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Razor Shines
01-24-2009, 02:59 PM
Haven't seen a general NCAA thread yet. I just watched the Duke - Maryland game. I think it is funny that yesterday Vasquez said that Cameron Indoor is his house (http://www.baltimoreexaminer.com/sports/012309bal-terps.html) and today he went 2-10 as Maryland got beat by 41.

WMR
01-24-2009, 03:01 PM
Yeah that's high comedy. :D

What a boneheaded intentional foul he committed!

Razor Shines
01-24-2009, 03:03 PM
I'm also looking forward to ND - UConn. Especially after Thabeet said that Harangody's "not that tough" (http://ncaabasketball.fanhouse.com/2008/11/10/uconns-hasheem-thabeet-smacks-on-hansbrough-and-harangody/).

WMR
01-24-2009, 03:04 PM
I'm also looking forward to ND - UConn. Especially after Thabeet said that Harangody's "not that tough" (http://ncaabasketball.fanhouse.com/2008/11/10/uconns-hasheem-thabeet-smacks-on-hansbrough-and-harangody/).

Who are you picking? I think UCONN ends ND's 45 game home winning streak.

Razor Shines
01-24-2009, 03:06 PM
Who are you picking? I think UCONN ends ND's 45 game home winning streak.
You know, my head tells me that you are right, but for some reason I think that ND's going to come out really fired up. So I'll officially say that I think ND will win.

WMR
01-24-2009, 03:07 PM
You know, my head tells me that you are right, but for some reason I think that ND's going to come out really fired up. So I'll officially say that I think ND will win.

How do you feel about your Hoosiers and the way they're progressing as a team under Crean?

Razor Shines
01-24-2009, 03:11 PM
How do you feel about your Hoosiers and the way they're progressing as a team under Crean?

Since I've moved down here I think I've only watched two games. But overall from what I've read and little that I've seen I'm perfectly happy to put up with a couple seasons of losing to undue all the bad that's been done under Davis and Sampson. And I complete faith in Crean that he will rebuild that program, and like I said I'm willing to give him the time to do it.

WMR
01-24-2009, 03:15 PM
Since I've moved down here I think I've only watched two games. But overall from what I've read and little that I've seen I'm perfectly happy to put up with a couple seasons of losing to undue all the bad that's been done under Davis and Sampson. And I complete faith in Crean that he will rebuild that program, and like I said I'm willing to give him the time to do it.

When did you move to Texas? How are you liking it?

Razor Shines
01-24-2009, 03:17 PM
When did you move to Texas? How are you liking it?

We moved in November. I love it, although it is cold today; it's only going to get up to 50.

WMR
01-24-2009, 03:18 PM
We moved in November. I love it, although it is cold today; it's only going to get up to 50.

Austin is supposed to have a great nightlife and be a really fun town.

Razor Shines
01-24-2009, 03:47 PM
Austin is supposed to have a great nightlife and be a really fun town.

It is a fun town. I have a four month old son so my nightlife involves dirty diapers and toys that make too much noise.

Falls City Beer
01-26-2009, 12:04 PM
Dude. Louisville Cardinals.

WMR
01-26-2009, 05:05 PM
Gottfried fired!

Javy Pornstache
01-26-2009, 05:14 PM
^ Word is Alabama is interested in YOUR BOY the Tub, WMR :)

WMR
01-26-2009, 05:15 PM
I hear that too. I also hear that Mike Davis with DaMarcus Cousins in tow to whichever job he gets is another possibility.

Tubby back to Georgia?

Javy Pornstache
01-26-2009, 05:24 PM
could be, but I really don't see him leaving Minnesota, possibly if Arizona goes after him, but I've heard Arizona is more interested in the "other" ex-UK coach somewhere else. Not that I expect him to go to the desert.

dabvu2498
01-26-2009, 05:42 PM
Mark Gottfried resigned at Bama today.

BRM
01-26-2009, 05:56 PM
Dude. Louisville Cardinals.

Dude. I hear you. They are rolling right now. Fun team to watch too.

Boston Red
01-26-2009, 11:11 PM
Do you think the coaches will finally eject ND from the top 25? Four losses in a row enough?

WMR
01-26-2009, 11:18 PM
Do you think the coaches will finally eject ND from the top 25? Four losses in a row enough?

LOL maybe. might need a few more though.

IslandRed
01-26-2009, 11:22 PM
could be, but I really don't see him leaving Minnesota

Me neither, at least not for a SEC job. I figure he's probably enjoying the change of pace and he's got Minnesota moving in the right direction.

Emin3mShady07
01-27-2009, 03:03 PM
Since I've moved down here I think I've only watched two games. But overall from what I've read and little that I've seen I'm perfectly happy to put up with a couple seasons of losing to undue all the bad that's been done under Davis and Sampson. And I complete faith in Crean that he will rebuild that program, and like I said I'm willing to give him the time to do it.

Boiler Up!...my parents and aunt are Purdue grads, rivalry isn't what it used to be but it could be in a year or two.

BRM
01-27-2009, 03:16 PM
Boiler Up!...my parents and aunt are Purdue grads, rivalry isn't what it used to be but it could be in a year or two.

No doubt. I look forward to the battles with Purdue in a couple of years. Should be good ones.

Razor Shines
01-27-2009, 04:27 PM
Boiler Up!...my parents and aunt are Purdue grads, rivalry isn't what it used to be but it could be in a year or two.

Yeah, I think Painter is a great coach and recruiter, and I think they'll continue to be a top 20 team or better for years to come. And I think in a couple years Crean will have IU back to being a national force.

Keeping with the Indiana theme; I am super impressed with Brad Stevens. I knew that he had a decent class coming in and I knew that Matt Howard was going to be better, but I did expect them to be as good as they are this year. Unfortunately I've only been able to see a couple of their games this year.

WVRed
01-28-2009, 11:05 PM
I don't see the Tubster back in the SEC. I could be wrong, but I don't see him wanting to bring a circus to Rupp every year or every other year, depending on which part of the SEC it is.

That being said, if he does leave Minnesota, which I doubt he will, Maryland would be a likely landing place.

WVRed
01-28-2009, 11:06 PM
Oh, and congrats to 15's team tonight. Wake beat Duke at the buzzer, meaning that barring an upset, UConn will be the new no 1.

15fan
01-29-2009, 12:12 AM
Deacs kept it interesting down the stretch, like they always do.

Al-Farouq Aminu loosely translates into I'm (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lSzlNAeKxjI) dunkin (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kw-r1llzh0M) on (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=44JchoXBFUE&NR=1) you (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rc2MvwqMYHw&feature=related).

BearcatShane
01-29-2009, 12:29 AM
Since I've moved down here I think I've only watched two games. But overall from what I've read and little that I've seen I'm perfectly happy to put up with a couple seasons of losing to undue all the bad that's been done under Davis and Sampson. And I complete faith in Crean that he will rebuild that program, and like I said I'm willing to give him the time to do it.



Good for you, hopefully your fans are more patient with Crean than UC fans have been with Cronin. 10 days ago they were callin for his head.

Razor Shines
01-29-2009, 01:35 AM
Deacs kept it interesting down the stretch, like they always do.



That was a pretty good game. I was kinda pissed about that travel call on Henderson, but they didn't deserve to win after giving up a nearly uncontested layup on that in bounds play.

Your boys played some really stupid basketball down the stretch to let Duke back into the game. I really like Teague, I saw him play at Pike a few times. I knew he'd be good, but I didn't think he'd be as good as he is. On a side note I am just hearing things or does he get called "Jeff Teagues" some times by the announcers?

cumberlandreds
01-29-2009, 09:09 AM
I don't see the Tubster back in the SEC. I could be wrong, but I don't see him wanting to bring a circus to Rupp every year or every other year, depending on which part of the SEC it is.

That being said, if he does leave Minnesota, which I doubt he will, Maryland would be a likely landing place.

I agree with you. I don't think Tubby wants to be a part of the circus it would be if had to play UK. I really believe Minnesota is his last coaching stop.
Things are heating up in Maryland. Williams got into a little peeing match with the associate AD about two recriiuts that Williams said weren't allowed to play at Maryland by the AD. I think his time is very short at Maryland.


http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/basketball/blog/the_dagger/post/Gary-Williams-in-vicious-deathmatch-with-Marylan;_ylt=AigudO.C8TOYP7CA.ZM9rVDevbYF?urn=ncaa b,137388

cumberlandreds
01-29-2009, 10:49 AM
Another one bites the dust. Georgia's Felton to be fired today.

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/news/story?id=3868747

BRM
01-29-2009, 11:07 AM
Another one bites the dust. Georgia's Felton to be fired today.

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/news/story?id=3868747

Not all that surprising. Like the article states, he was expected to get fired last season.

joshnky
01-29-2009, 01:11 PM
Marquette and Louisville are currently battling it out for the top spot in the Big East with UConn close behind. Marquette has taken advantage of a favorable schedule but check out how they finish the season:


Feb 21 @Georgetown
Feb 25 Connecticut
Mar 1 @Louisville
Mar 4 @Pittsburgh
Mar 7 Syracuse

Three top ten teams and two others who have been in the top ten at some point this season and could get there act together and be playing well for this stretch. That is murderous.

15fan
01-30-2009, 12:29 AM
That was a pretty good game. I was kinda pissed about that travel call on Henderson, but they didn't deserve to win after giving up a nearly uncontested layup on that in bounds play.

Your boys played some really stupid basketball down the stretch to let Duke back into the game. I really like Teague, I saw him play at Pike a few times. I knew he'd be good, but I didn't think he'd be as good as he is. On a side note I am just hearing things or does he get called "Jeff Teagues" some times by the announcers?

