should be and Soto maybe; even if they aren't on the list they shouldn't be behind Chris Nelson....and Mat Gamel can hit, he will play somewhere long before Chris Nelson is productive...anyway, I have now wasted some time looking at this list...my bad... :p:

*BaseClogger*
01-22-2009, 04:40 PM
76. Yonder Alonso- Bad defensively, compares to Votto, maybe a platoon guy or Carlos Delgado like.

I'll take Carlos Delgado or another Joey Votto. Of course, both of those players are still good hitters against lefties so I'm not sure how they can be grouped with "maybe a platoon guy." I think "maybe a platoon guy" should be this year's "throw him in the bullpen or whatever"...

OnBaseMachine
01-22-2009, 04:46 PM
From what I've read, Alonso projects as an average to slightly above average defender at first base.

M2
01-22-2009, 05:14 PM
Mike Cameron with MORE SPEED?

I'd guess that over the past decade Cameron's easily been one of the 10 fastest players in the game. The man has elite speed. Stubbs would need 70 speed just to stay close to Cameron.

Don't take any of this as a knock against Stubbs, but has Law seen Mike Cameron play?

TRF
01-22-2009, 05:27 PM
Mike Cameron with MORE SPEED?

I'd guess that over the past decade Cameron's easily been one of the 10 fastest players in the game. The man has elite speed. Stubbs would need 70 speed just to stay close to Cameron.

Don't take any of this as a knock against Stubbs, but has Law seen Mike Cameron play?

I'm beginning to doubt he's seen anyone play.

bubbachunk
01-22-2009, 05:28 PM
I take none of his opinions for anything.

edabbs44
01-22-2009, 05:39 PM
One man's opinion....

dougdirt
01-23-2009, 12:38 AM
Mike Cameron with MORE SPEED?

I'd guess that over the past decade Cameron's easily been one of the 10 fastest players in the game. The man has elite speed. Stubbs would need 70 speed just to stay close to Cameron.


Stubbs has that kind of speed.

LoganBuck
01-24-2009, 03:53 PM
Stubbs has that kind of speed.

I second doug, if there is one thing about Stubbs game that can not be argued, it is his speed. That dude can fly. Wily Taveras may be a half step faster, but we are talking freaking fast. I saw him run down a line drive in Dayton, that I just assumed was going to go for a double. There can't be more than a handful of players that could have made that play. The man has serious speed.

NorrisHopper30
01-24-2009, 07:25 PM
If Stubbs can develop i'm really excited about the future of our outfield, especially with speed/defense with Bruce, Dickerson, Taveras and Stubbs. Speed is one of my favorite characteristics in a player..I can't wait!

11larkin11
01-25-2009, 10:28 PM
Michael Inoa, a 16? year old pitcher who has yet to throw a professional pitch, is ranked at 53 where the top hitters Duran and Yorman aren't anywhere to be found?

dougdirt
01-25-2009, 11:08 PM
Michael Inoa, a 16? year old pitcher who has yet to throw a professional pitch, is ranked at 53 where the top hitters Duran and Yorman aren't anywhere to be found?

He did get as much money as they both did combined. The Reds offered him 5 million. He turned us down and signed for less.

Highlifeman21
01-25-2009, 11:12 PM
He did get as much money as they both did combined. The Reds offered him 5 million. He turned us down and signed for less.

What does that say about the Reds?

NorrisHopper30
01-25-2009, 11:18 PM
What does that say about the Reds?

That they aren't as good at developing pitchers as Oakland is, most organizations are in the same boat as Cincinnati on this issue.

OnBaseMachine
01-25-2009, 11:42 PM
What does that say about the Reds?

Nothing. The A's have a pitcher friendly ballpark and a nice track record of developing pitchers.

penantboundreds
01-26-2009, 01:30 AM
Who are some prospects that might jump on the scene this year will big time numbers? Any Longoria's, Uptons, Soto's....etc.

dougdirt
01-26-2009, 03:50 AM
Who are some prospects that might jump on the scene this year will big time numbers? Any Longoria's, Uptons, Soto's....etc.

Matt Wieters is the biggest guy to keep an eye on. I don't think he is in the big's to start with, but he is the #1 prospect in baseball right now and just put up stupid numbers last season as a catcher


Year Age Team PA AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB SO AVG OBP SLG OPS
2008 22 A+ Fred. 280 229 48 79 8 0 15 40 44 47 .345 .446 .576 1022
2008 22 AA Bowie 250 208 41 76 14 2 12 51 38 29 .365 .460 .625 1085
Extended Statistics
Year Age Team PA AB ISOP BB% K% BABIP GB% LD% RC RC/27 wOBA
2008 22 A+ Fred. 280 229 .231 15.7% 16.8% .383 51% 16% .426
2008 22 AA Bowie 250 208 .260 15.2% 11.6% .383 44% 18% .452

I expect him to be in Baltimore by June though and don't expect him to look back.

Travis Snider is a guy who could get off to a hot start in Toronto, but he just doesn't make enough contact right now to put up Longoria or Soto type numbers just yet. He has some good power in his bat though, so if he has a hot April with lots of power it shouldn't surprise anyone. Just keep an eye on his K%.

On the mound David Price is obviously at the top of the list. Watch for the combo of Trevor Cahill and Brett Anderson of the A's in the second half of the season. Both should start in AA, but have been quite advanced so far and have been groundball machines with great K rates. Chris Tillman, if healthy, could break into Baltimores rotation sometime before midseason as well, but I wouldn't expect him to burst onto the scene due to the division.

OnBaseMachine
01-26-2009, 03:55 AM
Watch out for Jason Heyward in the lower minors. He's got a chance to explode and put up some big numbers.