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thatcoolguy_22
02-14-2009, 01:31 AM
1B Albert Pujols career OPS+170 (I know I will catch flack for this one)
Best Season
2008-.357/.462/.653 OPS+190


2B Roger Hornsby career OPS+175
Best Season
1924- .424/.507/.696 OPS+222



3B Mike Schmidt career OPS+147
Best Season
1980- .286/.380/.624 OPS+171


SS- Honus Wagner OPS+150
Best Season
1908- .354/.415/.542 OPS+205


LF- Babe Ruth career OPS+207
Best Season
1920- .376/.533/.849 OPS+256


CF-Willie Mays career OPS+156
Best Season
1965- .317/.398/.645 OPS+184


RF- Ted Williams career OPS+191
Best Season
1941- .317/.398/.645 OPS+184


C- Johnny Bench career OPS+126
Best Season
1972- 270/379/541 OPS+166



What do you guys think? I will list my pitching rotation tomorrow.

mroby85
02-14-2009, 01:36 AM
I'd probably go with Barry Bonds in LF, and A-Rod at 3B.

Stephenk29
02-14-2009, 01:49 AM
Lou Gehrig has to take 1rst base. He has some GODLY seasons. You could pick any of four to five to match Pujols best year if not better. Here is a taste.

'31 Gehrig

.341 avg 46 bombs 184 RBIS .446 OBP .662 SLG

OR as I would say

'30 Gehrig

.379 AVG 41 Bombs 174 RBIS .473 OBP .721 SLG

Take a gander at '27 when his OPS+ was 221. His only MVP year of these three.

JBChance
02-14-2009, 02:03 AM
I'd probably go with Barry Bonds in LF, and A-Rod at 3B

On the all asterisk team, maybe.

Seriously though, Bonds over the Babe? Ruth's career OPS - 1.159. WOW.

Plus Bonds, well, you know....

TheNext44
02-14-2009, 02:33 AM
My sister in law in Boston will hate me, but I think you have to go with Aaron over Ted Williams in RF. Hands down, Williams is the best hitter this game ever saw. But Aaron was a much more complete ballplayer. He was a 9 time Gold Glove winner, and stole 240 bases at a 76% rate. That was before players stole a lot of bases (Mays only had 338). Because he played at the same time as Willie Mays, and because he has the HR record, people forget that he was five tool player too.

Thanks for the list! Great topic of discussion! :thumbup:

stock
02-14-2009, 03:25 AM
Pretty good. I would go with Gehrig and A Roid at the corners however.

thatcoolguy_22
02-14-2009, 05:26 AM
My sister in law in Boston will hate me, but I think you have to go with Aaron over Ted Williams in RF. Hands down, Williams is the best hitter this game ever saw. But Aaron was a much more complete ballplayer. He was a 9 time Gold Glove winner, and stole 240 bases at a 76% rate. That was before players stole a lot of bases (Mays only had 338). Because he played at the same time as Willie Mays, and because he has the HR record, people forget that he was five tool player too.

Thanks for the list! Great topic of discussion! :thumbup:

I debated Williams vs Aaron with my co worker for about an hour before I decided on the splendid splinter.

Williams
-Won the Triple Crown Twice and was .002 away from a 3rd time.
-5 prime age seasons lost. He missed his age 24-26 season due to WWII and 33/34 age season due to the Korean conflict.
-Career OPS of 1.116
-521 HR and 1839 RBI

He is considered by many to be the greatest hitter to ever play the game and I just can't give RF to Aaron. 5 tools or not, Ted starts for me :D

Also Aaron for his career had a .929 OPS and a 155 OPS+. He never OPS+ over 200. Aaron's best season he ever played he had a 194 OPS+. Ted Williams averaged 191 for his entire career!




EDIT: I just found this article on Ted Williams (http://baseball.suite101.com/article.cfm/was_ted_williams_the_best_hitter)

Amazing

redsfandan
02-14-2009, 06:20 AM
FWIW, I can't give RF to Aaron or Williams. Ted Williams played 90+% of his games in leftfield. Hank Aaron did play 75% of his games in rightfield. But Babe Ruth played almost half the time in left and half in right. Ruth has to be in the mix and Williams has the edge over Aaron. So I'd have to give the nod to Williams in left and Ruth in right

reds1869
02-14-2009, 09:53 AM
Great list, though I personally have to inserts one member of the BRM and remove another. Joe Morgan gets the nod at second base from me--his fielding was vastly superior to Raja's and Hornsby himself once said fielding wasn't "his dish." I would have to take Bench out and put Mickey Cochrane behind the plate.