Focus (or lack thereof) in the 2nd half has been a consistent pattern lately. See big leads vanishing at BC, at Clemson, vs. Duke, as well as the less than stellar play inside the final 2:30 vs. VT. Of course, the counter-argument is that maybe those teams played some good ball to get back into it as well. Truth lies somewhere in the middle, I guess. It looks like Duke is going to be a 2 man show of Singler & Henderson. If they can get a 3rd guy to step up and produce (Scheyer) consistently, or get anything out of Smith, Zoubek, Paulus, etc, they'll more than hold their own.

Coming into the season, the general vibe was that Teague would have a good year. But I don't think anyone thought he'd be putting on the kind of show that he's been putting on this year. I've heard a couple of guys butcher his name, but Aminu is consistently butchered beyond belief. Uh-MEEN-ew. It's not like his brother hasn't been playing at GT for two years.

Speaking of which, I'll be at the Wake-GT game on Saturday to watch Aminu & Aminu go mano a mano. ;)

WMR
01-31-2009, 02:13 PM
Why do I get so much enjoyment from watching Notre Dame get their butts kicked? :p:

WVRed
01-31-2009, 05:51 PM
Why do I get so much enjoyment from watching Notre Dame get their butts kicked? :p:

I do moreso in football than basketball. I think Charlie Weis has a lot more to do with that.

WVRed
02-02-2009, 10:00 AM
New name to hit the market for the Georgia job. I have a hard time seeing him get it though just based on age.

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/news/story?id=3878055


Georgia may be on Bob Knight's mind.

A source close to the legendary coach told the Atlanta Journal-Constitution on Sunday that if Knight were offered the Bulldogs job, he would take it.

"He doesn't want it to look as if he's pursuing the job. He'd like to be offered it, and if offered, he'd take it," the source said.

"He doesn't want it to look as if he's looking for work, but I can assure you that he'd like to have the job. It's the idea of coaching a team in the Southeastern Conference that appeals to him. There are just so many things he could do for Georgia basketball. This would be his last stop, and he likes that."

Georgia fired Dennis Felton last Thursday after the Bulldogs got off to a 9-11 start and were 0-5 in the SEC. Associate coach Pete Herrmann was named interim coach for the remainder of the season.

Knight, 68, left Texas Tech in the middle of the 2008 season. The winningest coach in college history with 902 victories coached the Raiders from 2001-08 after a 29-year run at Indiana that ended in controversy. After leaving Texas Tech, Knight has worked as an analyst for ESPN.

"I have never said that I wouldn't coach again," Knight said in a statement. "I've simply said in the past, if the right situation came along, I would be interested."

Hoosier Red
02-02-2009, 10:20 AM
I don't think that's a good fit for Knight or for Georgia.
To be honest, I don't see any situation being better than Texas Tech, a fawning media in a small city, no expectations.
If he got burned out on that, how quickly would he get burned out if he had to deal with all the pressure of an SEC big boy?

cumberlandreds
02-02-2009, 10:30 AM
I don't think that's a good fit for Knight or for Georgia.
To be honest, I don't see any situation being better than Texas Tech, a fawning media in a small city, no expectations.
If he got burned out on that, how quickly would he get burned out if he had to deal with all the pressure of an SEC big boy?

UGA basketball is the absolute pits right now. Hiring Knight would give them a temporary shot in the arm. I don't think Knight would be there for very long considering his age but for UGA I don't think it would be so bad. Knight could lay a good foundation down for the next coach as long as he can keep himself under control. That could be a big "if" though.

cumberlandreds
02-02-2009, 10:32 AM
A really big game tonight. UL vs UConn in Louieville. What are the Cards fans thoughts about this one? I'm looking forward to watching this one. Both teams are playing very well and UConn should be ranked number one by tonight.

WMR
02-02-2009, 10:37 AM
I would love to see Knight in the SEC.

joshnky
02-02-2009, 10:56 AM
A really big game tonight. UL vs UConn in Louieville. What are the Cards fans thoughts about this one? I'm looking forward to watching this one. Both teams are playing very well and UConn should be ranked number one by tonight.

I don't know what to think. UofL is playing well enough to beat anyone in the country right now and the game's at home. On the other hand, UConn is the best team they will have faced and probably the only team on the schedule with the depth in the backcourt and talent in the front court to match what Louisville has. This is a very winnable game but the Cards have to lose again sometime and this could be that game. With UConn, Pitt, and Syracuse out of the way the schedule starts to get a little easier and Louisville could realistically win out if they can survive some tough road games against the second tier of the Big East.

BRM
02-02-2009, 03:43 PM
A really big game tonight. UL vs UConn in Louieville. What are the Cards fans thoughts about this one? I'm looking forward to watching this one. Both teams are playing very well and UConn should be ranked number one by tonight.

I'm really looking forward to this one tonight. I have the DVR set since I won't get home until a half hour or so after tipoff. I feel pretty good about U of L's chances in this one. They are playing really well right now and this one's at Freedom Hall.

Cyclone792
02-02-2009, 08:54 PM
Connecticut just dominated the last five minutes of the first half. If I had to fill out my brackets right now, I'd be tempted to have the Huskies going all the way.

Now that I said that, watch them blow the game in the second half. ;)

joshnky
02-02-2009, 10:20 PM
Connecticut just dominated the last five minutes of the first half. If I had to fill out my brackets right now, I'd be tempted to have the Huskies going all the way.

Now that I said that, watch them blow the game in the second half. ;)

Wow. They played some tough defense. Jeff Adrien just manhandled Earl Clark and the Cards spent the game afraid of Thabeet in the middle. Hopefully, Louisville will gain some humility from this and Clark will recognize that he is not yet an NBA lottery pick. The one positive was that Terrence Williams was outstanding.

cumberlandreds
02-03-2009, 08:22 AM
Connecticut just dominated the last five minutes of the first half. If I had to fill out my brackets right now, I'd be tempted to have the Huskies going all the way.

Now that I said that, watch them blow the game in the second half. ;)

I agree with you about UConn. If I were filling out brackets today I would most likely pick them to win it all. They looked terrific against UL. A thoroughly dominating performance.

BRM
02-03-2009, 10:11 AM
Wow. They played some tough defense. Jeff Adrien just manhandled Earl Clark and the Cards spent the game afraid of Thabeet in the middle. Hopefully, Louisville will gain some humility from this and Clark will recognize that he is not yet an NBA lottery pick. The one positive was that Terrence Williams was outstanding.

Williams was very, very good last night. Too bad he was practically alone. UCONN definitely looked like the #1 team, that's for sure.

Danny Serafini
02-03-2009, 05:16 PM
Anyone else got CIT fever yet? Couldn't believe it when I saw this, but after the rousing success of last year's CBI (College Basketball Invitational, for teams that didn't make the NIT) we now have a 4th postseason tournament. It's the CollegeInsider.com Tournament, the CIT. Looks like it's going to be more of a smaller conference thing, conferences with less than half of their teams in the NCAA or NIT get priority. There are now 129 teams going to the postseason. It's almost becoming like the 8 million bowl games now.

http://www.collegeinsider.com/tournament/

Captain Hook
02-05-2009, 02:06 AM
Anyone else got CIT fever yet? Couldn't believe it when I saw this, but after the rousing success of last year's CBI (College Basketball Invitational, for teams that didn't make the NIT) we now have a 4th postseason tournament. It's the CollegeInsider.com Tournament, the CIT. Looks like it's going to be more of a smaller conference thing, conferences with less than half of their teams in the NCAA or NIT get priority. There are now 129 teams going to the postseason. It's almost becoming like the 8 million bowl games now.

http://www.collegeinsider.com/tournament/

If someone is willing to finance these tournaments then I say great.I played high school b ball and there was nothing much more exciting then playing in a tournament.The state tourney was great but smaller holiday tournaments were just as fun.For some reason IMO basketball is much better then other sports in a single game elimination format.

I also think that having more of these tournaments is a much better idea then expanding the field of 64.I'm a huge OSU fan and was very disappointed that they were left out of the big dance last season.The reality is that if they had of made it they would have been likely beaten in the 1st or 2nd round.As it was they ended up going on a great run in the NIT and beat Fla. to win the tourney championship.IMO much more fun then a 1st or 2nd round NCAA lost.

WVRed
02-05-2009, 11:16 AM
In other news, Duke got blown out by Clemson yesterday to the tune of 74-47.

:rockband::dancingco:bowrofl::KoolAid::owned: :jump: :bowrofl:

elfmanvt07
02-05-2009, 11:19 AM
In other news, Duke got blown out by Clemson yesterday to the tune of 74-47.

Makes me feel better about my Hokies' 4 point loss, depressing at is it was. We were rocking the Cassell that night.

jimbo
02-05-2009, 02:34 PM
In other news, Duke got blown out by Clemson yesterday to the tune of 74-47.


Hopefully, Purnell can get over that hump of winning some NCAA tourney games this year. The guy definitely knows how to turn a program around though.

Cyclone792
02-10-2009, 07:56 PM
Some big games this week, including one about to tip tonight with Marquette @ Villanova.

There's some ACC matchup tomorrow night too ...

Razor Shines
02-10-2009, 07:57 PM
Some big games this week, including one about to tip tonight with Marquette @ Villanova.

There's some ACC matchup tomorrow night too ...

What? Why haven't there been any promos?

Cyclone792
02-12-2009, 08:05 PM
Louisville @ Notre Dame on ESPN right now. I think there's been college hoops on TV every single night this week - this is phenomenal!

WVRed
02-12-2009, 11:03 PM
Louisville @ Notre Dame on ESPN right now. I think there's been college hoops on TV every single night this week - this is phenomenal!

And Notre Dame ends the skid. I'm sure that will be enough to get them ranked again.:rolleyes:

AccordinglyReds
02-14-2009, 05:25 PM
....w00t!

