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smoke6
02-09-2009, 12:48 PM
I have to admit that when Juiced came out I thought Jose Canseco was just out for a buck. As more and more comes out Jose was/is right on the money. I'm starting to feel like Canseco (I have always disliked him btw) saved the great game of baseball. Discuss....

Orodle
02-09-2009, 12:54 PM
NO, Canseco did do it for just a buck. Because he pointed out something wrong with the sport hardly means he did anything to save it.

smoke6
02-09-2009, 01:00 PM
NO, Canseco did do it for just a buck. Because he pointed out something wrong with the sport hardly means he did anything to save it.

I agree he did it for the buck, but the out come CAN'T be bad for the game.

Ohioballplayer
02-09-2009, 01:50 PM
The ALMIGHTY DOLLAR, but he has been right on the money though!!

Stephenk29
02-09-2009, 02:33 PM
That's why he wanted to come out with a second book, for the money.

I think its now interesting that he said in his next book he would out A-Rod. Back then I thought he had really lost his marbles, now he appears to be correct on just about everything.

DTCromer
02-09-2009, 02:38 PM
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Newman4
02-09-2009, 03:15 PM
I thought Jose Canseco believed he was the savior of baseball when he was playing. :D

Jerome
02-09-2009, 04:33 PM
Anyone who can rock a mullet on the diamond is a savior in my book.

http://jeromesredscare.blogspot.com

steig
02-09-2009, 06:12 PM
Jose Canseco is a whistle blower. Whistle blowers have an agenda; whether it is money, revenge, or in some rare case morals. But in all cases problems come to light and can be addressed b/c of whistle blowers. So your own view of his agenda will determine how you look at Canseco. Baseball attendance has been very good overall and the owners have been making a lot of money. Canseco didn't effect attendance or profits with his book, so he didn't save baseball. Canseco pulled our heads out of the ground and exposed the true faces of the game and took away our innocence as fans. The dirty side of baseball has been exposed and the fans didn't leave, so baseball didn't need saving. As baseball gets cleaned up the game can only be better from a historical perspective and that is because of Canseco. He didn't save baseball but he certainly helped baseball.

redsfan1966
02-09-2009, 07:31 PM
no

mlh1981
02-09-2009, 07:52 PM
To say he "saved" baseball doesn't make much sense, because despite all this, the game wasn't, and hasn't been in any trouble since the strike. Look at revenues and attendance. People might get all up in arms about this, but at the end of the day, they choose to show their anger and disdain by going to the ballpark and booing/making signs, etc. A dollar made is a dollar made. Doesn't matter if the customer is disgruntled.

The only "trouble" baseball has been in has been from a moral point of view. NOT financial. The moral stuff hasn't hurt the bottom line and driven people away. It's very disturbing, yes, but baseball is as healthy as it's ever been when you examine it from a variety of angles.

With that out of the way, Jose Canseco is many things, most of them bad. However, he of all people would know a thing or 2 about steroids. I wouldn't trust him in regards to 9/10 other things. My trust would go about as far as I could pick up a vending machine and throw it. However, when it comes to steroids, the ultimate juicer himself knows what he's talking about.

Jerome
02-09-2009, 09:45 PM
Jose Canseco is a whistle blower. Whistle blowers have an agenda; whether it is money, revenge, or in some rare case morals. But in all cases problems come to light and can be addressed b/c of whistle blowers. So your own view of his agenda will determine how you look at Canseco. Baseball attendance has been very good overall and the owners have been making a lot of money. Canseco didn't effect attendance or profits with his book, so he didn't save baseball. Canseco pulled our heads out of the ground and exposed the true faces of the game and took away our innocence as fans. The dirty side of baseball has been exposed and the fans didn't leave, so baseball didn't need saving. As baseball gets cleaned up the game can only be better from a historical perspective and that is because of Canseco. He didn't save baseball but he certainly helped baseball.

When we look back on this in fifty years, I don't think Juiced will be a cornerstone, nor even a small beacon of light. I agree that Canseco was a whistleblower, but you have to get your hands dirty and dig through the mud he slings to get to the facts, and even then, it's still highly questionable, as is everything else tied to roids. I don't know anyone who's head was pulled out of the ground by Canseco's words, and I don't know anyone who lost their innocence because of Canseco, if they even lost their innocence to begin with. But, then again, most of my friends are terrible wingmen. Juiced seemed like a strike-while-the-iron-is-hot deal meant to benefit only Canseco. That's what I get from it anyway.

http://jeromesredscare.blogspot.com

Jerome
02-09-2009, 09:47 PM
Fiddlesticks. Does anyone know how to delete a message. I'm new in Redszone. I click on Edit and I can't find the delete button anywhere. I'm scared.

SidneySlicker
02-09-2009, 11:04 PM
Did Canseco save baseball? I'd say no because this would have all come out sooner or later, but because of Jose it was sooner instead of later. If Canseco was really "blackballed" it now seems very hypocritical as it's pretty obvious that most everyone around the game knew what was going on.