DTCromer
02-14-2009, 10:32 AM
Lou Gehrig has to take 1rst base. He has some GODLY seasons. You could pick any of four to five to match Pujols best year if not better. Here is a taste.

'31 Gehrig

.341 avg 46 bombs 184 RBIS .446 OBP .662 SLG

OR as I would say

'30 Gehrig

.379 AVG 41 Bombs 174 RBIS .473 OBP .721 SLG

Take a gander at '27 when his OPS+ was 221. His only MVP year of these three.

Who has been the best hitter to protect Pujols?

mroby85
02-14-2009, 12:57 PM
On the all asterisk team, maybe.

Seriously though, Bonds over the Babe? Ruth's career OPS - 1.159. WOW.

Plus Bonds, well, you know....

Barry Bonds-

Single Season Home Run Leader 73
All Time Home Run Leader 762
7 Time MVP
13 Time All Star
8 Time Gold Glove Winner
only member in the 500/500 club
2 Time NL Batting Champion
All Time major league BB's Leader
12 Silver Sluggers
Single Season OBP leader (609)

Babe Ruth
2 Time All Star
1 Time MVP
1 Time Batting Champion

Is this enough to wipe out OPS, or do I need a longer list?
Before the Bonds steroid argument comes up, lets remember babe ruth wasn't a saint, he just did things that weren't "performance enhancing" does that really make him any better?

JoshFogg
02-14-2009, 01:14 PM
I put Manny on that list. His season of .333 44 Homers, 165 RBI, 131 Runs might be one of the greatest seasons offensively of all time.

Stephenk29
02-14-2009, 04:34 PM
Who has been the best hitter to protect Pujols?

Gehrig always hit 4th so wasn't Lou protecting the Babe?

TheNext44
02-14-2009, 04:52 PM
Gehrig always hit 4th so wasn't Lou protecting the Babe?

Exactly, which is why his RBI totals are amazing. He hit after Ruth had cleared the bases a lot of the time.

JBChance
02-14-2009, 05:52 PM
Barry Bonds-

Single Season Home Run Leader 73
All Time Home Run Leader 762
7 Time MVP
13 Time All Star
8 Time Gold Glove Winner
only member in the 500/500 club
2 Time NL Batting Champion
All Time major league BB's Leader
12 Silver Sluggers
Single Season OBP leader (609)

Babe Ruth
2 Time All Star
1 Time MVP
1 Time Batting Champion

Is this enough to wipe out OPS, or do I need a longer list?
Before the Bonds steroid argument comes up, lets remember babe ruth wasn't a saint, he just did things that weren't "performance enhancing" does that really make him any better?


Check out this link in Wikipedia:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Babe_Ruth

An excerpt:


Ruth is one of the greatest sports heroes of American culture[1] and has been named the greatest baseball player in history in various surveys and rankings,[2] and his home run hitting prowess and charismatic personality made him a larger than life figure in the "Roaring Twenties".[3] He was the first player to hit 60 home runs in one season (1927), a record which stood for 34 years until broken by Roger Maris in 1961. Ruth's lifetime total of 714 home runs at his retirement in 1935 was a record for 39 years, until broken by Hank Aaron in 1974. Unlike many power hitters, Ruth also hit for average: his .342 lifetime batting is tenth highest in baseball history, and in one season (1923) he hit .393, a Yankee record. His .690 career slugging percentage and 1.164 career on-base plus slugging (OPS) remain the major league records.[3]

Ruth dominated in the era in which he played. He led the league in home runs during a season twelve times, slugging percentage thirteen times, OPS thirteen times, runs scored eight times, and runs batted in (RBI) six times. Each of those totals represents a modern record (and also an all-time record, except for RBIs).[4] At the time of his retirement, his 714 home runs were not only the record, but that total was 336 more than the next player, Lou Gehrig.[5] He also finished with the most career walks (2062)[6], most career extra base hits (1356)[7], and he is still the only player to have a season with at least 200 hits and 150 walks[8]. In 1936, Ruth became one of the first five players elected to the Baseball Hall of Fame. In 1969, he was named baseball's Greatest Player Ever in a ballot commemorating the 100th anniversary of professional baseball. In 1998, The Sporting News ranked Ruth Number 1 on the list of "Baseball's 100 Greatest Players." In 1999, baseball fans named Ruth to the Major League Baseball All-Century Team.[3]

Ruth was and is a baseball legend. You can argue about awards and the like (Silver Slugger and Gold Glove didn't even exist then), but it was a completly different era and awards were different. Do a search on MVP to see what I mean. From 1922 to 1929, previous winners were ineligible. That means Ruth couldn't win the award for some of his best years; like 1927 - one of the greatest offensive season of all time.