Arizona beat UCLA today! :)

Great win against USC on Thursday, and now to beat UCLA. Awesome! They've really been turning around their season. I'm very pleased with the coaching of Pennell and the more playing time of Fogg and Johnson. Back in tourney talk. :)

Javy Pornstache
02-14-2009, 06:01 PM
^ You're in Prospect, KY, and a fan of ANOTHER Wildcats squad?! Blasphemy! ;) Former UK AD CM Newton apparently is helping Arizona's with their search for a permanent coach. I'm sure he'll do his best to lure Slick Rick for y'all. :)

AccordinglyReds
02-14-2009, 06:53 PM
^ You're in Prospect, KY, and a fan of ANOTHER Wildcats squad?! Blasphemy! ;) Former UK AD CM Newton apparently is helping Arizona's with their search for a permanent coach. I'm sure he'll do his best to lure Slick Rick for y'all. :)

I've been an Arizona fan since 1996 (year before they beat UK) :)

I'm actually a UofL fan, that goes to school at UK, too. :thumbup:

:)

Oh, and I highly doubt those rumors about Pitino. I'd like UofA to get someone younger. Pitino's good here. ;)

joshnky
02-17-2009, 01:27 PM
I found this interesting from Rick Bozich in the Louisville Courier Journal.


Do You Believe In Oklahoma?
That's the question you have to ask yourself this morning.

Now that UConn has been beaten by Pitt, the feeling is that the Sooners will be the next Number One team in the country.

First North Carolina. Then Pitt. Then Wake Forest. Then Duke. Then UConn.

Now Oklahoma.

I guess. North Carolina would be my pick. Best thing that happened to the Heels all season was losing those two games in January and dropping out of the spotlight.

I know Blake Griffin is a wonderful player.

But I've got five problems with the Sooners.

1. They lost at Arkansas. As in 1-9 Arkansas, with home losses to Mississippi State, Auburn, Tennessee and Kentucky in the SEC.

2. They're a one-man band. Griffin is a great band, but I never like those kinds of teams to win it all.

3. Their coach, Jeff Capel, is relatively inexperienced and carries the baggage of being a Coach K disciple. I love Coach K. But if you check the records, his guys haven't done much in the NCAA Tournament.

4. Memories of 2008. Last time I saw the Sooners in person they got squashed by Louisville 78-48 in the NCAA Tournament in Birmingham. Good thing I check the records. I keep thinking it was 98-18.

5. I'm not dazzled by the Big 12 this season. Kansas is down. Texas is down. Oklahoma State is down. Kansas State is missing Michael Beasley.

So go ahead and embrace the Sooners. Give me North Carolina or somebody from the Big East.

I largely agree with the skepticism directed toward Oklahoma. Personally, I think Pitt with Blair and the surrounding cast would handle OU pretty easily.

BRM
02-18-2009, 10:33 AM
Anyone seen the conference RPIs at RealTimeRPI.com? I was a bit surprised to see the Big Ten at #2.

1 Atlantic Coast
2 Big Ten
3 Big East
4 Big 12
5 Pacific-10
6 Southeastern
7 Mountain West
8 Atlantic 10
9 Conference USA
10 Missouri Valley

cumberlandreds
02-18-2009, 10:40 AM
Anyone seen the conference RPIs at RealTimeRPI.com? I was a bit surprised to see the Big Ten at #2.

1 Atlantic Coast
2 Big Ten
3 Big East
4 Big 12
5 Pacific-10
6 Southeastern
7 Mountain West
8 Atlantic 10
9 Conference USA
10 Missouri Valley

I would think Depaul and South Florida are really dragging the BE RPI down. Those are two bad teams.

BRM
02-18-2009, 10:51 AM
I would think Depaul and South Florida are really dragging the BE RPI down. Those are two bad teams.

And Rutgers and St Johns.

138 St Johns
154 South Florida
170 Rutgers
195 DePaul

The Big East has 7 in the top 25 and 9 in the top 50. Problem is, the bottom 4 are really, really bad.

cumberlandreds
02-18-2009, 12:00 PM
And Rutgers and St Johns.

138 St Johns
154 South Florida
170 Rutgers
195 DePaul

The Big East has 7 in the top 25 and 9 in the top 50. Problem is, the bottom 4 are really, really bad.

I knew I was leaving someone out. Thanks. That bottom four is really bad. I wonder if the Big East would like to re-think letting everyone particpate in their conference tourney this year?

Danny Serafini
02-18-2009, 12:24 PM
That Big East tournament is going to be brutal. Right now you've got West Virginia, a likely NCAA tournament team, having to win 5 games in 5 days. That's crazy.

joshnky
02-18-2009, 01:10 PM
That Big East tournament is going to be brutal. Right now you've got West Virginia, a likely NCAA tournament team, having to win 5 games in 5 days. That's crazy.

But the road is paved for the top four which get double byes. Resting until the third round before playing a team that has played at least one, if not two days in a row is a huge advantage.

SunDeck
02-18-2009, 01:41 PM
And Rutgers and St Johns.

138 St Johns
154 South Florida
170 Rutgers
195 DePaul

The Big East has 7 in the top 25 and 9 in the top 50. Problem is, the bottom 4 are really, really bad.

Interesting. If you were to compare the top 11 teams in the Big East to the Big Ten, then the Big East is definitely looking a lot better. I guess you have to count that fact that you've got those four teams playing very poorly, but at the same time, the Big Ten shouldn't be bragging about their status right now. They are pretty mediocre this year.

BRM
02-18-2009, 01:46 PM
The Big Ten still has 6 teams in the top 50. That's not too bad. They don't have much power at the very top but they have 6-7 teams that are decent to solid. Indiana is the only real drag on their ranking, although Iowa doesn't help much.

6 Michigan St.
13 Illinois
28 Purdue
30 Ohio St.
31 Wisconsin
36 Minnesota
53 Michigan
71 Penn St.
83 Northwestern
107 Iowa
184 Indiana

Danny Serafini
02-18-2009, 02:18 PM
But the road is paved for the top four which get double byes. Resting until the third round before playing a team that has played at least one, if not two days in a row is a huge advantage.

Definitely a help. Some of the smaller conferences stagger their tournament like this as well to help the high seeds, that way you've got a better chance of your best team winning it and representing the conference in the NCAA tournament. Gonzaga, for example, will only have to play two games in its conference tournament, while the bottom half would have to play four.

Hoosier Red
02-18-2009, 06:10 PM
Interesting. If you were to compare the top 11 teams in the Big East to the Big Ten, then the Big East is definitely looking a lot better. I guess you have to count that fact that you've got those four teams playing very poorly, but at the same time, the Big Ten shouldn't be bragging about their status right now. They are pretty mediocre this year.

Dude, the Big East have a team ranked below Indiana. I didn't even think that was possible.
"How'd you do that? Heck, I'm not even mad; that's amazing. How 'bout we get you in your p.j.'s and we hit the hay. "

SunDeck
02-18-2009, 10:22 PM
Dude, the Big East have a team ranked below Indiana. I didn't even think that was possible.


Yep, our Hoosiers are making progress aren't they? And the Hoosier faithful are in love with the program again. That honeymoon will not last more than a year or so, but it's really interesting to listen to people talk about this team.

Cyclone792
02-18-2009, 10:48 PM
Dude, the Big East have a team ranked below Indiana. I didn't even think that was possible.

It's non-conference SOS. Even with losses, when teams are that bad the teams with the tougher SOS have a bit of an edge. Indiana played a pretty good non-conference schedule so that will keep their RPI above 200 even though they're losing all the time.

Those bottom four Big East teams have exactly seven conference wins combined. Five of those seven wins are against each other; they only have two conference wins against the top 12 Big East teams (South Florida vs. Marquette and St. John's vs. Notre Dame). So while those four teams are dragging the conference RPI down, the top 12 squads in the conference are doing their job by at least beating the four bottom feeders.

Danny Serafini
02-19-2009, 11:40 AM
We've got our first regular season champions. Morgan St. locked up the MEAC crown with a win last night, and Niagara's loss clinched the MAAC title for Siena. Gonzaga will clinch the WCC title tonight with either a win or a loss by Portland.

dabvu2498
02-19-2009, 12:35 PM
In other news, Illinois and Penn St. set basketball back 60 years. It is getting late in the season and my tolerance for bad midweek basketball is running thin. Come on conference tourneys!

BRM
02-19-2009, 12:47 PM
In other news, Illinois and Penn St. set basketball back 60 years. It is getting late in the season and my tolerance for bad midweek basketball is running thin. Come on conference tourneys!

That game was brutal. I flipped over to it at halftime of the U of L/Providence game. Needless to say, I didn't stay on the BTN for very long.

cumberlandreds
02-19-2009, 02:21 PM
That game was brutal. I flipped over to it at halftime of the U of L/Providence game. Needless to say, I didn't stay on the BTN for very long.

Very brutal looking. I was flipping through the games and I saw the score in the 20's late in the 2nd half! I quickly just flipped on by it. The final score would have been an exciting football score though.:)

BRM
02-19-2009, 02:40 PM
The Big Ten is poised to send 6-7 teams to the Dance this year. Are any of them really Final Four contenders? I might have said Michigan State a week or so ago but I'm not all that sure now. Purdue has enough talent to get hot and make a bit of a run but I wouldn't call them a "contender" at this point. Thoughts?

cumberlandreds
02-19-2009, 03:26 PM
The Big Ten is poised to send 6-7 teams to the Dance this year. Are any of them really Final Four contenders? I might have said Michigan State a week or so ago but I'm not all that sure now. Purdue has enough talent to get hot and make a bit of a run but I wouldn't call them a "contender" at this point. Thoughts?

I don't see any Big Ten teams to the Final Four. Michigan State has the best shot mainly because Izzo has a good track record in the tourney. But I don't see them or anyone else getting past the sweet 16.

Cyclone792
02-19-2009, 05:37 PM
The Big Ten is poised to send 6-7 teams to the Dance this year. Are any of them really Final Four contenders? I might have said Michigan State a week or so ago but I'm not all that sure now. Purdue has enough talent to get hot and make a bit of a run but I wouldn't call them a "contender" at this point. Thoughts?

Doubtful, there are probably a dozen teams in the country that I'd take over every Big Ten team. They have a nice crop of "good" teams, but they don't have a standout team in the league right now.

