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fourrunhomer
01-24-2009, 08:55 PM
John Fay just reported that Dr. Tim said he would be ready for 100% participation from day one of ST. Pretty good news.

Z-Fly
01-24-2009, 09:00 PM
Wow! That seems hard to believe.

Slyder
01-24-2009, 09:23 PM
The real test will come when he resumes day to day baseball activities. Its good to hear that Gonzo will be ready. Makes LF more interesting and not in a good way.

AccordinglyReds
01-24-2009, 09:27 PM
Glad to hear that. A productive and healthy AGon would really help. It's sucked to see him battle with injuries and his son's health in his first two years in Cincinnati.

CRedsLarkin11
01-24-2009, 09:37 PM
I'm really excited to hear this. I really like A Gon. It just seems like I haven't seen him play in forever, hopefully he still has another year left in that body. Unfortunately it wouldn't take much to outperform Hairston/Keppinger especially defensively

RED VAN HOT
01-24-2009, 09:43 PM
That improves our left side defense and adds 15 HRs. It frees up Keppinger for backup and pinch hitting, giving us a stronger bench. If EE has learned to throw accurately and Dickerson gets the majority of starts in LF, there should be a substantial improvement in defense. Someone stop me before I get my hopes up again.

TheNext44
01-24-2009, 09:46 PM
If this is true, even if Gonzo is only back to his 2007 defense, that should be at least 15 runs better than they were last year. It also would be a huge boost to the pitching staff. That black hole on the left side of the infield was killing them last year. It is much easier to pitch when you don't think you have to strike everyone out.

Emin3mShady07
01-24-2009, 10:09 PM
Yeah, and then maybe Kepp could play 3rd base against lefties with EE in LF and dickerson in CF in like a 4 way platoon manuever.

Captain Hook
01-24-2009, 10:25 PM
This story can be found on the Reds mlb web site.

I think that last years team had five spots that killed them.1 catcher 2 short stop 3 right field 4 center field and the 5th spot in the rotation.All were terrible.There is now good reason to believe that all of these positions will be improved in 09 with the Gonzalez news.Left field will be down but over all should be a improved team.I still don't think we have contender but we're getting closer.

CesarGeronimo
01-25-2009, 12:04 AM
This is good news - at least for now. My fear is that if Gonzalez is healthy, Hairston will end up the everyday left fielder because he's a vet. I may well end up disappointed in how it works out, but I'd really like to see what Dickerson can do if given regular playing time. I think he really may be a late bloomer who won't be as good as he was last year, but just might be a legit starter (sure, it'd be better if he was in center where he belongs, but you take what you can get sometimes).

Anyway, the possibility that Gonzalez may be able to play and provide average (or close to it) defense at SS makes spring training and the start of the season all the more interesting.

fitz1
01-25-2009, 07:51 AM
So if Gonzo is really ready, would you prefer Dickerson or Hairston in left?

Farnsie
01-25-2009, 10:58 AM
Dickerson... Hands down!

Slyder
01-25-2009, 11:31 AM
So if Gonzo is really ready, would you prefer Dickerson or Hairston in left?

Dickerson in a heart beat. Lets at least see if he could be a long term contributor. My fear though is as soon as opening day comes Duhhhsty will start with the "I need someone to hit 2nd" and Dickerson will be relegated to the same place as Hanigan after semi successful month... The Bench.

Blood Red Path
01-25-2009, 11:57 AM
Yeah, and then maybe Kepp could play 3rd base against lefties with EE in LF and dickerson in CF in like a 4 way platoon manuever.

Everybody really needs to let this EE playing LF thing go... the team has made no indication that this is under any type of consideration for any reason; moreover, they have continued to assert the exact oposite- that this absolutely won't happen(they even went as far as to imply that a major reason that Wigginton was not an option to be brought in was that they didn't feel he could play adequate LF everyday, without hardly even addressing the alternative of him playing 3B with EE in the OF).

Between the supposed payroll budget being met, paired with Bob C's optomism and the failure to address the LF issues- I have a feeling that management(at every level) is holding out hope that Alonso will hit so well in ST(OPS 1.000 or more for example) that they could try Votto in LF during March with hopes that Yonder forces his way onto the April roster as the everyday 1B.

I'd say the chances of Votto getting a large number of OF starts this year is much higher than EE.

Needless to say, a line-up with Dickerson in center, Votto in left, Alonso at first, and Bruce in right, would absolutely murder righties right now(and just imagine when they all meet their potential).