Chasing skirt and boozing does not equal cheating. Taking a foreign substance to give you an advantage, that is cheating to me and lots of others. Especially, when called on it, you continue to deny it and won't own up to what you did.

I'm not saying that Bonds wasn't a great player. I wish that his accomplishments weren't tainted, but they are.

I think that most would include Ruth in a list like this. I certainly would.

Stephenk29
02-14-2009, 07:49 PM
One can only wonder what Bonds career numbers would look like if he hadn't taken roids after '02(?). They still would have been extremely good, no doubt hall of famer type.

ChatterRed
02-14-2009, 08:16 PM
I agree with the thread starter's list except I would put Gehrig at 1B.

I think someone should do a list starting from 1960-2008.

1B Pujols
2B Morgan
SS
3B Schmidt
LF
CF Mays
RF
C Bench

NarrowStairs
02-14-2009, 08:44 PM
SS- Keppinger
3B- Keppinger
2B- Keppinger
LF- Keppinger

redsfandan
02-14-2009, 08:54 PM
I agree with the thread starter's list except I would put Gehrig at 1B.

I think someone should do a list starting from 1960-2008.

1B Pujols
2B Morgan
SS
3B Schmidt
LF
CF Mays
RF
C Bench
Best players from 1960-2008 per position (positional players for now)

1B Pujols
2B Morgan
SS ARod
3B Schmidt
LF Bonds
CF Mays
RF Aaron
C Bench

If you don't want the players influenced by steroids you can put Larkin at ss and Rickey Henderson in left.

ChatterRed
02-14-2009, 08:56 PM
Might have to put Ozzie at SS just for his defense.

Stephenk29
02-14-2009, 08:56 PM
90s +

1B Pujols
2B Alomar
SS Ripken
3B AROD
LF Henderson
CF Griffey
RF Juan Gonzalez
C Rodriquez

Stephenk29
02-14-2009, 08:58 PM
Might have to put Ozzie at SS just for his defense.

Unless you want some offense

redsfandan
02-14-2009, 09:01 PM
90s +

1B Pujols
2B Alomar
SS Ripken
3B AROD
LF Henderson
CF Griffey
RF Juan Gonzalez
C Rodriquez
Ok now that is crazy. Oh wait...

SS- Keppinger
3B- Keppinger
2B- Keppinger
LF- Keppinger

NarrowStairs
02-14-2009, 09:13 PM
90s +

1B Pujols
2B Alomar
SS Ripken
3B AROD
LF Henderson
CF Griffey
RF Juan Gonzalez
C Rodriquez

Sorry, you can't include Arod and not include Bonds.

Bonds is the best player of all time if the whole steroids issue is not considered.

Stephenk29
02-15-2009, 01:38 AM
How is Juan Gonzalez crazy?

He averaged over his career 42 hr and 135 rbis

redsfandan
02-15-2009, 06:06 AM
How is Juan Gonzalez crazy?

He averaged over his career 42 hr and 135 rbis

My apologies. We were talking about the best from '60 on and I missed that you meant from '90 on for your list so that's why I thought it was crazy to throw out Gonzalez.

I like your other picks but Gonzalez still sticks out to me because, even in the era of "90 +", I still wouldn't take Gonzalez in RF. It's just my peference but if I have to give up a few homers to have a better all-around player I'll do it. So I'd rather have Larry Walker or Vlad Guerrero. Both were/are better all-around players with a higher ops and ops+ and at their peaks both players could do it all and do it all very well. They were the best at their position in the game. You can't say that about Gonzalez. At least I can't.

JoshFogg
02-15-2009, 12:36 PM
juan Gonzalez and Jr on the all time time list? wow, just incredible. One player, Jean, was a member of the most steroids rampant teams in baseball and had a few good seasons in the 90's. And the other, jr, has not been good in about a decade. Nice picks.