BRM
02-19-2009, 05:40 PM
I agree with both of you. They have a few teams that might make the Sweet Sixteen but that's about it.

dabvu2498
02-19-2009, 05:44 PM
I agree with both of you. They have a few teams that might make the Sweet Sixteen but that's about it. Only if the other teams agree to keep it under 50.

Danny Serafini
02-19-2009, 05:44 PM
Michigan St. has a legit chance to make it to the Final Four. They're not a favorite, to me everyone is a notch below NC, Conn, Pitt and Oklahoma. Everyone outside of that group has flaws, MSU has as good a shot as any in the next tier. All you need is one #1 seed to fall and someone who "shouldn't" be there will be.

BRM
02-19-2009, 05:47 PM
Only if the other teams agree to keep it under 50.

Hey, low scoring means great defense is being played! Right? Right? :laugh:

dabvu2498
02-19-2009, 05:49 PM
My favorite "off the beaten path" story of this season: The Citadel. Anyone else ever read Pat Conroy's My Losing Season? Good read and will give you an appreciation for having a good season there. Conroy's cousin is their head coach now by the way.

Razor Shines
02-22-2009, 01:23 AM
I watched Butler - Davidson today. I didn't realize how good Gordon Hayward is, definitely one of the top freshmen in the country.

Revering4Blue
02-22-2009, 10:55 AM
Texas upset a Blake Griffin-less Sooner team last night.

Kudos to Maryland and Washington State for upsetting UNC and UCLA, respectively. Washington State pulled it off on the road, no less.

Speaking of the Pac-10, props to coach Lorenzo Romar for resurrecting the Washington Huskie program. They are a fun team to watch. Their star freshman PG's name---I'm not making this up--- Isaiah Thomas.

Boston Red
02-22-2009, 11:00 AM
My favorite "off the beaten path" story of this season: The Citadel. Anyone else ever read Pat Conroy's My Losing Season? Good read and will give you an appreciation for having a good season there. Conroy's cousin is their head coach now by the way.

Yeah, I just noticed they had a winning record when they beat Davidson the other day. Unfortunately for them, it's the wrong year to be good. No one in the SoCon will touch Davidson again once Curry is fully healed.

And The Citadel is still the second-best SoCon team in Charleston.

WVRed
02-23-2009, 12:16 AM
Texas upset a Blake Griffin-less Sooner team last night.

Kudos to Maryland and Washington State for upsetting UNC and UCLA, respectively. Washington State pulled it off on the road, no less.

Speaking of the Pac-10, props to coach Lorenzo Romar for resurrecting the Washington Huskie program. They are a fun team to watch. Their star freshman PG's name---I'm not making this up--- Isaiah Thomas.

By all accounts, Pitt should be no 1 right now. Oklahoma and UNC were ranked ahead of them and both fell. I guess nobody wants the target on their back.:)

cumberlandreds
02-23-2009, 08:54 AM
By all accounts, Pitt should be no 1 right now. Oklahoma and UNC were ranked ahead of them and both fell. I guess nobody wants the target on their back.:)

Feb is the dog days of the college season. It seems every season Feb is a merry-go-around for the number one slot. Even though Oklahoma lost I was impressed by how they played after Griffin got hurt. I think they are going to be really tough to beat in the NCAA's. Willie Warren is one of the best looking freshman I have seen this season. What a matchup it would be with a Griffin/Blair game in the NCAA's. Like to see that one.

Chip R
03-08-2009, 05:21 PM
Whooooooooo! UNI, fight! UNI, fight!

Slyder
03-08-2009, 09:39 PM
That Big East tournament is going to be brutal. Right now you've got West Virginia, a likely NCAA tournament team, having to win 5 games in 5 days. That's crazy.

Top 8 its the same as every other year. You still have to win 4 games in 4 days. This really hurts teams like Notre Dame and Georgetown (bottom 8) who will have to win 5 games to win the big east. This was an idea to just try and make every member school a little bit of money and get even the lowest teams some tv time in NYC.

Speaking of WVU. If Michigan gets in odds that the commitee "tweaks" things so Belien plays his old school and you can hype up Belien/Huggins?

dabvu2498
03-08-2009, 10:44 PM
Top 8 its the same as every other year. You still have to win 4 games in 4 days. This really hurts teams like Notre Dame and Georgetown (bottom 8) who will have to win 5 games to win the big east. This was an idea to just try and make every member school a little bit of money and get even the lowest teams some tv time in NYC. Speaking of WVU. If Michigan gets in odds that the commitee "tweaks" things so Belien plays his old school and you can hype up Belien/Huggins? I hope that is in Dayton. But I bet we get crappy matchups as all the tickets are sold already.

Red
03-08-2009, 11:16 PM
It will be interesting to see who wins the Big East tourney because if Louisville pulls it out, shouldn't the Big East have 3 teams as number 1 seeds? It would seem Pitt and UConn are getting them no matter what and Louisville already won the regular season crown. How do you win the league of two number one seeds and not get one yourself?

Right now they might be on the outside looking in with Oklahoma and UNC getting the other two but if they win the conference tourney, how are they not a 1?

To be honest I could care less about who gets seeded where but I think it is pretty amazing that one league could have 3 top seeds. It could potentially be harder to win the Big East than the national title. More games for the NCAA crown but depending on who you are and what happens in front of you, it is possible you win the whole thing without ever playing anyone as good as Pitt, UConn and Louisville.

DTCromer
03-09-2009, 12:22 AM
It will be interesting to see who wins the Big East tourney because if Louisville pulls it out, shouldn't the Big East have 3 teams as number 1 seeds? It would seem Pitt and UConn are getting them no matter what and Louisville already won the regular season crown. How do you win the league of two number one seeds and not get one yourself?

Right now they might be on the outside looking in with Oklahoma and UNC getting the other two but if they win the conference tourney, how are they not a 1?

To be honest I could care less about who gets seeded where but I think it is pretty amazing that one league could have 3 top seeds. It could potentially be harder to win the Big East than the national title. More games for the NCAA crown but depending on who you are and what happens in front of you, it is possible you win the whole thing without ever playing anyone as good as Pitt, UConn and Louisville.

If the tournament was drawn up today, Pitt/UConn/Louisville would all be #1 seeds along with UNC.

Honestly, is there anyone else out there who should be a #1 seed over UL right now? OU's recent demise dropped them to a #2.

Razor Shines
03-09-2009, 03:09 AM
If the tournament was drawn up today, Pitt/UConn/Louisville would all be #1 seeds along with UNC.

Honestly, is there anyone else out there who should be a #1 seed over UL right now? OU's recent demise dropped them to a #2.

You're probably right about the 3 number ones from the Big East, but I don't see it happening. I just don't think they'll give 3 teams from one conference #1 seeds.

I actually heard Clark Kellogg today say that Mich. St. might get a number one seed. Mich St. is a good team, but a #1? And as I was laughing about that I looked up some projections and this site (http://www.bracketography.com/) has Mich St. as a number one and Louisville as a number 2. That projection was from Friday thought, It'll be interesting to see if they change it after this weekend.

ESPN has the four number ones as: UESPN....I mean UConn, Pitt, OK and UNC. And honestly that's what I think it will be also, whether OK deserves it or not.

DTCromer
03-09-2009, 08:41 AM
You're probably right about the 3 number ones from the Big East, but I don't see it happening. I just don't think they'll give 3 teams from one conference #1 seeds.

I actually heard Clark Kellogg today say that Mich. St. might get a number one seed. Mich St. is a good team, but a #1? And as I was laughing about that I looked up some projections and this site (http://www.bracketography.com/) has Mich St. as a number one and Louisville as a number 2. That projection was from Friday thought, It'll be interesting to see if they change it after this weekend.

ESPN has the four number ones as: UESPN....I mean UConn, Pitt, OK and UNC. And honestly that's what I think it will be also, whether OK deserves it or not.

I know it was in December, but #1 seeds don't get blown out of the building on a home court (I know it technically wasn't their home court, but it was in Detroit) vs anyone. I don't care that it was UNC. That game was over as soon as they jumped from center court.

#1 seeds also don't lose on their home floor to Northwestern.

MSU getting a #1 will be very laughable.

I realize UL lost to WKU in December, but they've won 17 of their last 19 in the deepest conference and arguably the best conference in the country. If they make it to the finals of the BET, I think they're almost a lock for a #1.

Boston Red
03-09-2009, 11:51 AM
If Michigan State is a #1, teams will be lining up to be the #2 in that region!

dsmith421
03-09-2009, 12:20 PM
I know it was in December, but #1 seeds don't get blown out of the building on a home court (I know it technically wasn't their home court, but it was in Detroit) vs anyone. I don't care that it was UNC. That game was over as soon as they jumped from center court.

Louisville got crucified by a NIT-bound Notre Dame club on a seven-game losing streak in February. But I guess that doesn't count.


#1 seeds also don't lose on their home floor to Northwestern.

Do they lose on their home floor to a UNLV team playing without its best player? Do they lose to a Sun Belt team on a neutral floor? You can't just cherrypick a bad MSU loss and ignore similar flaws (against worse teams) in Louisville's resume.

Also, Northwestern and Penn State are both bubble teams. Notre Dame is not.


MSU getting a #1 will be very laughable.

That's just false, I'm sorry. MSU's resume stacks up pretty well compared to Louisville's. Both teams are 25-5, MSU is 4-2 against the RPI Top 25 compared to 4-1 for U of L, MSU is 12-3 against the RPI Top 50 (U of L 8-2). Incidentally, State's 12 Top 50 wins are the most in the entire country, including the top schools in the ACC. If State getting a 1 is laughable, so is Louisville being in consideration.

Finally, Louisville's best non-conference win is UAB. Michigan State beat Texas, Oklahoma State, and Kansas.


I realize UL lost to WKU in December, but they've won 17 of their last 19 in the deepest conference and arguably the best conference in the country. If they make it to the finals of the BET, I think they're almost a lock for a #1.