RED VAN HOT
01-25-2009, 02:59 PM
I apologize if this is the wrong thread to be discussing this, but the good health of Gonzalez, the indications of a Dickerson/Gomes platoon, and the recent signing of Hairston pretty much set the opening day roster.

Infielders: Votto, Phillips, Gonzalez, EE, Keppinger
Outfielders: Bruce, Taveras, Dickerson, Gomes, Hairston
Catchers: Hanigan, Hernandez
SP: Harang, Arroyo, Volquez, Cueto, Owings
RP: Cordero, Bray, Burton, Rhodes, Masset, Lincoln, Ramirez

That leaves one position player spot open. Castillo would be the odds choice because he can catch in an emergency. The versatility of Hairston and Castillo is helpful. I can see everyone getting enough playing time to stay sharp. Pinch hitting from (Gomes or Dickerson), (Hanigan or Hernandez), Keppinger, Hairston, and possibly Owings between starts would be good.

Unfortunately, barring injuries to the above, the spring training invitees must be spectacular to dislodge any of the above. Gomes is probably the most at risk, followed by Dickerson. Veteran players will undoubtedly get the nod unless their spring is several degress below the Mendoza line. I think the biggest losers in this are Hopper, Rosales, Janish, Herrera, Roenicke, Richar, and possibly Bailey.

This means that the Louisville roster is set. The outfield will be so crowded that it may be difficult for deserving AA players like Dorn and Henry to move up. The pitching will be among the best AAA staffs. IMO, many of these players would be getting a shot at the ML in other systems. The Reds system may lack spectacular players, but it is certainly deep.

redsfandan
01-25-2009, 03:29 PM
I apologize if this is the wrong thread to be discussing this, but the good health of Gonzalez, the indications of a Dickerson/Gomes platoon, and the recent signing of Hairston pretty much set the opening day roster.

Infielders: Votto, Phillips, Gonzalez, EE, Keppinger
Outfielders: Bruce, Taveras, Dickerson, Gomes, Hairston
Catchers: Hanigan, Hernandez
SP: Harang, Arroyo, Volquez, Cueto, Owings
RP: Cordero, Bray, Burton, Rhodes, Masset, Lincoln, Ramirez

That leaves one position player spot open. Castillo would be the odds choice because he can catch in an emergency. The versatility of Hairston and Castillo is helpful. I can see everyone getting enough playing time to stay sharp. Pinch hitting from (Gomes or Dickerson), (Hanigan or Hernandez), Keppinger, Hairston, and possibly Owings between starts would be good.

Unfortunately, barring injuries to the above, the spring training invitees must be spectacular to dislodge any of the above. Gomes is probably the most at risk, followed by Dickerson. Veteran players will undoubtedly get the nod unless their spring is several degress below the Mendoza line. I think the biggest losers in this are Hopper, Rosales, Janish, Herrera, Roenicke, Richar, and possibly Bailey.

This means that the Louisville roster is set. The outfield will be so crowded that it may be difficult for deserving AA players like Dorn and Henry to move up. The pitching will be among the best AAA staffs. IMO, many of these players would be getting a shot at the ML in other systems. The Reds system may lack spectacular players, but it is certainly deep.

It's a little early with spring training not even started but that sounds right to me. Still not a playoff team but 82+ wins is possible and just to have a winning record would be an improvement. A winning record in '09 and the playoffs in 2010. That's what I want and that's what I think is possible/realistic.

Kingspoint
01-25-2009, 09:56 PM
Wow! That seems hard to believe.

Agree.

I'll believe it when I see it. I don't care if it's Fay or Kremchick or Dusty or Jockety.

Until he plays 4 or 5 games in a row without needing to be pulled from the game, he's still unhealthy enough to be counted on.

Though, it is good news.

Don't forget how unimpressive he was before the injury, too.

Kingspoint
01-25-2009, 10:00 PM
Makes LF more interesting and not in a good way.

I like what it does to left field. It pushes Hairston and Keppinger into Center and Left and pushes Gomes off of the team. It potentially gives Taveras fewer at-bats as Hairston needs more playing time and could take some games in Center if Dusty wants to leave Dickerson and/or Keppinger in Left.

Kingspoint
01-25-2009, 10:01 PM
Yeah, and then maybe Kepp could play 3rd base against lefties with EE in LF and dickerson in CF in like a 4 way platoon manuever.