Stephenk29
02-15-2009, 04:15 PM
juan Gonzalez and Jr on the all time time list? wow, just incredible. One player, Jean, was a member of the most steroids rampant teams in baseball and had a few good seasons in the 90's. And the other, jr, has not been good in about a decade. Nice picks.

Mr. Fogg loves to jump in without reading entire posts. I threw out there this was the team of the 90s. We all know you hate Griffey too for whatever reason. We get it, move on.

JoshFogg
02-15-2009, 04:30 PM
My 90's + team

1B Frank Thomas
2B Jeff Kent
SS Derek Jeter
3B Chipper JOnes
OF Henderson
OF Manny
OF Griffey
C Irod

Stephenk29
02-15-2009, 09:19 PM
My 90's + team

1B Frank Thomas
2B Jeff Kent
SS Derek Jeter
3B Chipper JOnes
OF Henderson
OF Manny
OF Griffey
C Irod

I forgot about Kent. Hall of Fame list right there. Are the ESPN goofs still debating Thomas?

UC_Ken
02-15-2009, 09:27 PM
My 90's + team

1B Frank Thomas
2B Jeff Kent
SS Derek Jeter
3B Chipper JOnes
OF Henderson
OF Manny
OF Griffey
C Irod

By leaving off Bonds and ARod I assume you're leaving off suspected steroid users. So if ARod isn't your SS I'd put Larkin at SS. While he wasn't as consistently healty as Jeter he was a far superior defensive player.

JoshFogg
02-15-2009, 10:09 PM
ya, anyone with a Roids buzz is off my squad.

JoshFogg
02-15-2009, 10:34 PM
you may laugh as me, but I might wat to replace Ricky H with Ichiro on the 90+ list. Henderson was not THAT amaing past 1993 ( I think of him as an 80's guy more) IN his place, I would put Ichiro. Laugh if you want.

EV4Prez
02-15-2009, 10:42 PM
Griffey a joke on an all time list.. someone must not know what baseball is.. he might have faded now.. but only a handful of players.. have been such a threat at the plate.. and been great in the field..

players with more than 500 homers.. and gold gloves..(yes a little skewed since GG wasnt always around but still..)

Bonds 750+ homers.. 9 GG (unfortunately would have been at about 550 hr's or so without the roids.. soo his numbers are jacked due to the juice)
Aaron 750+ Homers.. 3 GG
Ruth.. 714 homers.. 0 gold gloves.. wouldn't have won any even if they existed..
Mays 650+ Homers.. 12 GG
Griffey 600+ Homers.. 10 GG
Sosa 600+ Homers.. 0 GG
Robinson 550+ Homers.. 1 GG
McGwire 550+ Homers.. 1 GG
Killebrew 550+.. 0 GG
Palmiero 550+.. 0 GG
Jackson 550+.. 0 GG
A-Rod 550+.. 2 GG

The list goes on.. by no means is Griffey the BEST player EVER.. but to laugh at him being on a best team ever.. when in their prime.. is purely funny..

He not only was one of the top 10 or 15 fielders of all time.. he also was a great hitter.. please don't knock his skills as a career because you think he prolonged his playing career a few years...

I will say that Bonds had a better eye at the plate.. but without the roids.. Grif was a better power hitter.. and fielding wise.. Griff might have been SLIGHTLY slower while in their prime.. but there isn't a center fielder i have seen in the last 30 years that got a better read off the bat.. so he makes up for that with his read of the bat and a better arm than bonds..

there is no doubt that numbers wise Bonds is if not the greatest one of the top 3 players of all time.. but that's if you include steroids..

i would also agree with fogg bout ichiro on the 90-present list..

JoshFogg
02-15-2009, 11:37 PM
1B Frank Thomas/ Albert Pujols
2B Jeff Kent / Robbie Alomar
SS Derek Jeter/Barry Larkin/ Ripken
3B Chipper JOnes
OF Ichiro Suzuki
OF Manny Ramirez
OF Griffey Jr
C Irod/ Piazza

All Steroid free (at least on this day)

Stephenk29
02-15-2009, 11:45 PM
I don't think Ichiro is laughable. The guy has had some insane hit totals. One of the best leadoffs ever while in his prime. I forgot about Piazza too, but I've never been a fan. His defensive crappyness has always bugged me.

