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chettt
02-06-2009, 10:30 AM
XM Radio's baseball channel #175 is broadcasting that Encarnacion has lost his arbitration hearing. I can't find that information on any other site. Has any one else heard anything?

texasdave
02-06-2009, 10:52 AM
This link says that his arbitration case will not be heard for another week and a half.


The Reds are still talking with the agent for third baseman Edwin Encarnacion in efforts to avoid arbitration, general manager Walt Jocketty said on Thursday.

Encarnacion's hearing was scheduled for Feb. 17. He is seeking $3.7 million while the club offered $2.55 million. Assistant GM Bob Miller has been the point-man for the club in negotiations and had talks as recently as Wednesday with Encarnacion's agent.

-- Mark Sheldon

chettt
02-06-2009, 11:56 AM
I thought this sounded strange. I haven't heard of any hearings that are currently going on. I expect this to be settled before going to a hearing.

fadetoblack2880
02-06-2009, 01:49 PM
miller said in his chat yesterday that they were hoping to have some sort of resolution this weekend.

Ghosts of 1990
02-06-2009, 03:48 PM
Insane that a ballplayer with as many holes as Edwin (who realy hasn't proven himself) can be a multi millionaire isn't it?

reds1869
02-06-2009, 04:13 PM
Insane that a ballplayer with as many holes as Edwin (who realy hasn't proven himself) can be a multi millionaire isn't it?

Not really, he is more supremely talented than 99.9% of us. If you have a skill people value, you will make money--and Edwin is abundantly talented. I think most fans forget just how good even the worst major leaguer on the field at any given time really is.

mroby85
02-06-2009, 04:21 PM
Not really, he is more supremely talented than 99.9% of us. If you have a skill people value, you will make money--and Edwin is abundantly talented. I think most fans forget just how good even the worst major leaguer on the field at any given time really is.

He's still being paid based upon what other athletes on that same field do. There are many with less holes than him, that make less money imo.

bounty37h
02-06-2009, 04:38 PM
I wonder if the final holdup in his arbitration is the Reds insisting he start throwing some money back to reemburse the team for all the balls he throws away in the stands each season....I kid, I kid :)

Nasty_Boy
02-06-2009, 04:45 PM
Then there are many with more holes than him (Willy T) that get a multi year deal for well above the market for a player of his caliber.

BearcatShane
02-06-2009, 05:15 PM
Edwin is going to make between 3 and 4 million dollars, for what he does, he's well worth it.

berryluther
02-06-2009, 10:15 PM
He is a steal at 3-4 mil. Despite his defensive gaffes you cant find a 30 hr guy at that price tag.

redsfandan
02-07-2009, 09:05 AM
Encarnacion hasn't hit 30 hrs yet but I'll agree that he probably could hit that many a couple times in his career. I think he still has the potential to be a top 10 3rd baseman but this year will be very important for him. He's 26 now and he already has 4 full seasons under his belt. I don't think the Reds can wait forever to see if he can realize that potential. Most importantly to have any chance to be a Red in the future he HAS to become more consistent defensively in '09. That said, yes, there are other players that are better with less holes and cost less like Longoria for one but Longoria will likely cost alot more in his 5th season than EE. $3-3.3 million seems fair to have one more year to find out if that potential can become reality.

ChatterRed
02-07-2009, 07:49 PM
I still remember the BoSox coming in and EE hitting a game tying homer against Papel. I was at the game getting sunburned in right field. We ended up losing, but still a great moment.

I kept saying to the Boston fans around me that if Papel keeps throwing EE fastballs, it's going out, and it sure did.

cincycat30
02-09-2009, 10:43 AM
What concerns me about Edwin is his lack of ability to catch up to a fastball at times. There are times when he is at the plate and I feel like if the pitcher brings the high heat he literally has no chance of catching up. Edwin has to guess too much, he doesn't have the ability to adjust to pitches very well. That being said, I think Edwin is a guy with a ceiling as high as Mike Schmidt and a basement as low as..well..as low as he is right now which is an average 3rd basemen.

bounty37h
02-09-2009, 01:57 PM
He is a steal at 3-4 mil. Despite his defensive gaffes you cant find a 30 hr guy at that price tag.

We still haven't.

Casey
02-09-2009, 03:31 PM
The Royals signed Mark Teahen for $3,575,000...I would think that would at least be the going rate for EE.

redsfandan
02-11-2009, 11:14 PM
If Teahen got $3.575 million than EE will get his $3.7 million.

JBChance
02-12-2009, 12:36 AM
It does appear that EdE compares favorably w/ Teahen

Teahen '08 .255/.313/.402 to EdE's .251/.340/.455, but career #'s are closer. Teahen dropped off last year.

Apparently, the Royals gave up on 3B and him in '07 and shipped him to the OF; Only had 19 games at 3B last season. Kinda wonder if that's what might be best for EdE too. He just can't seem to get 3B D locked down.

If he did improve upon his D from '07, he would be much more valuble and probably command some more cash.

thatcoolguy_22
02-12-2009, 04:42 AM
It does appear that EdE compares favorably w/ Teahen

Teahen '08 .255/.313/.402 to EdE's .251/.340/.455, but career #'s are closer. Teahen dropped off last year.

Apparently, the Royals gave up on 3B and him in '07 and shipped him to the OF; Only had 19 games at 3B last season. Kinda wonder if that's what might be best for EdE too. He just can't seem to get 3B D locked down.

If he did improve upon his D from '07, he would be much more valuble and probably command some more cash.

If we had Alex Gordon on the cusp of the majors WJ would probably have done the same with EE.

Teahan
2006 .874 OPS
2007 .763 OPS
2008 .714 OPS

EE
2006 .831 OPS
2007 .794 OPS
2008 .807 OPS

How are these 2 players similar? One has a steady downward trend and the other has 2 seasons .800 + and a .794 year. I just don't see it.

RED VAN HOT
02-12-2009, 08:44 AM
If he did improve upon his D from '07, he would be much more valuble and probably command some more cash.

Does anyone know how defense is valued in arbitration? I have been under the impression that the decision is based primarily on offensive numbers.

JBChance
02-12-2009, 09:15 PM
How are these 2 players similar? One has a steady downward trend and the other has 2 seasons .800 + and a .794 year. I just don't see it.

Like I said, EdE compares favorably with Teahen, thus, you might assume, that EdE should be paid as well or higher.


If we had Alex Gordon on the cusp of the majors WJ would probably have done the same with EE.

Alex Gordon - .253/.332/.421 OPS .753
Mark Teahen - .268/.332/.421 OPS .753

Teahen had a down year last year so that's skews him down slightly. However, Gordon, being highly touted and young, certainly has a great upside. Just remains to be seen how that ends up.

Whether it was Gordon or someone else, I don't think that Teahen had the hot corner locked up. Questionable D and so-so offense.