I think they may well be a "lock" for a #1 seed if they make the final of the BE Tournament, but they'll get that seed at the expense of UConn, not Michigan State.

Look, I like Louisville, but I think Michigan State is being criminally underrated here. I realize ripping on the Big Ten is the favorite pasttime of half the country, but come on...

joshnky
03-09-2009, 01:00 PM
Look, I like Louisville, but I think Michigan State is being criminally underrated here. I realize ripping on the Big Ten is the favorite pasttime of half the country, but come on...

I largely agree with your comments regarding Louisville. If the tournament started right now they would get punished for those early losses and be a 2-seed. Realistically, I think they'll have to win the Big East Tourney or have Oklahoma and/or Memphis collapse in order to move onto that top line.

That being said I feel confident that Louisville is one of the top four teams in the country. They were awful in non-conference but starting with the UK gain a light went on and they've been winning ever since. Only two losses in the best league to a tough UConn team (with Dyson) and then a Notre Dame team on the road that was fighting for their postseason lives proves that point.

This is the first year in a while where no team scares me. A lesser Louisville team destroyed Blake Griffin and OU last year in the tourney and given how they shut down DeJuan Blair I feel comfortable that they could slow Griffin. They've already beat Pitt and a rematch with UConn (minus Dyson) should be much different than the first time around. That only leaves UNC who is so erratic defensively that they could get knocked off early by a hot shooting underdog.

Razor Shines
03-09-2009, 01:36 PM
Also, Northwestern and Penn State are both bubble teams. Notre Dame is not.



Well let's slow down there a little, if ND was in the big ten they wouldn't be a bubble team; they'd be a lock for the tournament. Nwestern is 8-10 in the big 10 and ND is 8-10 in Big East.

Hoosier Red
03-09-2009, 01:53 PM
Maybe Razor,

The Big 11 is pretty good top to almost bottom.

I went to Pomeroy's rankings which are based more on statistical inputs than actual wins and losses. By the way does anyone have access to a good free RPI site?

Anyway, he has Depaul at 215, Rutgers at 142, South Florida at 129, and St. Johns at 109.

The Big 11 has IU at 205, and Iowa at 85.

dsmith421
03-09-2009, 02:32 PM
Well let's slow down there a little, if ND was in the big ten they wouldn't be a bubble team; they'd be a lock for the tournament.

The middle and bottom of the Big East are so overrated it's not funny. I'd take Northwestern over Providence on a neutral floor.

dsmith421
03-09-2009, 02:32 PM
I went to Pomeroy's rankings which are based more on statistical inputs than actual wins and losses. By the way does anyone have access to a good free RPI site?

I use www.rpiforecast.com. They have nice scenario analyses approximating where teams will end up given conference tournament results.

Hoosier Red
03-09-2009, 03:23 PM
I use www.rpiforecast.com. They have nice scenario analyses approximating where teams will end up given conference tournament results.

That's a nice site, its even less kind to the Big East bottom.

Depaul at 209, Rutgers at 187, South Florida at 181, St. Johns at 155 and Seton Hall at 98.

Meanwhile IU at 210, Iowa at 112, then Northwestern is next lowest at 69.

BRM
03-09-2009, 04:22 PM
RealTimeRPI.com has it as DePaul 209, Rutgers 186, South Florida 181, St Johns 148, Seton Hall 100. Big Ten bottom is Indiana 211, Iowa 112.

bucksfan2
03-09-2009, 04:33 PM
The middle and bottom of the Big East are so overrated it's not funny. I'd take Northwestern over Providence on a neutral floor.

I tend to agree with the exception of Notre Dame. IMO there is always one good team each year that for some reason or another has a very very bad season. ND fits the bill this season. They got on a losing streak and it just kept unraveling.

DePaul, Rutgers, Seton Hall, South Florida, and St. Johns are all pretty poor teams. UC and Providence are ok teams but I wouldn't think of them as quality Big East teams. Pitt, UConn, Louisville, and Villinova are very dangerous teams. Marquette was until it lost James for the season. WVU and Syracuse are nice teams that have the potential to win a couple of games in the tourney.

dsmith421
03-09-2009, 05:32 PM
I tend to agree with the exception of Notre Dame. IMO there is always one good team each year that for some reason or another has a very very bad season. ND fits the bill this season. They got on a losing streak and it just kept unraveling.

I think Notre Dame's chief problem is that they have no depth whatsoever and are over-reliant on the three. When you combine those two you're bound to have issues when the league games and travel start piling up.

Boss-Hog
03-09-2009, 05:47 PM
I think Notre Dame's chief problem is that they have no depth whatsoever and are over-reliant on the three. When you combine those two you're bound to have issues when the league games and travel start piling up.
It wouldn't hurt if they played a bit of defense, either. ;)

WVRed
03-10-2009, 12:32 AM
Something that really got me thinking when looking at Notre Dame.

Remember when Bill Guthridge retired from UNC and everybody was speculating who in the UNC family tree would take up where Dean Smith left off? They started speculating on Mike Brey leaving for Duke after he accepted the Notre Dame job when Matt Doherty left for UNC.

My guess is Brey's stock has fallen in that regard, but unless Johnny Dawkins does something marvelous at Stanford, I don't think Duke really has a true successor in place.

dsmith421
03-10-2009, 10:36 AM
My guess is Brey's stock has fallen in that regard, but unless Johnny Dawkins does something marvelous at Stanford, I don't think Duke really has a true successor in place.

Jeff Capel?

dabvu2498
03-10-2009, 11:19 AM
Jeff Capel? That is almost funny to think about.

dsmith421
03-10-2009, 11:22 AM
That is almost funny to think about.

Does he have some feud with Krzyzewski or something that I've forgotten? It seems like he would be the obvious successor at Dook.

BRM
03-10-2009, 11:24 AM
Personally, I'm hoping Tommy Amaker takes over when Coach K retires.

WVRed
03-10-2009, 01:04 PM
Does he have some feud with Krzyzewski or something that I've forgotten? It seems like he would be the obvious successor at Dook.

I forgot about Capel. That being said, my guess is he will leave Oklahoma for a bigger fish before Coach K retires and likely be laid out to dry.

BRM
03-10-2009, 01:19 PM
I forgot about Capel. That being said, my guess is he will leave Oklahoma for a bigger fish before Coach K retires and likely be laid out to dry.

Is Capel known as a great recruiter? He did land Blake Griffin.

dabvu2498
03-10-2009, 01:20 PM
Does he have some feud with Krzyzewski or something that I've forgotten? It seems like he would be the obvious successor at Dook. Nah, just the thought of K being gone from Duke makes me laugh. I think the next guy there better have a serious resume. I am not sure it is going to be as easy for someone else to get dudes in there.

BRM
03-10-2009, 01:22 PM
The replacement for K probably won't last all that long. It's pretty tough to follow a legend, an icon.

dabvu2498
03-10-2009, 01:26 PM
Personally, I'm hoping Tommy Amaker takes over when Coach K retires. Maybe Pete Gaudet can come back and be his top assistant.

dabvu2498
03-10-2009, 01:29 PM
Quinn Snyder could come back too, I bet.

BRM
03-10-2009, 01:31 PM
Quinn Snyder could come back too, I bet.

Now you did it. Razor Shines' head may explode...

dabvu2498
03-10-2009, 01:41 PM
Now you did it. Razor Shines' head may explode... Not as much as another 1st weekend loss will! I keed! I keed! I would be more offended by the Pete Gaudet reference if I were a Duke fan.

Razor Shines
03-10-2009, 01:42 PM
Now you did it. Razor Shines' head may explode...

:laugh: Why would Snyder want to leave his sweet gig as Head Coach of the NBDL's Austin Toros?

I think it's too early to talk about successors. IMO, Coach K will be there for 8-10 more seasons. Maybe by then Dawkins will be ready, maybe Capel will want to take over. Could be someone outside the Duke family, I think it's way too hard to make a good guess right now.

BRM
03-10-2009, 01:45 PM
I agree with you Razor. Coach K isn't leaving anytime soon.

BRM
03-10-2009, 01:48 PM
Speaking of replacing legends, how long do you guys think Pat Knight will last at Texas Tech?

Razor Shines
03-10-2009, 01:48 PM
Not as much as another 1st weekend loss will! I keed! I keed! I would be more offended by the Pete Gaudet reference if I were a Duke fan.

You know my routine I start out rooting for IU then they lose (this year they'll be out before it starts), then I move on to Duke and they lose, then I go for Butler or another Indiana school and they lose, then I root for Texas and they lose and then I pick the cinderella story and successfully sink that ship...basically when it's all said and done I will have single handedly crushed the dreams of 15-20 of the 63 teams. For a small fee I can root for the team that your favorite team is playing.

BRM
03-10-2009, 01:49 PM
You know my routine I start out rooting for IU then they lose (this year they'll be out before it's starts), then I move on to Duke and they lose, then I go for Butler or another Indiana school and they lose, then I root for Texas and they lose and then I pick the cinderella story and successfully sink that ship...basically when it's all said and done I will have single handedly crushed the dreams of 15-20 of the 63 teams. For a small fee I can root for the team that your favorite team is playing.

:laugh:

Sounds like my March every year, minus the rooting for Duke part of course.

dabvu2498
03-10-2009, 01:56 PM
:laugh: Why would Snyder want to leave his sweet gig as Head Coach of the NBDL's Austin Toros? I think it's too early to talk about successors. IMO, Coach K will be there for 8-10 more seasons. Maybe by then Dawkins will be ready, maybe Capel will want to take over. Could be someone outside the Duke family, I think it's way too hard to make a good guess right now. I tend to agree, barring another "back problem." ;)

Hoosier Red
03-10-2009, 02:04 PM
:laugh:

Sounds like my March every year, minus the rooting for Duke part of course.