Slyder
02-15-2009, 11:52 PM
Barry Bonds-

Single Season Home Run Leader 73
All Time Home Run Leader 762
7 Time MVP
13 Time All Star
8 Time Gold Glove Winner
only member in the 500/500 club
2 Time NL Batting Champion
All Time major league BB's Leader
12 Silver Sluggers
Single Season OBP leader (609)

Babe Ruth
2 Time All Star
1 Time MVP
1 Time Batting Champion

Is this enough to wipe out OPS, or do I need a longer list?
Before the Bonds steroid argument comes up, lets remember babe ruth wasn't a saint, he just did things that weren't "performance enhancing" does that really make him any better?

To compare the two is an insult to Ruth. Some of his other numbers....
Career Pitching Stats:
94-46 W-L
2.28 ERA
107 CGs
17 Shutouts

Imagine what Ruth could have done if he had half the advantages Bonds did with the suit of armor, conditioning programs, among others. Imagine what Walter Johnson and pitchers of the 20s woudl have thought of Bond's freaking piece of armor on his arm.

Ruth put baseball on the NATIONAL map. Ruth didnt have the dozen or so awards they give away every year so I dont consider that some great acheivement to add to Bonds. For the era and for history of Baseball Bonds maybe known for 73 and 762 but Ruth will always be remembered as the man who built the Yanks and the man who made baseball the national past time.

mroby85
02-16-2009, 12:48 AM
To compare the two is an insult to Ruth. Some of his other numbers....
Career Pitching Stats:
94-46 W-L
2.28 ERA
107 CGs
17 Shutouts

Imagine what Ruth could have done if he had half the advantages Bonds did with the suit of armor, conditioning programs, among others. Imagine what Walter Johnson and pitchers of the 20s woudl have thought of Bond's freaking piece of armor on his arm.

Ruth put baseball on the NATIONAL map. Ruth didnt have the dozen or so awards they give away every year so I dont consider that some great acheivement to add to Bonds. For the era and for history of Baseball Bonds maybe known for 73 and 762 but Ruth will always be remembered as the man who built the Yanks and the man who made baseball the national past time.


This was a position by position argument, not who is the best overall player. so the position is LF.
It's unbelievable to me that anyone would consider being compared to Bonds as a player an insult, that just a ridiculous comment.
Doesn't the era advantages even out, since pitchers at the time of Babe Ruth didn't have conditioning regimens either?

thatcoolguy_22
02-16-2009, 06:03 AM
This was a position by position argument, not who is the best overall player. so the position is LF.
It's unbelievable to me that anyone would consider being compared to Bonds as a player an insult, that just a ridiculous comment.
Doesn't the era advantages even out, since pitchers at the time of Babe Ruth didn't have conditioning regimens either?

The beauty of OPS+ is it values the player based on his peers. Average is set at 100. For comparisons sake Barry Bonds in 2001 had an OPS+259. Thats how much better he was than everyone else in baseball. He gave over 2.5 average players results in one season. However Ruth had 11 season over 200 and a 256 year as well. Both players were great. I still side with Ruth.

Ruth OPS+ 207 career
Bonds OPS+ 182 career

redsfandan
02-16-2009, 06:48 AM
Hank Aaron: career ops+ of 155 and no seasons with an ops+ over 200.
Babe Ruth: career ops+ of 207 and 11 seasons with an ops+ over 200
Barry Bonds: career ops+ of 182 and 6 seasons with an ops+ over 200
Ted Williams: career ops+ of 191 and 9 seasons with an ops+ over 200 despite missing 4+ seasons in his prime due to military service.

Aaron played right. Bonds and Williams played left. Ruth played both right and left about the same amount of time.

Imo, Ruth trumps Aaron in right and Williams trumps Bonds in left.

flash
02-16-2009, 10:01 AM
lf Williams
CF Mays
RF Aaron
3b Matthews
SS Wagner
2b Hornsby
1b Gehrig
C Bench

I'm sorry, but Williams, Mays and Aaron were just better players than Ruth. Sure you could say that Ruth had so many more HR's, but Cobb had nearly 800 more hits than anyone else when he retired. Williams Mays and Aaron were more rounded players and could beat you in more ways.

3b I give to Matthews rather than Schmidt. I know Schmidt edges him out in almost every catagory it is extremely close and I prefer Matthews.

HUHUH
02-17-2009, 07:20 PM
George Brett over Mike Schmidt.