That, too.

redsfandan
01-25-2009, 11:53 PM
While a healthy Agon would help alot I really hope people don't get their hopes up about either Kepp or EE seeing time in left.

fugowitribe
01-26-2009, 01:28 PM
I like the idea of Keppinger playing third if EE deciedes to slump again. I think the motivation of having a quality backup breathing down his neck will be a huge contribution to the play of EE. I think this is the year when we will really find out if EE is a good player or a bust. No more "prospect" talk. Either he gets it done and plays, or he doesn't and Keppinger plays.

Kingspoint
01-26-2009, 08:28 PM
I like the idea of Keppinger playing third if EE deciedes to slump again. I think the motivation of having a quality backup breathing down his neck will be a huge contribution to the play of EE. I think this is the year when we will really find out if EE is a good player or a bust. No more "prospect" talk. Either he gets it done and plays, or he doesn't and Keppinger plays.


I agree. The prospect tag will be removed one way or the other. (Unless you're Dusty Baker who thinks' Tavares' 28-years of age is still on the upswing of a Punch-and-Judy hitter.)

thatcoolguy_22
01-27-2009, 10:52 AM
Yeah, and then maybe Kepp could play 3rd base against lefties with EE in LF and dickerson in CF in like a 4 way platoon manuever.

Hahaha Do you think Baker could wrap his toothpick around something like this? By mid season he will have Taveras starting at 3rd, Hernandez in CF, Dickerson at C and, Keppinger in LF. I don't trust that guy. He needs clearly defined roles handed down to him by someone smarter than he is.

Slyder
01-27-2009, 11:23 AM
I like what it does to left field. It pushes Hairston and Keppinger into Center and Left and pushes Gomes off of the team. It potentially gives Taveras fewer at-bats as Hairston needs more playing time and could take some games in Center if Dusty wants to leave Dickerson and/or Keppinger in Left.

And pushes the one unknown (Dickerson) into an even more limited role and Im sure "respect" will be a keyword. God help Tavares and Hairston if Duhhhsty plays them in CF and LF and they dont put up 2007 WT and 2008 Jerry Hairston numbers, if Dickerson puts up even a decent season.

TheNext44
01-28-2009, 12:23 AM
And pushes the one unknown (Dickerson) into an even more limited role and Im sure "respect" will be a keyword. God help Tavares and Hairston if Duhhhsty plays them in CF and LF and they dont put up 2007 WT and 2008 Jerry Hairston numbers, if Dickerson puts up even a decent season.

For what it's worth, in an interview with Fay, Baker did say that Dickerson was the favorite to play LF right now, but he still has to win it.


--On left field: ď(Dickersonís) one of them. If we started right now, it would probably be a platoon situation with him and a right-handed bat Ė whether itís (Jonny) Gomes or Jerry (Hairston). I told Dickerson: Donít let everybody give away your potential job. You got to fight for your job. Itís been a long, tough road to get to the big leagues. Iím not going to give away his job. But Iím not necessarily going to give him a job either.

http://news.cincinnati.com/apps/pbcs.dll/section?category=blog07&plckController=Blog&plckScript=blogScript&plckElementId=blogDest&plckBlogPage=BlogViewPost&plckPostId=Blog%3ae57bcc87-152a-4f72-96fb-cc08b1f396efPost%3ac2234902-6161-4f7d-8224-898505412078&sid=sitelife.cincinnati.com

Slyder
01-28-2009, 12:28 AM
Meanwhile Duhhhsty gives the CF and leadoff spot to a guy coming off 3 years of wretched baseball and 1 year that was "average".

Also didnt he say the same thing last year about CF when asked about Patterson/Freel and claiming Freel "was banged up"? Forgive me if I am mistaken.

TheNext44
01-28-2009, 12:31 AM
Meanwhile Duhhhsty gives the CF and leadoff spot to a guy coming off 3 years of wretched baseball and 1 year that was "average".

Also didnt he say the same thing last year about CF when asked about Patterson/Freel and claiming Freel "was banged up"? Forgive me if I am mistaken.

Like I said, "For what its worth"....

Anyway, I have come to the assumption to never believe what Dusty says, because he says so many things.

Slyder
01-28-2009, 12:50 AM
Like I said, "For what its worth"....

Anyway, I have come to the assumption to never believe what Dusty says, because he says so many things.

Right after he was hired I went to Reds Caravan and just listened to what he had to say. He calmed some real ? in my head... then the season started and he reverted right back to the Duhhhster. After the events that led up to Opening Day and what transpired through mid July I lost all faith in him as a manager. Needless to say with the time since he's not done a thing to show me he's learned at all.