My friend who's a Cubs' fan was excited a few years ago when the Cubs were swept out of the playoffs by a team that was swept out the next round by a team that was swept in the World Series. Total Cub Suckitude, which is of course something I can get behind.

15fan
03-10-2009, 03:41 PM
Does he have some feud with Krzyzewski or something that I've forgotten? It seems like he would be the obvious successor at Dook.

The thing about Capel is that he's the one guy from the Duke family who has gone out and succeeded as a head coach.

And what makes it particularly interesting is that he's also pretty much the only Duke guy to go a non-Duke route to do it. He didn't sit on the sidelines with K, a la Brey, Amaker, Snyder, or the current bunch of Collins/Wojo/Dawkins. The guys who have ridden K's tails have been, well, flops. ;)

Capel's dad was HC at Old Dominion (?), which opened the door for Jeff Jr. I don't know if there was a "falling out" between Capel and K, but I do think there was a parting of the ways when Jeff set out on his own. Maybe it had to do with Capel Sr. weighing in on the way that K threw Pete Gaudet under the bus in 1995?

(Ah 1995. What a grand and glorious ACC season that was...)

Boston Red
03-10-2009, 03:48 PM
the current bunch of Collins/Wojo/Dawkins.


Dawkins is at Stanford.

BRM
03-10-2009, 03:56 PM
Dawkins is at Stanford.

Dawkins sat on the bench as a Duke asssistant for quite a while though.

Boston Red
03-10-2009, 03:58 PM
Absolutely. I thought he would stay there until K retired and take over (I thought he was their Phil Ford...minus the drunk driving). But he's not part of the "current bunch".

15fan
03-10-2009, 03:59 PM
Dawkins is at Stanford.

Yep. My bad. I was thinking Nate James but typed Dawkins.

BRM
03-10-2009, 04:18 PM
DePaul over Cincinnati in the Big East 1st round. Wow. Cincinnati has really fallen the last few weeks, losing 6 of their last 7 games.

Boston Red
03-10-2009, 05:38 PM
Obviously a very disappointing end to a very disappointing season for Georgetown.

BRM
03-10-2009, 05:39 PM
Obviously a very disappointing end to a very disappointing season for Georgetown.

No kidding. Some analysts were even talking Final Four for the Hoyas back in November/early December.

Reds Fanatic
03-11-2009, 12:22 AM
Butler was upset by Cleveland State in the Horizon League finals tonight which will take away a spot from a team on the bubble.

Boston Red
03-11-2009, 12:42 AM
Let's go Western! Five minutes to go!

Boston Red
03-11-2009, 12:58 AM
Ok, now if UK can get it together and win four games in four days, the state of Kentucky can provide 1/16 of the NCAA Tournament field.

dabvu2498
03-11-2009, 01:02 AM
Let's go Western! Five minutes to go! The red towel waves on! Not very pretty, but who cares? I like that team. They play together. And that Kerusch kid. Wow. What an athlete.

OSUredsFAN
03-11-2009, 01:13 AM
Ok, now if UK can get it together and win four games in four days, the state of Kentucky can provide 1/16 of the NCAA Tournament field.

same can be said for the Buckeye state (Cleve St, OSU, Dayton, and Xavier)

Boston Red
03-11-2009, 01:24 AM
Miami has a shot, too...or Kent, Akron or Bowling Green (can't see Ohio getting it done).

Boston Red
03-11-2009, 02:47 PM
It would be quite a story if DePaul can hold on and beat Providence in MSG. From 0-18 to winning two straight? I bet most of the traveling party doesn't have enough clothes to get them through tomorrow.

BRM
03-11-2009, 02:56 PM
Looks like the Friars may have woken up. They now lead by 8 with about 3:30 to go.

Boston Red
03-11-2009, 02:57 PM
Oops, looks like I jinxed the Blue Demons. They all of a sudden became DePaul again.

BRM
03-11-2009, 03:20 PM
Providence wins it 83-74. They move on to play Louisville tomorrow at noon.

BRM
03-12-2009, 11:05 AM
Texas A&M blew a 19 point half-time lead and lost to the Red Raiders last night. I don't think they were really a bubble team anyway and this loss won't keep them out of the Dance. Not a good way to wrap up the season though.

dabvu2498
03-12-2009, 11:19 AM
Texas A&M blew a 19 point half-time lead and lost to the Red Raiders last night. I don't think they were really a bubble team anyway and this loss won't keep them out of the Dance. Not a good way to wrap up the season though. How do you allow one guy to score 29 straight?

BRM
03-12-2009, 11:44 AM
How do you allow one guy to score 29 straight?

Amazing, huh? Singletary won that game single-handedly for Tech.

BRM
03-12-2009, 01:55 PM
Baylor is out to a pretty good lead against Kansas but it's still early in that one. The Cards are up 10 at the half on Providence.

BRM
03-12-2009, 03:00 PM
VA Tech and Xavier both cruise to easy victories today. Louisville and Minnesota are both close to wrapping up W's as well. UK down 2 at the half.

Reds Fanatic
03-12-2009, 03:36 PM
Baylor upset Kansas in the Big 12 quaterfinals

BRM
03-12-2009, 03:39 PM
Baylor upset Kansas in the Big 12 quaterfinals

The 2nd upset so far in the Big 12 tourney.

Boston Red
03-12-2009, 03:43 PM
Baylor's got a good squad. I lost track of them this season and was shocked to see their Big XII record. But they are definitely capable of winning that Tournament (bold call after they beat the #1 seed, I know).

BRM
03-12-2009, 03:48 PM
I haven't seen Baylor play all that much this year. I could see an underdog like Baylor winning the Big 12 tournament though.

Georgia Tech is giving Clemson all they can handle at the moment. UK and Ole Miss are in a pretty good one right now too.

HBP
03-12-2009, 03:53 PM
Wow, David Huertas must be feeling it today

BRM
03-12-2009, 03:54 PM
Wow, David Huertas must be feeling it today

Wow. He must have shot that one from the parking lot.

15fan
03-12-2009, 05:15 PM
Baylor's got a good squad. I lost track of them this season and was shocked to see their Big XII record. But they are definitely capable of winning that Tournament (bold call after they beat the #1 seed, I know).

Yep. They gave my Deacs a really good game (http://scores.espn.go.com/ncb/recap?gameId=283350239) early in the year. Was Baylor's only loss during the 2008 portion of this season.

They're a veteran squad who went to the NCAA tourney last year, and gave a good Texas team (ie, Kevin Durant) a big-time scare in the 2007 Big XII tourney. Jerrells and Dunn give them plenty of punch in the backcourt.

BRM
03-12-2009, 05:28 PM
Georgia Tech pulls off the 1st upset in the ACC tournament, beating Clemson 86-81.

Reds Fanatic
03-12-2009, 05:28 PM
Georgia Tech just upset 18th ranked Clemson in the ACC first round. Georgia Tech is now 12-18 on the season.

joshnky
03-12-2009, 07:25 PM
I'm not sure why but I have been able to watch all the tourney games on espn360.com without an account. I've tried this before and I believe it was a pay service so maybe they're making it free to the postseason. Its a nice way to watch your team play at work or if you don't have the channel the game is on.

Boston Red
03-12-2009, 08:10 PM
ESPN360 is free....if your ISP pays for it. Verizon I know carries it, but most ISPs do not.

Razor Shines
03-12-2009, 08:30 PM
I'm not sure why but I have been able to watch all the tourney games on espn360.com without an account. I've tried this before and I believe it was a pay service so maybe they're making it free to the postseason. Its a nice way to watch your team play at work or if you don't have the channel the game is on.

It's free for certain ISPs. I can't get on it at my work because we don't have the right ISP. I don't know if that's how it's always been, but I do know that it's worked like that for the past couple months.

DTCromer
03-12-2009, 09:34 PM
Am I the only one who loves the Big East officiating? Letting the players play.

It's painful to watch a Big 10 game with more fouls than points scored.

Reds Fanatic
03-12-2009, 10:01 PM
Great game between Oklahoma and Oklahoma State is tied with about a minute and half left. Game is on the YES network.

Slyder
03-12-2009, 10:15 PM
Pittsburgh just got Pittsnog... wait that was a few years ago.

Pittsburgh just got Ebanked to the curb!

Captain Hook
03-12-2009, 10:21 PM
Does anyone know if CBS will be showing all of the NCAA tourney on their web site again this year?

Reds Fanatic
03-12-2009, 10:41 PM
Does anyone know if CBS will be showing all of the NCAA tourney on their web site again this year?

Yes they are and this year they have a new higher quality player to view the games in better quality than previous years.

http://mmod.ncaa.com/

dabvu2498
03-13-2009, 01:00 AM
I saw better officiating in high school games last night than in the Big East tonight. The only call the got right was the replay of Devendorf's shot. And they got it wrong in real time.

Reds Fanatic
03-13-2009, 01:49 AM
Syracuse and Connecticut are now headed to the 5th overtime of their game tied 104-104.

dabvu2498
03-13-2009, 01:53 AM
Best game ever. It ain't pretty at this point but they have played soooo hard.

Reds Fanatic
03-13-2009, 02:04 AM
Amazing. Now going to the 6th overtime tied 110-110.

dabvu2498
03-13-2009, 02:07 AM
Sweet mama! 6 overtimes. What I would do to have Johnny Flynn on my team!

Razor Shines
03-13-2009, 02:08 AM
Wow. I really don't know what else to say.

BCubb2003
03-13-2009, 02:13 AM
Walk-on Justin Thomas got his first rebound of the season.

Reds Fanatic
03-13-2009, 02:24 AM
Syracuse wins 127-117. One of the greatest games of any sport I have ever seen.

2nd longest game in college basketball history.

Razor Shines
03-13-2009, 02:24 AM
Only 6 OTs? How boring.

WMR
03-13-2009, 02:25 AM
Whoever gets them tomorrow has gotta be licking their chops.

dabvu2498
03-13-2009, 02:27 AM
Flynn played 67 minutes. Only had 11 assists. :) That was the best stuff I have ever seen.