NarrowStairs
02-17-2009, 09:20 PM
Sorry, but Jr. was better than Mays.

reds1869
02-17-2009, 09:29 PM
you may laugh as me, but I might wat to replace Ricky H with Ichiro on the 90+ list. Henderson was not THAT amaing past 1993 ( I think of him as an 80's guy more) IN his place, I would put Ichiro. Laugh if you want.

I agree. I'm a bit biased as Ichiro is my favorite player, but I think he would have approached Rose's record had he played in the USA his whole career. His combined NPB/MLB hit total may just pass Pete (no way his MLB total will), which is no small feat!

DTCromer
02-17-2009, 09:55 PM
Gehrig always hit 4th so wasn't Lou protecting the Babe?

That's not my question.

Stephenk29
02-18-2009, 07:22 PM
Who has been the best hitter to protect Pujols?

Edmonds, maybe Rolen.

Edmonds had some pretty good years there. I don't think Pujols was doing it all himself exactly.

TheNext44
02-19-2009, 02:04 AM
lf Williams
CF Mays
RF Aaron
3b Matthews
SS Wagner
2b Hornsby
1b Gehrig
C Bench

I'm sorry, but Williams, Mays and Aaron were just better players than Ruth. Sure you could say that Ruth had so many more HR's, but Cobb had nearly 800 more hits than anyone else when he retired. Williams Mays and Aaron were more rounded players and could beat you in more ways.

3b I give to Matthews rather than Schmidt. I know Schmidt edges him out in almost every catagory it is extremely close and I prefer Matthews.

Babe Ruth was the greatest baseball player who ever played the game, but that is because he was a dominant pitcher and one of the best hitters ever. He also changed the way the game was played.

That said, Aaron was a better Rightfielder overall, and that is what we are debating.

flash
02-19-2009, 09:53 AM
Babe Ruth was the greatest baseball player who ever played the game, but that is because he was a dominant pitcher and one of the best hitters ever. He also changed the way the game was played.

That said, Aaron was a better Rightfielder overall, and that is what we are debating.

I thought the debate was about position players, not pitchers. Also remember that Williams batted .400 one season, Aaron stole twice as many bases.

Also what pitchers did truly great pitchers did Ruth ever face besides Johnson in his fading years. True there was Lefty Grove of the 29 A's who probably were the greatest team ever assembled. But who else.

Aaron had to deal with Koufax, Marachail, Drysdale, Gibson, Seaver, Carlton, and Perry. (He didn't have to face Spahn while Wliie didn't have to deal with Perry or Marachail), of course while Williams had to face the Cleavland Indians staff which was probably was the best ever assembled.

redsfandan
03-20-2009, 11:26 PM
Since there appears to be a little debate over in the The Old Red Guard about whether Pujols is the best 1st baseman of all time I just wanted to see if anyone wanted to revisit this thread (with kudos to thatcoolguy_22 for starting it). Fwiw, I'd still take Gehrig at 1st but I doubt I'd be complaining that much if I had Pujols instead.

When I looked back through this thread I was surprised by how many people wanted to leave Babe Ruth off. Granted Aaron was great too but I just can't make out an all-time lineup without the Babe on it. I'd still stick with an outfield of LF: Ted Williams, CF Willie Mays, RF: Babe Ruth.

Kingspoint
03-21-2009, 12:43 AM
1B Lou Gehrig
2B Rogers Hornsby
3B Mike Schmidt
SS Ernie Banks
C Johnny Bench
LF Ty Cobb
CF Willie Mays
RF Babe Ruth

redsfandan
03-21-2009, 01:32 AM
1B Lou Gehrig
2B Rogers Hornsby
3B Mike Schmidt
SS Ernie Banks
C Johnny Bench
LF Ty Cobb
CF Willie Mays
RF Babe Ruth
Ty Cobb: career OPS+ of 167 including 3 seasons with an OPS+ of 200 or better.
Ted Williams: career OPS+ of 191 including 9 seasons with an OPS+ of 200 or better
despite missing 4+ seasons in his prime due to military service.

Imo, The Splendid Splinter beats the Georgia Peach.

LexingtonLegend
03-25-2009, 02:15 PM
I'd throw out the numbers and put Pete Rose on this list. Take one of the 5 positions that he made an all-star team at and put him there. Probably not a popular opinion, and maybe not really logical, but it's my opinion.