Boston Red
03-13-2009, 02:27 AM
Whoever gets them tomorrow has gotta be licking their chops.

Huggy Bear

Reds Fanatic
03-13-2009, 02:28 AM
Flynn played 67 minutes. Only had 11 assists. :) That was the best stuff I have ever seen.

Flynn has played over 100 minutes in the last 2 nights. Now they have 20 hours to recover to play West Virginia.

WMR
03-13-2009, 02:28 AM
Louisville SHOULD win this thing handily after this.

Playadlc
03-13-2009, 02:28 AM
Thank God that circus is over...I can finally go to bed.

WMR
03-13-2009, 02:29 AM
Huggy Bear

Can't wait to watch that game.

deltachi8
03-13-2009, 02:32 AM
My satellite went out in a rain storm during the second OT - so glad I kept up online until it came back instead of going to bed. I am flying into Syracuse Saturday, it would be great to watch a Big East Championship game on the hill....

Something told me to put on my Syracuse Hoodie this morning....glad I listened. Terrific game!

dabvu2498
03-13-2009, 02:33 AM
The highlight package took 5 minutes.

joshnky
03-13-2009, 07:37 AM
Flynn played 67 minutes. Only had 11 assists. :) That was the best stuff I have ever seen.

Flynn is a terrific college point guard and the driving force behind a high scoring Syracuse team. I enjoy watching him play but, on the other hand, I despise Eric Devendorf. I enjoyed watching Louisville shut him up earlier this year.

It will be amazing if Syracuse can come back and win tonight. They really don't have much of a bench to speak of and no one that can match Flynn's production who should be exhausted after two games in two days, one of which he played 67 grueling minutes.

Given the advantage of rest and just superior talent the Louisville-Villanova semi should decide the tourney champ.

On another point, does anyone want to be a #1 seed this year? Four potential number ones all lost yesterday (OU, Pitt, UConn, and Kansas). That leaves only Louisville, UNC, and Memphis (maybe) as potential number ones that are still playing.

cumberlandreds
03-13-2009, 08:44 AM
Syracuse wins 127-117. One of the greatest games of any sport I have ever seen.

2nd longest game in college basketball history.

I witnessed a 6 OT high school game back about 1983. My high school played a 6 ot in a regional tournament in Kentucky. It was an amazing thing to watch. Totally drained after that one. The team was too. They had a night off before they had to play again and still didn't have much left and lost a close game.
WVU has to feel good about their game tonight. Syracuse can't have too much left in the tank after that one.

Roy Tucker
03-13-2009, 09:17 AM
Rats. I went to bed at the end of regulation of the UConn-'Cuse game. Fun game, but I just wasn't that invested.

bucksfan2
03-13-2009, 10:12 AM
Flynn is a terrific college point guard and the driving force behind a high scoring Syracuse team. I enjoy watching him play but, on the other hand, I despise Eric Devendorf. I enjoyed watching Louisville shut him up earlier this year.

I am with you. He is a pretty poor human being that shouldn't be playing basketball this season. My impression of Boeheim has changed by letting Devendorf back on the team after he assaulted a female. Its a shame that a hall of fame coach felt that winning is more important and not the character of players he coaches.

It will be interesting to see how Syracuse rebounds. Their zone defense will help a little bit but playing less than a day after a 6OT game is insane.

BRM
03-13-2009, 10:16 AM
Rats. I went to bed at the end of regulation of the UConn-'Cuse game. Fun game, but I just wasn't that invested.

I crashed after the 2nd OT unfortunately.

TeamSelig
03-13-2009, 10:31 AM
6 OTs...wow

BRM
03-13-2009, 10:35 AM
I assume New Mexico and UNLV are off the bubble now. Both are probably headed for the NIT after losing yesterday.

ThatPitchIsDunn
03-13-2009, 10:38 AM
I am with you. He is a pretty poor human being that shouldn't be playing basketball this season. My impression of Boeheim has changed by letting Devendorf back on the team after he assaulted a female. Its a shame that a hall of fame coach felt that winning is more important and not the character of players he coaches.

It will be interesting to see how Syracuse rebounds. Their zone defense will help a little bit but playing less than a day after a 6OT game is insane.

I am by no means a Devendorf apologist, although I am a Syracuse grad, but the media kinda let go of Eric's story once the girl who accused him of assault changed her story. Her lawyer backtracked and said she never said he physically assaulted her, and other reports out of Cuse area reporters said that it was a verbal altercation that the girl started - he was eventually only charged with harassment. Technically, Devendorf did his public service and was allowed back on the team. Morally, coaches are supposed to be molding these players into young men, but that's why they pay Boeheim a seven figure salary and not me - to make those decisions.

All that being said, Devo's a talented idiot who mouths off too much. Sean McDonough put it best last night - "he keeps both teams in the game" Great shooter and driver, but too many turnovers and showboating at times.

If you want to see great guards who play the game the right way on all accounts, just look at Flynn and Rautins. Jonny was superhuman last night, and Rautins hit big shot after big shot from DEEP. What a game...almost made it worth the exhaustion I'm feeling at the office today.

HeatherC1212
03-13-2009, 10:58 AM
SIX overtimes and they have to play again tonight?!?! Wow. That's insane. :eek:

Boston Red
03-13-2009, 11:04 AM
SIX overtimes and they have to play again tonight?!?! Wow. That's insane. :eek:

Not too dissimilar from Georgia having to play twice on Saturday at the SEC Tournament last year and then turn around and play again Sunday afternoon.

BRM
03-13-2009, 11:10 AM
A couple of pretty good games are on early today. Minnesota takes on MSU at noon and UK plays LSU at 1:00. North Carolina plays at noon too. What's the final word on Ty Lawson? Is he out for the conference tourney?

Danny Serafini
03-13-2009, 11:27 AM
All I can say is thank God Syracuse won! There are few things more irritating than watching one of your teams play a ridiculously long game only to lose at the end.

Boston Red
03-13-2009, 12:06 PM
All I can say is thank God Syracuse won! There are few things more irritating than watching one of your teams play a ridiculously long game only to lose at the end.


Reds/Padres last year. Plus it ruined our ace and screwed up the rotation. Other than that, it was awesome.

BRM
03-13-2009, 12:58 PM
Lunardi now has U of L, Pitt, UCONN and North Carolina as the #1 seeds. His last four in are Penn State, Creighton, San Diego St. and New Mexico. Last four out are Florida, Arizona, UNLV and Saint Mary's.

Boston Red
03-13-2009, 01:18 PM
MWC is cluttering the Bubble.

Danny Serafini
03-13-2009, 01:25 PM
The Mountain West is tough to figure right now. UNLV has to be dead now, but what to do with San Diego St. and New Mexico?

BRM
03-13-2009, 03:00 PM
The Tar Heels are in a tight one against the Hokies.

Carolina wins it 79-76.

dabvu2498
03-13-2009, 03:07 PM
The Tar Heels are in a tight one against the Hokies. Just another reminder to Seth that he coaches the Hokies. They got hosed on that jump ball call.

BRM
03-13-2009, 03:09 PM
Looks like Tubby and the Gophers will come up short against the Spartans.

15fan
03-13-2009, 03:17 PM
Just another reminder to Seth that he coaches the Hokies. They got hosed on that jump ball call.

No way.

An ACC team not wearing blue got hosed? In a game Karl Hess was officiating?

Get out!

BRM
03-13-2009, 03:26 PM
Up next for the Big Ten: tOSU and Wisconsin. Up next for the ACC: FSU and Georgia Tech.

BRM
03-13-2009, 03:42 PM
LSU has opened up a 14 point lead on Kentucky. 5:48 to play.

BRM
03-13-2009, 04:10 PM
LSU wins it 67-58. Georgia Tech is hanging tough with FSU so far.

UPDATE: FSU is up 6 and tOSU is up 1, both games at halftime.

Reds Fanatic
03-13-2009, 10:25 PM
Baylor the number 9 seed in the Big 12 just beat Texas to advance to the Big 12 Final.

Boston Red
03-13-2009, 10:47 PM
Xavier is having a miserable end to a season that would have been fantastic had it ended four weeks ago.

Reds Fanatic
03-14-2009, 12:34 AM
Another overtime for Syracuse tonight.

Danny Serafini
03-14-2009, 01:46 AM
It's amusing how SEC basketball has become the inverse of SEC football. There's a legit chance they'll send fewer teams to the tournament than the Atlantic 10 and Mountain West, and the same number as the Horizon.

WVRed
03-14-2009, 11:39 AM
It's amusing how SEC basketball has become the inverse of SEC football. There's a legit chance they'll send fewer teams to the tournament than the Atlantic 10 and Mountain West, and the same number as the Horizon.

My guess is LSU and Tennessee will be the only two teams from the SEC to make it, unless Auburn would happen to beat Tennessee tonight or win the SEC championship.

LSU can make some noise in the tournament though.

Matt700wlw
03-14-2009, 12:40 PM
I would have loved to have seen Huggs and WV advance to the finals, but props to Syracuse....their run right now is quite impressive.

joshnky
03-14-2009, 02:25 PM
Although Gus Johnson seems ready to crown Memphis NCAA champs I find them really unimpressive. I hope they're in Louisville's bracket as the Cards would crush them. Its easy to look good playing against bad teams that turn the ball over and don't get back in transition.

BuckeyeRed27
03-14-2009, 02:51 PM
Watching the OSU/MSU game and already Ed Hightower is making sure the game is all about him. Worst ref in the country without question.

hebroncougar
03-14-2009, 03:40 PM
Although Gus Johnson seems ready to crown Memphis NCAA champs I find them really unimpressive. I hope they're in Louisville's bracket as the Cards would crush them. Its easy to look good playing against bad teams that turn the ball over and don't get back in transition.

+1, Memphis is easily the most overrated team in college basketball, and it's not even close. I really hope Louisville is seeded a 2, is mad about it, and gets Memphis as their 1 seed.

Reds Fanatic
03-14-2009, 04:54 PM
Great game by Ohio State today beating Michigan State by 12 to reach the Big Ten final. Also North Carolina lost by 3 to Florida State in the ACC Semifinals.

redsfan1966
03-14-2009, 07:34 PM
Congrats to "Chad" Motta and THE Ohio State University. By the way, Joe Linardi (ESPN Bracketologist) has really bad hair...;)

guttle11
03-15-2009, 12:01 AM
Watching the OSU/MSU game and already Ed Hightower is making sure the game is all about him. Worst ref in the country without question.

You've obviously never been lucky enough to see Joe DeMayo work a game. The guy will have the same play in his area 5 different times and somehow make 5 different calls. One's a block, one a charge, one a travel, one a charge with the bucket counting, and one a jump ball.

Slyder
03-15-2009, 12:12 AM
Prediction: WVU vs Michigan Rd 1. Dont know where but the commitee will have this be one of "those games" that has "headlines" leading up to it to fill the time between now and when the tournament starts.

dabvu2498
03-15-2009, 03:32 PM
It's amusing how SEC basketball has become the inverse of SEC football. There's a legit chance they'll send fewer teams to the tournament than the Atlantic 10 and Mountain West, and the same number as the Horizon. The SEC championship game has certainly not failed to disappoint. :) The conference was total crap and is keeping it up right through its' final game. What bad basketball!

JBChance
03-15-2009, 04:22 PM
The SEC championship game has certainly not failed to disappoint. :) The conference was total crap and is keeping it up right through its' final game. What bad basketball!

Yeah, watching that right now. Both teams :thumbdown

Only redeeming quality is that its down to the wire.

JBChance
03-15-2009, 04:26 PM
Great game by Ohio State today beating Michigan State by 12 to reach the Big Ten final. Also North Carolina lost by 3 to Florida State in the ACC Semifinals.

Maybe a 6th seed if they win today? That would gain some easier early rounds and the Bucks might go farther.

Probably depends on which Diebler shows up, today.

DTCromer
03-15-2009, 04:28 PM
How fitting would it be for Tubby to take a team full of scrubs to the NCAA tournament while Gillepsie misses it with Meeks and Patterson?

joshnky
03-15-2009, 04:30 PM
Yeah, watching that right now. Both teams :thumbdown

Only redeeming quality is that its down to the wire.

And then no one can in bound the ball. Such a simple play...

DTCromer
03-15-2009, 04:30 PM
I would have loved to have seen Huggs and WV advance to the finals, but props to Syracuse....their run right now is quite impressive.

I'm licking my chops for whomever is SU's 1st round opponent. I'm picking whomever they play.

BRM
03-15-2009, 04:50 PM
The SEC championship game has certainly not failed to disappoint. :) The conference was total crap and is keeping it up right through its' final game. What bad basketball!

I watched the second half of that game and I'd have to agree with you. Pretty sad for a conference championship game.

WVRed
03-15-2009, 07:17 PM
I'm not a fan of the Mountaineers, but I could see a potential WVU-Louisville matchup in the Elite Eight. Michigan St hasn't really impressed me and Kansas isn't the same team from last year.

AccordinglyReds
03-15-2009, 07:52 PM
Hell yes!

Cards #1 overall, AZ Cats IN! :)

I'm so pumped! :)

guttle11
03-15-2009, 08:02 PM
WVU vs Dayton will be a rugby scrum of a basketball game. Not sure how either team will be able to hang with Kansas two days after that.

hebroncougar
03-15-2009, 08:06 PM
Louisville is the overall #1 seed, and might play Ohio State, in Dayton in round 2? That's a crock. While, of course, UNC plays in North Carolina for the first 2 rounds.

WVRed
03-15-2009, 08:08 PM
Hell yes!

Cards #1 overall, AZ Cats IN! :)

I'm so pumped! :)

Arizona getting in really makes me think if Kentucky hadn't lost to Georgia, we likely would have gotten the nod.

WVRed
03-15-2009, 08:09 PM
WVU vs Dayton will be a rugby scrum of a basketball game. Not sure how either team will be able to hang with Kansas two days after that.

Easy. Kansas is down from last year and really isn't that impressive. To be honest, nobody outside of Louisville really is.

paintmered
03-15-2009, 08:17 PM
Weirder things have happened, but Ohio State fans have to feel sick to their stomach with that likely 2nd round matchup.

Reds4Life
03-15-2009, 08:34 PM
3 of 4 #1 seeds are from the Big East. Anyone who thinks the Big East isn't the best basketball conference needs to think again.

WMR
03-15-2009, 08:44 PM
Don't sleep on Siena. They're a good bball team.

BoxingRed
03-15-2009, 08:51 PM
Don't sleep on Siena. They're a good bball team.

I scanned the bracket and thought Siena might be the only team that really has a shot at knocking off the Cards in that bracket. Not sure they have anything to fear from Kansas, MSU (who looked awful the other day) or Wake.

Falls City Beer
03-15-2009, 09:02 PM
I scanned the bracket and thought Siena might be the only team that really has a shot at knocking off the Cards in that bracket. Not sure they have anything to fear from Kansas, MSU (who looked awful the other day) or Wake.

Connecticut's the only #1 with a bunny bracket. Louisville's is actually the toughest, but UNC and Pitt have their crosses to bear too.

WVRed
03-15-2009, 09:08 PM
Connecticut's the only #1 with a bunny bracket. Louisville's is actually the toughest, but UNC and Pitt have their crosses to bear too.

Bunny? I look for Memphis to beat UConn if they meet.

Danny Serafini
03-15-2009, 09:23 PM
Siena is badly overhyped. They've got an artificially inflated RPI because they played some good nonconference opponents, but didn't actually beat any of them. The best teams they've actually beaten this year are Niagara and Northern Iowa.

BoxingRed
03-15-2009, 09:24 PM
Bunny? I look for Memphis to beat UConn if they meet.

As much as I hate Memphis, I have to agree. UConn is just not the same team without Dyson. They haven't had an exceptional win since he went down unless you count the victory over the Dominic James-less Marquette.
That's why I laugh when people point out Louisville's loss to UConn. Was UofL better than that UConn team? No, but they are better than the one that will be playing in the tourney.

Falls City Beer
03-15-2009, 09:47 PM
Bunny? I look for Memphis to beat UConn if they meet.

I doubt it. Memphis is looking to get kicked around by the first team with any defense. In UL's bracket, Boston College, Wake, Kansas, and WVU would all stuff Memphis in a locker (not to mention Louisville). Memphis is by far the weakest 2 seed; probably just an okay 3 seed.

guttle11
03-15-2009, 09:52 PM
Memphis is two teams in one. If they are hitting shots and forcing turnovers, they can win the whole thing. If the shots aren't falling and the opponent is taking care of the ball, they can easily lose in round 2.

Splitting the difference they should at least make the Sweet 16. Don't see them returning to the Final Four unless UConn gets bounced early. I don't think they can beat UConn.

Caveat Emperor
03-15-2009, 11:49 PM
Connecticut's the only #1 with a bunny bracket. Louisville's is actually the toughest, but UNC and Pitt have their crosses to bear too.

Agreed. There are two really easy brackets -- West and East -- and two difficult brackets -- Midwest and South.

In the West, UConn should coast to the Elite Eight, and probably the Final Four -- the toughest matchup they could possibly have on the way is Purdue, and they'll wipe the floor with that squad. In the E8, Memphis can theoretically beat them, but they'd need to hit free throws and play defense to do that -- not sure they're up to that particular challenge. Hell, Memphis might not even make it by Maryland in the second round. If that happens, then UConn could sleepwalk to the finals. All in all, it's a one team bracket, which is kind of a joke.

In the East, Pittsburgh should also coast to the Elite Eight -- I don't see Florida State or Xavier giving them any pause for concern. 'Nova and Duke are both tougher outs than Mizzou and Memphis, IMO, but not by much.

Louisville should easily beat OSU, but then they could get a tough draw with having to play a very good Wake Forest team in the S16 and, following that, probably either Michigan State, Kansas or West Virginia. None of those are "gimmees" for Louisville. There's a lot of talent lurking in this bracket.

UNC's bracket has the team I just don't feel like picking against in Syracuse, but they're with Oklahoma lurking at the bottom half of the region's bracket. UNC could see a good Butler team in the second round that might give them a game if Ty Lawson isn't fully health. Then, after that, a possible matchup with an under-the-radar Gonzaga team. Not exactly cakewalk stuff.

Kinda interesting how it all worked out -- can't say I'm a fan of the positioning involved.

WMR
03-15-2009, 11:50 PM
Jay Bilas said that the West was the most difficult bracket.

Caveat Emperor
03-16-2009, 12:01 AM
Jay Bilas said that the West was the most difficult bracket.

In that case, he's an idiot.

Duke and Michigan State are both stronger #2 seeds than Memphis, IMO.
Villanova, Syrcuse and Kansas are all stronger #3 seeds than Mizzou
Wake and Gonzaga are both stronger #4 seeds than Washington. I'd put Xavier on that list too, if they weren't in a total freefall right now.

The West is a cake bracket. I'll be shocked if UConn doesn't reach the Final Four, whereas I could see each of the other #1 seeds losing.

dabvu2498
03-16-2009, 12:02 AM
Jay Bilas said that the West was the most difficult bracket. His stock is slipping in my mind. He has said some goofy stuff the last few days. And I agree with Vitale... He is an elitist.

AccordinglyReds
03-16-2009, 01:43 AM
Arizona getting in really makes me think if Kentucky hadn't lost to Georgia, we likely would have gotten the nod.

I'd have to say maybe would have helped being on the bubble, but Arizona actually beat quality teams of Gonzaga, UCLA, Washington, Kansas, Arizona State. UK didn't besides WVU and Tennesse (Florida didn't make the tourney). Arizona didn't get in just because of their name.